Topic: Budget Monitors (Read 909 times)

Calis · « **on:** June 22, 2013, 02:03:12 PM »

Corsair_SG and I designed these little beauties for those factions that can not build complicated compact KF drives, but had ample jumpships assets, it only needs one docking collar on a jumpship. The idea was to take a standard 100,000 monitor hull and design three distinct variants off of it.

Battle variant - a heavy hitting pocket style warship
Carrier Variant - a aerospace regiment carrying terror
Battle Carrier Variant - a combination of the other two

AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
VALIDATED

Class/Model/Name: Budget Monitor Battle
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3067
Vessel Type: Monitor (JumpShip Transportable)
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Rules Set: AeroTech2

Mass: 100,000 tons
Length: 559 meters
Power Plant: Standard
Safe Thrust: 6
Maximum Thrust: 9
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
24 NL55
64 ER PPC
32 Small Pulse Laser
40 Heavy Gauss Rifle
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Class/Model/Name: Budget Monitor
Mass: 100,000 tons

Equipment: Mass
Power Plant, Drive & Control: 36,000.00
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 6
Maximum Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity: 180 18,000.00
Total Heat Sinks: 3,144 Single 2,831.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 5,978.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters: 250.00
Fire Control Computers: .00
Food & Water: (163 days supply) 271.50
Armor Type: Standard (396 total armor pts) 359.50
Capital Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Fore: 73
Fore-Left/Right: 66/66
Aft-Left/Right: 66/66
Aft: 59

Cargo:
Bay 1: Fighters (18) with 6 doors 2,700.00
Small Craft (6) with 2 doors 1,200.00
Battle Armor Points/Squads (24) 240.00
Bay 2: Cargo (1) with 2 doors 1,100.00

DropShip Capacity: 1 Docking Hardpoints 1,000.00
Grav Decks #1 - 2: (60-meter diameter) 100.00
Escape Pods: 58 (7 tons each) 406.00

Crew and Passengers:
21 Officers (20 minimum) 210.00
45 Crew (44 minimum) 315.00
47 Gunners (47 minimum) 329.00
10 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals 70.00
210 Bay Personnel .00
Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
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3 NL55 Nose 17 17 17 17 255 3,300.00
4 ER PPC Nose 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
4 Small Pulse Laser Nose 1(12) -- -- -- 8 4.00
5 Heavy Gauss Rifle(520 rouNose 13(125)10(100) 5(50) -- 10 220.00
4 ER PPC Nose 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
3 NL55 FL/R 17 17 17 17 510 6,600.00
4 ER PPC FL/R 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
4 Small Pulse Laser FL/R 1(12) -- -- -- 16 8.00
5 Heavy Gauss Rifle(520 rouFL/R 13(125)10(100) 5(50) -- 20 440.00
4 ER PPC FL/R 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
3 NL55 L/RBS 17 17 17 17 510 6,600.00
4 ER PPC L/RBS 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
4 Small Pulse Laser L/RBS 1(12) -- -- -- 16 8.00
5 Heavy Gauss Rifle(520 rouL/RBS 13(125)10(100) 5(50) -- 20 440.00
4 ER PPC L/RBS 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
3 NL55 AL/R 17 17 17 17 510 6,600.00
4 ER PPC AL/R 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
4 Small Pulse Laser AL/R 1(12) -- -- -- 16 8.00
5 Heavy Gauss Rifle(520 rouAL/R 13(125)10(100) 5(50) -- 20 440.00
4 ER PPC AL/R 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
3 NL55 Aft 17 17 17 17 255 3,300.00
4 ER PPC Aft 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
4 Small Pulse Laser Aft 1(12) -- -- -- 8 4.00
5 Heavy Gauss Rifle(520 rouAft 13(125)10(100) 5(50) -- 10 220.00
4 ER PPC Aft 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
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TOTALS: Heat: 3,144 100,000.00
Tons Left: .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 345,642,880 C-Bills
Battle Value: 90,795
Cost per BV: 3,806.85
Weapon Value: 42,276 (Ratio = .47)
Damage Factors: SRV = 2,809; MRV = 2,250; LRV = 1,242; ERV = 382
Maintenance: Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 326,111
(149,621 Structure, 88,650 Life Support, 87,840 Weapons)
Support Points (SP) = 247,725 (76% of MPV)
BattleForce2: Not applicable

AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
VALIDATED

Class/Model/Name: Budget Monitor Carrier
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3067
Vessel Type: Monitor (JumpShip Transportable)
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Rules Set: AeroTech2

Mass: 100,000 tons
Length: 559 meters
Power Plant: Standard
Safe Thrust: 6
Maximum Thrust: 9
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
8 NL55
64 ER PPC
32 Small Pulse Laser
40 Heavy Gauss Rifle
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Class/Model/Name: Budget Monitor Carrier
Mass: 100,000 tons

Equipment: Mass
Power Plant, Drive & Control: 36,000.00
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 6
Maximum Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity: 180 18,000.00
Total Heat Sinks: 3,144 Single 2,831.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 9,180.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters: 250.00
Fire Control Computers: .00
Food & Water: (384 days supply) 983.50
Armor Type: Standard (396 total armor pts) 359.50
Capital Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Fore: 73
Fore-Left/Right: 66/66
Aft-Left/Right: 66/66
Aft: 59

Cargo:
Bay 1: Fighters (108) with 18 doors 16,200.00
Small Craft (6) with 2 doors 1,200.00
Battle Armor Points/Squads (24) 240.00
Bay 2: Cargo (1) with 2 doors 1,100.00

DropShip Capacity: 1 Docking Hardpoints 1,000.00
Grav Decks #1 - 2: (60-meter diameter) 100.00
Life Boats: 28 (7 tons each) 196.00
Escape Pods: 58 (7 tons each) 406.00

Crew and Passengers:
20 Officers (20 minimum) 200.00
45 Crew (45 minimum) 315.00
47 Gunners (31 minimum) 329.00
10 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals 70.00
390 Bay Personnel .00
Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
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1 NL55 Nose 6 6 6 6 85 1,100.00
4 ER PPC Nose 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
4 Small Pulse Laser Nose 1(12) -- -- -- 8 4.00
5 Heavy Gauss Rifle(520 rouNose 13(125)10(100) 5(50) -- 10 220.00
4 ER PPC Nose 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
1 NL55 FL/R 6 6 6 6 170 2,200.00
4 ER PPC FL/R 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
4 Small Pulse Laser FL/R 1(12) -- -- -- 16 8.00
5 Heavy Gauss Rifle(520 rouFL/R 13(125)10(100) 5(50) -- 20 440.00
4 ER PPC FL/R 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
1 NL55 L/RBS 6 6 6 6 170 2,200.00
4 ER PPC L/RBS 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
4 Small Pulse Laser L/RBS 1(12) -- -- -- 16 8.00
5 Heavy Gauss Rifle(520 rouL/RBS 13(125)10(100) 5(50) -- 20 440.00
4 ER PPC L/RBS 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
1 NL55 AL/R 6 6 6 6 170 2,200.00
4 ER PPC AL/R 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
4 Small Pulse Laser AL/R 1(12) -- -- -- 16 8.00
5 Heavy Gauss Rifle(520 rouAL/R 13(125)10(100) 5(50) -- 20 440.00
4 ER PPC AL/R 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
1 NL55 Aft 6 6 6 6 85 1,100.00
4 ER PPC Aft 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
4 Small Pulse Laser Aft 1(12) -- -- -- 8 4.00
5 Heavy Gauss Rifle(520 rouAft 13(125)10(100) 5(50) -- 10 220.00
4 ER PPC Aft 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
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TOTALS: Heat: 1,784 100,000.00
Tons Left: .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 312,618,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 73,483
Cost per BV: 4,254.29
Weapon Value: 36,949 (Ratio = .50)
Damage Factors: SRV = 2,003; MRV = 1,443; LRV = 607; ERV = 127
Maintenance: Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 323,521
(163,121 Structure, 97,600 Life Support, 62,800 Weapons)
Support Points (SP) = 244,800 (76% of MPV)
BattleForce2: Not applicable

AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
VALIDATED

Class/Model/Name: Budget Monitor Battle Carrier
Tech: Inner Sphere / 3067
Vessel Type: Monitor (JumpShip Transportable)
Rules: Level 3, Standard design
Rules Set: AeroTech2

Mass: 100,000 tons
Length: 559 meters
Power Plant: Standard
Safe Thrust: 6
Maximum Thrust: 9
Armor Type: Standard
Armament:
16 NL55
64 ER PPC
32 Small Pulse Laser
40 Heavy Gauss Rifle
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Class/Model/Name: Budget Battle Carrier Monitor
Mass: 100,000 tons

Equipment: Mass
Power Plant, Drive & Control: 36,000.00
Thrust: Safe Thrust: 6
Maximum Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity: 180 18,000.00
Total Heat Sinks: 3,144 Single 2,831.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps: 9,378.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters: 250.00
Fire Control Computers: .00
Food & Water: (134 days supply) 271.50
Armor Type: Standard (396 total armor pts) 359.50
Capital Scale Armor Pts
Location: L / R
Fore: 73
Fore-Left/Right: 66/66
Aft-Left/Right: 66/66
Aft: 59

Cargo:
Bay 1: Fighters (54) with 6 doors 8,100.00
Small Craft (6) with 2 doors 1,200.00
Battle Armor Points/Squads (24) 240.00
Bay 2: Cargo (1) with 2 doors 1,100.00

DropShip Capacity: 1 Docking Hardpoints 1,000.00
Grav Decks #1 - 2: (60-meter diameter) 100.00
Escape Pods: 58 (7 tons each) 406.00

Crew and Passengers:
21 Officers (20 minimum) 210.00
45 Crew (44 minimum) 315.00
47 Gunners (39 minimum) 329.00
10 Marine Battle Armor Troopers/Elementals 70.00
282 Bay Personnel .00
Weapons and Equipment Loc SRV MRV LRV ERV Heat Mass
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2 NL55 Nose 11 11 11 11 170 2,200.00
4 ER PPC Nose 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
4 Small Pulse Laser Nose 1(12) -- -- -- 8 4.00
5 Heavy Gauss Rifle(520 rouNose 13(125)10(100) 5(50) -- 10 220.00
4 ER PPC Nose 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
2 NL55 FL/R 11 11 11 11 340 4,400.00
4 ER PPC FL/R 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
4 Small Pulse Laser FL/R 1(12) -- -- -- 16 8.00
5 Heavy Gauss Rifle(520 rouFL/R 13(125)10(100) 5(50) -- 20 440.00
4 ER PPC FL/R 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
2 NL55 L/RBS 11 11 11 11 340 4,400.00
4 ER PPC L/RBS 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
4 Small Pulse Laser L/RBS 1(12) -- -- -- 16 8.00
5 Heavy Gauss Rifle(520 rouL/RBS 13(125)10(100) 5(50) -- 20 440.00
4 ER PPC L/RBS 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
2 NL55 AL/R 11 11 11 11 340 4,400.00
4 ER PPC AL/R 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
4 Small Pulse Laser AL/R 1(12) -- -- -- 16 8.00
5 Heavy Gauss Rifle(520 rouAL/R 13(125)10(100) 5(50) -- 20 440.00
4 ER PPC AL/R 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 120 56.00
2 NL55 Aft 11 11 11 11 170 2,200.00
4 ER PPC Aft 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
4 Small Pulse Laser Aft 1(12) -- -- -- 8 4.00
5 Heavy Gauss Rifle(520 rouAft 13(125)10(100) 5(50) -- 10 220.00
4 ER PPC Aft 4(40) 4(40) 4(40) -- 60 28.00
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TOTALS: Heat: 2,464 100,000.00
Tons Left: .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost: 329,163,152 C-Bills
Battle Value: 83,704
Cost per BV: 3,932.47
Weapon Value: 39,721 (Ratio = .47)
Damage Factors: SRV = 2,406; MRV = 1,847; LRV = 924; ERV = 255
Maintenance: Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 322,591
(155,021 Structure, 92,250 Life Support, 75,320 Weapons)
Support Points (SP) = 247,725 (77% of MPV)
BattleForce2: Not applicable

Dragon Cat · « **Reply #1 on:** June 22, 2013, 02:46:57 PM »

shame its a monitor I like the firepower.

If it was sub-capitals instead of capitals you could make them DropShips and more... legal

Red Pins · « **Reply #2 on:** June 22, 2013, 03:32:49 PM »

They're too fast; Monitors are kinda clumsy, IIRC.

JPArbiter · « **Reply #3 on:** June 24, 2013, 01:30:11 PM »

idea for house rule on construction. Monitor SI tonnage must make up 55% of the total mass of the vessel making up for the fact that the KF core also acts as the "Spine" of the vessel

Corsair_SG · « **Reply #4 on:** July 01, 2013, 01:51:19 PM »

considering they are more in line with the larger dropships of the 80K and 100K we did not feel the need for such heavy structural modifications as the IS is the true strength of a ship

JPArbiter · « **Reply #5 on:** July 02, 2013, 09:39:23 AM »

yes but construction rules dictate that Capital grade weapons must be mounted on a vessel with a KF core.

and Per XTRO Boondoggles the whole reason Monitors never worked was that the KF Core also functioned conveniently as the spine of the vessel, so any attempts to make Monitors had to be equipped with heavy structural reinforcement to even be able to tolerate high G Manuvers.

ATN082268 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 02, 2013, 03:28:11 PM »

Quote from: JPArbiter on July 02, 2013, 09:39:23 AM

yes but construction rules dictate that Capital grade weapons must be mounted on a vessel with a KF core.

and Per XTRO Boondoggles the whole reason Monitors never worked was that the KF Core also functioned conveniently as the spine of the vessel, so any attempts to make Monitors had to be equipped with heavy structural reinforcement to even be able to tolerate high G Manuvers.

I think the current restrictions on Capital Weapons to be mounted on a KF equipped unit was merely to keep those weapons on Warships. I don't buy the argument that the KF Drive provides substantial structural support as that is not reflected by the construction rules. The KF Drive doesn't provide any structural integrity points for a ship like structural integrity (or structure). Monitors will never replace Warships but they were never meant to. Monitors, in general, were meant to help free up expensive Warships in situations where a significant defensive presence was always required.

Epoch Rooster · « **Reply #7 on:** July 03, 2013, 03:02:05 AM »

Yet we have Capital-scale Missiles being mounted on DropShips along with Sub-Cap weapons of all stripes. The main, and probably only, reasons that other types of Capital Weapons aren't mounted on DropShips is their sheer size and heat sink or ammo requirments.

JPArbiter · « **Reply #8 on:** July 08, 2013, 11:47:37 AM »

meh, I am just citing the fiction that makes monitors non viable.

ATN082268 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 08, 2013, 12:06:44 PM »

Quote from: JPArbiter on July 08, 2013, 11:47:37 AM

meh, I am just citing the fiction that makes monitors non viable.

Fair enough. I wasn't trying to jump you personally, just countering the current official line for no Monitors in the official Battletech Universe.

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