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Contest for a naval group
« on: January 14, 2011, 03:33:35 AM »

You know that with Knightmare's help I designed a specific Battle Cruiser based on a real French one: the Richelieu Battle Cruiser (http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/Spaceship/ShipInfo.asp?ID=871).

Lately I have been reading papers on naval warfare and I was wondering if and how you would organise a squadron/group/fleet (I don't know the size yet) based on one or several Richelieu Battle Cruisers.

Let's call this a free for all contest  8)
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Re: Contest for a naval group
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2011, 03:55:28 AM »

A squadron is usually composed of a homogeneous group of the same type of ship. They are usually three to four ships.
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Re: Contest for a naval group
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2011, 12:40:10 PM »

It really depends on what your mission profile is:

* If your [unit], is intended to attack the enemy fleet in a massive, set-piece battle, you want lots of heavy, main battle line type ships squadroned together, keeping your destroyers and lighter cruisers in separate squadrons as maneuver groups. You'd go light-to-non-existent on support vessels, since they will be follow-on forces after you (hopefully) win the day.

* If you want to go on a long range 'cavalry raid' with heavy units, you'd go with one heavy, one or two cruiser-types, a few destroyers, and several stores and refueling vessels.

* If you intend a planetary invasion, in BT you want to maximize the number of docking collars for combat dropships, and carry lots of ammo for 'ortillery' support.

* If you are out on a realistic patrol, you'd want a relatively small task group centered on the heavy containing a light cruiser or two, several destroyers, a couple of support ships, and maybe 2 or 3 'Monolith' ships loaded with 8 Achilles-type 'PT Boats' and a Vengeance carrier each, for fleet defense and in-system patrol......
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Re: Contest for a naval group
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2011, 09:25:01 PM »

What kind of naval group are we talking about Clan or InnerSphere?
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Re: Contest for a naval group
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2011, 03:26:45 AM »

Gabriel, I know it (although I am not a spaceman) but I just wanted to let you a little more freedom (while still being realistic).

Hammer6R, thanks for these precisions but I don't know what I want apart that I want my Richelieu class to be in it and perhaps to be the main punch of it (but this might change if needed).

Takiro, this is an Inner Sphere contest but let's split it in two: a Star League group/fleet and a Terran Republic one.

If you have other questions, just ask me.  8)
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Re: Contest for a naval group
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2011, 09:46:27 PM »

Well Ice I did a little research for this challenge based on your design (found on Solaris 7, link below) and the overview I wrote for Naval Organization in Technical Readout 2800 (PDF page 13).
http://solaris7.com/TRO/Spaceship/ShipInfo.asp?ID=871

Richelieu class is a true Battlecruiser with better than average speed (4/6) and good long range capital arsenal. I want to create a focal point around your warship so the partners will hopefully compliment it well. The ships I want to pair her with are just as fast and support various operations.

Now I got three ways to go for organization (see TRO2800). The "Base Three" Squadron (3 warships), the "Plus One" Squadron (4 warships), or the "Dual" Squadron (6 warships).

Furthermore I envision the Richelieu as leading fast heavy hitter group so no corvettes. Not enough punch. Also since the Battlecruiser is heading up the group no Battleships, don't want to overshadow. No non combatants are suggested either I want true warships not tenders, yardships, tankers, or transports. They need not apply. Finally SL era designs only are herein included, no design produced after the Amaris Coup. I included BTSD (TRO2800), Knightmare's Devonshire Historical Archives, and canon sources (TRO 3057 Revised). So here are my potential candidates.

Whirlwind class Destroyer (520k tons / 4,6 / 0 DS / 0 Fs / 0 SC) TRO 3057R
Riga class Destroyer/Carrier (600k tons / 4,6 / 2 DS / 36 Fs / 6 SC) TRO 3057R+
Dewey class Destroyer (600k tons / 4,6 / 0 DS / 18 Fs / 4 SC) TRO2800
Bainbridge class Destroyer (620k tons / 5,8 / 0 DS / 12 Fs / 6 SC) TRO2800
Jocasta class Destroyer (640k tons / 4,6 / 1 DS / 12 Fs / 2 SC) Devonshire / Knightmare
Lola III class Destroyer (680k tons / 4,6 / 0 DS / 6 Fs / 4 SC) TRO 3057R
Kimagure class Pursuit Cruiser (780k tons / 5,8 / 2 DS / 12 Fs / 0 SC) TRO 3057R
Defender class Cruiser (650k tons / 4,6 / 2 DS / 0 Fs / 0 SC) TRO2800
Sovremenyy class Battlecruiser (830k tons / 5,8 / 4 DS / 18 Fs / 8 SC) TRO2800

So from that list let me make my first suggestions to reach a "Base Three" Squadron. Even though the Richelieu and the Sovremenyy aren't in the BTSD setting per say they would make a nasty duo if teamed together. In their fluff neither ship was produced in numbers but paired together as friendly competitors I think they'd do nicely. Next I'd take your pick of the Defender whose AA capabilities would nicely shield the dynamic duo or the Kimagure whose speed and armament make a nice fit. Those 4 ships would also make a nice "Plus One" Squadron.

Now if we go to a "Dual" (6 ship) Squadron I'd likely add in the standard Tin Can Escort headed up by a Lola III and your pick of my other Destroyer candidates. My dream pick would be to keep the original four ships (Richelieu, Sovremenyy, Defender, Kimagure) and add 2 Bainbridges. That would give you really good speed as most of your ships go 5,8 with the Defender and Richelieu doing a respectable 4,6. So what do you think?
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Re: Contest for a naval group
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2011, 10:12:20 AM »

Got it Have fun but not I thought she was legal but she is underage fun.   :D   :)
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Re: Contest for a naval group
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2011, 04:43:49 AM »

Got it Have fun but not I thought she was legal but she is underage fun.   :D   :)

My design?  ::)

And Takiro, this looks interesting (I will have to look more at the designs).

Any inspiration for using more than one Richelieu ship in an unit?
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Re: Contest for a naval group
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2011, 05:22:26 AM »

Negative Ice, the fluff for your design clearly states two were the max possible. However a pair would make fine escorts for a fleet flagship like the Royal Sovereign.
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Re: Contest for a naval group
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2011, 01:29:46 PM »

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Re: Contest for a naval group
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2011, 05:22:55 PM »

Battleship featured in TRO 2800 originally built by the Star League.
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Re: Contest for a naval group
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2011, 01:39:23 PM »

I have to read again your TROs   :-[
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Re: Contest for a naval group
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2011, 04:28:50 PM »

I remember that ship!
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Re: Contest for a naval group
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2011, 02:50:57 PM »

I remember that ship!

Which one? Mine or should I say ours or more precisely yours?  ::)

Any suggestion for this little contest O Mighty Space Warfare Master?
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Re: Contest for a naval group
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2011, 03:04:59 PM »

Little?! :o

Well, it's not a particularly fast ship - Max Thrust is only 3Gs. That being said, I would build squadrons around mission profile rather than speed or class.

Commerce Raider? Well, if the ships does have a portable HPG installed, I'd pair it with fast Lithium-Battery-equipped Corvettes or Destroyers. (Upgraded Makos would be awesome.) Even without a Lithium-Battery, the class could still function as the coordinating command ship. This would prove especially useful if said squadron was designed to operate inside enemy borders. The Richelieu could protect any auxiliary support ships assigned to the task force while the Corvettes go hunting. 

Otherwise, I'd pair the ship with other large warships that enjoy similar speed. Depending on the time frame, Quixote Frigates would be an interesting choice. I would avoid super large, heavily armored Battleships unless you want enemy ships to focus  their fire on the Richelieu first.

But that's just me. 
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