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Re: Design Challenge: SLDF 2780
« Reply #60 on: December 09, 2013, 06:09:54 AM »

I'm sorry that this has languished. I've been moving house which has absorbed vast amounts of time and the energy.

Stage One of the decision-making process will begin here by selecting the SLDF's choice for Category A: Battleship for use as command vessels in fire support and line squadrons

The requirements set out were: 3/5 thrust, onboard HPG and quarters for command personnel, LFB not required

The designs submitted were: Royal Sovereign, Phoenix, Warspite, McKenna II, Texas II, Dreadnought II, Majestic. With seven designs meeting the minimum requirements, this was the most contested category.

Individual review

Royal Sovereign was determined to be expensive due to the Lithium-Fusion Battery (the exact cost figures were unintentionally obfuscatory to the committee due to mis-understandings between Krester and Blue Nose' accountants). It was unclear from the submission what command quarters were to be available and the low available cargo space and leeway for future expansion did not count in its favour.

Almost 40% larger than the Royal Sovereign, the Phoenix was a monolith of armour and naval PPC batteries. The large on-board fighter force and the command quarters won points, as did the anti-missile systems but there was concern that the ship would be too large for the SLDF's existing yardships and seemed to have very little internal storage for cargo - something that was later clarified by engineers.

The Warspite emerged as a strong contender, being a manageable size with substantial protection, a diverse weapon suite and well-defined crew quarters - all for little more than half the cost of the Phoenix

The McKenna II looked extremely impressive with the addition of the LFB inflating the cost and several Admirals unconvinced that it has sufficient firepower for the role. Nonetheless, it was well-armoured and well supplied.

The committee found the Texas II to be in the same vein as the McKenna II but more affordable which quieted some concerns that it really had no more firepower than the larger submission and 75% the protection.

Despite matching the size of the Phoenix, the Dreadnought II was considerably cheaper and sported a more balanced armament. Command quarters and protection were admirable but the logistical problems of such a large vessel were a sticking point.

The Majestic came in to an already jaded committee who saw something smaller than the Phoenix or Dreadnought II but still too large for existing facilities, while somehow being more expensive that either. Contenders pointed to excellent secondary weapons, command quarters and cargo space however.

Final decision
Admiral Grec returned a new requirement to the committee after their initial reviews: the selected battleship must be feasible for current shipyards. Prestige vessels of unprecedented size would have to wait for a better time. This sealed the fate of the Phoenix, Dreadnought II and Majestic.

In light of the financial cost of building large numbers of warships, the SLN committee also felt that the cost of LFB on battleships (as opposed to the separate battlecruiser category) was not justified. They therefore rejected the Royal Sovereign and McKenna II.

This brought the final decision down to the Warspite and the Texas II. The Warspite was clearly the better protected and armed, but 50% more costly than the Texas II. The ultimate decision made was to accept the Warspite as the winner of the contract, although the option of limited Texas II production was retained as a hedge against any delays in Warspite production.
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Re: Design Challenge: SLDF 2780
« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2013, 06:23:13 AM »

and a mod on a BB class I was thinking of using for a other project.

Congrats to Corsair SG and the Warspite!
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Re: Design Challenge: SLDF 2780
« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2013, 09:46:56 AM »

congratulations on the Victory chaps.
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Re: Design Challenge: SLDF 2780
« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2013, 04:20:16 PM »

and a mod on a BB class I was thinking of using for a other project.

Congrats to Corsair SG and the Warspite!

AACCGGKK I Won ???!!! (Designer Pass's out)

Thanks guys to be honest i was worried that the warspite would be considered a contender for the contract in the first place, considering the higher cost ratio, but I still believe in the design.

 Guess I can try to take a stab at the fluff for it now, lol funny thing is this design is also in my BC Alt Universe.
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Re: Design Challenge: SLDF 2780
« Reply #64 on: December 10, 2013, 02:34:07 AM »

Moving on, we have Category B: Battlecruiser as command vessels in pursuit squadrons

The requirements set out were: 4/6 thrust, lithium-fusion battery preferred

The designs submitted were: Richelieu, Crusader Type 44, Tribal, Admiral, Intrepid.

Individual Reviews
The Richelieu met the basic requirements and brought a solid amount of firepower but was short on cargo space and space for a command staff.

Slightly larger and twice as expensive as the Richelieu, the Crusader Type 44 had more cargo space, more fighters, more armour and also had secondary armament to engage fighters. It still lacked accomodations for a squadron command staff.

The Tribal was originally submitted as a Light Cruiser but the committee felt its size merited consideration as a battlecruiser. One of its main selling point was seventy double-staterooms that could house a command staff. The cargo space was limited though.

The Admiral cost about the same as the Tribal but failed to stand out in comparison with fewer fighters and cargo space. The tradeover was much more powerful armament.

Intrepid was notably the largest submission, was the counter-part to the Tribal but lacked the cargo and personnel space. The armament was built around a large number of capital missile tubes.

Final Decision

The Intrepid was the first design rejected as evaluation indicated there was no on-board space for a command staff. The Richelieu and Admiral were next, as their protection - although perfectly adequate by pre-Coup standards - didn't match up to the that of their competitors.

This left the Crusader and Tribal as the contenders. The designs were closely matched but the difference in price eventually swayed the committee and the final decision was to select the Tribal as the winner, much to the surprise of Di-Tron.
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Re: Design Challenge: SLDF 2780
« Reply #65 on: December 10, 2013, 03:00:20 AM »

Di Tron industries is happy to announce that the SLDF has entered orders for Tribal Light Cruisers Battle Cruisers, and is prepared to make good on its design.

Yay!

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Re: Design Challenge: SLDF 2780
« Reply #66 on: December 10, 2013, 03:38:36 AM »

Congrats on winning the BC contract ;)
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Re: Design Challenge: SLDF 2780
« Reply #67 on: December 10, 2013, 06:22:05 AM »

Nice job Fitz!
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Re: Design Challenge: SLDF 2780
« Reply #68 on: December 10, 2013, 07:05:32 AM »

Conga Rats
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Re: Design Challenge: SLDF 2780
« Reply #69 on: December 11, 2013, 05:45:09 PM »

Category C: Heavy Cruiser for use in fire support and line squadrons

The requirements were: 3/5 thrust, important to keep cost down for mass production, cargo capacity of at least 100,000 tons

Submitted designs: Corsair's heavy cruiser, Centaur, Fort

Individual reviews

Of the three contenders, Corsair's unnamed submission was the most expensive, 20% more than either of the other two. Armament was balanced towards long range engagements with naval lasers and capital missiles backed by naval autocannon. It was the most heavily armoured however.

The Centaur was the least protected of the trio, but it sported the best cargo space. The combination of heavy short-ranged autocannon and relative fragility (although in earlier eras few battleships sported such armour) worried the committee.

The Fort used N-PPCs as primary armament, backed by naval lasers and a few missile tubes. Protection was almost as good as Corsair had provided and cost was as low as that of the Centaur.

Final Decision
The Fort-class emerged as the clear winner, combining the best aspects of the other two contenders. The decision risked opening Di-Tron to overstrain with two major contracts from the SLDF.



Category E: Light Cruiser

This category was awarded by default to the Naga II design, since the only other contender, the Tribal-class was selected for Category B. This is no slight upon the Naga II, which met all design criteria within a reasonable budget.
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Re: Design Challenge: SLDF 2780
« Reply #70 on: December 11, 2013, 10:13:58 PM »

Congratulations to Krester and their designer Tariko on winning the Light Cruiser contract.
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Re: Design Challenge: SLDF 2780
« Reply #71 on: December 11, 2013, 11:39:25 PM »

Congrats to both winners in the last two contract wins ;)
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Re: Design Challenge: SLDF 2780
« Reply #72 on: December 12, 2013, 12:14:23 AM »

Category C: Heavy Cruiser for use in fire support and line squadrons

The requirements were: 3/5 thrust, important to keep cost down for mass production, cargo capacity of at least 100,000 tons

Submitted designs: Corsair's heavy cruiser, Centaur, Fort

Individual reviews

Of the three contenders, Corsair's unnamed submission was the most expensive, 20% more than either of the other two. Armament was balanced towards long range engagements with naval lasers and capital missiles backed by naval autocannon. It was the most heavily armoured however.

The Centaur was the least protected of the trio, but it sported the best cargo space. The combination of heavy short-ranged autocannon and relative fragility (although in earlier eras few battleships sported such armour) worried the committee.

The Fort used N-PPCs as primary armament, backed by naval lasers and a few missile tubes. Protection was almost as good as Corsair had provided and cost was as low as that of the Centaur.

Final Decision
The Fort-class emerged as the clear winner, combining the best aspects of the other two contenders. The decision risked opening Di-Tron to overstrain with two major contracts from the SLDF.



Category E: Light Cruiser

This category was awarded by default to the Naga II design, since the only other contender, the Tribal-class was selected for Category B. This is no slight upon the Naga II, which met all design criteria within a reasonable budget.
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Actualy the HC was named the Daemon ;), and if i had went 2  dropships also, i think the price would have been slightly cheaper lol, but still they was the clear winners the Fort.
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Re: Design Challenge: SLDF 2780
« Reply #73 on: December 12, 2013, 02:25:30 AM »

Actualy the HC was named the Daemon ;), and if i had went 2  dropships also, i think the price would have been slightly cheaper lol, but still they was the clear winners the Fort.

Well I enjoyed how we both submitted Carriers based off the Lola.

Boeing Interstellar.......

Determined to spam the Lola in whatever carrier configuration the SLDF wants.
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Re: Design Challenge: SLDF 2780
« Reply #74 on: December 12, 2013, 02:36:32 AM »

Category D: Frigate for use as a convoy escort and for fire support of ground troops

The requirements were: good endurance, 6 dropship collars

As with the heavy cruisers there were only three candidates: Normandy, St. Louis, Dart II

Individual Requirements
The Normandy-class came out as the high-price option with a LFB, substantial fuel and life support rated for almost a year. Armour was good but the committee were concerned that ammunition stores for the naval autocannon might prove a limit on almost half the primary weapons suite.

The smallest submission was the St. Louis-class, which was also by far the fastest, built around mobile protection rather than static. This made a good impression on the committee but they were also aware of the limited fuel and that the designer had not finished the costing or made any estimate on dedicated crew supplies.

Di-Tron's Dart II was a similar size to the Normandy, with a main battery of naval lasers and capital missiles and formidable armament. The endurance was calculated as close to two years. The only serious reservation was that the missiles would run out, although in fairness the stocks carried were extraordinarily deep.

Final Decision

The Dart II was selected over the Normandy as cheaper and overall the better design but only awarded a limited contract as the committee felt that the St Louis had promise and offered the designer a chance at a new contract if the design could be reworked with more endurance and a better cost-estimate. Rumblings within the ship-building suggested that Di-Tron was not making friends with this run of success.
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