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Great minds think alike, perhaps.  ;)

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Indeed, meant to comment on this and instead I changed one of my submissions lol. Hopefully your great mind doesn't get as distracted as mine does.  ;)
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Still five days to go on this one too folks! ;)
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Happy Halloween folks!

Only two more days to go for this challenge. Get those entries in if your interested!
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Totally against the rules but just as a gag threw this together.

Jade Falcon with an exchange of resources with the Star Adders have acquired rights to production of the 400XL Engine the Adders will no longer be using for their Naga and in exchange the Adders get some well needed raw resources for other projects they are working on.

The Falcons have a need for a ground support aerospace fighter. With the ability to spray and pray this fighter has a nice punch for long ranges but it really excels when it comes to strafing enemy lines.

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Weight: 80 tons
BV: 2,765
Cost: 14,694,307 C-bills

Movement: 7/11
Engine: 400 XL
Heat Sinks: 20 [40]
Fuel Points: 720 (9.0 tons)

Structural Integrity: 8
Armor: 259 (Ferro-Aluminum)
            Armor 
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Nose           75 
Left Wing      65 
Right Wing     65 
Aft            54 

Weapons         Loc  Heat 
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ER PPC          NOS   15   
ER PPC          NOS   15   
ER Small Laser  LWG    2   
ER Small Laser  LWG    2   
ER Small Laser  LWG    2   
ER Small Laser  LWG    2   
ER Small Laser  LWG    2   
ER Small Laser  RWG    2   
ER Small Laser  RWG    2   
ER Small Laser  RWG    2   
ER Small Laser  RWG    2   
ER Small Laser  RWG    2   
ER Small Laser  AFT    2   
ER Small Laser  AFT    2 
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Sometimes rules are made to be broken. ;)

Just about eight hours left folks!!
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You will have to blow the dust off the Quicksilver Reviews of the past to find similarly judged contests which only have one or in this case two winners. For our first review let me begin with the biggest boy around which our four designers who participated all took aim at. Each of the Halicarnassus entries were superb and any critique contained hereafter is pretty minor. Any of the following could have one this contest I just have to put them in the order I think best. So here we go;

4. Helicarassus (marauder648) 100 tons - 6/9 – Hydaspes (Ostrogoth pic)
Featuring a five-ton fuel tank (400 fuel) this entry is in line with standard size fuel space for aerofighters. With a Gauss Rifle (16 shots, 2 tons of ammo) and two ER Large Lasers in the nose this design entry had superb long-range firepower. An LRM-15 (16 shots, 2 tons of ammo) and two ER Medium Lasers in each wing supplement this well but with 18 (36) Double Heat Sinks it can in no way fire everything at once. As a multi-role fighter this thing rocks but I was looking more for a naval ship killer and it is interesting to note that this was the most expensive submission (21,109,375). I did like the ER Small Laser placed Aft and 18 tons of Ferro-Aluminum (345 factor /103 N, 86 Ws, 70 A) makes for one tough fighter craft. The fluff was very good as usual but I was surprised that instead of making use of an older frame from cache storage you went first with a Hydaspes basis then a pic of the Ostrogoth. Another small nitpick was the name, which got me wondering if there was a different spelling? Overall an excellent design but there were three better entries in my opinion.

3. Halicarnassus (Abele) 100 tons - 6/9 – enlarged Ahab
The largest fuel tank at eight-tons of capacity (640 fuel) can be found on this entry by Abele which is certainly useful on a naval support fighter. Also impressive was armor protection (336 factor / 121 N, 75 Ws, 65 A) thanks to 17.5 tons of Ferro-Aluminum. His armament was also solid with two ER PPCs in the Nose as well as a LRM-20 rack (18 shots, 3 tons for ammo) and an ER Medium Laser in each Wing. While 24 (48) Double Heat Sinks doesn’t allow you to fire everything (overheat by 6 firing all forward weaponry and overthrusting) it is still possible. At medium range this can certainly enhance your effectiveness and I like the rear defense of the ER Medium Laser placed in the Aft arc. Placing third in overall cost (20,637,400) this was a solid design entry. The fluff is thin but good and the enlargement of the Ahab frame is possible I suppose but could delay rapid deployment of this new craft. Not bad at all Abele, just two better.

2. Halicarnassus (Bradshaw) 100 tons - 6/9 - Thunderbird
A six-ton fuel tank (480) was ample enough for me and somehow Bradshaw managed to submit the cheapest entry (20,351,800). The fluff was very good, the Thunderbird is a great pick for a frame basis, and the Aerospace Hellstar approach sure seems to be the way to go as with both quad ER PPC carriers got my top two spots. With 31 (62) Double Heat Sinks you can fire these fearsome long-range energy weapons repeatedly giving the craft awesome capability. Now linking this arsenal to a five-ton Targeting Computer protected by an ECM is good but is it second line? The Clans might think this is a bit too much for such a garrison tool like the Athena Tank.  While armor protection is good (259 factor / 75 N, 65 Ws, 54 A) thanks to 13.5 tons of Ferro-Aluminum it was lower then your competition. It was the placement of your weaponry in the wings which cost you the win as they have different firing arcs according to the rules. Plus, there is no rearward protection on your design which would have been a nice addition. Great design bud but there was one better.

1. Halicarnassus (masterarminas) 100 tons - 6/9 – No frame listed
There are a lot of similarities between our last Halicarnassus entry and our first. Both feature six ton of fuel tanks (480) and the Aerospace Hellstar arsenal of four ER PPCs. While this one has only 30 (60) Double Heat Sinks which causes overheating with movement it is only a very slight concern which does bring some realistic limitation to this design. With 18.5 tons of Ferro-Aluminum (355 factor / 94 N, 94 Ws, 73 A) it had the second most protection of any submission plus I like how the layout factored in threshold criticals. I also liked the two ER Medium Lasers mounted Aft for protection from would be interceptors. The cost (20,405,800) factor was relatively cheap by contest standards as it was the second least expensive. The key factor in this entry’s first place finish was the four ER PPCs placement in the nose which focuses their tremendous long-range firepower into a single forward arc capable of devastating larger craft. The fluff was excellent and I love how even the component electronics were covered from the Kirghiz. The only negative was a lack of existing frame usage which was overlooked. While this was a big drawback the design itself was enough to carry the day. In the future please remember to give a frame basis but for now congrats on the win here!


The Miletus reviews are up next!
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Didn't realize how crappy arcs were until i just looked for aerospace congrats Master
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Meant to post this variant . . . the Halicarnassus 2 in the original post.  It is very similar . . . but the devil lies in the details.  Main points:

1.  The quad ER PPCs in the nose are replaced with FIVE Large Pulse Lasers.  While this means that the Halicarnassus 2 can only do 80% of the damage of the main airframe, it is far more accurate in landing that sledgehammer blow.

2.  Even with adding a fifth heavy weapon, I could reduce the heat sinks from 30 to 25.  The Clan Large Pulse Laser is just that efficient a weapon system.

3.  But I had to scrounge up one more ton from somewhere, so the rear-firing ER Medium Lasers were down-graded to ER Small Lasers.  Oh well.

Otherwise, the design is identical (armor, fuel, thrust, etc.).  Except that it is even less expensive than the original design.  Anyway, here it is:

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                    AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
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Class/Model/Name:  Halicarnassus 2
Tech:              Clan / 3055
Vessel Type:       Aerospace Fighter
Rules:             Level 2, Custom design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              100 tons
Length:            22 meters
Power Plant:       400 XL Fusion
Safe Thrust:       6
Maximum Thrust:    9
Armor Type:        Ferro-aluminum
Armament:         
    5 Large Pulse Laser
    2 ER Small Laser
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Class/Model/Name:  Halicarnassus 2
Mass:              100 tons

Equipment:                                                              Mass
Power Plant:  400 XL Fusion                                             26.50
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 6
      Maximum Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity: 10                                                  .00
Total Heat Sinks:    25 Double                                          15.00
Fuel:                                                                    6.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters:                                            3.00
Armor Type:  Ferro-aluminum  (355 total armor pts)                      18.50
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Nose:                                 94
   Left/Right Wings:                  94/94
   Aft:                                  73

Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
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5 Large Pulse Laser        Nose        10     10     10     --   50     30.00
2 ER Small Laser           Aft          5     --     --     --    4      1.00
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TOTALS:                                                    Heat: 54    100.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        19,592,050 C-Bills
Battle Value:      3,007
Cost per BV:       6,515.48
Weapon Value:      3,938 (Ratio = 1.31)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 55;  MRV = 42;  LRV = 22;  ERV = 0
BattleForce2:      MP: 6,  Armor/Structure: 9 / 0
                   Damage PB/M/L: 6/6/6,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: FH;  Point Value: 30
« Last Edit: November 04, 2018, 11:07:37 PM by masterarminas »
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For our smaller naval fighter three designers submitted six possible Miletus frames for evaluation. While there are cost concerns for this budget Falcon fighter performance might win out here. I mean another 6/9 fighter which can keep pace with the Halicarnassus would be nice as the Clans upgrade their second line fighter assets.

N/A. Miletus (Bradshaw) 80 tons – 7/11 – No frame listed
This outside the box entry powered by a 400 XL engine has got to be disqualified but man it is pretty darn good. The fluff was a bit thin and I found myself asking if the Adders were trying to keep their Naga refit close to the chest would they involve the Falcons? Maybe, such a move like using Naga engines to power this thing could convince others that they are scrapping these Artillery OmniMechs. That would certainly throw off the scent. Too bad there was no frame basis given but there is nothing really illegal about this design. A nine ton of fuel tank (720) would give fantastic range and Bradshaw includes his standard 13.5 tons of Ferro-Aluminum (259 factor / 75 N, 65 Ws, 54 A) armor. Two ER PPCs in the nose would serve as the main punch of this craft but five ER Small Lasers in each wing provide powerful supplementary firepower. Strafing attacks would be deadly and the endurance of this design would be impressive with large fuel tanks combined with its all energy arsenal. Two ER Small Lasers mounted aft provide some nice rearward protection should this fast assault fighter be outmaneuvered. While 20 (40) Double Heat Sinks cannot dissipate all heat generated they do account for the main weaponry or the laser strafing bracket. While costly (14,694,307) I could see this experimental concept being worked on perhaps even as an OmniFighter as we move forward. Nice job Bradshaw!

5. Miletus (marauder648) 80 tons - 6/9 - No frame listed (unknown art)
Carrying the standard five ton of fuel (400) tank this undercard from marauder648 was solid fluff wise but didn’t get the attention his first entry. An LB 10-X AC with 20 shots (2 tons of ammo) in the nose is a medium ranged weapon which didn’t really impress me too much as the big gun here. I guess it is a crit seeker but you have to get close to use it which the 6/9 speed does come in handy for. An ER Large Laser and two Medium Pulse Lasers in each wing were a bit better but again have different arcs than the nose which could impact weapon focus when trying to bring down big ships. I did like the ER Small Laser mounted aft which did offer some rearward protection and the ECM Suite is a nice touch too. Unfortunately, the 16 (32) Double Heat Sinks can’t deal with all the weapon heat generated but on the plus side the cost is relatively low (5,965,003). Armor protection isn’t bad (268 factor/ 83 N, 67 Ws, 51 A) thanks to 14 tons of Ferro-Aluminum. I liked the scifi fighter art but without a design frame basis I was a little disappointed. Still not a bad entry but four others were better at least in my eyes.

4. Miletus (Bradshaw) 85 tons – 6/9 – Rapier
I like the fluff very much and you were right on with the feel of marauder648 cached fighter find refit of old SLDF designs. You slightly expanded the fuel supply to six tons for this entry and you really did a sweet job with the anti-ship arsenal. Three Large Pulse Lasers and a LB 10-X Cannon (20 shots, 2 ton of ammo) all located in the nose could really focus your firepower. However, there was no rearward weaponry and while the Active Probe is useful, I would have liked to have seen something else. The 16 (32) Double Heat Sinks do a nice job of dissipating all weapon heat even though movement heat would send you over slightly. A dozen tons of Ferro-Aluminum armor provides pretty good protection (230 factor/ 70 N, 55 Ws, 50 A) and the design was not all that costly (6,162,721) for an 85 tonner. Unfortunately, the Rapier was already used as the basis for the Kubulai which means these frames might be already be spoken for. Good enough for fourth place bud.

3. Miletus (marauder648) 85 tons - 6/9 – No frame listed (unknown art)
With solid fluff and a standard five ton of fuel tank (400) this was in my judgement the best 85-ton entry of the bunch. An ER PPC in the nose along with an ER Large Laser and Streak SRM 6 (15 shot, ton of ammo) in the wing provide pretty good forward firepower. You got solid punch at long range plus some accurate missile support and two Medium Pulse Lasers mounted aft discourages rear attacks. With 20 (40) Double Heat Sinks all of the long-range energy weapons can be cooled although secondary missiles will overheat the design. Fourteen tons of Ferro-Aluminum armor provides excellent protection (268 factor / 83 N, 67 Ws, 51 A) and it is pretty cost (6,257,911) effective. Unfortunately, there is no listed frame but this was all good enough for third place.

2. Miletus (Abele) 80 tons - 6/9 – No frame listed (Huscarl pic)
Repeating with the largest fuel tank at eight-tons of capacity (640 fuel) Abele certainly keys on this as vital for naval support fighters. Your fluff is even thinner and not that ultra-boing at least to me but hey I like details. Two ER Large Lasers in the nose along with an ER Large Laser in each wing provides exceptional extreme range firepower. Two ER Medium Lasers placed aft also provided excellent protection against rearward attackers. With 22 (44) Double Heat Sinks you can disperse much but not all forward weapon heat (+4) and this doesn’t account for movement. Sixteen and a half tons of Ferro-Aluminum armor provides superior protection (316 factor / 106 N, 70 Ws, 70 A) especially compared to the competition. Your cost calculation (3,505,552,493) must be an error but even with this mistake and without a listed frame you have a good design here. The Huscarl pic isn’t bad but I liked one design better.

1. Miletus (Bradshaw) 80 tons - 5/8 - Vulcan
Our slowest entry at 5/8 was of course the cheapest in terms of cost (5,802,720) but could it compete with the others. First off, I thought fluff was the best for this Miletus entry which took a chance with a Naga finding story. I don’t know about the Falcons finding a warship of Vulcans but operating in that general area (Rim Worlds Republic) it is very plausible. I liked the use of those frames and your component usage was excellent. Design wise the fighter carried five tons of fuel (400) and was protected by 13.5 tons of Ferro-Aluminum armor (259 factor / 75 N, 65 Ws, 54 A). Perhaps the best part of this entry was the extreme to long range weaponry mounted forward which helps mitigate its slow speed. Two ER Large Lasers mounted in the nose have superior range while two LB 5-X ACs in each wing supplied with two tons of ammo (80 shots total for 4 cannons) supplements the main energy weapons nicely. Two Medium Pulse Lasers mounted aft also help dissuade back bitters while 13 (26) Double Heat Sinks disperse much of the forward fire. Nice job Bradshaw, congrats on the Miletus win!
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Didn't realize how crappy arcs were until i just looked for aerospace congrats Master

Yeah, sorry bud. Congrats on the Miletus though -nice job!

Meant to post this variant . . . the Halicarnassus 2 in the original post.  It is very similar . . . but the devil lies in the details.  Main points:

1.  The quad ER PPCs in the nose are replaced with FIVE Large Pulse Lasers.  While this means that the Halicarnassus 2 can only do 80% of the damage of the main airframe, it is far more accurate in landing that sledgehammer blow.

2.  Even with adding a fifth heavy weapon, I could reduce the heat sinks from 30 to 25.  The Clan Large Pulse Laser is just that efficient a weapon system.

3.  But I had to scrounge up one more ton from somewhere, so the rear-firing ER Medium Lasers were down-graded to ER Small Lasers.  Oh well.

Wow, that is a nice variant. I'll have to add it. Congrats on the win.


Next aerospace contest is going up soon!!
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there is nothing really illegal about this design.

it technically is a legal design just not a legal design for this competition as it had an XL engine



thanks, didn't realize the Rapier had already been used. I liked the fluff on this one more especially the mix of the Scope with the Active Probe.

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