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Re: Quicksilver WarShips -Thoughts.
« Reply #90 on: September 24, 2018, 10:47:40 AM »

So in light of this, producing their own designs that don't have the monstrous cargo requirements mot SLDF ships had (with you being able to fit the weight of the worlds largest passenger ship in the Sov soy's cargo bay being a prime example of this lunacy) so they have a shorter range (but up the fuel tanks from the notoriously short legged SLDF ships) and are more flexible and sturdy, able to operate alone and defend themselves against threats large and small, it makes so much more sense.

Id say a 10% saved towards cargo would be satisfactory for any Warship. So a Samarkand sized 350k vessel would have 35,000 but a McKenna sized one would have 193000
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Re: Quicksilver WarShips -Thoughts.
« Reply #91 on: September 24, 2018, 10:50:58 AM »

Sounds fine to me :) Thats 80,745 tons for a McKenna
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Re: Quicksilver WarShips -Thoughts.
« Reply #92 on: September 24, 2018, 11:11:04 AM »

Id think an ideal Naval Star for a Clan would be

Corvette/Destroyer
Destroyer/Frigate
Light Cruiser/Carrier
Heavy Cruiser
Battleship

/ isn't for one or the other but to designate hybrids
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Re: Quicksilver WarShips -Thoughts.
« Reply #93 on: September 24, 2018, 12:07:44 PM »

Depends on the role but I see the Clans as being somewhat Cruiser heavy.  Larger multi-role ships capable of independent action and decent patrols as well as carrying enough droppers to make a target regret them coming.
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Re: Quicksilver WarShips -Thoughts.
« Reply #94 on: September 24, 2018, 12:40:35 PM »

Yea it would make sense as Cruiser weights are the most versatile


In regards to Comstar Fleet I was able to narrow down who was and wasn't around at time of Exodus

Definitely part of the 12
CSV Invisible Truth - Cameron-Class
CSV Harmonious Thought Sovetskii Soyuz class

Likely
CSV Strength Through Adversity - Lola III-class
CSV Leander Lola-class
CSV Ranger - Lola III-class
CSV Hammerstrike - Essex-class
CSV Deathblow - Essex-class
CSV Brandenburg Crusader - Essex-class
CSV Defender of Versailles - Essex-class
CSV Emerald Essex class
CSV Starlight Essex class
CSV Resilience - Vincent-class
CSV Determination - Vincent-class
CSV Alacrity - Vincent-class

Unlikely
CSV Divine Wisdom - Lola III-class
CSV Holy Martyrdom - Lola III-class
CSV Blake's Vision - Lola III-class
CSV Blake's Strength - Black Lion-class
CSV Avenging Sword - Aegis-class
CSV Righteous Fury - Aegis-class
CSV Swift Justice - Aegis-class
CSV Enlightened Path - Volga-class
CSV Cleansing Fire - Congress-class
CSV Blake's Vengeance - Sovetskii Soyuz-class

Definitely Nots
CSV Anastasius Focht - Suffren-class
CSV Manchester - Suffren-class
CSV Hollings York - Congress-class
CSV Vision of Truth - Potemkin-class
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Re: Quicksilver WarShips -Thoughts.
« Reply #95 on: September 24, 2018, 02:03:23 PM »

Consolidated Findings

Lost Ship   Class   Name/Source   Clan
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Riga II   Destroyer   Fluff 22 left Exodus   ---
Riga II   Destroyer   Fluff 22 left Exodus   ---
Riga II   Destroyer   Fluff 22 left Exodus   ---
Riga II   Destroyer   Fluff 22 left Exodus   ---
Riga II   Destroyer   Fluff 22 left Exodus   ---
Riga II   Destroyer   Fluff 22 left Exodus   ---
Riga II   Destroyer   Fluff 22 left Exodus   ---
Riga II   Destroyer   Fluff 22 left Exodus   ---
Riga II   Destroyer   Fluff 22 left Exodus   ---
Riga II   Destroyer   Fluff 22 left Exodus   ---
Riga II   Destroyer   Fluff 22 left Exodus   ---
Riga II   Destroyer   Fluff 22 left Exodus   ---
Riga II   Destroyer   Fluff 22 left Exodus   ---
Riga II   Destroyer   Fluff 22 left Exodus   ---
Riga II   Destroyer   Fluff 22 left Exodus   ---
Unknown   Unknown   Mustang   Hell's Horses
Unknown   Unknown   Hunter's Pride   Jade Falcon
Riga II   Destroyer   Admiral Schone   Pentagon Power
Potemkin   Transport   Egg Sac   Widowmaker
Black Lion   Battlecruiser   Michigan   Wolverine
Vincent   Corvette   Badger   Wolverine
Whirlwind   Destroyer   Weasel   Wolverine
Unknown   Unknown   Rickenbacker   Wolverine
Unknown   Destroyer   Yukon   Wolverine
Unknown   Unknown   Klondike/Eden   Pentagon Power
Unknown   Unknown   Klondike/Eden   Pentagon Power
Unknown   Unknown   Klondike/Eden   Pentagon Power
Unknown   Unknown   Klondike/Eden   Pentagon Power
Congress   Frigate   Klondike/Circe   Pentagon Power

Cache Ship   Class   Name   Clan
Quote
Mako   Corvette   Fuchida   Bandit/Society
Samarkand    Carrier   Beijing   Cloud Cobra
Essex   Destroyer   Marseilles   Diamond Shark/Babylon
Unknown   > Destroyer   Unknown   Diamond Shark/Babylon
Samarkand   Carrier   Deal Breaker   Diamond Shark/Vinton
Unknown   Unknown   Unknown   Diamond Shark/Vinton
Unknown   Unknown   Unknown   Diamond Shark/Vinton
Unknown   Unknown   Unknown   Mongoose/System 671-H
Unknown   Unknown   Unknown   Mongoose/System 671-H
Unknown   Unknown   Unknown   Mongoose/System 671-H
Lola III   Destroyer   Growler   Nova Cat
Lola III   Destroyer   Ranger   Nova Cat
Lola III   Destroyer   Hunter   Nova Cat
Du Shi Wang   Battleship   Quicksilver Mongoose   Smoke Jaguar/Strana Mechty
Baron   Destroyer   Unknown   Star Adder/MKSC-2
Kimagure   Cruiser   Admiral Russell Nga   Star Adder/MKSC-2
Riga   Frigate   Hetherington   Star Adder/MKSC-2
Samarkand    Carrier   Yorktown   Star Adder/MKSC-2
Unknown   Unknown   Unknown   Star Adder/MKSC-2
Unknown   Unknown   Unknown   Star Adder/MKSC-2
Unknown   Unknown   Unknown   Star Adder/MKSC-2
Unknown   Unknown   Unknown   Star Adder/MKSC-2
Aegis   Heavy Crusier   Silver Snake   Steel Viper
Aegis   Heavy Crusier   General Stuart   Strana Mechty
Mako   Corvette   Stone Crab   Unknown/Burrock
Mako   Corvette   Ingrid Bucharev   Unknown/Burrock

Missing/Left Clans   Class   Name   Clan
Quote
Quixote   Frigate   Unknown   Pentagon Power
Lola III   Destroyer   Black Venom   Widowmaker
Cameron   Battlecruiser   Admiral Gerda Cameron   Snow Raven
Texas   Battleship   Perth   Star Adder
Vincent    Corvette   Mars   Wolf Dragoons
Sovetskii Soyuz   Heavy Cruiser   Athena   Wolf Dragoons
Congress   Frigate   Beowulf   Wolf Dragoons
Aegis   Heavy Cruiser   Alexander   Wolf Dragoons
Lola III   Destroyer   Darius   Wolf Dragoons
Lola III   Destroyer   Nelson   Wolf Dragoons
Texas   Battleship   Bismark   Wolverine
McKenna   Battleship   Zughoffer Weir   Wolverine
Unknown   Cruiser   Buccaneer   Wolverine
Unknown   Unknown   Rough Rider   Wolf
Unknown   Transport   Maverick   Wolverine
Cameron   Battlecruiser   Munich   Snow Raven
Unknown   Transport   Rawhide   Wolverine
Carrack   Transport   Saratoga   Wolverine

A pretty version is attached as a PDF

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Re: Quicksilver WarShips -Thoughts.
« Reply #96 on: September 24, 2018, 02:14:19 PM »

So Takiros list of Warship way earlier in the post. Removing again unknown Carracks and definitely built Clan Warship we have

Class   Grand Total
Aegis   36
Black Lion   11
Cameron   12
Congress   13
Essex   14
Liberator   6
Lola III   34
McKenna   7
Potemkin   29
Sovetskii Soyuz   15
Texas   6
Vincent   22
Volga   10
Whirlwind   8
York   6
Grand Total   229


Now we have found ships

Class   Amount
Aegis   3
Baron   1
Black Lion   1
Cameron   2
Carrack   1
Congress   2
Du Shi Wang   1
Essex   1
Kimagure   1
Lola III   6
Mako   3
McKenna   1
Potemkin   1
Quixote   1
Riga   1
Riga II   16
Samarkand   3
Sovetskii Soyuz   1
Texas   2
Unknown   22
Vincent   2
Whirlwind   1
Grand Total   73

Gives 302 Ships we are still missing 100 ships jeez.

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All had been victims of a massive naval engagement that had consumed scores of WarShips and DropShips

20ish for Smoke Jaguar & Mongoose War

Now we are down to 80ish

So if we think this means scores of both dropships and warships.

This could be them all but I'm thinking there were others lost in little battles between the Clans since. Like Star Adders/Mongoose war Snow Ravens/Coyotes etc..


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Re: Quicksilver WarShips -Thoughts.
« Reply #97 on: September 24, 2018, 03:04:55 PM »

Id think an ideal Naval Star for a Clan would be

Corvette/Destroyer
Destroyer/Frigate
Light Cruiser/Carrier
Heavy Cruiser
Battleship

/ isn't for one or the other but to designate hybrids

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Re: Quicksilver WarShips -Thoughts.
« Reply #98 on: September 24, 2018, 03:29:08 PM »

Figured that would make a versatile Star of Warships.

If you did as Canon Ships would something like this

Vincent Mk 42
York
Congress
Sovetskii Soyuz
McKenna

Stay away from Corvettes as they are cannon fodder for the most part and Battleships because they are a resource hog. I'd possibly remove the Battleship for another Cruiser just for that reason.

If you did like Marauder says and more Cruiser based could be like this

Heavy Cruiser
Battlecruiser
Light Cruiser
Frigate/Carrier
Frigate

Canon Attempt would be
Sovetskii Soyuz
Aegis
Cameron
Black Lion
Congress

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Re: Quicksilver WarShips -Thoughts.
« Reply #99 on: September 24, 2018, 03:47:23 PM »

I wonder how Warships were originally distributed before and after Klondike. Because as we know 100 were lost during the Civil War and Klondike. Giving us 302. 20 Clans x 15 Warships a piece = 300. Prinz Eugen is the Prison Ship and McKenna's Pride as Clan Flagship. We have exactly the 302.

But we also know there were 10 different Mothballed Fleets spread around after Klondike. If you think 10 a piece in mothball. 10 a piece Clan you again get the 300 and 2 known not used.

Or do you think certain clans had an extra interest or disinterest in having some since their founding so someone like Horses may never had many while Snow Ravens always had a lot.

I lean towards option 3 because counting up the Wolverine Warships is equal to 10 but some of them it specifically mentions they took from the Clan Naval Caches.

Reading the Betrayal novel and Klondike makes it seem like each Clan had probably around 5 at their founding and they grew from there.
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Re: Quicksilver WarShips -Thoughts.
« Reply #100 on: September 24, 2018, 03:48:44 PM »

Just one fix, on Sarna there's 17 Yorks, the Clans built more or converted any Riga II they found into the York standard.
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Re: Quicksilver WarShips -Thoughts.
« Reply #101 on: September 24, 2018, 03:51:49 PM »

6 Yorks were converted Riga Destroyers the remaining ones were built afterwards.

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An astounding 26 Riga-class vessels survived the ensuing war, a testament to the capabilities of the new design. With the exception of four badly damaged craft, all of these left in the Exodus fleet. These compact and sophisticated vessels formed the largest single contingent in the fleet and subsequently became the primary patrol vessels of the Exodus fleet. The war that erupted between the remnants of the SLDF in the early 29th century claimed many of these vessels, however; only six of the Rigas that had accompanied Nicholas Kerensky to Strana Mechty survived. These surviving vessels served for more than 100 years. When new, post-Exodus designs began to gain the upper hand, the Rigas underwent extensive refits, in effect becoming a new class of WarShip. This new class, known as the York, began to operate in 2947 and enabled Clan Star Adder to defeat Clan Nova Cat in a trial for the BattleMech factory on Brim.

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Re: Quicksilver WarShips -Thoughts.
« Reply #102 on: September 24, 2018, 07:06:20 PM »

I didn't know that the two Conquerors being built by Snow Ravens are two of the 5 Kimagures that joined the exodus so theres another two for the list
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Re: Quicksilver WarShips -Thoughts.
« Reply #103 on: September 24, 2018, 08:41:54 PM »

Lot of great talk today gang.

I didn't know that the two Conquerors being built by Snow Ravens are two of the 5 Kimagures that joined the exodus so theres another two for the list

Yup the Conqueror upgrade from the Kimagure was done to escort the Leviathans originally.

I wanted to post a total list of Clan Warships 3052 which I just finished compiling, hope it matches Bradshaw!

Total Number 3052 (288 warships, 4 under construction)
- Leviathan class Battleships: [Leviathan, Great Bear - both under construction]
2 Newgrange class Yardships: Star Forge, Void Haven
7 McKenna class Battleship: Second Coming, Lei Kung, Cage’s Pride, James McKenna, Sovereign Right, Werewolf, McKenna’s Pride
6 Texas class Battleship: Falcon’s Nest, Veiled Huntress, Mountbatton, Nicholas Kerensky, Prinz Eugen, Ancestral Home*
29 Potemkin class Troop Cruiser: Renown, Wisdom of Ages, True Sight, Midnight Star, Morning Star, Poseidon, Titanic, Tsunami, Red Tide, Kraken, Jungle Heat, Enceladus, Karttikeya, Epimetheus, Prometheus, Steel Shield, Armageddon, Blood Horse, Coterie, Osis’ Pride, Wild Swan, Snow Flake, Bonaventure, Eden Rose, Rock, Treachery, Ophidian, Serpentes, Full Moon
8 Nightlord class Battleship: Absolute Truth, Great Coyote Spirit, Terror of the Deep, Ursa Major, Atropos, Emerald Talon, Snow Raven, Dark Asp
11 Black Lion class Battlecruiser: Rocinante, Bear's Den, Jade Aerie, White Aerie, Blue Aerie, Thunderbolt, Streaking Mist, Admiral William S. Preston, Implacable, Stealthy Kill, Blood Brinker
12 Cameron class Battlecruiser: Incense, Blood of the Coyote, Dieron's Run, Hephaestus, Sleipnir, Turkina’s Pride, Blizzard, Kerensky’s Hope, Ice Storm, Zalman’s Endeavor, Mother Jocasta, Bloody Fang
6 Liberator class Heavy Cruiser: Constantineau, Spirit in the Sky, Gauntlet, Korat, Jerome Winson, Victoria Ward
15 Sovetskii Soyuz class Heavy Cruiser: Carmine Justice, Divine Conquest, Steel Fang, Howling, Nagasawa, Reaver, Serket, Hawker, Pouncing Fury, White Cloud, Storm Crow, Avalanche, Nygaard, Sanra Mercer, Dire Wolf
1 Conqueror class Battlecruiser: Conqueror [Ark Royal - under construction]
10 Volga class Transports: Bold Venture, Speculator, Ursine Boatman, Andromeda, Mount Olympus, Scavenger, Tenacity, Cho Polu, Pompeii, Provider
36 Aegis class Heavy Cruiser: Exsanguine, Ares’s Might, Consequence, Inquisitor, Bloodlust, Corona Borealis, Corona Austrina, Taney, Chaos Sailor, Jade Talon, Janice Hazen, Frost Falcon, Gold Talon, Red Talon, White Talon, Black Talon, Blue Talon, Hawk Eye, Blood Oath, Bond, Promise, Blade, Path of Honor, Vision Quest, Principle, Chronicle, Rememberance, Black Justice, Blue Lancer, Blue Quest, Lord Death, Morning Violence, Scabbard, White Terror, Stellar Serpent, Steel Python
13 Congress class Frigate: Shining Claw, Bernlad, Garlon, Bucephalus, Green Lantern, Kerensky’s Pride, True Vision, FireCrest, Hunter’s Pride, Snow Leopard, Magpie, Snake Leader, Rogue
34 Lola III class Destroyer: Blood Fury, Hagar, Yodan, Cataclysm, Courage, Honor of Ages, Predator, Space Hunter, Rancor, Rage, Anathema, Blizzard, Icepick, Sagitta, Auriga, Black Knight, Red Knight, Gold Knight, Cold Hunter, Impaler, Radiant, Faithful, Devout, Storm Cat, Griffin, Bloody Talon, Cold Hunter, Spur, Vision of Terra, Cameron’s Flame, Warlock, Snake Pit, Anaconda, Natures Wrath
14 Essex class Destroyer: Tehuantepec, Windrunner, Sharon, Tracy, White Claw, White Fang, Orpheus, Moore’s Honor, Dark Claw, The Iowa, Sabre Cat, Eternity, Eagle, Martial Legacy
15 York class Destroyer/Carrier: Stooping Kite, Exodus Avenger, Exodus Crusader, Exodus Ranger, Exodus Sentinel, Brimstone, The Protector, Ursa Minor, Nebulous, Pack Leader, Anna Rosse, Lioness, Queen Lynx, Corvidae, Star Fire [Broken Sea - under construction]
8 Whirlwind class Destroyers: Fire Fang, Ursus, Emerald Tornado, Shadow Fang, William Adams, Drake, Constrictor, Snake in the Grass
22 Vincent Mk42 class Corvettes: Centaur, Pegasus, Tramp, Hertzog’s Staff, Firetender, Lightning Strike, Rightous Return, Far Vision, Spirit Vision, Ripper, Azov, Simas Osis, Ghostwalker, Huninn, Muninn, Vritra, Naga, Coiled Serpent, Trailblazer, Relentless Pursuit, Valiant, Killing Blow
23 Carrack class Transport: Pedigree, Vitriolic, Blind Faith, Solar Blaze, Star Swimmer, Devourer, Bloodletter, Firehold, Den Mother, Yggdrasil, Collrane, Golden Clydesdale, Maker, Ironhold Provider, True Path, Perilous Vision, Void, Pusher, Nestling, Venture Star, Black Adder, Pride of New Kent, Night Warrior
16 Fredasa class Corvettes: Hell Fury, Perdition’s Flame, Swift Strike, Black Ghost, Swift Bait, Hellion’s Pride, Whelp, Verdant Stoop, Spirit Sight, Future Triumph, Ocelot, Jaguarundi, Black Beard, Vicious Fang, Arcadian Asp, Pit Viper
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Re: Quicksilver WarShips -Thoughts.
« Reply #104 on: September 24, 2018, 10:53:42 PM »

A couple potential additional shipyards which may have been missed.

If the Tanite worlds exist in this timeline, Alexandra is said to have a small shipyard, thus another for the Burrocks.

Also another potential for clan Snow Raven: Crest Foundries.  We know for sure that it builds ASF, but the new one at Quatre Belle is built around a mobile factory and is very likely smaller than the original at Lum, this suggests that dropships may have been built at the original.
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