Topic: WarShips without Capital-scale Weapons (Read 3495 times)

masterarminas · « **on:** November 02, 2011, 11:37:05 PM »

With the canon universe moving away from WarShips (again!) and trying to make them extinct (or nearly so), I had the heretical thought that what would have happened if the game had never developed capital scale weaponry? How would it alter the universe if instead of NACs and NLs and N-PPCs, instead compact core WarShips had to be armed with the same guns every other unit uses? First and foremost, it means that WarShips can't bombard from orbit, making them bystanders to 'Mech battles on the surface. In effect, it makes the WarShip into a really big, really well-armored assault DropShip that is capable of moving itself between systems. Would there still be a role for them? I think so.

In this scenario, the WarShip still serves primarily as a tool for interdiction: if the enemies DropShips can't make to orbit, they can't affect the battle. Plus, there are many different types of industry in space, and the WarShip still threatens them. In short, we can still see WarShips, but not have them as 'uber-powerful' instruments of win.

Plus, we no longer have a need for all the different advanced types of armor. Standard armor works just as well given the new damage values of these ships--but they remain a hefty threat to DropShips (and even more so) to Aerospace Fighters.

With the massive amounts of space freed up by the lack of capital guns, it also makes sense to reduce the sizes of canon WarShips. I believe that an approximate reduction of 50% across the board will suffice. This would put the largest canon designs (pre-Clans) at the McKenna, which would now mass an even 1,000,000 tons, a bit more than twice the size of a Monolith. In order to keep things from getting out of hand with 70-point bays (which are doable with standard guns), I also suggest putting a limit on the maximum number of weapons in a single emplacement: four for lighter ships, six for cruisers and frigates, and perhaps as many as a dozen for battlewagons. Anything bay above four guns would get a +1 to hit penalty against fighters for every two guns (or fraction thereof) over four. That would allow destroyers and corvettes to retain their role as AA (anti-aerospace) vessels, and may make the designers of heavier ships also include lighter bays designed to engage ASF.

Anyway, just a few thoughts on the subject.

I have converted the Vincent-class Corvette according to my new scheme, showing here.

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                    AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
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Class/Model/Name:  Vincent 
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 2432
Vessel Type:       WarShip
Rules:             Level 2, Custom design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              210,000 tons
Hull:              Templar X-Plate
K-F Drive System:  KF Mark III-c
Length:            402 meters
Sail Diameter:     1,005 meters
Power Plant:       Howser 2G2 "Hotfires" Standard
Safe Thrust:       4
Maximum Thrust:    6
Armor Type:        Delhi 9800 Standard
Armament:          
   48 LRM 15
   32 Autocannon/10
   32 PPC
   16 Autocannon/20
   24 Medium Laser
   16 SRM 6
Manufacturer:   Delhi Warships
  Location:     Carver
Communications System:  Belden 405M
Targeting & Tracking System:  Ulsop Eagle-Eye 12
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Class/Model/Name:  Vincent 
Mass:              210,000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass  
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                       50,400.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 4
      Maximum Thrust: 6
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Compact (Integrity = 6)                 95,025.00
Jump Sail (Detachable): (Integrity = 3)                                 40.00
Structural Integrity: 50                                            10,500.00
Total Heat Sinks:    904 Single                                        542.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                  14,513.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:                525.00
Fire Control Computers:                                                128.00
Food & Water:  (360 days supply)                                       540.00
Armor Type:  Standard  (155 total armor pts)                           208.00
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                                 27
   Fore-Left/Right:                   27/27
   Aft-Left/Right:                    27/27
   Aft:                                  20

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Fighters (6) with 6 doors                                   900.00
   Bay 2:  Small Craft (4) with 2 doors                                800.00
   Bay 3:  Cargo (1) with 2 doors                                   21,080.00

Grav Decks #1 - 2:  (85-meter diameter)                                100.00
Escape Pods:  50 (7 tons each)                                         350.00

Crew and Passengers:
     23 Officers (23 minimum)                                          230.00
     87 Crew (64 minimum)                                              609.00
     28 Gunners (28 minimum)                                           196.00
    102 2nd Class Passengers                                           714.00
     28 Marines                                                        140.00
     32 Bay Personnel                                                     .00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
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3 LRM 15(120 rounds)       Nose     3(27)  3(27)  3(27)     --   15     36.00
3 LRM 15(120 rounds)       Nose     3(27)  3(27)  3(27)     --   15     36.00
4 Autocannon/10(160 rounds)Nose     4(40)  4(40)     --     --   12     64.00
4 PPC                      Nose     4(40)  4(40)     --     --   40     28.00
2 Autocannon/20(60 rounds) Nose     4(40)     --     --     --   14     40.00
3 Medium Laser             Nose     2(15)     --     --     --    9      3.00
2 SRM 6(60 rounds)         Nose     2(16)     --     --     --    8     10.00
3 LRM 15(120 rounds)       FL/R     3(27)  3(27)  3(27)     --   30     72.00
3 LRM 15(120 rounds)       FL/R     3(27)  3(27)  3(27)     --   30     72.00
4 Autocannon/10(160 rounds)FL/R     4(40)  4(40)     --     --   24    128.00
4 PPC                      FL/R     4(40)  4(40)     --     --   80     56.00
2 Autocannon/20(60 rounds) FL/R     4(40)     --     --     --   28     80.00
3 Medium Laser             FL/R     2(15)     --     --     --   18      6.00
2 SRM 6(60 rounds)         FL/R     2(16)     --     --     --   16     20.00
3 LRM 15(120 rounds)       L/RBS    3(27)  3(27)  3(27)     --   30     72.00
3 LRM 15(120 rounds)       L/RBS    3(27)  3(27)  3(27)     --   30     72.00
4 Autocannon/10(160 rounds)L/RBS    4(40)  4(40)     --     --   24    128.00
4 PPC                      L/RBS    4(40)  4(40)     --     --   80     56.00
2 Autocannon/20(60 rounds) L/RBS    4(40)     --     --     --   28     80.00
3 Medium Laser             L/RBS    2(15)     --     --     --   18      6.00
2 SRM 6(60 rounds)         L/RBS    2(16)     --     --     --   16     20.00
3 LRM 15(120 rounds)       AL/R     3(27)  3(27)  3(27)     --   30     72.00
3 LRM 15(120 rounds)       AL/R     3(27)  3(27)  3(27)     --   30     72.00
4 Autocannon/10(160 rounds)AL/R     4(40)  4(40)     --     --   24    128.00
4 PPC                      AL/R     4(40)  4(40)     --     --   80     56.00
2 Autocannon/20(60 rounds) AL/R     4(40)     --     --     --   28     80.00
3 Medium Laser             AL/R     2(15)     --     --     --   18      6.00
2 SRM 6(60 rounds)         AL/R     2(16)     --     --     --   16     20.00
3 LRM 15(120 rounds)       Aft      3(27)  3(27)  3(27)     --   15     36.00
3 LRM 15(120 rounds)       Aft      3(27)  3(27)  3(27)     --   15     36.00
4 Autocannon/10(160 rounds)Aft      4(40)  4(40)     --     --   12     64.00
4 PPC                      Aft      4(40)  4(40)     --     --   40     28.00
2 Autocannon/20(60 rounds) Aft      4(40)     --     --     --   14     40.00
3 Medium Laser             Aft      2(15)     --     --     --    9      3.00
2 SRM 6(60 rounds)         Aft      2(16)     --     --     --    8     10.00
1 Lot Spare Parts (5.00%)                                           10,500.00
32 Bay Personnel Quarters                                              224.00
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TOTALS:                                              Heat: 904     210,000.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        1,616,337,024 C-Bills
Battle Value:      41,912
Cost per BV:       38,565.02
Weapon Value:      21,002 (Ratio = .50)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 1,503;  MRV = 774;  LRV = 120;  ERV = 0
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 215,618
                   (67,044 Structure, 125,302 Life Support, 23,272 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 305,325  (142% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      Not applicable

Ok, she slimmed down by 50% to 210,000 tons. But, her armor protection actually increased even though I used standard armor (155 points versus 108). Both designs (mine and canon) are still 4/6, but I was able to increase the SI on my Vinnie by 10 points to 50, making her even tougher. She still has no docking collars, but carries six fighters and four small craft, along with 28 Marines, and capacity for 102 passengers or surplus naval personnel. She lost a lot of absolute range in the switch from capital to standard weapons, but gained an impressive amount of damage capacity, making her more than a match for any assault DropShip in existence (since there are no more nuclear armed capital missile boats around). Fighter squadrons should be frightened of our cousin Vinnie, here, because she can take them to town without breaking a sweat.

Including fuel, provisions and life support, spare parts, and general cargo space, she carries 46,348 tons, or about 22% of her total mass in cargo fraction. The old Vincent had 94,520 tons, or about 22.5%. Percentage wise, the two are close, but in absolute terms, she lost some of her ability to act as a cargo hauler. But that is why you have cargo DropShips, or compact core Transports. My Vinnie is designed to fight.

Give me some time, and I'll do the rest of the SLDF ships, or feel free to jump ahead and convert one or two yourselves. Post 'em below, and above all, let me know what you think. Until next time, friends!

Master Arminas

Takiro · « **Reply #1 on:** November 03, 2011, 06:11:20 AM »

Yeah your first sentence makes me want to cry. I know that the BattleMech is the central figure of the game but there is room for more. That is my opinion.

Perhaps there would never have been a split between Dropships and Jumpships in your scenario MA. The Compact Core Transport or CCT would make a far more rugged interstellar vessel than the standard jumpship and the only thing it could do presumably is land on planet. Why not make a true combo and go with something less than 100k tons that could land on world? It would be a nice niche for 50k to 100k ton vessels that really never developed. If we get a clever name going I think we got a new innovation.

Dragon Cat · « **Reply #2 on:** November 03, 2011, 09:26:18 AM »

Quote from: Takiro on November 03, 2011, 06:11:20 AM

Yeah your first sentence makes me want to cry. I know that the BattleMech is the central figure of the game but there is room for more. That is my opinion.

It isn't just yours

Blacknova · « **Reply #3 on:** November 03, 2011, 05:13:10 PM »

I licked my screen when reading your post, excellent idea, backed up by Takiro's thoughts would make a great way to use warships.

masterarminas · « **Reply #4 on:** November 03, 2011, 06:40:43 PM »

Okey-dokey, then. Here is the Whirlwind cut down to a 260,000 ton Light Destroyer. In this case, she lost a lot of armor (the drop in tonnage and switch to standard really, really hurt this ship, but with no capital scale guns, it is still more than adequete. It stayed at 4/6 thrust, but I bumped up the SI to 60 in partial compensation for the lower armor. The original had a cargo fraction of 69,209.5 tons (13.3%), while this version has a total cargo fraction of 54,323 tons (20.8%)--a substantial increase proportionally. She does carry a much heftier throw-weight than the Vincent class Corvette, including several advanced Star League weapon systems (Gauss Rifles, LB-10X autocannons, Ultra 5 autocannons, and Artemis IV fire control systems). Altogether, she is a fairly decent light destroyer for this scenario.

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                    AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
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Class/Model/Name:  Whirlwind 
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 2606
Vessel Type:       WarShip
Rules:             Level 2, Standard design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              260,000 tons
K-F Drive System:  (Unknown)
Length:            610 meters
Sail Diameter:     1,120 meters
Power Plant:       Standard
Safe Thrust:       4
Maximum Thrust:    6
Armor Type:        Standard
Armament:          
   24 LRM 20+ArtIV
   24 Gauss Rifle
   32 Ultra AC/5
   48 LB 10-X AC
   48 Large Laser
   32 Autocannon/20
   48 Medium Laser
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Whirlwind 
Mass:              260,000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass  
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                       62,400.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 4
      Maximum Thrust: 6
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Compact (Integrity = 7)                117,650.00
Jump Sail (Detachable): (Integrity = 3)                                 43.00
Structural Integrity: 60                                            15,600.00
Total Heat Sinks:    1,080 Single                                      682.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                  14,513.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:                650.00
Fire Control Computers:                                                216.00
Food & Water:  (360 days supply)                                       648.00
Armor Type:  Standard  (160 total armor pts)                           309.00
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                                 28
   Fore-Left/Right:                   28/28
   Aft-Left/Right:                    28/28
   Aft:                                  20

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Fighters (6) with 6 doors                                   900.00
   Bay 2:  Small Craft (4) with 2 doors                                800.00
   Bay 3:  Cargo (1) with 2 doors                                   26,447.00

Grav Decks #1 - 2:  (105-meter diameter)                               200.00
Life Boats:  10 (7 tons each)                                           70.00
Escape Pods:  60 (7 tons each)                                         420.00

Crew and Passengers:
     28 Officers (28 minimum)                                          280.00
     97 Crew (69 minimum)                                              679.00
     43 Gunners (43 minimum)                                           301.00
    132 2nd Class Passengers                                           924.00
     28 Marines                                                        140.00
     32 Bay Personnel                                                     .00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
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3 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Nose     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   18     53.00
3 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds)  Nose     5(45)  5(45)  5(45)     --    3     60.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   Nose     3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --    8     48.00
3 LB 10-X AC(120 rounds)   Nose     2(18)  2(18)     --     --    6     45.00
3 LB 10-X AC(120 rounds)   Nose     2(18)  2(18)     --     --    6     45.00
3 Large Laser              Nose     2(24)  2(24)     --     --   24     15.00
3 Large Laser              Nose     2(24)  2(24)     --     --   24     15.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) Nose     4(40)     --     --     --   14     38.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) Nose     4(40)     --     --     --   14     38.00
3 Medium Laser             Nose     2(15)     --     --     --    9      3.00
3 Medium Laser             Nose     2(15)     --     --     --    9      3.00
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) FL/R     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   36    106.00
3 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds)  FL/R     5(45)  5(45)  5(45)     --    6    120.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   FL/R     3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --   16     96.00
3 LB 10-X AC(120 rounds)   FL/R     2(18)  2(18)     --     --   12     90.00
3 LB 10-X AC(120 rounds)   FL/R     2(18)  2(18)     --     --   12     90.00
3 Large Laser              FL/R     2(24)  2(24)     --     --   48     30.00
3 Large Laser              FL/R     2(24)  2(24)     --     --   48     30.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) FL/R     4(40)     --     --     --   28     76.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) FL/R     4(40)     --     --     --   28     76.00
3 Medium Laser             FL/R     2(15)     --     --     --   18      6.00
3 Medium Laser             FL/R     2(15)     --     --     --   18      6.00
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) L/RBS    5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   36    106.00
3 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds)  L/RBS    5(45)  5(45)  5(45)     --    6    120.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   L/RBS    3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --   16     96.00
3 LB 10-X AC(120 rounds)   L/RBS    2(18)  2(18)     --     --   12     90.00
3 LB 10-X AC(120 rounds)   L/RBS    2(18)  2(18)     --     --   12     90.00
3 Large Laser              L/RBS    2(24)  2(24)     --     --   48     30.00
3 Large Laser              L/RBS    2(24)  2(24)     --     --   48     30.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) L/RBS    4(40)     --     --     --   28     76.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) L/RBS    4(40)     --     --     --   28     76.00
3 Medium Laser             L/RBS    2(15)     --     --     --   18      6.00
3 Medium Laser             L/RBS    2(15)     --     --     --   18      6.00
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) AL/R     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   36    106.00
3 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds)  AL/R     5(45)  5(45)  5(45)     --    6    120.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   AL/R     3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --   16     96.00
3 LB 10-X AC(120 rounds)   AL/R     2(18)  2(18)     --     --   12     90.00
3 LB 10-X AC(120 rounds)   AL/R     2(18)  2(18)     --     --   12     90.00
3 Large Laser              AL/R     2(24)  2(24)     --     --   48     30.00
3 Large Laser              AL/R     2(24)  2(24)     --     --   48     30.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) AL/R     4(40)     --     --     --   28     76.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) AL/R     4(40)     --     --     --   28     76.00
3 Medium Laser             AL/R     2(15)     --     --     --   18      6.00
3 Medium Laser             AL/R     2(15)     --     --     --   18      6.00
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(120 rounds) Aft      5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   18     53.00
3 Gauss Rifle(120 rounds)  Aft      5(45)  5(45)  5(45)     --    3     60.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   Aft      3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --    8     48.00
3 LB 10-X AC(120 rounds)   Aft      2(18)  2(18)     --     --    6     45.00
3 LB 10-X AC(120 rounds)   Aft      2(18)  2(18)     --     --    6     45.00
3 Large Laser              Aft      2(24)  2(24)     --     --   24     15.00
3 Large Laser              Aft      2(24)  2(24)     --     --   24     15.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) Aft      4(40)     --     --     --   14     38.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) Aft      4(40)     --     --     --   14     38.00
3 Medium Laser             Aft      2(15)     --     --     --    9      3.00
3 Medium Laser             Aft      2(15)     --     --     --    9      3.00
1 Lot Spare Parts (5.00%)                                           13,000.00
32 Bay Personnel Quarters                                              224.00
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TOTALS:                                            Heat: 1,080     260,000.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        1,743,373,024 C-Bills
Battle Value:      61,629
Cost per BV:       28,288.19
Weapon Value:      26,400 (Ratio = .43)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 2,310;  MRV = 1,184;  LRV = 269;  ERV = 0
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 292,182
                   (98,953 Structure, 154,565 Life Support, 38,664 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 371,700  (127% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      Not applicable

Since the SLDF Whirlwind is based on the Davion-class Destroyer, here is my take on the Davie in this shrunken universe. I removed all of the advanced weapons, and instead used basic Level 1 (although BattleTech doesn't use that term anymore) weapons, showing here.

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                    AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
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Class/Model/Name:  Davion 
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 2606
Vessel Type:       WarShip
Rules:             Level 2, Standard design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              260,000 tons
K-F Drive System:  (Unknown)
Length:            610 meters
Sail Diameter:     1,120 meters
Power Plant:       Standard
Safe Thrust:       4
Maximum Thrust:    6
Armor Type:        Standard
Armament:          
   48 LRM 20
   48 Autocannon/5
   48 Autocannon/10
   48 Large Laser
   32 Autocannon/20
   48 Medium Laser
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Class/Model/Name:  Davion 
Mass:              260,000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass  
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                       62,400.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 4
      Maximum Thrust: 6
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Compact (Integrity = 7)                117,650.00
Jump Sail (Detachable): (Integrity = 3)                                 43.00
Structural Integrity: 60                                            15,600.00
Total Heat Sinks:    1,232 Single                                      834.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                  14,513.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:                650.00
Fire Control Computers:                                                224.00
Food & Water:  (360 days supply)                                       648.00
Armor Type:  Standard  (160 total armor pts)                           309.00
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                                 28
   Fore-Left/Right:                   28/28
   Aft-Left/Right:                    28/28
   Aft:                                  20

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Fighters (6) with 6 doors                                   900.00
   Bay 2:  Small Craft (4) with 2 doors                                800.00
   Bay 3:  Cargo (1) with 2 doors                                   26,247.00

Grav Decks #1 - 2:  (105-meter diameter)                               200.00
Life Boats:  10 (7 tons each)                                           70.00
Escape Pods:  60 (7 tons each)                                         420.00

Crew and Passengers:
     28 Officers (28 minimum)                                          280.00
     97 Crew (69 minimum)                                              679.00
     46 Gunners (46 minimum)                                           322.00
    129 2nd Class Passengers                                           903.00
     28 Marines                                                        140.00
     32 Bay Personnel                                                     .00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
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3 LRM 20(120 rounds)       Nose     4(36)  4(36)  4(36)     --   18     50.00
3 LRM 20(120 rounds)       Nose     4(36)  4(36)  4(36)     --   18     50.00
3 Autocannon/5(120 rounds) Nose     2(15)  2(15)     --     --    3     30.00
3 Autocannon/5(120 rounds) Nose     2(15)  2(15)     --     --    3     30.00
3 Autocannon/10(120 rounds)Nose     3(30)  3(30)     --     --    9     48.00
3 Autocannon/10(120 rounds)Nose     3(30)  3(30)     --     --    9     48.00
3 Large Laser              Nose     2(24)  2(24)     --     --   24     15.00
3 Large Laser              Nose     2(24)  2(24)     --     --   24     15.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) Nose     4(40)     --     --     --   14     38.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) Nose     4(40)     --     --     --   14     38.00
3 Medium Laser             Nose     2(15)     --     --     --    9      3.00
3 Medium Laser             Nose     2(15)     --     --     --    9      3.00
3 LRM 20(120 rounds)       FL/R     4(36)  4(36)  4(36)     --   36    100.00
3 LRM 20(120 rounds)       FL/R     4(36)  4(36)  4(36)     --   36    100.00
3 Autocannon/5(120 rounds) FL/R     2(15)  2(15)     --     --    6     60.00
3 Autocannon/5(120 rounds) FL/R     2(15)  2(15)     --     --    6     60.00
3 Autocannon/10(120 rounds)FL/R     3(30)  3(30)     --     --   18     96.00
3 Autocannon/10(120 rounds)FL/R     3(30)  3(30)     --     --   18     96.00
3 Large Laser              FL/R     2(24)  2(24)     --     --   48     30.00
3 Large Laser              FL/R     2(24)  2(24)     --     --   48     30.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) FL/R     4(40)     --     --     --   28     76.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) FL/R     4(40)     --     --     --   28     76.00
3 Medium Laser             FL/R     2(15)     --     --     --   18      6.00
3 Medium Laser             FL/R     2(15)     --     --     --   18      6.00
3 LRM 20(120 rounds)       L/RBS    4(36)  4(36)  4(36)     --   36    100.00
3 LRM 20(120 rounds)       L/RBS    4(36)  4(36)  4(36)     --   36    100.00
3 Autocannon/5(120 rounds) L/RBS    2(15)  2(15)     --     --    6     60.00
3 Autocannon/5(120 rounds) L/RBS    2(15)  2(15)     --     --    6     60.00
3 Autocannon/10(120 rounds)L/RBS    3(30)  3(30)     --     --   18     96.00
3 Autocannon/10(120 rounds)L/RBS    3(30)  3(30)     --     --   18     96.00
3 Large Laser              L/RBS    2(24)  2(24)     --     --   48     30.00
3 Large Laser              L/RBS    2(24)  2(24)     --     --   48     30.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) L/RBS    4(40)     --     --     --   28     76.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) L/RBS    4(40)     --     --     --   28     76.00
3 Medium Laser             L/RBS    2(15)     --     --     --   18      6.00
3 Medium Laser             L/RBS    2(15)     --     --     --   18      6.00
3 LRM 20(120 rounds)       AL/R     4(36)  4(36)  4(36)     --   36    100.00
3 LRM 20(120 rounds)       AL/R     4(36)  4(36)  4(36)     --   36    100.00
3 Autocannon/5(120 rounds) AL/R     2(15)  2(15)     --     --    6     60.00
3 Autocannon/5(120 rounds) AL/R     2(15)  2(15)     --     --    6     60.00
3 Autocannon/10(120 rounds)AL/R     3(30)  3(30)     --     --   18     96.00
3 Autocannon/10(120 rounds)AL/R     3(30)  3(30)     --     --   18     96.00
3 Large Laser              AL/R     2(24)  2(24)     --     --   48     30.00
3 Large Laser              AL/R     2(24)  2(24)     --     --   48     30.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) AL/R     4(40)     --     --     --   28     76.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) AL/R     4(40)     --     --     --   28     76.00
3 Medium Laser             AL/R     2(15)     --     --     --   18      6.00
3 Medium Laser             AL/R     2(15)     --     --     --   18      6.00
3 LRM 20(120 rounds)       Aft      4(36)  4(36)  4(36)     --   18     50.00
3 LRM 20(120 rounds)       Aft      4(36)  4(36)  4(36)     --   18     50.00
3 Autocannon/5(120 rounds) Aft      2(15)  2(15)     --     --    3     30.00
3 Autocannon/5(120 rounds) Aft      2(15)  2(15)     --     --    3     30.00
3 Autocannon/10(120 rounds)Aft      3(30)  3(30)     --     --    9     48.00
3 Autocannon/10(120 rounds)Aft      3(30)  3(30)     --     --    9     48.00
3 Large Laser              Aft      2(24)  2(24)     --     --   24     15.00
3 Large Laser              Aft      2(24)  2(24)     --     --   24     15.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) Aft      4(40)     --     --     --   14     38.00
2 Autocannon/20(50 rounds) Aft      4(40)     --     --     --   14     38.00
3 Medium Laser             Aft      2(15)     --     --     --    9      3.00
3 Medium Laser             Aft      2(15)     --     --     --    9      3.00
1 Lot Spare Parts (5.00%)                                           13,000.00
32 Bay Personnel Quarters                                              224.00
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TOTALS:                                            Heat: 1,232     260,000.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        1,708,813,024 C-Bills
Battle Value:      55,667
Cost per BV:       30,697.06
Weapon Value:      25,641 (Ratio = .46)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 2,347;  MRV = 1,213;  LRV = 160;  ERV = 0
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 287,484
                   (98,951 Structure, 154,565 Life Support, 33,968 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 377,775  (131% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      Not applicable

Not quite as good without the advanced tech, but still servicable. You can definately see the difference between House and SLDF ships, however.

masterarminas · « **Reply #5 on:** November 03, 2011, 07:41:45 PM »

For the Essex-class Destroyer, I tried to keep the feel of the weapons arrangement. It too has shrunk down to just 310,000 tons, and in this case I bumped up the thrust from 3/5 to 4/6, keeping the SI at 60. It lost a bit of armor in the deal, but not too much. Cargo space was a major casualty, however, dropping from 132,077.5 tons (21.3%) to 65,283 (21.0%), although the proportions remained the same. This late Star League destroyer incorporates double-strength heat sinks, along with an array of advanced weapons that give it a farther reach than many escorts and patrol ships. Overall, it ain't bad.

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                    AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
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Class/Model/Name:  Essex 
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 2711
Vessel Type:       WarShip
Rules:             Level 2, Custom design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              310,000 tons
Hull:              Ferromite 90R
K-F Drive System:  KF Tri-Mark V
Length:            615 meters
Sail Diameter:     1,120 meters
Power Plant:       Intersystem Class VII's Standard
Safe Thrust:       4
Maximum Thrust:    6
Armor Type:        MVT CL200 Standard
Armament:          
   24 LRM 20+ArtIV
  128 Ultra AC/5
   64 ER Large Laser
   64 ER PPC
   64 Large Pulse Laser
Manufacturer:   Mitchell Vehicles
  Location:     Graham IV
Communications System:  Marcon DIY
Targeting & Tracking System:  Diamond XR3
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Class/Model/Name:  Essex 
Mass:              310,000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass  
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                       74,400.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 4
      Maximum Thrust: 6
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Compact (Integrity = 8)                140,275.00
Jump Sail (Detachable): (Integrity = 3)                                 46.00
Structural Integrity: 60                                            18,600.00
Total Heat Sinks:    1,384 Double                                      954.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                  14,513.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:                775.00
Fire Control Computers:                                                384.00
Food & Water:  (360 days supply)                                       756.00
Armor Type:  Standard  (184 total armor pts)                           369.00
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                                 32
   Fore-Left/Right:                   32/32
   Aft-Left/Right:                    32/32
   Aft:                                  24

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Fighters (6) with 6 doors                                   900.00
   Bay 2:  Small Craft (4) with 2 doors                                800.00
   Bay 3:  Cargo (1) with 2 doors                                   34,799.00

Grav Decks #1 - 2:  (115-meter diameter)                               200.00
Escape Pods:  70 (7 tons each)                                         490.00

Crew and Passengers:
     33 Officers (33 minimum)                                          330.00
    107 Crew (74 minimum)                                              749.00
     58 Gunners (58 minimum)                                           406.00
    162 2nd Class Passengers                                         1,134.00
     28 Marines                                                        140.00
     32 Bay Personnel                                                     .00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(180 rounds) Nose     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   18     63.00
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(180 rounds) Nose     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   18     63.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   Nose     3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --    8     48.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   Nose     3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --    8     48.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   Nose     3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --    8     48.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   Nose     3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --    8     48.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   Nose     3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --    8     48.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   Nose     3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --    8     48.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   Nose     3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --    8     48.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   Nose     3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --    8     48.00
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(180 rounds) FL/R     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   36    126.00
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(180 rounds) FL/R     5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   36    126.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   FL/R     3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --   16     96.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   FL/R     3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --   16     96.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   FL/R     3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --   16     96.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   FL/R     3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --   16     96.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   FL/R     3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --   16     96.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   FL/R     3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --   16     96.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   FL/R     3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --   16     96.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   FL/R     3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --   16     96.00
4 ER Large Laser           L/RBS    3(32)  3(32)  3(32)     --   96     40.00
4 ER Large Laser           L/RBS    3(32)  3(32)  3(32)     --   96     40.00
4 ER Large Laser           L/RBS    3(32)  3(32)  3(32)     --   96     40.00
4 ER Large Laser           L/RBS    3(32)  3(32)  3(32)     --   96     40.00
4 ER PPC                   L/RBS    4(40)  4(40)  4(40)     --  120     56.00
4 ER PPC                   L/RBS    4(40)  4(40)  4(40)     --  120     56.00
4 ER PPC                   L/RBS    4(40)  4(40)  4(40)     --  120     56.00
4 ER PPC                   L/RBS    4(40)  4(40)  4(40)     --  120     56.00
4 Large Pulse Laser        L/RBS    4(36)  4(36)     --     --   80     56.00
4 Large Pulse Laser        L/RBS    4(36)  4(36)     --     --   80     56.00
4 Large Pulse Laser        L/RBS    4(36)  4(36)     --     --   80     56.00
4 Large Pulse Laser        L/RBS    4(36)  4(36)     --     --   80     56.00
4 ER Large Laser           AL/R     3(32)  3(32)  3(32)     --   96     40.00
4 ER Large Laser           AL/R     3(32)  3(32)  3(32)     --   96     40.00
4 ER Large Laser           AL/R     3(32)  3(32)  3(32)     --   96     40.00
4 ER Large Laser           AL/R     3(32)  3(32)  3(32)     --   96     40.00
4 ER PPC                   AL/R     4(40)  4(40)  4(40)     --  120     56.00
4 ER PPC                   AL/R     4(40)  4(40)  4(40)     --  120     56.00
4 ER PPC                   AL/R     4(40)  4(40)  4(40)     --  120     56.00
4 ER PPC                   AL/R     4(40)  4(40)  4(40)     --  120     56.00
4 Large Pulse Laser        AL/R     4(36)  4(36)     --     --   80     56.00
4 Large Pulse Laser        AL/R     4(36)  4(36)     --     --   80     56.00
4 Large Pulse Laser        AL/R     4(36)  4(36)     --     --   80     56.00
4 Large Pulse Laser        AL/R     4(36)  4(36)     --     --   80     56.00
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(180 rounds) Aft      5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   18     63.00
3 LRM 20+ArtIV(180 rounds) Aft      5(48)  5(48)  5(48)     --   18     63.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   Aft      3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --    8     48.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   Aft      3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --    8     48.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   Aft      3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --    8     48.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   Aft      3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --    8     48.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   Aft      3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --    8     48.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   Aft      3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --    8     48.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   Aft      3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --    8     48.00
4 Ultra AC/5(240 rounds)   Aft      3(28)  3(28)  3(28)     --    8     48.00
1 Lot Spare Parts (5.00%)                                           15,500.00
32 Bay Personnel Quarters                                              224.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                            Heat: 2,768     310,000.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        1,827,997,024 C-Bills
Battle Value:      68,430
Cost per BV:       26,713.39
Weapon Value:      31,661 (Ratio = .46)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 2,805;  MRV = 2,284;  LRV = 676;  ERV = 0
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 319,632
                   (80,052 Structure, 183,828 Life Support, 55,752 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 438,075  (137% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      Not applicable

Takiro · « **Reply #6 on:** November 03, 2011, 08:04:42 PM »

Interesting stuff MA! Maybe I'll start another thread for my Super Droppers with KF Core.

masterarminas · « **Reply #7 on:** November 03, 2011, 08:18:40 PM »

Or post them here. It is really interesting idea, but I wanted to get the 'canon' ships out of the way first.

MA

Takiro · « **Reply #8 on:** November 03, 2011, 10:53:47 PM »

Well the basic concept is Heavy Dropship massing 50,000 tons to 100,000 tons equipped with a Compact KF Core that can transit interstellar space as well as planetary atmospheres.

I believe the old rules made creation of 50,000 ton warships possible and I'm not sure what the new Micro KF Core involves.

Limitations would include no capital grade weapons except for missile tubes as per dropships

Would these vessels have a role?

What would their name be? Super Dropper, Mega Droppers???

masterarminas · « **Reply #9 on:** November 03, 2011, 11:07:38 PM »

Assault Landing Ship?

MA

masterarminas · « **Reply #10 on:** November 03, 2011, 11:36:43 PM »

One thing I noticed when trying to do Takiro's atmo-capable WarDropper was that the way armor works in small WarShips and large DropShips means that you could get heavier protection from less tonnage from a traditional Dropper. The very small size makes very high SI mandatory to even get close to what a DropShip could have. Of course, that high SI has advantages of its own. Anyway, were is an example, the Normandy class Assault Landing Ship.

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                    AeroTech 2 Vessel Technical Readout
                                  VALIDATED

Class/Model/Name:  Normandy 
Tech:              Inner Sphere / 2750
Vessel Type:       WarShip
Rules:             Level 3, Custom design
Rules Set:         AeroTech2

Mass:              80,000 tons
K-F Drive System:  (Unknown)
Length:            260 meters
Sail Diameter:     825 meters
Power Plant:       Standard
Safe Thrust:       3
Maximum Thrust:    5
Armor Type:        Standard
Armament:          
   16 LRM 15
   24 Autocannon/5
   16 Autocannon/10
   16 PPC
   16 Large Laser
   16 SRM 6
   16 Autocannon/20
   24 Medium Laser
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Class/Model/Name:  Normandy 
Mass:              80,000 tons

Equipment:                                                            Mass  
Power Plant, Drive & Control:                                       14,400.00
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 3
      Maximum Thrust: 5
Kearny-Fuchida Hyperdrive:  Compact (Integrity = 3)                 36,200.00
Jump Sail (Detachable): (Integrity = 3)                                 34.00
Structural Integrity: 70                                             5,600.00
Total Heat Sinks:    688 Single                                        474.00
Fuel & Fuel Pumps:                                                   3,589.00
Bridge, Controls, Radar, Computer & Attitude Thrusters:                200.00
Fire Control Computers:                                                   .00
Food & Water:  (360 days supply)                                       540.00
Armor Type:  Standard  (132 total armor pts)                           112.00
                           Capital Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Fore:                                 23
   Fore-Left/Right:                   23/23
   Aft-Left/Right:                    23/23
   Aft:                                  17

Cargo:
   Bay 1:  Fighters (6) with 2 doors                                   900.00
   Bay 2:  Small Craft (2) with 2 doors                                400.00
   Bay 3:  BattleMechs (36) with 4 doors                             5,400.00
   Bay 4:  Cargo (1) with 2 doors                                    4,414.00

Grav Decks #1 - 2:  (95-meter diameter)                                100.00
Escape Pods:  50 (7 tons each)                                         350.00

Crew and Passengers:
     17 Officers (17 minimum)                                          170.00
     61 Crew (44 minimum)                                              427.00
     24 Gunners (24 minimum)                                           168.00
     20 2nd Class Passengers                                           140.00
     84 Marines                                                        420.00
     94 Bay Personnel                                                     .00
Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 LRM 15(80 rounds)        Nose     2(18)  2(18)  2(18)     --   10     24.00
3 Autocannon/5(120 rounds) Nose     2(15)  2(15)     --     --    3     30.00
2 Autocannon/10(80 rounds) Nose     2(20)  2(20)     --     --    6     32.00
2 PPC                      Nose     2(20)  2(20)     --     --   20     14.00
2 Large Laser              Nose     2(16)  2(16)     --     --   16     10.00
2 SRM 6(60 rounds)         Nose     2(16)     --     --     --    8     10.00
2 Autocannon/20(60 rounds) Nose     4(40)     --     --     --   14     40.00
3 Medium Laser             Nose     2(15)     --     --     --    9      3.00
2 LRM 15(80 rounds)        FL/R     2(18)  2(18)  2(18)     --   20     48.00
3 Autocannon/5(120 rounds) FL/R     2(15)  2(15)     --     --    6     60.00
2 Autocannon/10(80 rounds) FL/R     2(20)  2(20)     --     --   12     64.00
2 PPC                      FL/R     2(20)  2(20)     --     --   40     28.00
2 Large Laser              FL/R     2(16)  2(16)     --     --   32     20.00
2 SRM 6(60 rounds)         FL/R     2(16)     --     --     --   16     20.00
2 Autocannon/20(60 rounds) FL/R     4(40)     --     --     --   28     80.00
3 Medium Laser             FL/R     2(15)     --     --     --   18      6.00
2 LRM 15(80 rounds)        L/RBS    2(18)  2(18)  2(18)     --   20     48.00
3 Autocannon/5(120 rounds) L/RBS    2(15)  2(15)     --     --    6     60.00
2 Autocannon/10(80 rounds) L/RBS    2(20)  2(20)     --     --   12     64.00
2 PPC                      L/RBS    2(20)  2(20)     --     --   40     28.00
2 Large Laser              L/RBS    2(16)  2(16)     --     --   32     20.00
2 SRM 6(60 rounds)         L/RBS    2(16)     --     --     --   16     20.00
2 Autocannon/20(60 rounds) L/RBS    4(40)     --     --     --   28     80.00
3 Medium Laser             L/RBS    2(15)     --     --     --   18      6.00
2 LRM 15(80 rounds)        AL/R     2(18)  2(18)  2(18)     --   20     48.00
3 Autocannon/5(120 rounds) AL/R     2(15)  2(15)     --     --    6     60.00
2 Autocannon/10(80 rounds) AL/R     2(20)  2(20)     --     --   12     64.00
2 PPC                      AL/R     2(20)  2(20)     --     --   40     28.00
2 Large Laser              AL/R     2(16)  2(16)     --     --   32     20.00
2 SRM 6(60 rounds)         AL/R     2(16)     --     --     --   16     20.00
2 Autocannon/20(60 rounds) AL/R     4(40)     --     --     --   28     80.00
3 Medium Laser             AL/R     2(15)     --     --     --   18      6.00
2 LRM 15(80 rounds)        Aft      2(18)  2(18)  2(18)     --   10     24.00
3 Autocannon/5(120 rounds) Aft      2(15)  2(15)     --     --    3     30.00
2 Autocannon/10(80 rounds) Aft      2(20)  2(20)     --     --    6     32.00
2 PPC                      Aft      2(20)  2(20)     --     --   20     14.00
2 Large Laser              Aft      2(16)  2(16)     --     --   16     10.00
2 SRM 6(60 rounds)         Aft      2(16)     --     --     --    8     10.00
2 Autocannon/20(60 rounds) Aft      4(40)     --     --     --   14     40.00
3 Medium Laser             Aft      2(15)     --     --     --    9      3.00
1 Lot Spare Parts (5.00%)                                            4,000.00
94 Bay Personnel Quarters                                              658.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                              Heat: 688      80,000.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        1,504,707,344 C-Bills
Battle Value:      22,426
Cost per BV:       67,096.56
Weapon Value:      15,777 (Ratio = .70)
Damage Factors:    SRV = 1,173;  MRV = 514;  LRV = 40;  ERV = 0
Maintenance:       Maintenance Point Value (MPV) = 129,320
                   (64,396 Structure, 47,420 Life Support, 17,504 Weapons)
                   Support Points (SP) = 116,705  (90% of MPV)
BattleForce2:      Not applicable

It is basically a jump-capable Overlord with a LOT more weapons. Carries 36 'Mechs, 6 ASF, and a company of infantry (marines). Same speed as an Overlord, but three times as massive, and a very powerful array of guns. That SI of 70 means it is a brute, and can absorb damage forever once the armor is pierced (if criticals don't kill it, that is). It has heavier armor than the Overlord as well, and can operate for a fairly long duration. It is also seven times heavier than an Overlord and costs a whole lot more.

I leave it up to you to decide if this is how you want to go.

Master Arminas

Gabriel · « **Reply #11 on:** November 04, 2011, 12:02:39 AM »

Yeah this is wicked. More great work please.

Dragon Cat · « **Reply #12 on:** November 04, 2011, 10:59:28 PM »

Quote from: Takiro on November 03, 2011, 10:53:47 PM

Well the basic concept is Heavy Dropship massing 50,000 tons to 100,000 tons equipped with a Compact KF Core that can transit interstellar space as well as planetary atmospheres.

I believe the old rules made creation of 50,000 ton warships possible and I'm not sure what the new Micro KF Core involves.

Limitations would include no capital grade weapons except for missile tubes as per dropships

Would these vessels have a role?

What would their name be? Super Dropper, Mega Droppers???

The Sub-Compact K-F Core can be as small as 5,000 tons as large as 25,000 tons, weigh 50% unit's tonnage and can carry no DroShip Collars it's also very expensive x16 multiplier I think.

so there's still a gap between standard WarShips and the Sub-Compacts As of yet nothing about atmosphere entries but it follows standard K-F rules so unlikely able to enter.

It has been questioned on the CBT forum about venting the K-F shutting it down to allow a ship to land however nothing official on this maybe Interstellar Ops

Takiro · « **Reply #13 on:** November 05, 2011, 05:50:06 PM »

Thanks for the information Dragon Cat - just what I was looking for.

Sorry gang been working a lot and my brain is seriously drained. Just as a guide line for fairness these vessel as hybrid designs would use the construction rules least favor to each. I haven't looked at what that might be yet but for example if warship engines weigh more than dropship engines I'd follow warship rules. Likewise if dropship SI/armor was better than warship SI/armor I'd follow dropship rules. Again I'm not sure of up from down right now being in a state of mental meltdown but I hope you follow the logic there. Shouldn't make the hybrid suck by any means but will avoid talk of munch.

Takiro · « **Reply #14 on:** November 06, 2011, 06:35:30 AM »

Ok folks have some naming ideas and I like the top two most.

Landships - as they are space ships designed to land on planetary surfaces it is a good simple fit. Landers also have a BattleTech ring to them that other proposals don't cause everything is a ______ship.
Aerostars - takes from Aerospace fighter and gives you star to star transport only thing is it sounds a little too BattleStar Galactica.
Wardroppers - combination of Warship and Dropship which it is but the name lacks something
Uniship - short for Universal Ship
Tranship - short for Transport Ship

Fluff wise introducing them in BT Shattered Dawn is quite ideal. In the Jumpship Massacre that is the Succession War these ships are introduced by the Terran Republic after 2800 to help fill the void. Despite the price tag which should be high their military applications are obvious. Should make superb raiders in theory although this is just an assumption. Might try a straight conversion of the Mammoth Dropship as the first ship of this type because it is the right size and can land on planet somthing a Behemoth can't do.

I can't really see that much of an issue for KF Drives landing on planet. Obviously you can't use them their because of jump mechanics make such operations in a gravity well impossible. However that being said it is an interesting Robotechy way to commit suicide if you activate said Jump facilities. Increased maintenance would likely be a necessity give repeated exposures to gravities.

I'd like to thank MasterArminas for the original idea and his concept designs. Great stuff!

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