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Re: Reunification War
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2011, 05:28:46 PM »

Now we are cooking with gas! In addition to what I've already wrote here are three more,

- Internal Political Divisions of the Hegemony is a topic I'd like to go into in depth. The new map presented is interesting but needs some background. I'll talk about my old way of thinking (Big Provinces vs. Old Provinces) and McKenna's Campaigns of Persuasion. This all pertains to changes with the creation of the Star League like the Corps (which I original thought represented Big Provinces) and the supremacy of new Terran worlds (Lonestar, Lockdale, and Tyrfing for example). Perhaps a Periphery intel report speculating on the weaknesses of the SL. Might be a nice angle.

- Fate of the Orion. What happened to John Cameron as outlined in the SLSB page 42 and his ship? This is a good motivator for the First Lord not referred to once in the Historical.

- The Illyrian Theater.  ;) Irose knows what I'm talking about...
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Re: Reunification War
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2011, 05:43:52 PM »

- The Illyrian Theater.  ;) Irose knows what I'm talking about...

Actually you can expand that to cover independent worlds & minor states of the Periphery - there had to be more then just Illyria.  I was a bit disappointed when I saw Illyria on the map for 2600 but no mention of it anywhere in the book.
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Re: Reunification War
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2011, 05:53:57 PM »

As was I my friend. Minor Theaters is a definite add here. Was thinking perhaps of letting the SL Navy handle it.

Oh and we shall have to search the old Naval Archive for a Ships of the Reunification War.  ;)
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Re: Reunification War
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2011, 05:55:49 PM »

Here we go Full Speed Ahead.
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Re: Reunification War
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2011, 11:23:46 PM »

You are welcome to use my old Knight class cruiser for the Davions if you need one--I've reposted it in the aerospace section.

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Re: Reunification War
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2011, 03:08:19 PM »

We should come up with Taurian armor units and maybe aerospace fighters.

Ask MasterArminas.
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Re: Reunification War
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2011, 08:19:23 PM »

Just wanted to put a list of ships from the olde Naval Archive here. You might see them in our Supplemental.

Capellan Confederation
Ship Type & Class         Mass      Thrust   SI   Introduced   In Class
Confederation class A. Transport   410,000   2/3      40   2382      267   Irose
Garami class Frigate         640,000   4/6      80   2430      140   Takiro
Andurien Class Battlecruiser                              Irose

Draconis Combine
Ship Type & Class         Mass      Thrust   SI   Introduced   In Class
Wave class Destroyer         400,000    4/6      40   2577      7   LN
Cloud class Destroyer         500,000   4/6      60   2540      300   LN
Kirov class Heavy Cruiser      680,000   2/3      60   2430      31   LN
Yama Neko class Light Cruiser      700,000   3/5      50   2407      87   LN
Sultan class Heavy Cruiser      800,000   2/3      70   2370      97   LN
Sultan II class Heavy Cruiser      800,000   2/3      70   2400      55   LN

Federated Suns
Ship Type & Class         Mass      Thrust   SI   Introduced   In Class
Audacious class Corvette       180,000   3/5      40   2343      224   Irose
Sunburst class Destroyer      475,000   3/5      50   2369      164   Irose
St. George class Frigate      700,000   3/5      85   2457      170   Irose
Majestic Class Cruiser         730,000   2/3      85   2444      12   Irose
Delevan class Strike Cruiser       750,000   3/5      75   2309      16   LN
Nova Zemlya class Strike Cruiser    750,000   3/5      75   2400      88   LN
June class Strike Cruiser       750,000   3/5      75   2450      47   LN
Rodney class Medium Cruiser      760,000   3/5      80   2560      79   LN
Musketeer class Battlecruiser      880,000   3/5      100   2425      30   Irose
Iron Duke class Battleship      1,000,000   3/5      100   2507      50   LN

Free Worlds League
Ship Type & Class         Mass      Thrust   SI   Introduced   In Class
Fulbaum class Destroyer      470,000   4/6      60   2530      60   LN
Oriente class Frigate         700,000   3/5      80   2575      207   LN

Lyran Commonwealth
Ship Type & Class         Mass      Thrust   SI   Introduced   In Class
Freedom class Corvette         100,000   3/5*      50   2350      100   Takiro
Prosperity class Transport      250,000   Â½*      25   2399      350   Takiro
Mako class Corvette         400,000   4/6      90   2418      210   Takiro
Marsden class Destroyer      420,000   2/3*      50   2355      135   Takiro
Long March class Destroyer       500,000   3/5      70   2421      180   Takiro
Viking class Transport         500,000   2/3      35   2420      150   Takiro
Sentinel class Light Frigate      570,000   3/5*      55   2399      58   Takiro
Valkyrie class Destroyer       580,000   3/5      75   2558      250   Takiro
Nightstalker class Light Cruiser   680,000   3/5*      60   2400      30   Takiro
Victory class Frigate         720,000   3/5*      100   2370      275   Irose
Balmung class Frigate         750,000   3/5      80   2560      170   Takiro
Lyre class Heavy Cruiser      810,000   2/3*      70   2360      90   Takiro
Brandenberg class Heavy Cruiser   830,000   2/3      85   2424      70   Takiro
Gauntlet class Heavy Cruiser      850,000   2/3      90   2572      137   Takiro
Arcturus class Battleship (Hvy Cr)   890,000   2/3*      85   2365      48   Takiro
Tirpitz class Battleship         1,150,000   2/3*      90   2403      34   Takiro
Thor class Battleship         1,500,000   2/3      90   2590       30   Irose

Taurian Concordat
Ship Type & Class         Mass      Thrust   SI   Introduced   In Class
R class Corvette            180,000   4/6      60   Mid 2400s?   ?   LN
Bulldog class Corvette         200,000   4/6      60   2516      40   LN
Defiant class Corvette          220,000   3/5      50   2366      60   LN
Boxer class Destroyer         400,000   4/6      60   2572      14   LN
Gideon class Destroyer         430,000   3/5      100   2460      40   LN
Armageddon class Attack Ship   450,000   5/8      75   NA(Late 2580s) 0   Irose
Independence class Destroyer    480,000   4/6      60   2550?    20?    LN
Lexington clss Light Strike Carrier   500,000   4/6      60   2579       2   Irose
Rattlesnake class Light Frigate   500,000   3/5      80   2575      1   LN
Trailblazer class Explorer Ship       500,000   2/3      60   2497       20-25   Irose
Winchester (Taurian) clss Hvy Cr.   650,000   3/5      70   2561      16-20   LN
Deception class Cruiser         750,000   3/5      75   2583?      2?   Irose
Basho class Patrol Frigate      800,000   4/6      180   2577      2   LN
Jamestown class Battlecruiser      890,000   3/5      120   NA (2590)   0   LN
Monsoon (Taurian) class B-ship    900,000   2/3      80   2410 (2571) 6   LN

Magistracy of Canopus
Ship Type & Class         Mass      Thrust   SI   Introduced   In Class
Amazon class Corvette         190,000   4/6      40   2542      100   Irose
Canopus class Destroyer      425,000   4/6      50   2547      24   Irose
Magistracy class Cruiser      675,000   4/6      60   2564      4   Irose
Centrella class Command Cruiser   675,000   4/6      60   2566      2   Irose

Outworlds Alliance
Ship Type & Class         Mass      Thrust   SI   Introduced   In Class
Consadine class Escort         470,000   5/8      50   2582      3   Takiro


Master Arminas has already submitted a few, I'll list them below
Fury class Aerospace Fighter (TC)   65
Daedlus class Destroyer (FS)
Knight class Cruiser (FS)

Knightmare's Devonshire S7 stuff has a few designs that are era relevant, perhaps the old Terran dropships could be Periphery ones now??
Manstein class Dropshop (TH)
Guderian class Dropship (TH)
Blackhaus class Dropship (TH)
Kyoto class Destroyer (DC)
Stewart class Destroyer (FWL)
Hefron class Destroyer (RWR)

And I still have to go over TRO 2800! ::)
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Re: Reunification War
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2011, 10:13:06 PM »

Ships from TRO 2800 that served in the Reunification War

Jumpships (all save the Venture are available)
Cargo class Jumpship (2420) [All Factions]
Courier class Jumpship (2504) [Star League]
Pioneer class Jumpship (2550) [Star League]
Vanguard class Jumpship (2552) [Star League]
Trader class Jumpship (2480) [All Factions]
Scion class Jumpship (2440) [Star League]
Leviathan class Jumpship (2568) [Star League]

Dropships (only 2 civilian transports qualified)
Black Ball class Freighter (2450) [All Factions]
Purveyor class Civilian Transport (2455) [All Factions]

Capellan Confederation Navy (CCN)
Confederation class Transport (2372)
Ji class Corvette (2412)
Slava I class Destroyer (? Indicated in the Slava II fluff)
Nightstalker class Light Cruiser (LC at this time but available)
Andurien class Battlecruiser (2412)

Draconis Combine Admiralty (DCA)
Kumo class Destroyer
Nami class Destroyer

Federated Suns Naval Service (FSNS)
Audacious I class Corvette (2343)
Sunburst class Destroyer (2369)
St. George class Transport (2425, classified as a Frigate at this time)
Rodney I class Cruiser (2563, also a SL warship)
Musketeer class Battlecruiser (2425)
Iron Duke class Battleship (2507)

Free Worlds League Navy (FWLN)
Guardian class Corvette (2584)
Libertad I & II class Corvette (2563 & 2595)
Fulbaum class Destroyer (2530)
Aristotle class Transport (2540) [All Factions]
Stewart class Destroyer (2469)
Aeneas class Cruiser (2595)

Lyran Commonwealth Navy (LCN)
Marsden class Destroyer (?, pointed to in Dinesen fluff)
Viking class Transport (2420)
Valkryie class Destroyer (2558)
Victory class Frigate (?, pointed to in Icarus and McQuiston fluff)
Balmung class Frigate (2560)
Brandenberg class Heavy Cruiser (2424)
Gauntlet I class Heavy Cruiser (2572)
Arcturus class Battlecruiser (2405)
Tirpitz class Battleship (2403)
Thor class Battleship (2590)

Terran Royal Navy (TRN)
Vulcan class Tender (2591, SLDF)
Catalyst class Tanker (2587, SLDF)

Now to catalog all canon designs!
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Re: Reunification War
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2011, 07:37:54 PM »

Along with fixing and detailing the militaries of every great power of the time I'd like to get into some guns for hire. Mercenaries could very well be on the rise at this time.
The birth of the Illician Lancers is one event I'd like to delve into as well the RWR use of mercs. Stefan Amaris used them extensively during his infamous Coup and perhaps
this is where it all began. The relationship between soldiers of fortune and House Amaris could of ironically had its genesis during the conflict as Gregory Amaris generously
(in my vision) funds the creation of new "foreign legions" to crush rebellions in his far flung empire. Did the Greenhaven Gestapo, the Burning Tygers, or other infamous merc
commands get their start here? Was thinking of this as a parallel to what Qadafi tried to do in Libya. Thoughts??
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Re: Reunification War
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2011, 07:42:53 PM »

to go with the list Takiro i will add the Liam's Ghost Nav Archive here as well

http://web.archive.org/web/20090810123919/geocities.com/master_sun2000/NavArchive.html
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Re: Reunification War
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2011, 07:47:25 PM »

Mercenaries could very well be on the rise at this time.

This was mentioned in the book. With the draw down of house units, many warriors turned merc- and were then hired to help fill the gaps caused by the force draw down dictated by Cameron.  I'll find the specific passage and post it later.
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« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2011, 07:54:22 PM »

I do remember the reference vaguely Irose. Be great if you could post it. Do you like the ideas behind my expansion on the topic?
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« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2011, 08:27:41 PM »

well we do have the Illician Lancers Unit

History

Formed 2572 by members of the Illician Order (ancient military brotherhood). They worked for every Star League member state and also for the SLDF for the next two centuries. two Regiments were destroyed (First and Seventh Illician Rangers) by the final assault of Terra. During the Succession Wars the Lancers were reduced first to half of its original strength and in the 3rd Succession War must sell most of its JumpShip assets for normal operations after a disastrous contract with the CCAF. Since this time they were employed by the AFFC. The High Command assigned them as part of the Capellan March defense network.
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« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2011, 08:43:54 PM »

well we do have the Illician Lancers Unit

True dat! I always liked them and would like to expand on their early history.  ;)
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« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2011, 09:20:47 PM »

Page 18:
Though the political necessity of reducing the Great House militaries is hard to dispute, the mechanism for doing so—forced downsizing—caused almost as many problems as it solved. Many House troops suddenly found themselves without employment, made redundant to meet the quotas established by the Star League Accords, and a number turned to banditry. Others attempted to make an honest living, gaining employment with planetary militias and the like, but the demobilizations are acknowledged as a
key factor in the significant upsurge of violent crimes in the 2570s.

In 2572, scarcely a year after the League’s founding, many of the House Lords contemplated abrogating the elements of the Accords that required downscaling of their militaries. Only Ian Cameron and Viola Steiner-Dinesen opposed the proposals to solve the chaos
being caused by the “demobbed” troops. The First Lord disagreed, proposing instead to find employment for the former troops during the massed exercises he had in mind.The garrison duties required during the United Triumph exercises provided one short-term outlet for
these troops but the longer-term prognosis wasn’t good. The Reunification War was in some regards fortuitous (suspiciously so in the minds of some), bolstering the need for garrison troops but also offering a host of opportunities for private security consultants:
mercenaries.

A profession almost as old as war itself, the mercenary trade had fallen off markedly during the Age of War as each of the Great Houses tried to build up their own forces to the maximum extent. The dawn of the Star League, and the Reunification War in particular,
prompted a resurgence in the mercenary trade as planetary governments and private concerns—particularly those near the Periphery—sought to bolster their defenses. While the Star League refused to sanction private armies, mercenaries did prove useful on
several occasions during the Periphery campaigns. Many mercenary companies found themselves, directly or indirectly, in the employ of the member-states, allowing them to bolster their armed forces without contravening the letter (if not the spirit) of the Star
League Accords.

Page 26:
To ensure the supremacy of the SLDF, House forces would be limited, which mandated the downsizing of all the Great House
militaries. Some of these reductions were facilitated by troop transfers to the SLDF, but each House was forced to dismiss a large number of troops, creating social and economic problems. Ironically,the Regular Army and member-state militaries were forced to
re-hire many of these troops to maintain their defenses during the Reunification War, effectively kick-starting the mercenary industry
that, though frowned upon by the Star League, remained a key part of the Inner Sphere military machine.

page 80-81
Each of the four Great Houses involved in the Reunification War experienced these same problems to one degree or another, and each responded in their own way, skirting Star League law to expand the capabilities of their militaries. House Steiner, for example, contracted a number of logistical and support functions to civilian corporations while likewise eliminating numerous uniformed support positions so that it could create new combat units. House Davion, on the other hand, hired thousands of former soldiers,
armed them (with heavy tanks and some BattleMechs) and gave them uniforms, and sent them to seven different worlds. Alternately calling them police forces or contract security forces, Davion nonetheless created some of the first modern mercenary forces


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Like all Canopians, he’d served in the MAF but then had become a freelancer, serving in private wars in the Free Worlds, Lyran Commonwealth and Federated Suns. The formation of the Star League (and the glut of unemployed troops flooding the mercenary market) effectively put Buquoy’s Bandits out of business in the late 2560s

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