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« on: October 07, 2006, 10:05:47 PM » Quote Modify Remove Split Topic
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Ok we have heard what you think the Terrans should be up to but what of the Capellans? Do they go on the attack? Against whom? Can they win? What do you think!
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2006, 03:45:29 AM » Quote Modify Remove Split Topic
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I think the Capellans would lose some worlds to the Marik, especially in the Andurien area of space. The FS would certainly love to take a chunk out of the coreward side of House Liao, though I believe that they would fight back and hold their own for the present time. I think that the Capellans would also try to form (or re-form) and alliance with Canopus and use them to attack FWL assets on the Canopian border. Also, I think they would try to form a mutual non-agression pact with the Terrans in return for some exchanges of technology (such as Mechs and vehicles) from Terra for natural resources/raw materials from Liao territory.
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2006, 07:05:32 AM » Quote Modify Remove Split Topic
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Quote from: MechRat on October 08, 2006, 03:45:29 AM
Also, I think they would try to form a mutual non-agression pact with the Terrans in return for some exchanges of technology (such as Mechs and vehicles) from Terra for natural resources/raw materials from Liao territory.
Well with the Centauran Accords that is sorta in place. Not the trade aspects though, nice thought there.
Quote from: MechRat on October 08, 2006, 03:45:29 AM
I think the Capellans would lose some worlds to the Marik, especially in the Andurien area of space. The FS would certainly love to take a chunk out of the coreward side of House Liao, though I believe that they would fight back and hold their own for the present time. I think that the Capellans would also try to form (or re-form) and alliance with Canopus and use them to attack FWL assets on the Canopian border.
That meshes well with my thoughts. Of course with communications with the Periphery still non-existant, or spotty at best, I wonder how well an alliance with the MoC would work.
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2006, 10:47:12 PM » Quote Modify Remove Split Topic
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Quote from: MechRat on October 08, 2006, 03:45:29 AM
I think the Capellans would lose some worlds to the Marik, especially in the Andurien area of space.
Probably - but the FWL is a bit fixated on the TR- so the CC probably won't suffer as badly.
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The FS would certainly love to take a chunk out of the coreward side of House Liao, though I believe that they would fight back and hold their own for the present time.
Sounds reasonable.
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I think that the Capellans would also try to form (or re-form) and alliance with Canopus and use them to attack FWL assets on the Canopian border.
Not a chance in hell. The Capellan Canopus alliance is a piece of crap the current writers came up with when they couldn't figure out how to make their desired story line work. Sorry but the MOC has traditionally hated the idea of an alliance with the CC- the Capellans record on civil rights (or more precisely their poor record on civil rights) highly offends the MOC (ref Periphery 1e and 2e) and makes any alliance highly unlikely. Sure the Capellans could try to form an alliance with the MOC but it's incredibly unlikely to be successful.
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2006, 02:03:19 AM » Quote Modify Remove Split Topic
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You are correct regarding the feelings between the MoC and the Capellans in general - I had momentarily forgotten about that aspect of Capellan culture. However, I still think at least a non-agression pact could form. This would free up military assets on each side so that they can devote them to their respective enemies. Please keep in mind that I'm still trying to understand the deviations to the canon timeline here.
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2006, 02:45:34 AM » Quote Modify Remove Split Topic
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The Periphery at this time is just trying to get back on their feet. The TC and MoC are battered beyond belief thanks to the Periphery Uprising that preceded the Amaris Coup. Wonder how many Periphery BattleMech Divisions are left intact? I doubt they are a threat to any Successor State which could probably crush any adventurism like swapping a fly.
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2006, 02:57:07 AM » Quote Modify Remove Split Topic
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Got it!
Well, with the Periphery out of the main action and the FWL obsessing over the Terrans, the only real threat to the Capellans would be the FS. IIRC, House Davion is focusing on the DC for now, with some raids on the Capellans to make sure they don't get any bright ideas. That would mean the CC would have some breathing room for the current time. With that state of affairs, House Liao would best serve themselves by devoting their resources to the production of military assets. I could see them reinforcing the FS border with tanks and other vehicles, as they are cheap and quick to make.
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2006, 01:12:50 AM » Quote Modify Remove Split Topic
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I ok with them getting thier butts kicked trying to bite of more than they can chew...getting pushed back and making more enimies for furture wars.
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2006, 02:09:45 AM » Quote Modify Remove Split Topic
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True, but you can't eliminate the Capellans entirely. There has to be someone for everyone else to dump on or at least look at in comparison and say, "at least I'm not as bad off as/hopeless as/worthless as/(insert your excuse here)..." There always has to be an underdog whether you like them or not.
To remove the Confederation from existence would require more resources than any Great House possesses as well as making the attacking House vulnerable to their enemies. No one wants to expose themselves like that and the Capellans know it. They have always known that they are the weakest House. However, they have use that weakness as a strength, using covert methods to achieve their ends. They only do enough to make the other Houses remember they're still here, but not enough to make the others concerned.
I don't see them trying to gain more territory by invading other House worlds, including the Terran Republic. They know it would attract too much attention, at least more than they are capable of handling. If they need new worlds for natural resources/raw materials, I see them going towards the Periphery. If I remember correctly the systems between the Concordat and the Magistracy have not yet been fully explored at this time. Neither of the Periphery realms have the resources the expand right now or for that matter fight off any invasion force.
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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2006, 03:10:01 AM » Quote Modify Remove Split Topic
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I didn't want them eliminated completely. Kinda like a dog getting swatted on the ass. They try to take advatage of the other houses while they are busy and get burned. No land gained or lost, but rivarlies will form. I always liked raleshag (spelt badly) as the underdog.
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2006, 03:19:05 AM » Quote Modify Remove Split Topic
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That I can understand. The Capellans do try to take advantage of the other Houses by attempting to exploit their weaknesses, but in the end they usually get burned, as you put it. But it doesn't keep them from trying again and again.
Rasalhague will always be an underdog, but at least it has self-confidence, determination, and some ethics (at least more than Liao). They are the underdogs you really want to win, thought I don't know how they will fare here. It is likely that they will be swallowed up by the DC if they haven't been already - just like in canon.
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2006, 02:31:30 AM » Quote Modify Remove Split Topic
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I don't even know if they will form in this reality...But I wouldn't mind seeing them around.
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2006, 08:20:18 PM » Quote Modify Remove Split Topic
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Quote from: MechRat on October 10, 2006, 02:57:07 AM
Got it!
Well, with the Periphery out of the main action and the FWL obsessing over the Terrans, the only real threat to the Capellans would be the FS. IIRC, House Davion is focusing on the DC for now, with some raids on the Capellans to make sure they don't get any bright ideas. That would mean the CC would have some breathing room for the current time. With that state of affairs, House Liao would best serve themselves by devoting their resources to the production of military assets. I could see them reinforcing the FS border with tanks and other vehicles, as they are cheap and quick to make.
Actually Davion concentrated more on Liao at the onset of the 1st SW only realizing their error when Draconis regiments swarmed over the border nearly taking out Davion before they knew what hit them. Cappellans out of all realms i think are in the best situation of all the houses at this time. FWL concentrating on TR, FS and LC fending off DC. Leaving the CC to harass all sides around them. Though i think they will regret that in 2nd SW when these same houses come back for blood.
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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2006, 02:13:58 AM » Quote Modify Remove Split Topic
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Quote from: Bradshaw on October 14, 2006, 08:20:18 PM
Actually Davion concentrated more on Liao at the onset of the 1st SW only realizing their error when Draconis regiments swarmed over the border nearly taking out Davion before they knew what hit them.
I do remember that from the canon timeline. Maybe I was interpreting it wrong, but I thought that in this timeline Davion was paying more attention to Kurita than Liao.
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Cappellans out of all realms i think are in the best situation of all the houses at this time. FWL concentrating on TR, FS and LC fending off DC. Leaving the CC to harass all sides around them. Though i think they will regret that in 2nd SW when these same houses come back for blood.
I agree with that. However, maybe this time the Capellans might be a little smarter and keep quiet for now. That way they can build up their meager strength for when the inevitable occurs. Just a thought...
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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2006, 03:28:00 PM » Quote Modify Remove Split Topic
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Quote from: MechRat on October 13, 2006, 03:19:05 AM
Rasalhague will always be an underdog, but at least it has self-confidence, determination, and some ethics (at least more than Liao). They are the underdogs you really want to win, thought I don't know how they will fare here. It is likely that they will be swallowed up by the DC if they haven't been already - just like in canon.
Hmmmm.. not relating to the CC but that comment just sparked an idea.
What should the CC do? *thinks* Since it seems apparent, but not a foregone conclusion, thet the FWL will try and pound the TR perhaps the CC should wait until the FWL is committed to that then retake a few border worlds that are 'traditionally' Cappellan. It makes for good internal propaganda and at the same tome tweaks the FWL's nose and reminds them of who their neighbor is. Ans with the Centuran Accords the FWL would have to wonder if it was a precursor ro something larger.
On the FS side of thigs - *thinks more* Hunker down and make them pay for every planet? *shrug* Although an idea might be to agree to help fund Blakes efforts to get the HPG's back up; specifically get comunications with the Taurians back up. They, the Taurians, could be useful, any thorn in the FS's side aside from the CC is good
Also in general try and get whatever from the TR via the Centuran Accords that you can. Oh and maybe once a few truly bloody incidents have ocurred the Chancallor can call for the Ares Accords to be honored again.
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