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How important was Earth?
« on: June 05, 2006, 04:29:01 PM »
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I figure a large part of ComStar's developing into a pseudo-religious entity was due to it having an entire solar system to itself for most of the seccession wars.

This let it develop its own distinct culture mostly apart from the rest of humanity despite them having access to so much of it. Sort of the us vs them complex writ large.

So what becomes of DeptCom instead?

Perhaps they retain or futher develop a stricter policy of neutrality?

Would be kind of sad to not have our favorite toaster-worshippers worshipping toasters.

Perhaps they due still don the robes but go more of a monastery than holy land route?

Wheels within wheels and all that I guess.
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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2006, 06:10:48 PM »
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Well I have to disagree with my esteemed colleague from ComStar, Precentor Martial Focht, and say Earth is important! Very important!!!

That aside I think ComStar will probably be much different in our universe with the Terran Republic. ComStar is more of a megacorp ala shadowrun or the Church of the Middle Ages. All in all I guess will just see where events take us!  Wink
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2006, 11:45:21 PM »
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you could have take over a devestated Hegemony world where they could still orginize themselves into the paranoid, control freak, overachieving, toaster-worshiping, nutcases we all loved in 3025.
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2006, 07:28:06 AM »
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Question - here you are having a 'free Earth'' - Would the Roman Cathorlic Church try to get control Back from the New Avalon Cathorlic Church following the liberation of Terra ?.  Undecided

Otherwise Yeah I think Terra is important - even if it's just as a symbol of where mankind came from.  Cheesy

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Quote from: Davion_Boy on June 14, 2006, 07:28:06 AM
Question - here you are having a 'free Earth'' - Would the Roman Cathorlic Church try to get control Back from the New Avalon Cathorlic Church following the liberation of Terra ?

Good point, with the Terran nation still around it might change a lot of the "cultural background" changes that I would imagine occured. Ugh, need to read through those Sourcebook pdf's again.

Still Terra's post-coup and post-exodus weakened state I don't know if the Roman Catholic Church would risk pushing the issue.
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Quote from: Sir Robin on June 14, 2006, 03:11:50 PM
Still Terra's post-coup and post-exodus weakened state I don't know if the Roman Catholic Church would risk pushing the issue.

I dunno that is somethin will def need to be looked at. Its one of those things i remember reading and thinking i should investigate that but then i forgot and moved on to other things
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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2006, 05:10:14 PM »
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Good stuff Davion Boy. Sir Robin has got it right the Roman Catholic or as I start to call it the Terran Catholic Church (see in Project Phoenix) has little room to manuver given the post Coup conditions. So the New Avalon Schism will be one of those fun side affects of the Amaris Coup for our near BT future. As you will see in Project Phoenix (nearly done) Terrans put little stock in "New Age" religions such as New Avalon Catholic Church. Obviously this will be a Federated Suns faith almost exclusively for the time being. What the future holds you'll have to wait and see!!
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2006, 02:18:16 PM »
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I dont see the schizm being as great between the two as in canon myself after rereading the old Davion book.
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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2006, 04:33:57 PM »
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From and in character perspective, Terra is just another mudball that should have been glassed ages ago.

But OOC, yes, Terra is very important to the reborn Republic.  As for ComStar, I agree with Sir Robin.  Without their own system, and all the Star League goodies within, ComStar wouldn't have become the organization we know today.
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2006, 10:06:34 AM »
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Quote from: Siden Pryde on June 19, 2006, 04:33:57 PM
As for ComStar, I agree with Sir Robin.  Without their own system, and all the Star League goodies within, ComStar wouldn't have become the organization we know today.

I strongly agree with Siden Pryde on this point, ComStar with out terra's solar system being under their sole control will / would not have become the major power house that it became (for good or ill) in the 'Standard' CBT universe, BUT are they going to be allowed to share the Hyper Pulse tech with the other Houses in this universe ?, (I was going to call the other Houses the Successor states - BUT as there is a Cameron still around - scrub that thought)  Grin.

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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2006, 04:35:13 PM »
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I know I'm new and all but I have a take on this topic.

There is no Schism.  All the changes that changed the church on
New Avalon and in the FedSuns happened during the Amaris Coup
as far as I've been able to tell.  Because if that was the case then
the Roman Catholic Church would just have retaken control after
the Coup like it did with the other branches on Tharkad and I'm
assuming Atreus.

Think about that one...

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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2006, 11:18:09 PM »
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Quote from: Kasaga on August 10, 2006, 04:35:13 PM
I know I'm new and all but I have a take on this topic.

There is no Schism.  All the changes that changed the church on
New Avalon and in the FedSuns happened during the Amaris Coup
as far as I've been able to tell.  Because if that was the case then
the Roman Catholic Church would just have retaken control after
the Coup like it did with the other branches on Tharkad and I'm
assuming Atreus.

Think about that one...

-Kasaga

Well Kasaga what happen in cannon as will probably happen here the Pope was killed during the Coup and the Cardinal of New Avalon thought he was his chosen successor thanks to a grabbled transmission. After the Coup everbody else met and elected a new Pope. This is were the schism came from two Popes each claiming rightful authority. The New Avalon Pope however only has major support in one House, Davion. The others I believe are majority Roman Catholic.

I'd be real interested to see how someone thinks the Chruch would work in the BT universe. Be fun to have some detail there. Might flesh out characters and the like.
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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2006, 05:34:17 PM »
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This may be beating a dead horse and such, and I hate to say it, but Comstar without Terra would probably become very much like the Comstar of MW:DA; a large secular corporation, without a military that makes and breaks with the flow of profit. They wouldn't broke power, hasten the flow of technology and information, and pray. Jerome Blake wouldn't have to rebuild the Hegemony, write his fantastic memoirs, or enjoy a fanatical religious zelot like Toyoma. Sorry to say it blokes, but without the First Succession War devastation on the former Hegemony worlds you'll be hard pressed to push Comstar into the eventually "Fall of mankind" mentality that culminates with Jihad 300 years later. (This was brief...)  Wink
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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2006, 05:47:53 PM »
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What I think about ComStar in this timeline (without giving to much away) is that they are a MegaCorp from the Shadowrun universe. ComStar gets extra territorial rights in the Communcations Protocol of 2787 but they have no safehaven, i.e. Terra. Control over the HPG network is powerful but without Earth you really take the organizations teeth out. They have no military (no SLDF personnel pledge loyalty to Blake and start what eventually becomes the ComGuard). What of ROM? Are they to be weaker or perhaps an even more focused security force?  Wink Food for thought.
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Sounds proper. They would certainly lack the psuedo-religious bent we've come to know and love, but that wouldn't prevent them from still meddling. They would have to be a wee bit more careful perhaps (No ComGuard, ROM could still be ROM, but with information gathering on its mind, not internal security), but depending on who sits at the head of the table this ComStar could play the puppeteer's strings. (Control of the flow of information is funny like that...) How the Republic would play out in this scenario would be interesting. You could easily see the two organizations aligned while Blake is alive (He would want to help rebuild the Hegemony regardless, and rebuild the network hubs, which are located predominately in the Hegemony. Plus, he loved the Hegemony), but these interest could diverge after his death, especially if you consider that the Republic's warship fleet, and probably some of its armed forces enjoy portable HPGs (Can you say cutting into one's profits?  Wink .) That coupled with perhaps an agenda from a certain Comstar CEO down the line that doesn't enjoy the Republic military being outside of its profit margin or control, or with a dwindling technological base as the Succession Wars progress a technology preservation program (We could even see ROM getting into the Internal Police business here.  Cheesy.), well....you get the picture.
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