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General Notes
The DCMS relied heavily on light mechs during this time as it’s main assault force FM:DC p. 14
Over 50 mech regiments were gathered for ther 2787 offensive against the FS. This represented over a third of the DCMS HKSB p. 53
District forces were formed prior to the 1st SW HKSB p. 144
Benjamin Regulars
Easiest units to join. Few political requirements. Serve as a reserve- often fight in other districts. HKSB p. 144
2nd BR -formed ? FM:DC p. 41
2nd BR Defenders of the Combine specialize in city fighting
3rd BR - formed ? FM:DC p. 42
3rd BR -Pride of Benjamin specialize in open country fighting HKSB p. 144
6th BR - formed ? FM:DC p. 43
6th BR Lord Kurita’s Hopes HKSB p. 144
9th BR formed ? FM:DC p. 44
9th BR Wrath of the Common People speciialize in city fighting HKSB p. 144
11th BR Comfort of the Poor specialize in city fighting HKSB p. 144
11th BR founded 2781 as a light mixed regiment, 1 mech battalion, 2 armor battalions Galtor P. 52
15th BR formed ? FM:DC p. 45
15th BR Tribute of the Unproductives HKSB p. 144
17th BR formed ? FM:DC p. 46
17th BR Power of Proper Religion specialize in open country fighting HKSB p. 144
22nd BR formed ? (NOTE: Not in HKSB-3025) FM:DC p. 47
Dieron Regulars
2nd DR Pride of Shionoha - originally raised on Shionoha formed ? FM:DC p. 49
2nd DR specializes in mountain combat HKSB p. 142
3rd DR formed ? FM:DC p. 50
3rd DR Ever-Vigilant of Kessel (nickname is SW era) - specializes in City Combat HKSB p. 142
3rd DR fought on Barlow’s Folly in 2804 TR3025 p. 142
5th DR destroyed 56th Avalon Hussars on Towne in 2785 HDSB p. 58
8th DR formed ? FM:DC p. 51
8th DR Wrath of the Spurned - specializes in nght combat HKSB p.142
9th DR formed ? Will of Dieron HKSB p. 142
12th DR formed ? FM:DC p. 52
12th DR Arm of Unsweravable Power HKSB p. 142
15th DR formed ? FM:DC p. 53
15th DR Devotion Through Combat HKSB p. 142
18th DR formed ? Pride of Dieron specializes in city combat HKSB p.142
20th DR formed ? Invaded Tamar 2915 HSSB p. 70
22nd DR formed ? FM:DC p. 54
22nd DR Vengeance of Dieron specializes in Recon HKSB p. 142
24th DR formed ? FM:DC p. 55
24th DR Collector of Heads HKSB p. 142
27th DR formed ? Claws of the Tigers HKSB p. 1442
32nd DR fought the LC on Sakhalin (1st SW??) TR3025 P. 112
36th D Hungry Ghost,s formed? Specialize in open field battles HKSB p. 142
40th DR formed ? FM:DC p. 56
44th DR formed 3056 FM:DC p. 57
Galedon Regulars
Several units can trace their history back to the Alliance of Galedon FM:DC p. 59
Due to the prestige of this unit they have stict requirements to join. Draw many recruits from Sun Zhang Academy HKSB p. 143
2nd GR formed 2295 serves as a training Cadre for the Galedon Military Academy FM:DC p. 60
2nd GR Wrath of History - specialize in open field battles HKSB p. 143
5th GR -dates to the earliest days of the DC-was a heavy armor battalion, served as Shiro Kurita’s guard during the invasion of Scerlovsk. still holds armor in high regard. FM:DC p. 61
5th GR Pride of Galedon specialize in Mountain Fighting HKSB p. 143
7th GR - fought in Reunification War Periphery 1e p. 37
8th GR - formed? eventually disbanded & included in 42nd GR FM:DC p. 68
8th GR (still existed in 3025) Fate of Enemies HKSB p. 143
9th GR fought Paul Bunyon Regiment in 2825 HKSB p. 60
12th GR - dates to early SL era, specialized in recon, started as light armor & aerospace fighters, expanded to light & fast medium mechs later. Typically parcelled out as battalions or companies to other regiments as a scouting force. FM:DC p. 62
12th GR Avengers of Crime specialize in Recon HKSB p. 143
16th GR formed ? FM:DC p. 63
16th GR Keepers of Treasures specialize in City Fighting HKSB p. 143
17th GR formed ? FM:DC p. 64
17th GR Protectors of Karma Specialize in city fighting HKSB p. 143
17th GR fought in Reunification War Periphery 1e p. 25
17th GR involved in Santiago Massacure during RW SLSB p. 43
17th GR fought on Xhosa VII in 2929 HKSB p. 82
19th GR formed during 2nd SW FM:DC p. 65
19th GR fought in Reunification War Periphery 1e p. 37
21st GR probably formed 3rd SW FMDC p. 66
21st GR evolved from Marlowe’s Rift Planetary Militia Galtor p. 54
24th GR fought in Reunification War Periphery 1e p. 37
Pesht Regulars
Smallest forces of all the districts- rarely saw combat FM:DC p. 69
Originally no different from other district forces- sometime during the SWs became a place for Veterans to go and train newer soldiers. HKSB p. 144
1st PR fought the ELH on Benet in 3000. TR3025 p. 90
3rd PR Gray Panthers - specialize in Recon HKSB p. 145
4th PR formed ? FM:DC p. 70
4th PR Evening Warriors HKSB p. 145
6th PR formed ? FM:DC p. 71
6th PR The New Hopes HKSB p. 145
7th PR formed ? FM:DC p. 72
7th PR The Future Guards HKSB p. 145
9th PR formed ? FM:DC p. 73
9th PR Pride of Pesht HKSB p. 145
10th PR formed ? FM:DC p. 74
10th PR Red Dawn HKSB p. 145
Rasalhague Regulars
RR soldiers undero heavily scrutininy HKSB p. 142
4th RR fought in the Reunification (note refered to as 4th Rasalhague Brigade) Periphery 1e p. 37
5th RR Crushers of Insurrection - formed ? speciializes in Crowd Control HKSB p. 143
8th RR Executioners formed? HKSB p. 143
9th RR Pride of Rasalhague - formed ? Specializes in city fighting HKSB p. 143
13th RR Bane of the Commonwealth formed ? HKSB p. 143
17th RR Veterans of Tamar formed ? Specialized in Recon HKSB p. 143
20th RR Torturers formed ? HKSB p. 143
22nd RR Krushers of Kobe formed? Specialize in opne Warfare HKSB p. 143
Otomo - have served as personal guards to the coordinator for “several centuries†FM:DC p. 79
Otomo were present on Kentares IV HKSB p. 56
Sword of Light
Formed during Kerensky’s regency FM:DC p. 82
1st SoL Ivory Dragon FM:DC p. 84
1st Sol fought in 2787 offensive HKSB p, 54
2nd SoL Steel Dragon FM:DC p. 85
3rd SoL fought on Colia in 2872 HDSB p. 77
3rd Sol fought in 2787 offensive HKSB p, 54
4th SoL fought on Tushomingo in 2849 HDSB p. 71
5th SoL Gold Dragon FM:DC p. 86
5th SoL formed in Spring on 2796 Sorenson Sabres P. 7
6th SoL wiped out on Freedom in 2913 HSSB p, 69
6th SoL accompanied Minoru Kurita to Kentares IV in 2796 HDSB p. 62
7th SoL Teak Dragon FM:DC p. 87
8th SoL Jade Dragon FM:DC p. 88
15th SoL fought on Quentin in 2899 later disbanded TR3025 P. 138 TR3039 P. 220
SoL regiment # not given fought on Nox in 2471 (note contradiction HKSB p. 35 puts this event in 2475) HSSB p. 24
There have been 12 different SoL regiments during the history of the DCMS HKSB p. 70
All SoL regiments have 4 battalions HKSB p. 141
Sun Zhang
Unclear if these date to the Pre-SW era- possible units inclued 5th, 9th, 12th, 13th, & 14th Cadres FM:DC p. 89-92
A Sun Zhang mech rcon patrol was fired on by SLDF forces in 2784 HKSB p. 51
In 3025 there were the 1st, 5th, 9th & 12th cadres HKSB p. 148
9th Sun Zhang fought pirates in 2902 TR3025 P. 90
Amphigean Light Assault Groups
Formed by Jinjiro Kurita - date not clear but probably in between 1st & 2nd SW FM:DC p. 94
An Ting Legions formed at start of 2nd SW FM:DC p. 97
Arkab Legions
Predate the SWs- raised as part of an agreement between the Azami & DC It appears that the DC raised 3 mech regiments of the Arkab legion FM:DC p. 100
DC raised 3 mech regiments specializing in recon & raiding. HKSB p. 145
2nd AL - traces back to conventional regiment of planetary militia that opposed the DC in early 2500s. apparently they managed to maintain SL era mechs despite the SWs. FM:DC p. 101
2nd Arkab Defenders of the Faith - Specializes in fast attacks HKSB p. 145
4th Arkab formed ? FM:DC p. 102
4th Arkab Allah’s Blessings specialize in recon HKSB p. 145
5th Arkab - destroyed in 2nd SW formed ? FM:DC p. 103
6th Arkab raised in 2nd SW FM:DC p. 103
Proserpina Hussars
Haved served the Kuritans since before the DC. A tank division known as the Proserpina Hussars served Shiro Kurita. FM:DC p. 107
Linked to University of Proserpina - graduates would join the HussarsHKSB p. 146
1st PH formed ? FM:DC p. 108
1st PH Blood Suckers- specialize in hit & run tactics HKSB p. 146
2nd PH raided Hean in 2920 TR3039 p. 289
3rd PH formed ? FM:DC p. 109
3rd PH (incorrectly listed as 2nd in book) Kurita’s Vampires specializes in hit & run Tactics HKSB p. 146
4th PH formed ? invaded Tamar 2915 HSSB p. 70
4th PH Luthian Leeches -specializes in hit & run tactics HKSB p. 146
Unnamed Armor Regiment went Merc roughy 2850 became the Furies FM:MErc p.54
Erronous Entries
2nd Legion Of Vega -TR3025 puts them in 1st SW did not exist at the time p. 30
Legion of Vega mention fighting on Hoan in 2920 TR3025 P. 66
NightStalkers (mcGavins & Johiro’s Reg)TR3025 puts them in 1st SW did not exist at the time p. 24
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Takiro
Great stuff Irose, analyzing now. Wink
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Takiro
Working hard on coming up with a preliminary look at the DCMS who is proving to be much simpler than Liao to assign units to. Here is how the numbers panned out with a reduced Sun Zhang Academy Cadre (now 8 regiments as we discussed in the other thread) and Proserpina Hussars (I can't find any evidence of more than 4 regiments). More details to follow. I apologize for the lack of proof but thought the overall conclusion might provide some interesting insights.
Draconis Combine Mustered Soldiery
134 Mech Regiments
Draconis Guards
Otomo (1 regiment)
Sword of Light (5 regiments)
Mobile Warfare
Proserpina Hussars (4 regiments)
Arkab Legion (3 regiments)
Cadet Corps
Sun Zhang Cadre (8 regiments)
District Regulars
Galedon Regulars (21 regiments)
Benjamin Regulars (21 regiments)
Rasalhague Regulars (21 regiments)
Pesht Regulars (10 regiments)
Shadow Units / Draconis Militias
Kessel Militia (11 regiments)
Algedi Militia (9 regiments)
Matar Militia (5 regiments)
Chian Militia (5 regiments)
Samarkand Militia (5 regiments)
Ashio Militia (5 regiments)
The UNR Hot Spot write up I did for Altair contained three child units that I established for BTSD. The 2nd Sword of Light, the 5th Benjamin Regulars, and the 2nd Sun Zhang Academy Cadre. The Fifth was a creation of Liam's, some relevant notes from the Hot Spot write up are contained below.
5th Benjamin Regulars (The Pride of Ijima)
The city of Hikoboshi is perhaps the strongest bastion of support for the Dragon on Altair thanks in part to the efforts of the 5th Benjamin Regulars. Since it’s founding during the earliest days of human stellar colonization this community, along with the companion city Orihime on Vega, has been the center of an ancient Japanese Star Festival called Tanabata. The 5th Regulars have had a long historical relationship with this Festival and as a result the populace firmly backs their cause.
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FirstStarLord
Are the nascent Dieron Regulars going to be included as well? It would seem at least one regiment was active in 2785.
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Rainbow 6
I belive they are currently know as the Ronin Regiments.
Quote from: Takiro on April 18, 2009, 03:10:47 AM
5th Benjamin Regulars (The Pride of Ijima)
The city of Hikoboshi is perhaps the strongest bastion of support for the Dragon on Altair thanks in part to the efforts of the 5th Benjamin Regulars. Since it’s founding during the earliest days of human stellar colonization this community, along with the companion city Orihime on Vega, has been the center of an ancient Japanese Star Festival called Tanabata. The 5th Regulars have had a long historical relationship with this Festival and as a result the populace firmly backs their cause.
Is this the style of regimental briefing you will be using for the regiments in Threat Assessments 2785?
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Takiro
Quote from: FirstStarLord on April 18, 2009, 03:31:42 AM
Are the nascent Dieron Regulars going to be included as well? It would seem at least one regiment was active in 2785.
The Dieron Regulars are in fact half of the Shadow Units listed above. The Matar Militia (5 regiments), the Chian Militia (5 regiments), the Samarkand Militia (5 regiments), and the Ashio Militia (5 regiments) are Ronin who at the start of the Succession War try to seize Dieron and establish themselves as the Fifth Draconis District Regular Force (Dieron Regulars). Competing with the Ronin are the Gaijin which in this report comprise the Kessel Militia (11 regiments) and Algedi Militia (9 regiments) who are trying to seize Vega and establish themselves as the Fifth Draconis District Regular Force (Vegan Regulars). It is a race quite simply setup by the High Command to judge the effectiveness of Terran and Lyran defenses. First one to seize their targets wins and is so rewarded. The loser, well ...... Wink
Quote from: Rainbow 6 on April 18, 2009, 12:39:57 PM
Is this the style of regimental briefing you will be using for the regiments in Threat Assessments 2785?
No Six, this was simply a pull from the appropriate source although the length might be ideal for child units.
How about the Sword of Light regiments, should we have more than 5 at this time?
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Quote from: Takiro on April 18, 2009, 02:56:34 PM
How about the Sword of Light regiments, should we have more than 5 at this time?
I vote no as that contradicts the 5 pillars motif. But we can pick different numbers then the ones used in 3025 if we want.
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Takiro
The numbers appear to be;
1st Sword of Light (Ivory Dragon, is unchanged apparently never been destroyed)
2nd Sword of Light (Steel Dragon, is unchanged apparently never been destroyed)
3rd Sword of Light
4th Sword of Light
6th Sword of Light
For some reason there is no 5th at this time (see Sorenson's Sabres), perhaps some kind of gesture to such respect to the number five.
Also we need to assign Gold Dragon, Teak Dragon, and Jade Dragon to each of the remaining three. Any ideas there??
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Takiro
Okay I've run into a continuity problem with the Swords of Light. To explain, there are always 5 such units. The 5th (the Gold Dragon incidentally) is not created until 2796. The same year as Kentares interestingly enough. Now under the guidelines established one of the Sword of Light units must die in order for the 5th to be created. If the 1st and 2nd were never destroyed that counts them out and both have been confirmed to have existed at this time. The 3rd initially led across the Davion border by Minoru certainly exists and wasn't destroyed until 2891-2892 at the Battle of Robinson. Minoru also led the 6th onto Kentares were he of course died but the 6th is mentioned again in 2913 so I'd discount them. This means we have four locked in units for the Swords of Light (1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 6th). However, the 4th appears only once in HKSB at the Battle of Tishomingo in 2849 and is my only option for solution. I was thinking that the 4th might not have existed at this time but rather another yet unnumbered SoL unit did presumably representing the Gold Dragon. This unit can't be the 4th, 5th, 7th, or 8th (units that will eventually exist but not at this point) so I'd propose the 9th Sword of Light (Gold Dragon). Perhaps they committed suicide after the events of Kentares including the death of their sovereign. Actually this solution doesn't fix the problem of SoL continuity as the 4th must exist by the time of its destruction in 2849 but such a replacement is needed until 2892. I know this just proves what a great job previous fact checkers did but we research the existing for answers. Failing to resolve the continuity issue also raises another possibility there was more than 5 SoL regiments.
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Muttley
Maybe the sixth SoL was acting as or was dual-hatted as the Otomo
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Quote from: Takiro on April 19, 2009, 02:57:16 AM
Okay I've run into a continuity problem with the Swords of Light. To explain, there are always 5 such units. The 5th (the Gold Dragon incidentally) is not created until 2796. The same year as Kentares interestingly enough. Now under the guidelines established one of the Sword of Light units must die in order for the 5th to be created. If the 1st and 2nd were never destroyed that counts them out and both have been confirmed to have existed at this time. The 3rd initially led across the Davion border by Minoru certainly exists and wasn't destroyed until 2891-2892 at the Battle of Robinson. Minoru also led the 6th onto Kentares were he of course died but the 6th is mentioned again in 2913 so I'd discount them. This means we have four locked in units for the Swords of Light (1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 6th). However, the 4th appears only once in HKSB at the Battle of Tishomingo in 2849 and is my only option for solution. I was thinking that the 4th might not have existed at this time but rather another yet unnumbered SoL unit did presumably representing the Gold Dragon. This unit can't be the 4th, 5th, 7th, or 8th (units that will eventually exist but not at this point) so I'd propose the 9th Sword of Light (Gold Dragon). Perhaps they committed suicide after the events of Kentares including the death of their sovereign. Actually this solution doesn't fix the problem of SoL continuity as the 4th must exist by the time of its destruction in 2849 but such a replacement is needed until 2892. I know this just proves what a great job previous fact checkers did but we research the existing for answers. Failing to resolve the continuity issue also raises another possibility there was more than 5 SoL regiments.
Looking at my notes:
1st SoL and 3rd SoL were involved in the FS invasion in 2787
6th SoL went to Kentares in 2796
5th SoL was formed in 2796
2nd SoL - we know they existed during the Von Rohrs era but do we have any references for them existing in 2787? I didn't note any but I may have skipped over it since I had an earlier reference to the 2nd SoL.
So what I would suggest is that the 2nd SoL was stricken after the Von Rohrs era since it was tainted. So let's say in 2787 we have:
1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th & 9th SoL. The 9th was destroyed in 2795 by the FS (or the LC) which led to the creation of the 5th SoL. Then later either the 4th or 6th can be destroyed to make way for the 15th (needed in 2899) and then maybe after the 6th is destroyed it is replaced by the 2nd.
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2nd sword of light was on the davion planet of New Rhodes per TRO 3039 page 140 in the Dervish's deployment fluff
1st (active during SW)
In the spring 2787 Minoru Kurita launched an attack on the Federated Suns involving over fifty regiments to demonstrate the might of the Draconis Combine and support his claim to the throne as First Lord of the Inner Sphere. The first landing on Franklin led ny Minoru personally.
2nd (active during SW)
per TRO 3039
3rd (active during SW)
In the spring 2787 Minoru Kurita launched an attack on the Federated Suns involving over fifty regiments to demonstrate the might of the Draconis Combine and support his claim to the throne as First Lord of the Inner Sphere. The first landing on Cartago led by the coordinators son Jinjiro Kurita.
Late 2891 the third are forced off Robinson by a large Davion. force.
4th(active during SW)
The fourth Sword of Light were all but annihilated on the world Tishomingo in 2849.
Either during the Jihad or the period of piece immediately afterwards the fourth are reformed.
In June 3135 elements of the fourth attacked and garrisoned the world Ancha as part of Tai-Su Mitsura Sakamoto's unsanctioned invasion of The Republic of the Sphere.
5th(formed after the SW started Formed 2796 given their history they might have started out as something over then a true SoL unit)
History
Formed on the order of Jinjiro Kurita to act as a fanatically loyal Household Guard to protect him from his political enemies. The fifth served in this capacity for a number of years before being transferred first to the Sun Zhang Military Academy on New Samarkand and then onto front-line duty on the Davion border.
6th(active at start of SW)
Minoru Kurita was personally leading the sixth in an attempt to secure Kentares IV from elements of the 7th Crucis Lancers. During this effort Minoru was assassinated by a sniper from the Lancers triggering what would later become known as the Kentares Massacre.
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Rainbow 6
I would have to say that we need to keep to 5 Sword of Light regiments.
I don't think the older power that be were very good at keep continuality streight, the Corsair ASF for instence is well messed up.
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Takiro
Quote from: lrose on April 19, 2009, 03:39:33 AM
2nd SoL - we know they existed during the Von Rohrs era but do we have any references for them existing in 2787? I didn't note any but I may have skipped over it since I had an earlier reference to the 2nd SoL.
So what I would suggest is that the 2nd SoL was stricken after the Von Rohrs era since it was tainted. So let's say in 2787 we have:
1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th & 9th SoL. The 9th was destroyed in 2795 by the FS (or the LC) which led to the creation of the 5th SoL. Then later either the 4th or 6th can be destroyed to make way for the 15th (needed in 2899) and then maybe after the 6th is destroyed it is replaced by the 2nd.
I wondered about this too. Aside from my reference to them on Altair I thought maybe. However, LordGrayson points out that the Second Sword of Light appears in TRO3039 (Dervish write up) and I did further research which confirms the Second existence in 2796. HDSB under the Kentares IV page has the Second Sword of Light on New Rhodes III. In my mind this makes the elimination of the 2nd impossible.
Quote from: LordGrayson on April 19, 2009, 04:26:34 AM
5th(formed after the SW started Formed 2796 given their history they might have started out as something over then a true SoL unit)
History
Formed on the order of Jinjiro Kurita to act as a fanatically loyal Household Guard to protect him from his political enemies. The fifth served in this capacity for a number of years before being transferred first to the Sun Zhang Military Academy on New Samarkand and then onto front-line duty on the Davion border.
6th(active at start of SW)
Minoru Kurita was personally leading the sixth in an attempt to secure Kentares IV from elements of the 7th Crucis Lancers. During this effort Minoru was assassinated by a sniper from the Lancers triggering what would later become known as the Kentares Massacre.
My original thought was to eliminate the Sixth as it was on Kentares with the Coordinator. However I believe it shows up later in DC history.
LG I like the 5th's history as I was gonna do something similar, Jinjiro's philosophy being different from Minoru's and such, where did you get it from?
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Lord Grayson
sarna battlewiki when I looked up the 5th Sword of Light
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Scourage72
Sarna does come in handy.
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Ice Hellion
Maybe we should not count Sword of Light regiments that did not go into combat.
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Takiro
Found my old notes on the Draconis Combine Mustered Soldiery, admittedly there isn’t much canon help but here are some of my ideas. Again while there is no canon evidence could there have been other Kurita regiments based on early Japanese military groups like Otomo (Great Escort). Long ago I saw there could be at least two other candidates mentioned in the Encyclopedia Britannia. The Kumebe (Corporation of Soldiers) and Mononobe (Corporation of Arms) could be two heritage formations that together with Otomo form the Draconis Guards. Again this is a non canon BTSD idea I thought I would float and see if we wanted to add two regiments to the DCMS.
For the Sword of Light regiments I think we’ll just stick to my original plans which have the 6th as the Gold Dragon and Minoru’s old guard. I do like the idea of the 9th Sword of Light as opposed to the 4th and as for continuity issues I’ve decided to stop caring as it isn’t our problem to resolve future issues that may or may not come to pass in BTSD. So here are each of the SoL units at the start of the Succession War; 1st Sword of Light (the Ivory Dragon), 2nd Sword of Light (the Steel Dragon), 3rd Sword of Light (the Teak Dragon), 6th Sword of Light (the Gold Dragon), and 9th Sword of Light (the Jade Dragon). What do you think?
Again I could fine no evidence of that the Proserpina Hussars were any larger than four regiments. Some thoughts and questions; could the Hussars be the Deneb Light Cavalry of the Star League or the Confederation Reserve Cavalry of the Capellans? Did they serve as the rapid response force of the Draconis Combine with a regiment deployed in each Military District during the Star League era? Since there were four Districts and four regiments it could very well be. Do the Hussars have links to the University of Proserpina (even though the SLSB entry doesn’t seem to fit with the Hussars), if so does that make them a little more pro Star League or questionable in the eyes of Draconians? Not the Coordinator mind you, although they could be more loyal to Minoru then embracing Jinjiro’s new ways, but the Hussars were never fanatical state devotees.
Not sure what to focus on with the Arkab Legion as they have three Mech regiments per canon. Their child regiments are the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Arkab Legions which specialize in raiding and recon. I suppose we could look at the connections to the Saurimat from ISP2.
Could one of the most damning signs of Draconis military expansionism be the Sun Zhang Cadre? To explain we had a previous discussion what the appropriate number of Academy Cadres would be necessary for the DCMS to maintain during this era which is about 5% of its total force strength. For example a 100 Mech Regiment DCMS would have 5 Sun Zhang Cadres while a 120 Mech Regiment Pillar of Steel would have 6 and a 140 regiment would have 7. The large pool of available recruits and high standards for limited billets in the general military are a few reasons why the DCMS has 8 Cadres. This should probably be one of our focus points in this unit’s write up.
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Quote from: Takiro on April 20, 2009, 08:56:51 PM
Again I could fine no evidence of that the Proserpina Hussars were any larger than four regiments. Some thoughts and questions; could the Hussars be the Deneb Light Cavalry of the Star League or the Confederation Reserve Cavalry of the Capellans? Did they serve as the rapid response force of the Draconis Combine with a regiment deployed in each Military District during the Star League era? Since there were four Districts and four regiments it could very well be. Do the Hussars have links to the University of Proserpina (even though the SLSB entry doesn’t seem to fit with the Hussars), if so does that make them a little more pro Star League or questionable in the eyes of Draconians? Not the Coordinator mind you, although they could be more loyal to Minoru then embracing Jinjiro’s new ways, but the Hussars were never fanatical state devotees.
I don't know about the size of the Hussars but they were linked to the University of Proserpina, see HKSB p. 146
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Not sure what to focus on with the Arkab Legion as they have three Mech regiments per canon. Their child regiments are the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Arkab Legions which specialize in raiding and recon. I suppose we could look at the connections to the Saurimat from ISP2.
I would focus on how they are "foreigners" but fiercely loyal to the Dragon.
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Could one of the most damning signs of Draconis military expansionism be the Sun Zhang Cadre? To explain we had a previous discussion what the appropriate number of Academy Cadres would be necessary for the DCMS to maintain during this era which is about 5% of its total force strength. For example a 100 Mech Regiment DCMS would have 5 Sun Zhang Cadres while a 120 Mech Regiment Pillar of Steel would have 6 and a 140 regiment would have 7. The large pool of available recruits and high standards for limited billets in the general military are a few reasons why the DCMS has 8 Cadres. This should probably be one of our focus points in this unit’s write up.
Would the "trainees" of the Sun Zhang cadres count against the limits for army sizes- I know the limits don't apply to reserves and militias (HBHD p.45) but what about trainees?
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FirstStarLord
You know in traditional East Asian societies, four is an extremly unlucky number. For a unit as steeped in mythology and tradition like the Sword of Light, they would take that very seriously. The fact that eventually a SoL regiment numbered the 4th was annihilated in one of the most disastrous battles of the 2nd SW would reinforce that view. I don't think such a regiment would exist at the start of the 1st SW. Only the desperation of the conflict itself would cause the DCMS to ignore the tradition.
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Takiro
I would think they count. While I do consider them trainees the Academy Cadres are post graduates honing their skill before they receive a line assignment. Those failing to earn a billet elsewhere would be recycled until they are replaced by new graduates. If that happens I think they'd become ronin or militia forces.
Another big aspect for the DCMS write up could be a philosophical split between old school Minoru soldiers and the new warriors of Jinjiro. Similar to split between Takashi and Theodore. I think some new Samurai see Minoru as weak while Jinjiro's aggressiveness appeals to them. Of course the old school views these rookies as unwise at best and dangerous at worst. Perhaps replacing Jinjiro with Zabu has already been considered but rejected by Minoru as a politically unwise move. As it would show weakness in some circles. Thoughts?
Thanks FirstStarLord, great advise on the fourth. That sounds good to me. Did you buy the reason to omit the 5th, respect for the number 5 in Combine society.
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FirstStarLord
Five is considered a very lucky number in Chinese society, and that could have spilled over into Combine culture. After all, no matter how much the Combine tries to pattern itself after Feudal Japan, outside cultural influences have infiltrated it.
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Lord Grayson
hmm just noticing in dark ages the 4th and 9th Sword of light are reformed and the 9th isn't named after a pillar maybe there are more then 5 regiments just only 5 of them are named for the pillars
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Takiro
Curious LG, what is the 9th named for?
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LordGrayson
its in one of the profiles of the dark age cards mentions a problem with the name of one of the units and that they might have a problem with it when they join the DCMS. Amaterasu<- but I don't think thats the name given to the 9th
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Takiro
Interesting from Wikipedia;
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In Japanese mythology, a sun goddess and perhaps the most important Shinto deity (神 ,kami?). Her name, Amaterasu, means literally "(that which) illuminates Heaven". She was born from the left eye of Izanagi as he purified himself in a river and went on to become the ruler of the Higher Celestial Plain (Takamagahara).
She is also said to be directly linked in lineage to the Imperial Household of Japan and the Emperor, who are considered descendants of the kami themselves.
Speaking of this is there any thoughts on the Kumebe (Corporation of Soldiers) and the Mononobe (Corporation of Arms) I proposed before?
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: Takiro on April 20, 2009, 08:56:51 PM
could the Hussars be the Deneb Light Cavalry of the Star League or the Confederation Reserve Cavalry of the Capellans? Did they serve as the rapid response force of the Draconis Combine with a regiment deployed in each Military District during the Star League era? Since there were four Districts and four regiments it could very well be. Do the Hussars have links to the University of Proserpina (even though the SLSB entry doesn’t seem to fit with the Hussars), if so does that make them a little more pro Star League or questionable in the eyes of Draconians? Not the Coordinator mind you, although they could be more loyal to Minoru then embracing Jinjiro’s new ways, but the Hussars were never fanatical state devotees.
The Prosperina Hussars are the elite free floating units, with a legendary reputation for hit and run attacks, which makes them perfect for some kind of cavalry unit (even more since they seem to have been formed from a tank regiment in the early Kurita army).
They are linked to the Prosperina University and their main reputation problem is linked to their status as free floating units.
Also, their commanders have the right to test the skills of any 'MechWarrior sent to his unit. The test is based on fighting and reacting in a highly mobile situation (+1 for the cavalry).
Quote from: Takiro on April 21, 2009, 08:06:46 PM
Speaking of this is there any thoughts on the Kumebe (Corporation of Soldiers) and the Mononobe (Corporation of Arms) I proposed before?
Yes for early DCMS but no for the modern one.
Units linked to corporations (even in name) are too close to mercenaries for House Kurita.
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FirstStarLord
Quote from: Takiro on April 21, 2009, 08:06:46 PM
Interesting from Wikipedia;
Speaking of this is there any thoughts on the Kumebe (Corporation of Soldiers) and the Mononobe (Corporation of Arms) I proposed before?
I've never heard of these units. In real life, what role did they play in the Japanese military?
Also Takiro, have you ever heard of the Shinsengumi? Or the ÅŒban? Or the military corps of Aizu? They might provide some good ideas for DCMS units.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinsengumi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%8Cban_(Great_Watch)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byakkotai
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Takiro
Unfortunately it doesn't look like these heritage units will take off on their own but what we could do is use these as nicknames for child units we have to create. Either that or we could save them for later use. Thank you FirstStarLord, very informative. I shall try to come up with an overview as I think we are pretty much set now.
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Takiro
While assembling a final overview of the DCMS circa 2785 I stumbled on to something I should have done with the Capellans. What Military Academies currently exist in the Draconis Combine?
Confirmed
Sun Zhang Mechwarrior Academy
Aerospace and Interstellar Institute
University of Proserpina
Galedon Military Academy
Pagoda for Luthien Officers
Wisdom of the Dragon
Internal Security College
Minoru Kurita University
Questionable
Kensai Kami?
Sun Tzu School of Combat?
An Ting University?
Rasalhague?
I'd like to get your thoughts on the questionable so chime in.
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Quote from: Takiro on April 24, 2009, 01:33:08 AM
While assembling a final overview of the DCMS circa 2785 I stumbled on to something I should have done with the Capellans. What Military Academies currently exist in the Draconis Combine?
Confirmed
Sun Zhang Mechwarrior Academy
Aerospace and Interstellar Institute
University of Proserpina
Galedon Military Academy
Pagoda for Luthien Officers
Wisdom of the Dragon
Internal Security College
Minoru Kurita University
Questionable
Kensai Kami?
Sun Tzu School of Combat?
An Ting University?
Rasalhague?
I'd like to get your thoughts on the questionable so chime in.
An Ting Academy wasn't founded until 2820 FM:DC p. 97
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rainbow 6
I think the Rasalhague District academy was on Radstadt.
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Takiro
I suppose Kensai Kami and Sun Tzu School of Combat could be around as of 2785 but there is so little information on the subject.
I will cross the An Ting University off the list then.
Any further information on the Radstadt academy? I'll look again. Would Benjamin and Pesht have District Gymnasiums or some such like Dieron did?
Given the formation of the Gaijin and the Ronin should we training camps recently established on Algedi and Ashio?
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MechRat
Quote from: Takiro on April 24, 2009, 10:17:47 AM
Would Benjamin and Pesht have District Gymnasiums or some such like Dieron did?
I think so. Even though they weren't mentioned in canon does not mean we can't say they existed. Wink
Quote from: Takiro on April 24, 2009, 10:17:47 AM
Given the formation of the Gaijin and the Ronin should we training camps recently established on Algedi and Ashio?
Yes, we should mention them.
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Rainbow 6
Well Benjamin has its proving grounds and isn't Wisdom of the Dragon in the Pesht district?
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Ice Hellion
I think Kensa Kami would be around (to me this program always looked like the inspiration for the Gunslinger program).
There is a military academy on Benjamin (FM: CD p.45).
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Takiro
I'm looking Ice thanks, still can't find anything for Rasalhague. Tongue
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Takiro
Your absolutely right Ice, page 45 of FMDC shows the Benjamin Military Academy. I've also found two others tonight but I'm still looking.
HKSB page 175 Rasalhague Military Academy
HKSB page 172 Pesht District Gymnasium
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FirstStarLord
Quote from: Takiro on April 24, 2009, 09:44:01 PM
I'm looking Ice thanks, still can't find anything for Rasalhague. Tongue
I doubt Rasalhague ever had any sort of major military academy located within it borders prior to the reclaiming of its independence. Such a school would have ended up the center of pro-independence feelings and military spirit, and that was unacceptable to House Kurita. From what we know of of the Rasalhague Regulars in 3025, they were mostly district natives educated in the "proper" Draconis military tradtion, persumably at schools located in other districts. Not very efficent, but the nature of the Combine's rule over Rasalhague made it neccessary in order to keep absolute control.
The Rasalhague Military Academy described in the HKSB does not sound all that important, and Mies Kurita himself was stationed outside of Rasalhague after graduating. That may have been standard procedure for all who trained at the academy.
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Takiro
Draconis Military Academies
Sun Zhang Mechwarrior Academy (New Samarkand)
Aerospace and Interstellar Institute (Midway)
University of Proserpina (Proserpina)
Pagoda for Luthien Officers (Luthien)
Wisdom of the Dragon (Kagoshima)
Kensai Kami (Bicester?)
Internal Security College (New Samarkand)
Minoru Kurita University (??)
Galedon Military Academy (Matsuida)
Benjamin Military Academy (Benjamin?)
Rasalhague Military Academy (Rasalhague?)
Pesht District Gymnasium (Pesht?)
Proving Grounds (nation wide)
Algedi Training Camps (Algedi)
Ashio Training Camps (Ashio)
Okay I'm still not certain the Sun Tzu School of Combat exists and I don't believe any canon location has ever been established. Not that we need any more Combine military academies but what do you guys think. Does it exist as of 2785? If so where exactly is it located? A clue might be gleaned from reading the 10th Ghost in FMDC, do you think the unit is stationed on the academy's world?
Great idea Ice to model the Kensai Kami after the Star League Gunslinger Program. I could certainly see it as a source of inspiration for the Dragon. My only concern is the fluff in FMDC (pg 31) states that Theodore Kurita re-established it on Bicester. To me that implies it could have been located elsewhere before hand. What do you think?
The Minoru Kurita University has only been recently established by the Coordinator in order to train massive amounts of infantry for the coming war. That much we can glean from HKSB page 138 however it doesn't give us a location for this canon fodder factory. Page 52 of FMDC (12th Dieron Regulars) implies that the University fell during the Clan invasion. But where was it exactly?
District Military Academies seem minor compared to the Sun Zhang or other more noted academies but serve a purpose. To my surprise FMDC (page 27) has the Galedon Military Academy located on Matsuida meaning the other District facilities could be on other worlds in their respective regions, hence the question marks. Thoughts? And what is the difference between a Military Academy and a District Gymnasium?
Osaka Fields on Benjamin is one of the largest such facilities in the Draconis Combine but certainly not the only one. FMDC implies these grounds are nation wide and exist for any citizen to prove themselves as a potential member of the DCMS. Sort of like Liao's Regional Training Centers but no really. If you prove your self you get sent off to an academy.
The Algedi and Ashio Training Camps are not official facilities but Terran (CIB) named sites for the large new training fields seen on those planets. We know these are the assembly and headquarters for Operation Khopesh and Katana.
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Hessian
Quote from: Takiro on April 25, 2009, 01:36:11 AM
Okay I'm still not certain the Sun Tzu School of Combat exists and I don't believe any canon location has ever been established. Not that we need any more Combine military academies but what do you guys think. Does it exist as of 2785? If so where exactly is it located? A clue might be gleaned from reading the 10th Ghost in FMDC, do you think the unit is stationed on the academy's world?
Well, since there is no canon location for the Sun Tzu School of Combat and because it is unknown whether it existed in 2785, I do not think it should be included.
Especially since because of its team-play attitude it is at odds with traditional Combine doctrine(= Samurai ideal).
Ciao
Hessian
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Rainbow 6
Could the Sun-Tzu school of combat have been formed by SLDF veterans? The team play mentality would fit.
The Radstadt Academy is mentioned in the original Sorenson's Sabres pack, Daniel Sorenson graduated from there. Also in the BoK novels Tor Miraborg is said to have a Radstadt Academy scar.
Not sure if it mentioned in the new Sabres write up though.
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Hessian
Quote from: Rainbow 6 on April 24, 2009, 07:58:19 AM
I think the Rasalhague District academy was on Radstadt.
Well, p67 of FM:CS tells us that "the premier Radstadt Academy" was lost during the Clan Invasion, so the Rasalhague District academy might have been on Radstadt. This is the only source I could find however.
Ciao
Hessian
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Takiro
Excellent work guys.
Sun Tzu could have been Minoru's idea and Jinjiro probably isn't that high on it but I'm still not entirely sure about including it. Plus still no idea as to its location.
Hmm, could the Rasalhague Military Academy and the Radstadt Academy be one in the same or two different facilities. One in the same would be fine for me, we'll just explain that the District Military Academy is located on Radstadt. Another interesting note perhaps for a chain gang mentality is Radstadt seems to be the site of the Combine's most infamous prison. Think they recruit like the dirty dozen?
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Ice Hellion
I doubt Rasalhague would really get a Military Academy (too much political troubles).
And for Sun Tzu, the idea of it being founded by SLDF veterans is a good one and this way, we could make it small and not well considered by traditionalists.
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Rainbow 6
Right just looked in the new sword & dragon book and Tai-i sorenson (according to the new book), went to the Rasalhague Military Academy. So in the 2 books he went to Radstadt & Rasalhague which could be evidence of them being one and the same.
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takiro
Great, the Rasalhague Military Academy will be located on Radstadt then. This along with the Galedon Military Academy located on Matsuida sets a precedent then. It would seem District Military Academies are located on Prefecture capitals within their region but not on the District capital itself. So for the Benjamin Military Academy we have five possible sites for their facility. Kajikazawa (which I have to mark as a Prefecture Capital on our 2785 Map), Proserpina, Xinyang, Irurzun, or Baldur. I would take Proserpina (cause it has an academy and alot of other stuff already) and Baldur (a non-canon fill in) out of the running. I have a favorite but what do you think; Kajikazawa, Xinyang, or Irurzun?
I'm also okay with the Pesht District Gymnasium being located on Pesht itself. Sounds like a smaller facility then a District Military Academy. What do you think the differences are? However if we went the Prefecture angle we have Irece, Albeiro, Bjarred, Qandahar, and Ningxia to chose from.
I'm fine with establishing the Sun Tzu facility during the Star League era but not recently. I'd say during the 2650s or maybe even sooner. Returning veterans of the SLDF would then establish this academy to spread the concepts they had learned. Still what planet would it be on?
Any thoughts on the location of the Minoru Kurita University?
I think the Kensai Kami is fine on Bicester, it is centrally located.
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Rainbow 6
I think Irurzun for the Benjamin academy.
Pesht's being on Pesht sounds good too me.
Asked about Sun-Tzu on CBT but no one there knows either, the only logical suggestion i've had in response was that it is on New Samarkand like the Sun Zhang Academy. Not sure if i like that though.
Did Theodore Kurita start his military eduction at Sun-Tzu?
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Takiro
Yes Theodore went to Sun Tzu, thanks for asking.
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MechRat
Quote from: Rainbow 6 on April 25, 2009, 10:06:27 PM
I think Irurzun for the Benjamin academy.
I agree.
Quote from: Rainbow 6 on April 25, 2009, 10:06:27 PM
Asked about Sun-Tzu on CBT but no one there knows either, the only logical suggestion i've had in response was that it is on New Samarkand like the Sun Zhang Academy. Not sure if i like that though.
Well, in "modern" canon BT times weren't the Sun Zhang and Sun-Tzu Academies intense rivals because of the differences in their ideologies? Wouldn't that information be in FM:DC? I don't think they would be located on the same world but should be nearby.
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Rainbow 6
Quote from: MechRat on April 26, 2009, 03:22:55 AM
Well, in "modern" canon BT times weren't the Sun Zhang and Sun-Tzu Academies intense rivals because of the differences in their ideologies? Wouldn't that information be in FM:DC? I don't think they would be located on the same world but should be nearby.
You'd think but it isn't.
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Hessian
Quote from: Takiro on April 25, 2009, 09:56:11 PM
Great, the Rasalhague Military Academy will be located on Radstadt then. This along with the Galedon Military Academy located on Matsuida sets a precedent then. It would seem District Military Academies are located on Prefecture capitals within their region but not on the District capital itself. So for the Benjamin Military Academy we have five possible sites for their facility. Kajikazawa (which I have to mark as a Prefecture Capital on our 2785 Map), Proserpina, Xinyang, Irurzun, or Baldur. I would take Proserpina (cause it has an academy and alot of other stuff already) and Baldur (a non-canon fill in) out of the running. I have a favorite but what do you think; Kajikazawa, Xinyang, or Irurzun?
I'd like to suggest Kajikazawa, simply because it sounds more Japanese to me and because of its location quite close to the Lyran border.
Quote from: Takiro on April 25, 2009, 09:56:11 PM
I'm also okay with the Pesht District Gymnasium being located on Pesht itself. Sounds like a smaller facility then a District Military Academy. What do you think the differences are? However if we went the Prefecture angle we have Irece, Albeiro, Bjarred, Qandahar, and Ningxia to chose from.
First of all: I think that locating District Military Academies on Prefecture capitals and District Gymnasium's on District capitals is a good idea that should be implemented.
Given the description of the Dieron District Gymnasium in FM:DC I think the District Gymnasium's are indeed smaller than a District Military Academy and concentrate on a single military occupational specialty.
My vision for District Gymnasium's thus would be:
-fairly low number of highly trained annual graduates
-only one(or at most two) military occupational specialty provided(probably MechWarrior/AerospacePilot)
-emphasize on actual combat training to the point of virtually disregarding political doctrine, with cadets
training at their own pace
-under close scrutiny by the ISF, which posts at least one agent to guard against infiltrations
-the bushido philosophy is not promoted
-no elaborate enrollment procedure; any applicant who meets the physical and mental requirements is
accepted
-most graduates end up assigned to the respective district regulars organization
Ciao
Hessian
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BlackTigerActual
Quote from: Rainbow 6 on April 26, 2009, 09:02:01 AM
You'd think but it isn't.
Damnd if I can quote a source but Sun-Tzu was on New Samarkand as I remember it thats why the big rivalry.
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Takiro
Draconis Military Academies
Sun Zhang Mechwarrior Academy (New Samarkand)
Aerospace and Interstellar Institute (Midway)
University of Proserpina (Proserpina)
Pagoda for Luthien Officers (Luthien)
Wisdom of the Dragon (Kagoshima)
Kensai Kami (Bicester)
Internal Security College (New Samarkand)
Minoru Kurita University (??)
Sun Tzu School of Combat (??)
Galedon Military Academy (Matsuida)
Benjamin Military Academy (Irurzun or Kajikazawa?)
Rasalhague Military Academy (Radstadt)
Pesht District Gymnasium (Pesht)
Proving Grounds (nation wide)
Algedi Training Camps (Algedi)
Ashio Training Camps (Ashio)
So the Draconis Combine will have sixteen major military academies at this time.
I guess we are never going to resolve the Sun Tzu or Minoru Kurita locations. We could always leave them blank, kind of skirt the issue.
For the Benjamin Military Academy its down to Irurzun or Kajikazawa. Truth be told I favored Kajikazawa but I could see either. Let me know what you think.
Gonna try and rap this thread up for an outline today.
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: Hessian on April 26, 2009, 09:18:28 AM
Given the description of the Dieron District Gymnasium in FM:DC I think the District Gymnasium's are indeed smaller than a District Military Academy and concentrate on a single military occupational specialty.
Yes but no to your political conclusions (at least for two districts).
Dieron Regulars never cared much for politics (FM:DC p.48).
Benjamin Regulars were relaxed about politics (FM:DC p.40).
Galedon Regulars are known for loyalty and their recruits have to be approved by the ISF (FM:DC p.59).
Pesht Regulars were trained by older warriors or those the Coordinator felt a need to keep an eye on (FM:DC p.69).
For Rasalhague Regulars, I do not think I need to stress the need for political reliance.
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Takiro
Quote from: Ice Hellion on April 26, 2009, 04:53:08 PM
Yes but no to your political conclusions (at least for two districts).
Dieron Regulars never cared much for politics (FM:DC p.48).
Benjamin Regulars were relaxed about politics (FM:DC p.40).
Galedon Regulars are known for loyalty and their recruits have to be approved by the ISF (FM:DC p.59).
Pesht Regulars were trained by older warriors or those the Coordinator felt a need to keep an eye on (FM:DC p.69).
For Rasalhague Regulars, I do not think I need to stress the need for political reliance.
Don't forget about the time period Ice. Irose correctly pointed out that the Pesht Regulars were (Originally no different from other district forces- sometime during the SWs became a place for Veterans to go and train newer soldiers. HKSB p. 144) and they were (Smallest forces of all the districts- rarely saw combat FM:DC p. 69). I view the Pesht Regulars as highly reliable force who may suffer from some "Social General" tendencies Combine version of course. Think about the assignment at this time. Isn't really front line so why would you want to be there? Brown Nosing? Possibly or would it be for personnel under consideration for high rank but further evaluation is still needed.
Certainly the Rasalhague Regulars are under constant watch by the ISF cause we don't need any native sympathizers. Their assignment to the Lyran and Rim border is a chance to earn glory but they probably feel like their under constant attack. From rebels and the ISF alike.
Galedon has a proud heritage as the Combine's first District. That along with the Davion-Outworld border gives them ample oppurtunity for combat. Extremely patriotic and likely the most loyal.
I can see Benjamin being relaxed about its political concerns. They border the Lyran Commonwealth, the Federated Suns, and the Terran Hegemony. They likely see the most foreign trade and interaction especially during the Star League era.
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Rainbow 6
Talking too people over on CBT and most of the Kuritan's seem to think that Sun-Tzu would be found on Pesht, as Pesht lacks a major military academy for its district regulars.
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Takiro
I was thinking it might be located closer to Terra because of a couple of Theodore Kurita clues. His posting to the Dieron District and that quote about never letting the Hegemony reunite. No proof of course.
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Ice Hellion
If we keep the Terran origin, I do agree with you Takiro.
And we do agree on the Rasalhaguen, Galedon and Benjamin Regulars.
For the Pesht Regulars, Social Generals, "bad" guys (this is the Combine after all) and people who need further testing could be an option (mixing them should be quite fun).
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Takiro
Quote from: Ice Hellion on April 27, 2009, 07:46:53 PM
If we keep the Terran origin, I do agree with you Takiro.
And we do agree on the Rasalhaguen, Galedon and Benjamin Regulars.
For the Pesht Regulars, Social Generals, "bad" guys (this is the Combine after all) and people who need further testing could be an option (mixing them should be quite fun).
I am hesitant to declare a site site for the Sun Tzu Academy but because of the Clan invasion and the departure of Rasalhague we know it ain't there. It is just a hunch that it is in the Dieron District.
More thoughts on the District Regulars as I went through them today in detail. I will start with Pesht since Ice and I are talking Social Generals. I used the term as a stand in for brown nose or favored person. Assignment to the capital District of the Combine can have its political advantages. And if we want to punish you well we can send you to the ass end of nowhere. Thinking about it today I would say politics probably plays the biggest role in this assignment. Remember the adage keep your friends close but your enemies closer. I was thinking potential hard cases might get stuck here under careful watch. It is another way for favored individuals to prove themselves, see how they react as well, if they can get any thing out of these problems.
Another note about the Pesht Regulars, have they ever fought in a large scale engagement to this point in history. I mean a few regiments might have been shipped here or there but they have never faced any real challenge to their station. Did they go on the offensive during the Reunification War even?
For child units the Pesht Regulars present us with our easiest case. Essentially 1 through 10 (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th regiments) as child units. We already have information on the 3rd (although the Gray Panthers nickname might have to change), the 4th (Evening Warriors), the 6th (The New Hopes), 7th (The Future Guards), 9th (Pride of Pesht), and the 10th (Red Dawn). We even have a note on the 1st meaning only the 2nd, 5th, and 8th have got to be made up completely from scratch.
The Galedon Regulars pose a more difficult challenge as we have to reach 21 regiments. We have a confirmed 10 (2nd, 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 12th, 16th, 17th, 19th, 24th) commands leaving us 11 to be detailed. The 21st Galedon Regulars is a question mark as it sounds like they might have been formed or reformed during the 3rd SW. So there are 13 possible commands you guys can chime in on having or not (1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th, 11th, 13th, 14th, 15th, 18th, 20th, 22nd, 23rd). Please let me know if you have an idea or two for a child unit in any of these formations.
The Rasalhague Regulars have 8 confirmed units (4th, 5th, 8th, 9th, 13th, 17th, 20th, 22nd) leaving us 13 to detail in some fashion. We have 14 possible numbers for inclusion (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 7th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 18th, 19th, 21st) leaving us one to leave out. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Finally the Benjamin Regulars have nine confirmed units including the 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 9th, 11th, 15th, 17th, and the 22nd. Again this leaves us 13 possible numbers for inclusion (1st, 4th, 7th, 8th, 10th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 16th, 18th, 19th, 20th, and the 21st) for 12 open slots. Let me know!
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Ice Hellion
The 22nd Benjamin never proved itself in combat according to FM: DC, which would prove it is not an old unit.
The 19th Galedon was formed during the 2nd Succession War and the text for the 21st can either mean that it was formed late or moved to the front lines late.
The 8th Galedon was destroyed in the Galtor campaign during 3025.
The 4th and 9th Pesht were destroyed by the Clans.
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Rainbow 6
Looking at the Combine Field Manual it looks like one Regiment of Regulars serves as a cadre regiment for its district academy.
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Ice Hellion
Where did you find that?
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Rainbow 6
in the desciptions of the 2nd Dieron and its mentioned in (bugger not with book now!) regimental desciptions in both the Galedon and Benjamin Regulars.
Hang on i'll run up and look in book.
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Quote from: Ice Hellion on April 27, 2009, 08:48:13 PM
The 22nd Benjamin never proved itself in combat according to FM: DC, which would prove it is not an old unit.
It also does not appear in the HKSb leading me to believe it was formed after the 4th SW,
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The 19th Galedon was formed during the 2nd Succession War and the text for the 21st can either mean that it was formed late or moved to the front lines late.
But there is a reference to the 19th fighting during the Reunification War in Periphery 1e. So they were either disbanded or destroyed sometime between the RW and the 2nd SW.
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Rainbow 6
Right i miss read the 15th Benjamin Regulars entry, but the 2nd Dieron & 2nd Galedon serve as training cadres for the Dieron District Gymnasium & Galedon Military Academy respectivly.
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Takiro
That is just it we could go up and denote some missing regiments but I get the feeling that some regiments were disbanded and reformed during the Succession War.
What I need to know from you guys is how many holes do you want in the 21 regiment Regulars. The Pesht Regulars have no holes as I don't believe there are any reason to disband a unit. No major action (war or rebellions) to note there what so ever. Now compare that to Galedon, Rasalhague and Benjamin. Let me know how many holes there would be.
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Ice Hellion
No more than a couple for each: after all the Houses had time to forge their army and did not waste it in attacks.
The holes just show the units destroyed and those raised after the beginning of operations.
However, we are likely to find reminders of old wars.
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Master Arminas
I agree that the SOL should be kept to five regiments. What about the Amphigean Light Assault Groups? When did they form up?
Now, about the Cadres. Sigh, I have ALWAYS disliked the idea (for both FedSuns and the Combine) of having REGIMENTAL sized units comprised of cadets. I know, I know, the idea comes from the WW1 Brits filling out regiments with upper-classmen from military secondary schools. But, seriously guys, do you think any competent modern BT military would concentrate 108 green cadets in the SAME FREAKING unit?
No, they would do what we do today--assign the potential butter-bar to existing units, with enlisted and NCOs and experienced officers TO LEARN WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING. I say dump the Cadre units on both sides of the border, at least as combat units.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
Arminas tar Valantil
Grand Master of the Ebon Rose
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Takiro
Quote from: master arminas on April 29, 2009, 03:06:01 PM
What about the Amphigean Light Assault Groups? When did they form up?
Amphigean Light Assault Group was formed between the wars, 1st and 2nd. So a no go for 2785.
Quote from: master arminas on April 29, 2009, 03:06:01 PM
Now, about the Cadres. Sigh, I have ALWAYS disliked the idea (for both FedSuns and the Combine) of having REGIMENTAL sized units comprised of cadets. I know, I know, the idea comes from the WW1 Brits filling out regiments with upper-classmen from military secondary schools. But, seriously guys, do you think any competent modern BT military would concentrate 108 green cadets in the SAME FREAKING unit?
No, they would do what we do today--assign the potential butter-bar to existing units, with enlisted and NCOs and experienced officers TO LEARN WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING. I say dump the Cadre units on both sides of the border, at least as combat units.
Well I don't think the Sun Zhang Academy Cadre is composed of green cadets. I view them as soldiers who need seasoning. My view on the unit is a post graduate organization who is composed of the lower echelon of the Sun Zhang class along with a core experienced officer teachers. The post grads would be judged as new members flowed in. Some receive line assignments, others haven't progressed enough and have to remain, and finally some washout going to militia units.
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Rainbow 6
Not sure about the AFFS cadres but the Sun-Zhang and District Regular/Free Floating Regiments that fill the role are made of experienced officers/senior nco's and cadets that have just graduated but not with high enough marks to join a line unit, so they are assigned to the cadre to gain experience before going into a line unit when there trainers feel they are ready.
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: Takiro on April 29, 2009, 04:22:03 PM
Well I don't think the Sun Zhang Academy Cadre is composed of green cadets. I view them as soldiers who need seasoning. My view on the unit is a post graduate organization who is composed of the lower echelon of the Sun Zhang class along with a core experienced officer teachers. The post grads would be judged as new members flowed in. Some receive line assignments, others haven't progressed enough and have to remain, and finally some washout going to militia units.
Exactly.
The Cadre units are made of pupils in their last year (or 6 months) and this is their final exam.
And don't you think they would not put veterans around those new guys to keep them alive?
BattleMechs are made for an elite and you have to earn the right to be assigned to one of the real units.
I think these Cadre units could be used as shock troops quite easily as they are so eager to prove themselves or they could be used in secondary theatres, freeing more seasoned units for front line duty.
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Takiro
Okay folks I think this will wrap up the DCMS outline. Please discuss.
Draconis Combine Mustered Soldiery (DCMS)
134 BattleMech Regiments (as of 2785)
Second only to the SLDF when it comes to military efficiency the DCMS is a well oiled war machine. The Arm of the Dragon has always been fundamentally strong thanks to its inherent Bushido philosophy and competent leadership. Thanks to the efforts of Coordinator Minoru Kurita this martial ability has been honed to a fine edge. He has worked hard to incorporate the best features possible into the Draconis military. In the process Minoru has alienated some traditional elements as some of these methods are seen as too radical or foreign. These elements look to Jinjiro Kurita to remedy these problems. Minoru’s goal and ambition have also done much to stifle any overt opposition.
Philosophical split between old school Minoru soldiers and the new warriors of Jinjiro. Similar to split between Takashi and Theodore. I think some new Samurai see Minoru as weak while Jinjiro's aggressiveness appeals to them. Of course the old school views these rookies as unwise at best and dangerous at worst. Perhaps replacing Jinjiro with Zabu has already been considered but rejected by Minoru as a politically unwise move. As it would show weakness in some circles.
Draconis Guards
Otomo (1 regiment)
Overview: Since the dawn of the Draconis Combine the Otomo have served as personal guards to the Coordinator. For several centuries they have performed this task admirably safeguarding House Kurita. How did they handle the Von Rohrs years? Or were they formed after that infamous dynasty? Plus I will have to research the succession of the Combine and see how protected the Coordinator was.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HKSB and FM DC
Child Units: There is only one Otomo (Great Escort)
Sword of Light (5 regiments)
Overview: The elite unit of House Kurita was actually established as an armored corps during the formative years of the Draconis Combine. After the ISF obtained BattleMech technology from the Lyran Commonwealth in 2461 the infamous Von Rohrs dynasty ordered their upgrade to a BattleMech unit. The upgrade or Von Rohrs leadership did not have positive effects of the Sword regiments. Following years of great difficulty they were disbanded by the Von Rohrs. After 2751 the Swords of Light are given new life by Coordinator Minoru Kurita who wished to create a new elite command. Borrowing from the Combine’s past he reformed the Sword of Light putting a new spin on an old idea.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HKSB and FM DC
Child Units: 1st Sword of Light (the Ivory Dragon), 2nd Sword of Light (the Steel Dragon), 3rd Sword of Light (the Teak Dragon), 6th Sword of Light (the Gold Dragon), and 9th Sword of Light (the Jade Dragon)
Mobile Warfare
Discuss the free floating regiments and their impact in the DCMS
Proserpina Hussars (4 regiments)
Overview: One of the oldest formations in the DCMS the Hussars can trace their linage back to armor units that served Shiro Kurita. Since then the Hussars have participated in every major conflict that the Dragon has been involved in. During the Star League era they served as the rapid response force of the Draconis Combine with a regiment deployed in each Military District. The unit has close links to the University of Proserpina, a Star League facility along the Davion border. While they have never cared much for politics to some this association makes them questionable in the eyes of Draconians. Not the Coordinator mind you, although they could be more loyal to Minoru then embracing Jinjiro’s new ways, but the Hussars have never been fanatical state devotees.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HKSB and FM DC
Child Units: 1st Proserpina Hussars (Blood Suckers), 2nd Proserpina Hussars (Kurita’s Vampires), 3rd Proserpina Hussars (Warriors of the Night), 4th Proserpina Hussars (Luthien Leeches)
Arkab Legion (3 regiments)
Overview: At the turn of the twenty sixth century the Draconis Combine concluded a peace treaty with the fiercely independent Azami. In return for autonomy these proud warrior people pledged fealty to the Dragon and were incorporated into the DCMS as the Arkab Legion. These "foreigners" have always been viewed with some skepticism by native Draconians but they have proven their fierce loyal to the Dragon time and time again. Despite Urizen Kurita’s Japanification (an issue to deal with certainly) and attacks on their Muslim brethren on Dalkeith in 2775 they have remained so. Azami worlds from Shaul Khala, Arkab, Algedi, Markab, Sakai, Dabih, Odabasi, Rukbat, Shitara, to Albalii are scattered throughout Kurita space. Rumors of a secret Azami commando group (the Saurimat) and their competition with the Gaijin Regiments.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HKSB and FM DC
Child Units: 2nd Arkab Legion (Defenders of the Faithful), 4th Arkab Legion (Allah’s Blessings), 5th Arkab Legion (Covenant of Five)
Cadet Corps
List the Academies of the Draconis Combine - Sun Zhang Mechwarrior Academy (New Samarkand), Aerospace and Interstellar Institute (Midway), University of Proserpina (Proserpina), Pagoda for Luthien Officers (Luthien), Wisdom of the Dragon (Kagoshima), Kensai Kami (Bicester), Internal Security College (New Samarkand), Minoru Kurita University (??), Sun Tzu School of Combat (??), Galedon Military Academy (Matsuida), Benjamin Military Academy (Irurzun or Kajikazawa?), Rasalhague Military Academy (Radstadt), Pesht District Gymnasium (Pesht), Proving Grounds (nation wide), Algedi Training Camps (Algedi), Ashio Training Camps (Ashio)
Sun Zhang Cadre (8 regiments)
Overview: The post graduates of Kurita military academies. Contrary to popular belief the Sun Zhang Academy Cadre is not composed of green cadets. I view them as soldiers who need seasoning. The unit is a post graduate organization who is composed of the lower echelon of the Sun Zhang class along with a core experienced officer teachers. The post grads would be judged as new members flowed in. Some receive line assignments, others haven't progressed enough and have to remain, and finally some washout going to militia units.
Could one of the most damning signs of Draconis military expansionism be the Sun Zhang Cadre? To explain we had a previous discussion what the appropriate number of Academy Cadres would be necessary for the DCMS to maintain during this era which is about 5% of its total force strength. For example a 100 Mech Regiment DCMS would have 5 Sun Zhang Cadres while a 120 Mech Regiment Pillar of Steel would have 6 and a 140 regiment would have 7. The large pool of available recruits and high standards for limited billets in the general military are a few reasons why the DCMS has 8 Cadres. This should probably be one of our focus points in this unit’s write up.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HKSB and FM DC
Child Units: 1st Sun Zhang Cadre, 2nd Sun Zhang Cadre (Fortitude), etc.
District Regulars
Reasoning for the Combine’s District Regulars is as follows beginning with the Pesht Regulars because they are the best indicator. If you look at the Pesht Regulars in 3025 from HKSB and even in 3057 from FMDC the highest numbered regiment is the 10th. So my theory is that no more than 10 regiments of the Pesht Regulars were ever created. Meaning that the Edict of 2650 capped them and perhaps the other three District forces at 10 regiments each. If each District is composed of five Prefectures you’d have two Regulars patrolling each. Following the Arms Amendment of 2752 which double the size of House militaries every District Regular was expanded except for Pesht. As they have no neighboring power why expand them anyway is what I figure. I have calculated the strength for the other District Regulars (Benjamin, Galedon, and Rasalhague) at 21 regiments a piece. This works as every one of those formations has the correct numeral designation. Even the Benjamin Regulars whose top number ends at the 17th has the 22nd as its next unit in FM DC.
Pesht Regulars (10 regiments)
Overview: I will start with Pesht since Ice and I are talking Social Generals. I used the term as a stand in for brown nose or favored person. Assignment to the capital District of the Combine can have its political advantages. And if we want to punish you well we can send you to the ass end of nowhere. Thinking about it today I would say politics probably plays the biggest role in this assignment. Remember the adage keep your friends close but your enemies closer. I was thinking potential hard cases might get stuck here under careful watch. It is another way for favored individuals to prove themselves, see how they react as well, if they can get any thing out of these problems.
Another note about the Pesht Regulars, have they ever fought in a large scale engagement to this point in history. I mean a few regiments might have been shipped here or there but they have never faced any real challenge to their station. Did they go on the offensive during the Reunification War even?
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HKSB and FM DC
Child Units: 1st Pesht Regulars, 2nd Pesht Regulars, 3rd Pesht Regulars (Gray Panthers*), 4th Pesht Regulars (Evening Warriors), 5th Pesht Regulars, 6th Pesht Regulars (The New Hopes), 7th Pesht Regulars (The Future Guards), 8th Pesht Regulars, 9th Pesht Regulars (Pride of Pesht), and 10th Pesht Regulars (Red Dawn), we have a note on the 1st meaning only the 2nd, 5th, and 8th have got to be made up completely from scratch.
Galedon Regulars (21 regiments)
Overview: Galedon has a proud heritage as the Combine's first District. That along with the Davion-Outworld border gives them ample opportunity for combat. The Galedon Regulars are extremely patriotic and easily the most loyal of the District Regulars.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HKSB and FM DC
Child Units: Confirmed 10 (2nd, 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 12th, 16th, 17th, 19th, 24th), Possible 14 (21st?, 1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th, 11th, 13th, 14th, 15th, 18th, 20th, 22nd, 23rd) leave out 3
Benjamin Regulars (21 regiments)
Overview: During the Star League the Benjamin Regulars patrolled the most cosmopolitan District of the Draconis Combine. Bordering the Lyran Commonwealth, the Federated Suns, and the Terran Hegemony they saw the most interaction and foreign trade of any DCMS command. As a result they are probably the most relaxed about their political concerns. While the recent redistricting of Minoru Kurita has removed some of their possible chances for combat many still remain.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HKSB and FM DC
Child Units: Confirmed 9 (2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 9th, 11th, 15th, 17th, and the 22nd), Possible 13 (1st, 4th, 7th, 8th, 10th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 16th, 18th, 19th, 20th, and the 21st) leave out one
Rasalhague Regulars (21 regiments)
Overview: The need for political reliance is obvious in the rebellious Rasalhague District. Their Regulars are under constant watch by the ISF for any signs of disloyalty. Their assignment to the Lyran and Rim border is a chance to earn glory many feel like their under constant attack from rebels and the ISF alike.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HKSB and FM DC
Child Units: Confirmed 8 (4th, 5th, 8th, 9th, 13th, 17th, 20th, 22nd), Possible 14 (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 7th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 18th, 19th, 21st) leave out one
Draconis Militia
Hardly a run of the mill Planetary Guard, the Draconis Militia is by far the most irregular formation of the DCMS. During the Star League showing restraint from their traditional martial practices was difficult for the people of the Draconis Combine. The Edict of 2650 hit them the hardest of all InnerSphere realms. Limiting the number of warriors Kurita could field was an affront too many who already found it tough living in a peaceful universe policed by the SLDF. Cast out of the DCMS annually for "better" recruits and unable or unwilling to serve in the SLDF these individuals found themselves “masterless" or “outsidersâ€. While it was against the law of the League the Combine kept many warriors on as so-called shadows. On occasions whole Shadow Regiments mirrored other legitimate regiments of the DCMS giving the illusion of rapid deployments from one end of Kurita space to the other enhancing the realms strength. While many in the League suspected such behavior by the Combine they were never able to prove it. These units became masters of stealth and other quick hit & run military tactics all while pretending to be somebody else. Individuals or unit segments (no whole regiment was ever uncovered from 2650 till 2781) discovered by the SLDF were disavowed by the Coordinator. Some of these leaderless warriors (the Ronin) who also roamed the Combine in search of a challenge often stirred up trouble for the SLDF often dueling Gunslingers in popularized events. Some wandered the Periphery fighting bandits or training dissidents to fight the Star League. It is believed that these units trained many of the Periphery BattleMech Divisions which were equipped in part by the Draconis Combine. The Regiments as wholes participated in the Hidden Wars against House Davion and Steiner earning glory for the Dragon but never being able to show pride in their accomplishments. This gradually took its toll on their morale and overall loyalty. After the Star League was dissolved by the High Council they hoped for recognition but instead served as decoys for shifting DCMS forces. Hungry for recognition after years of operating in the dark these regiments are anxious for a fight. The following formations have been identified by CIB and given designations by Terran analysts. Despite their regional sounding names these formations are actually these formations are actually free floating regiments. They travel the Combine often “shadowing†real units hence their nickname the Shadow Regiments.
Kessel Militia (11 regiments)
Overview: Representing more than a dozen “disputed†worlds up and down the Steiner border this Shadow Unit has long been the unofficial repository for foreign nationals in the DCMS. It is believed that some of the first volunteers hailed from Kessel, Vega, Dieron, and Altair. These Lyran and Terran possessions had ancient ties to the Draconis Combine. Additionally twelve contested star systems (Lovinac, The Edge, Gram, Stanzach, Unzmarkt, Vorarlberg were claimed by the Commonwealth after the Amaris Coup while Engadin, Halesowen, Kiesen, Minkuchi, Setubal, Sulafat came under the wing of the Dragon) which were administered by the Terran Hegemony during the Star League era also contributed troops. The newest volunteers hail from the Rim Worlds Republic. These recruits have added invaluable combat experience to the Kessel Militia. Steadily growing in strength these gaijin now compose as many as eleven BattleMech regiments. While the largest Shadow Regiment it is the least experienced seeing only limited combat against House Steiner during the 3rd Hidden War.
Inspiration: BTSD creations based on canon information and personal flair
Child Units: Simple numbering system 1st to 11th in this case
Algedi Militia (9 regiments)
Overview: Many Draconians who served the Star League honorably have returned to the Draconis Combine after 2781 to find a society wary of accepting them. Years of service to the League have made them more tolerant of outsiders then other Draconians and exposed these gaijin, as they are now termed, to the virtues of freedom. They have found service with the DCMS difficult at best as the Kurita military stifles suggestions and expects blind obedience from all. They have taken this as an affront to their loyalty to the Combine and the Coordinator and view themselves as the Dragon's finest troops. These units have at their core elements of nine different SLDF divisions including remnants of the 405th BattleMech Division (Golden Pharaoh Division), 18th Infantry Division, 7th Jump Infantry Division, 133rd Jump Infantry Division, 200th Jump Infantry Division, 29th Mechanized Infantry Division, 66th Mechanized Infantry Division, 95th Mechanized Infantry Division, and the 225th Mechanized Infantry Division. Despite the quality of these warriors and their equipment many in the Combine do not fully trust them.
Inspiration: BTSD creations based on canon information and personal flair
Child Units: Simple numbering system 1st to 9th in this case
Matar Militia (5 regiments)
Overview: Recently reorganized the Matar Militia the officers of this unit have had to assemble their force with either younger Ronin who lack experience or older warriors whose skills have degraded. Forced to select from this depleted talent pool they focused much of their efforts on building camaraderie among its new found membership. Carefully assigning troops to units they encouraged teamwork and their soldiers’ ability to adapt to changing conditions. So far the results have paid off nicely for the Matar Militia which has proven itself a capable fighting force during combat exercises. Like many of its fellow Shadow units they field a medium sized BattleMech contingent. Eagerly embracing new methods and owing to its can do nature the Matar Militia grabs every technological upgrade it can. Based on Matar a neighboring world of Proserpina along the Davion border this unit had previously participated in the Hidden War but much of its experienced personnel have been reassigned indicating a possible shift in Draconis strategy. This will become the 4th Ronin Taskforce with castoffs forming the 5th.
Inspiration: BTSD creations based on canon information and personal flair
Child Units: Simple numbering system 1st to 5th in this case
Chian Militia (5 regiments)
Overview: Quite a formidable military unit in its own right the Chian Militia is eclipsed by few others when it comes to overall force quality. Many of its members resent the fact that they have been overlooked for other assignments in the past. This has led to the soldiers of this taskforce to drive themselves hard in order to prove their worth. Mainly equipped with medium weight BattleMechs it does have some heavier elements for support. With access to select Star League era technology the Chian Militia is also comparatively well equipped to its fellow Shadow Regiments. One of the two Ronin units who participated in the War of Davion Succession the unit is based in the Irurzun Prefecture which has a planet or system named Koping Chian. This will become the 2nd Ronin Taskforce with castoffs forming the 5th.
Inspiration: BTSD creations based on canon information and personal flair
Child Units: Simple numbering system 1st to 5th in this case
Samarkand Militia (5 regiments)
Overview: The oldest group of Draconis Militia seems to be this unit based on New Samarkand. These veterans are mainly composed of DCMS troopers who were run out of service because of their advanced age prior to the dissolution of the Star League. Wandering the HumanSphere as lone warriors for many years has provided them ample understanding of battle but has gradually eroded their discipline. This lack of unit cohesion is clearly visible in the Third which has more skilled personnel than most DCMS units. In recent exercises the Samarkand Militia has acted individually rather than together as a team to defeat opponents in battle. Another sign of this organizational chaos is the unit’s refusal to upgrade technologically despite the availability of refit packages. They instead rely on their proven weapons and their superior knowledge to win the day. Many of this unit’s Mechs are older medium weight designs that have been handed down from their families or are otherwise privately owned. This will become the 3rd Ronin Taskforce with castoffs forming the 5th.
Inspiration: BTSD creations based on canon information and personal flair
Child Units: Simple numbering system 1st to 5th in this case
Ashio Militia (5 regiments)
Overview: Since the collapse of the Star League a new Ronin unit has been gathering on the world of Ashio. This dangerous new force is made up of the finest Ronin and other select Draconis volunteers. While they might not have common backgrounds the personnel of this assembling unit seem to have a singular focus that gives them incredible skill even at this early stage. Equipped with BattleMechs of all sizes including assault weight machines they seem to be well supplied with access to Star League technology and designs. This will become the 1st Ronin Taskforce with castoffs forming the 5th.
Inspiration: BTSD creations based on canon information and personal flair
Child Units: Simple numbering system 1st to 5th in this case
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MechRat
Well done! Quite complete and informative.
I think that Minoru Kurita University should be on Luthien and the Sun Tzu School of Combat on New Samarkand.
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LordGrayson
only major fight I think the Pesht regulars might of been in was the invasion of davion before the fall of the SL when the DC tried to put there davion puppet on the throne. Large number of DC regiments crossed the border. Might also be where the 5th Sword of Light orginaly died at Smiley along with any others that might need to die Smiley
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Rainbow 6
The Minoru Kurita university was conquored by the clans so it needs to be on a world they took, maybe Alshain or Irecce?
But Sun Tzu being on New Samarkand has its merrits.
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Hessian
Quote from: Rainbow 6 on May 03, 2009, 08:22:15 AM
The Minoru Kurita university was conquored by the clans so it needs to be on a world they took, maybe Alshain or Irecce?
It was? Where does this information come from?
Ciao
Hessian
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Takiro
I hit that back on page 3 of this thread;
The Minoru Kurita University has only been recently established by the Coordinator in order to train massive amounts of infantry for the coming war. That much we can glean from HKSB page 138 however it doesn't give us a location for this canon fodder factory. Page 52 of FMDC (12th Dieron Regulars) implies that the University fell during the Clan invasion. But where was it exactly?
Thanks MechRat, on to the Federated Suns!
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Quote from: Takiro on May 03, 2009, 12:52:17 PM
The Minoru Kurita University has only been recently established by the Coordinator in order to train massive amounts of infantry for the coming war. That much we can glean from HKSB page 138 however it doesn't give us a location for this canon fodder factory. Page 52 of FMDC (12th Dieron Regulars) implies that the University fell during the Clan invasion. But where was it exactly?
That's not how I would read the entry in FM:DC. It says the infantry regiment was cobbled together from "remnants of several smashed units consisting of graduates from Minoru Kurita University". If you read the entry for MKU it says the school graduates large numbers of troops but has few alumni since most grads die in their first battle. So all I get from the 12th DR entry is that survivors from several regiments composed of MKU grads were used to form the 12th DR's infantry support, not that the school was destroyed by the clans.
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Takiro
You can read it that way granted but why isn't the MK University featured in FMDC? This fact combined with the 12th DR entry gives me the conclusion that it was on a world conquered by the Clans or possibly part of the FRR.
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Quote from: Takiro on May 03, 2009, 02:27:13 PM
You can read it that way granted but why isn't the MK University featured in FMDC? This fact combined with the 12th DR entry gives me the conclusion that it was on a world conquered by the Clans or possibly part of the FRR.
The fact that MKU isn't mentioned in FM:DC's listing of military schools is better evidence that the school was destroyed by the clans- the 12th DR entry really says nothing about the school.
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Hessian
Quote from: Takiro on May 03, 2009, 12:52:17 PM
The Minoru Kurita University has only been recently established by the Coordinator in order to train massive amounts of infantry for the coming war. That much we can glean from HKSB page 138 however it doesn't give us a location for this canon fodder factory. Page 52 of FMDC (12th Dieron Regulars) implies that the University fell during the Clan invasion. But where was it exactly?
Thanks MechRat, on to the Federated Suns!
Oh! Wasn't aware of this information.
Ciao
Hessian
P.S: Just remembered that Minoru Kurita University is (still or again?) around in the Dark Age,though Pilot card 037 also doesn't mention where it is located.
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Takiro
Oh well, thanks anyway for the Dark Age info. Wink
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Rainbow 6
Quote from: Hessian on May 03, 2009, 03:58:39 PM
P.S: Just remembered that Minoru Kurita University is (still or again?) around in the Dark Age,though Pilot card 037 also doesn't mention where it is located.
is it still training infantry or other fields as well?
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From Merc Guild
1st Sun Zhang Cadre existed prior to SW p. 78
1st & 2nd Proserpina Hussars fought on Marduk in 2787 P. 180
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Ice Hellion
I just found on the Classic BattleTech Forum that the Luthien scenario pack features a group of 8 DCMS units called the Luthien Defence Regiments.
Do we have them included somewhere?
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Takiro
I have it Ice. Those units would be considered Militia not Line forces.
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Ice Hellian
I just wanted to be sure.
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Well as I was searching for more info I found some new contradictions on BattleTechWiki. Apparently there is a Battlecorps story entitled Broken Blade. Set in 2787 the Draconis Combine launches a major assault (Operation Broken Blade) on Hesperus II in an attempt to destroy the Lyran Commonwealth's ability to manufacture war materials. Cool got no problem with that - all canon but here are the units involved.
* 18th Algedi Regulars
* 5th Sword of Light
* 8th Sword of Light
Now the Algedi Regulars have a bunch of implications the most obvious being that it was the fifth district during the Star League era which kills my whole idea.
Perhaps even more significant is the 5th Sword of Light which is stated to have been created in 2796 - source Sorenson's Sabers. I guess they could have been destroyed then recreated.
???
Thoughts!
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I have not read Broken Blade so I can't say what is in the story...
As for the Sword of Light- we spent a lot of time figuring them out- on the one hand we had a hard limit of no more then 5 regiments at any given time, on the other we had a lot of times where it looked like there could be 6 or more regiments in service. Can we have the 5th destroyed in 2787 and then rebuilt as a new regiment in 2796?- we could. But which regiment are we disbanding from the 2785 roster we developed? On the other hand we can say that Broken Blade was in error (truthfully I doubt the author looked that closely at the SOL as we did when picking numbers) and keep what we have. I am inclined to keep what we have and if questioned we just say that there was a contradiction and we went with what we felt was the best solution.
(FYI the BT wiki says the SOL was originally 12 regiments and reduced to 5 during the SWs. There is no reference cited so I question the accuracy of this)
As for the Algedi Regulars - there are a few solutions. IIRC we have two DCMS strike forces- one heading for Dieron and one for Vega- the first to succeed becomes the HQ for the new District- well we can keep that - maybe the current ruler pissed off Minoru or doublecrossed him or what ever and is going to be replaced.
We can create the Algedi Regulars by taking a few regiments from the Militias- maybe the Algedi Regulars are only 8-10 regiments, despite being in such an important location, they were not expanded in 2752 due to questions of loyalty.
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Actually I've done a lot on the Draconis Militia (aka the Shadow Regiments) over the last week. One of the six Militia formations is the Algedi Militia recently formed from Star League veterans.
My original theory that there was no Fifth District until the Succession War. Didn't think there was enough of the "Algedi District" and that its worlds would be part of the Benjamin District. It was a possibility that TPTB would establish a Fifth District. I even thought that Dieron could have been a District seat after the establishment of the Star League if the Hegemony was kind enough to share the world.
Sadly I only spotted these "facts" today nearly five years after they were first release. Broken Blade by Steven Mohan, Jr. was posted on June 28, 2005.
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Well as I was searching for more info I found some new contradictions on BattleTechWiki. Apparently there is a Battlecorps story entitled Broken Blade. Set in 2787 the Draconis Combine launches a major assault (Operation Broken Blade) on Hesperus II in an attempt to destroy the Lyran Commonwealth's ability to manufacture war materials. Cool got no problem with that - all canon but here are the units involved.
* 18th Algedi Regulars
* 5th Sword of Light
* 8th Sword of Light
Now the Algedi Regulars have a bunch of implications the most obvious being that it was the fifth district during the Star League era which kills my whole idea.
???
Thoughts!
Regarding the Algedi Regulars I can think of several possibilities.
The first one would be that Algedi was something of a placeholder District-Capital and never meant to be the permanent capital for all times. This way there can still be two DCMS strike forces competing to conquer a new district capital.
Or keep Algedi as the district capital and just make the commanders of the two DCMS strike forces compete for the honor to become the new warlord of the Algedi district. Whoever captures his assigned target first becomes the new warlord of the Algedi district.
(And for Dieron becoming the district capital in the canon setting->it was arrogance that made Minoru Kurita turn Dieron into a military district capital as he liked the idea that an important Star League base was now a premier world of his realm, this after the Combine forces seized the planet and discovered that the planet had suffered severely during Operation Liberation and that the Star League Regular Army had stripped the few intact buildings of everything useful, per page 188 House Kurita Sourcebook).
My original theory that there was no Fifth District until the Succession War. Didn't think there was enough of the "Algedi District" and that its worlds would be part of the Benjamin District. It was a possibility that TPTB would establish a Fifth District. I even thought that Dieron could have been a District seat after the establishment of the Star League if the Hegemony was kind enough to share the world.
Well the comaparatively small size of the "Algedi District", if you want to implement it, might be explained by its unique astrographic position, bordering not one or two but three(!) (hostile) neighbours. Furthermore you could say that this District was from its creation on intended to be expanded through conquest.
Just some thoughts.
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Hessian
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Interesting thoughts Hessian.
And what about some clever trick from the DCMS to make their units sounds bigger than they really are (War is the art of deception)?
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Well as I was searching for more info I found some new contradictions on BattleTechWiki. Apparently there is a Battlecorps story entitled Broken Blade. Set in 2787 the Draconis Combine launches a major assault (Operation Broken Blade) on Hesperus II in an attempt to destroy the Lyran Commonwealth's ability to manufacture war materials. Cool got no problem with that - all canon but here are the units involved.
* 18th Algedi Regulars
* 5th Sword of Light
* 8th Sword of Light
Now the Algedi Regulars have a bunch of implications the most obvious being that it was the fifth district during the Star League era which kills my whole idea.
Perhaps even more significant is the 5th Sword of Light which is stated to have been created in 2796 - source Sorenson's Sabers. I guess they could have been destroyed then recreated.
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Thoughts!
Regarding the Sword of Light Regiments I think that Irose's proposal is probably the best way to go: keep what you have and if questioned you just say that there was a contradiction and you went with what you felt was the best solution.
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Hessian