Ice Hellion
Quote from: CJvR on November 08, 2009, 06:32:04 PM
I dont think so, when faced with real pressure of a dysfunctional AFFS and an allout Kuritan invasion he acts fast, effectively and forcefully to solve the problem. I think he was more of a man that didn't like bad news, shooting the messenger type. Not until problems reach such levels that they cant be concealed anymore do they get through the Yes-men around him. Until that happens he proceeds with his plans and ideas regardless of the surrounding situation.
Interesting idea.
This could go well with a rise in bureaucracy linked to a peaceful period.
Quote from: CJvR on November 08, 2009, 06:32:04 PM
Yeah, but does he consider the purge a major problem at all or just a disturbance for the lokal authorities to handle? He does have other more pressing matter to attend as the purge was under some of the worst years of the war IIRC.
Risking a civil war in the middle of a losing war is a big issue.
And he did not have to do much: stating things and sending the religious leaders would have been easier.
Quote from: Takiro on November 09, 2009, 12:07:28 AMGood stuff Ice, I just wanted to state that it is my hope that this series of discussions will produce superior characters operating in their truest form.
Using data from the Succession War game John had a Combat Ability of a 2, Military Ability of a 2, and an Administration Skill of 3. What does all that mean? Combat Ability was a number added to a single attack or defense roll if the Leader was present in the contested space. I would say this ability denoted Combat Training and Experience (i.e. Mechwarrior or line service). Military Ability allowed any two friendly units to combine combat values if the Leader was present. This I would say was general strategic acumen. While Administration raised additional tax revenue in game and I would say is what it sounds like - ability to govern. On all these skills John compares favorably to his counterparts only outclassed by Jinjiro (who has a 3 in both Combat and Military) when it comes martial skills.
I forgot to use that game.
According to what I read here, he would be average in combat and strategical abilities, which is coherent with an old man that was trained years ago and did not deploy armies that often (or a decent strategist with a Paper Tiger army slow to react).
Quote from: Takiro on November 09, 2009, 12:07:28 AMIs he a Mechwarrior? (I would say yes) If so what Mech does he pilot? (just a guess Battlemaster??)
Probably as most Davion were trained as 'MechWarriors.
As for his 'Mech, no clue but maybe it could be a tradition to have the biggest 'Mech available (or it could become one, just look at Ian's 'Mech).
Quote from: Takiro on November 09, 2009, 12:07:28 AMYour two different assessments may stem from a single truth in his underlying personality. He seems like an able manager but a responsive one perhaps overwhelmed by the staggering events of the day. What I'm trying to say is John doesn't seem very proactive or imaginative when it comes to his planning. He makes decisions only after the dye has been cast - often his reaction is good but tragically John always seems a step too slow.
See CJvR's answer.
We will have to chose one of the two solutions or combine both.
Quote from: Takiro on November 09, 2009, 12:07:28 AMI would also call him an stubborn idealist. Head in the clouds unable to see what really is instead reaching for that unattainable goal.
Which is?
According to the different sources, it is the good of his realm; after all
Quote from: blacktigeractual on November 09, 2009, 02:52:39 AMHe is a Davion
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but blacktigeractual thinks he believes in the Star League.
Quote from: blacktigeractual on November 09, 2009, 02:52:39 AMMy take on him is that he belives. John belives in the Star League so much that he pulls out all the stops to try to keep it together. This however causes him to be seen as overbearing and he unwittingly alienates people that if he had been more thoughtful in his approach.
I do not really agree with him as even before the fall of the Star League, he tried to become less dependant on the Star League
Quote from: Ice Hellion on November 08, 2009, 05:37:51 PM“Determined to look after the interests of his nation, he continued to encourage less reliance on the Star League.†(HHD)
but if blacktigeractual is correct, he fails (which is a hint of his real ability to govern or the inefficiency of the Federated Suns bureaucracy, which would then favour the yes-men theory).
As I said and blacktigeractual seems to agree, he is a bit of a white knight or a highly morale guy in a real world (although he is also a master schemer when the need arose).
I am not sure he is trying to reach the impossible (as he is probably aware of the state of his army) but I think that he puts forwards that by right (not law) he is entitled to rule the Star League.
Does he believe in his own propaganda?
All this makes me look back in a strange way at the "elder statement" that he is supposed to be and at his cunning.