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General Notes
2720s Prince Richard Davion began building up the AFFS secretly in violation of Council Edict 2650 FM:FS p. 9
Edict of 2650 only limited the # of personel. Following the war of Davion Succession, Richard Davion began building up the number of mechs, tanks, fighters, creating a large stockpile. He also increased the numbers of reserves & militias which did not fall under the active duty personnel caps. HBHD p. 45
Independant Regiments
1st Argyle Lancers - formed from an SLDF unit that did follow Kerensky FM:FS p.46
Argyle Lancers- originally a company of SLDF troops- later grew to a full regiment HDSB p. 144
1st Capellan Dragoons- Duke of Kathil’s private army formed into a front line regiment in 2835 FM:FS p.47
1st Fed Suns Armoed Cav - not formed until 3rd SW FM:FS p. 48
1st Kestral Grenadiers formed ? FM:FS p. 49
1st Kestral Grenadiers - originally household guard of Kestral’s House Cunningham HBHD p. 126
1st New Avalon Dragoons - originally light Armor Regiment that back Alexander Davion during Davion Civil War HDSB p. 43
1st New Avalon Dragoons renamed New Avalon Dragoon Guards & given place of honor on the AFFS rolls after the Civil War HDSB p.47
1st & 5th Victoria Lancers occupied Capella in 2367 HLSB p. 28
3rd Aragon Lancers destroyed on Capella in 2367 HLSB p. 28
1st Clovis Guards Regiment- commanded by Field Marshall Simons in 2787 may have been Clovis Combat Region March Militia unit HDSB p. 60
2nd Avalon Borderers- part of Mechwarrior cabal destroyed in 2960s HDSB p. 89
Unidentitfied mech regiment went merch during the purge under Andrew Davion. Became Hanson’s Roughriders FM:Merc p. 59
The unit that became Hanson’s roughriders went to FWL and merged with 12th Atrean Dragoons FM:Merc Sup P. 37
Richards Panzers Brigade- former AFFS mech regiment (unspecified) which went merc during the 3rd SW HSSB p. 76
Panzer Brigade- formed in 2nd SW, went merc during 3rd SW as Little Richards Panzer Brigade FM:Merc p. 73
107th Light Cavalry fought in the Reunification War Periphery 1e p. 30
237th Light Cavalry fought in Reunification War, deserted became Tortugan Pirates Periphery 1e p. 154
Avalon Hussars
one of the oldest formations in the FS, traces back to Alliance Marines, Stranded on New Avalon and later joined the FS rather then return to the Terran Hegemony. Became one of the first organizations to field an entire Battlemech Regiment. Several regiments lost during the Davion Civil War, Originally (at start of 1st SW or earlier it is unclear when Originally references) the Hussars had 26 Mech Regiments and 33 conventional regiments. FM: FS p. 51
AH trace their history back to an Alliance Tank Regiment called the Avalon Hussars. By the time Battlemechs were introduced the unit was over 30 regiments, HDSB p. 138
1st AH attacked New Aragon in 2930 HDSB p. 83
2nd AH commanded by Melissa Davion prior to 2876 HDSB p. 79
4th AH fought on Colia in 2872 HDSB p.77
11th AH formed ? FM:FS p. 52
12th AH fought the CC in 2762 HDSB p. 102
13th AH led by Marshal E. Dryer before 1st SW (marshal Dryer was a stronger believer that the DC was going to attack the FS and was ultimately demoted) HDSB p. 59
14th AH based on Orbisonia in 2828 HDSB p. 66
15th AH fought on Rio in 2982 HDSB p. 180
16th AH - unit was in existance circa 2795 HDSB p. 114
17th Ah formed ? FM:FS p. 53
17th AH fought on New Rhodes in 2796 HDSB p. 62
20th AH formed ? FM:FS p. 54
22nd Ah formed ? FM:FS p. 55
22nd AH fought DC in 2796 TR3025 p. 118
23rd AH fought on Dahar iIV n 2830 HDSB p. 68
33rd AH invaded Thomas in CC in 3011 HLSB p. 90
34th AH disbanded 3020s incorporated into the 42nd AH HDSB p. 138
36th AH disbanded 3020s incorporated into the 42nd AH HDSB p. 138
38th AH - 1 battalion commanded by Michael Barlow stationed on Cussar/Barlow’s Folly in 2787 HDSB p. 60
39th AH formed ? FM:FS p. 56
41st AH formed ? FM:FS p. 57
42nd AH deactivated during 1st SW after suffering heavy losses FM:FS p. 58
56th AH destroyed on Towne in 2785 HDSB p. 58
Chisholm Raiders not formed unti 2892 FM:FS p. 59
Ceti Hussars
formed in early 28th Century, based loosely on SLDF RCTs, 2nd & 3rd Hussars formed after the Exodus with former SLDF troops. FM:FS p. 62
1st CH formed prior to 2760 FM:FS p. 63
2nd CH - formed from SLDF 8th Striker and 1894th LH (seems suspect- 8th Striker - fighting Urukhai, 1894th LH =BSI) Formed ? FM:FS p.64
3rd CH Formed from SLDF 199th & 396th Dragoon Regiments & 250th BM Division (250th = Screaming eagles???) formed after the Exodus exact date? FM:FS p. 65
9th Ceti Hussars fought on Harrow’s Sun in 3020 Fox’s Teeth p. 7 Galtor P. 8
Crucis Lancers
Formed from SLDF troops that remained behind. Not created from any specific units, but rather random troops who joined the FS. Prince John formed 2 RCTs around these soldiers. These troops did not see combat but instead trained several more Crucis Lancer formations FM:FS p. 66
1st & 2nd CL had superior weapons acquired from SLDF stockpiles HDSB p. 140
1st CL New Avalon Lancers - formed ? FM:FS p. 67
2nd CL Ketsral Lancers formed ? FM:FS p. 68
3rd CL Achernar Lancers formed ? FM:FS p. 69
3rd CL invaded CC in 2808 HLSB p. 47
4th CL Point Barrow Lancers formed ? FM:FS p. 70
5th CL Remagen Lancers formed ? FM:FS p. 71
5th CL invaded CC in 2808 HLSB p. 47
6th CL Tsamma Lancers formed ? FM:FS p. 72
7th CL Broken Wheel Charioteers fought on Kentaries against DC formed ? FM:FS p.73
7th CL station on Kentares IV in 2796 HDSB p. 62
7th CL newly formed in 2796 Fox’s Teeth p. 6
7th CL - one of the 1st CL units formed HDSB p. 141
8th CL Islamabad Lancers formed ? FM:FS p.74
Davion Brigade of Guards
Started as the personal guards of the Davions, eventually grew in sizeFM:FS p. 75
In 3025 contins 8 mech regiments & 50 lesser regiments HDSB p. 137
Size of the Davion Guards grew so much that they were renamed the Davion Brigade of Guards in 2600s. HDSB p. 137
Davion Assault Guards -t he Crushers formed ?FM:FS p. 76
Davion Assault Guards - fought on Orbisonia in 2828 HDSB p. 66
Davion Heavy Guards - formed mid 26th Century FM:FS p. 77
Davion Light Guards - specialize in recon & raiding, light mechs & vehicles formed ? FM:FS p.78
1st DG - dates to Davion Civil War- rebuilt from survivors of the Brigade loyal to Prince Alexander FM:FS p. 79
2nd DG formed ? FM:FS p. 80
2nd DG on Sanilac in 2834 HDSB p. 69
3d DG formed ? FM:FS p. 81
4th DG formed ? FM:FS p. 82
4th DG fought on David in 2876 HDSB p. 79
5th DG formed ? FM:FS p. 83
New Ivaarsen Chasseurs formed between 2850-2900 FM:FS p. 97
Robinson Rangers - originally a volunteer brigade that participated in the defense of Robinson and was destroyed during the 1st SW when Robinson was captured. - not clear if the rangers were raised specifically to defend against the DC invasion or if they exist prior to that FM:FS p.100
Syrtis Fusiliers
Private army of the Haseks, absorbed into the AFFS after the Davion Civil War FM:FS p.104
1st SF - very strange reference - does not seem to belong in the book HLSB p. 32
4th SF fought on Demeter in 2828 HBHD p. 57
5th SF formed ? FM:FS p. 105
6th SF formed ? FM:FS p. 106
8th SF existed for several centuries FM:FS p.107
8th SF fought against the Varneys in 2565 HDSB p. 48
Unidentified Syrtis Hussars regiment (probably mean fusiliers) fought on Galtor in 2787 HKSB p. 54 TR3025 gives this as a SF unit (no # given) p. 22
March Militias
Long Before SL era AFFS realized they needed a stonger defense then just the militias. Took the strongest of the Militias in each PDZ and formed the March Militias FM:FS p.108
Capellan March Militias- Alcyone, Kathil, New Syrtis, Ridgebrook, Sirdar, Valexa, Warren FM:FS p. p. 109-112
Crucis March Militias - Anjin Muerto, Islamabad, Kestral, Malagrotta, Marlette, New Avalon, Remagen, Tsamma FM:FS p. 114- 118
Islamabad DMM began as the Messangers of Shiva in the Untied Hindu Colllectivejoined AFFS 2540 FM:FS p. 115
Malagrotta CMM formed later in the SW FM:FS p. 116
Draconis March Militias - Addicks, Bremond, Bryceland, Clovis, Dahar, Killborne, Mayetta, Milligan, Raman, Robinson FM:FS p.119- 124
12th Vegan Rangers- originally part of the private army of the Duchy of Verde. Became merc during 2nd SW rather then being absorbed in the AFFS. formed during 1st SW? FM:Merc Rev p. 107
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CJvR
IIRC the 3'rd & 5'th Crucis Lancers had some bad vibes with the Capellans so they had to have been active on the Capellan frontier earlier.
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Quote from: CJvR on April 09, 2009, 07:19:15 PM
IIRC the 3'rd & 5'th Crucis Lancers had some bad vibes with the Capellans so they had to have been active on the Capellan frontier earlier.
That may be - but the dates given were the earliest references that I could find.
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FirstStarLord
The exact number of March Militia Units active in 2785 is up for dispute. Notice the Crucis March has eleven Combat Regions but only eight regiments to defend it. I'll take a guess and say the other three were broken up during the SWs to patch up holes in line units.
With the Capellan March the situation was quite different. Worlds like Valexa, Sirdar and Alcyone were still part of the CC in 2785, so it would have been impossible for March Militia units to be raised from them. I doubt the AFFS would only have four March Militia units guarding the Capellan March*, so I assume there were other now disbanded regiments that were stationed there.
The Draconis March Militia was probably very similar to its current form. Ten regiments seem about right, though the worlds they were named for probably were somewhat different due to the loss of territory in the 1st SW.
*Remember that the AFFS considered the Capellans its biggest threat at the start of the war. The defences in the Capellan March must have been quite large and developed.
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wolfcannon
Unidentitfied mech regiment went merch during the purge under Andrew Davion. Became Hanson’s Roughriders FM:Merc p. 59
The unit that became Hanson’s roughriders went to FWL and merged with 12th Atrean Dragoons FM:Merc Sup P. 37
could this be a missing Avalon Hussars regiment?
Richards Panzers Brigade- former AFFS mech regiment (unspecified) which went merc during the 3rd SW HSSB p. 76
Panzer Brigade- formed in 2nd SW, went merc during 3rd SW as Little Richards Panzer Brigade FM:Merc p. 73
could this be a missing Avalon Hussars regiment?
107th Light Cavalry fought in the Reunification War Periphery 1e p. 30
237th Light Cavalry fought in Reunification War, deserted became Tortugan Pirates Periphery 1e p. 154
why not have the Light Cavalry as second line troops that are drawn across the entire fed suns. heck they had 237 units many of which were destroyed during the reunification and civil wars. the rest could have been lost during the first succession war during the kurita's push toward New Avalon.
1st & 5th Victoria Lancers occupied Capella in 2367 HLSB p. 28
3rd Aragon Lancers destroyed on Capella in 2367 HLSB p. 28
ahh the old FPF i have my own take on them.
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Rainbow 6
I thought the Roughriders and Panzer Brigade are stated as being Draconis March regiments in there FM:Mercs write ups?
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Wolfcannon
ill look but dont think so
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Quote from: Rainbow 6 on April 13, 2009, 11:48:50 AM
I thought the Roughriders and Panzer Brigade are stated as being Draconis March regiments in there FM:Mercs write ups?
Hanson's roughriders were based in the DC when they left the fed suns but it is not clear what unit they were. The Panzer Brigade was said to be from a Davion regiment known as the Panzer Brigade, which was formed during the 2nd SW and went merc in the 3rd SW (FM:MERC p. 73)
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Wolfcannon
i take that to mean that say the (insert #) Avalon Hussars "The Panzer Brigade" is one way to take that.
remember units tend to get remembered by there unit nicknames.
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Quote from: wolfcannon on April 13, 2009, 11:03:34 PM
i take that to mean that say the (insert #) Avalon Hussars "The Panzer Brigade" is one way to take that.
remember units tend to get remembered by there unit nicknames.
Except that's not how references work in Battletech. For example: every time the 7th Crucis Lancers are mentioned it is as the 7th Crucis Lancers, not the Broken Wheel Charioteers. Given the way the reference is worded I am inclined to say that the FS deployed a unit that was called the Panzer Brigade. Maybe it was a precursor of the Federated Suns Armored Cavalry.
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Hessian
Regarding Hansen's Roughriders:
page 59 of FM:Mercs tells us that:
"Colonel Ludwig Hansen of the Roughriders,..., gathered his command and fled the Draconis March"
page 37 of FM:Mercs Supplemental I expands on this by stating that:
"When Ludwig Hansen, a distant relative of House Hansen fled House Davion with his unit in 2961 and merged his soldiers with the prominent Twelfth Atrean Dragoons, led by by Major-General Gerhardt Hansen"
So I guess Irose is right.
Regarding Little Richard's Panzer Brigade: page 73 of FM:Mercs tells us that:
"The unit is descended from the Panzer Brigade, a regular House Davion 'Mech regiment that served in the Second Succession War with mixed success. Early in the Third Succession War, the unit's CO, Colonel DeCord, was discovered dealing drugs. The brigade's executive officer held an inquisition and cast out DeCord and all other unit members suspected of being part of DeCord's organization. He then commandeered the DropShips assigned the unit as its separation pay and led the brigade from the Federated Suns".
The way it is worded I think that means that the Panzer Brigade was the unit's official name, not a
nickname.
Hope that helps
Ciao
Hessian
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FirstStarLord
You know the way that passage was phrased, the Panzer Brigade could have very well existed before the 2nd SW. We might want to consider it as a part of the AFFS in 2785.
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Rainbow 6
You know FSL's got a good point there.
Ok i have a soft spot for the Pazer Brigade too. Wink
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FirstStarLord
So what do we have here so far? As far as I can tell the AFFS in 2785 has the following:
26 Avalon Hussar Regiments
At least two 2 Crucis Lancer Regiments
3 or more Ceti Hussar Regiments
8 Davion Guard Regiments
At least 8 Sytris Fusiliers Regiments
25 to 30 March Militia Regiments
The 1st Clovis Guards
The 1st Argyle Lancers (Are they a full regiment at this time?)
The New Avalon Dragoon Guards (Did they exist at this time? Were they equipped with Battlemechs?)
The Panzer Brigade (Did they exist at this time?)
The Roughriders (Did they exist at this time? What was their name?)
The Franklin Gorgons
The Doughboys
The Davion Light Calvalry (Did they exist at this time? How many regiments?)
The Avalon Borderers (Did they exist at this time? How many regiments?)
The First Kestrel Grenadiers (Did they exist at this time?)
The Robinson Rangers (Did they exist at this time?)
The Syrtis Hussars (Do we keep them as a unit or write them off as a typo?)
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wolfcannon
we know the the Light Calvary had 237 regiments. yes i know the argument of the non sequential regiments etc etc. but here me out. of the Light Calvary units 1/3 was used in the Reunification War 1/3 were destroyed/struck/purged during the Civil War, the remaining 1/3rd were destroyed during the combine push to Avalon. the could be the progenitors of the March Militias also. we know the they were considered less valuable than the "Line Units" from how the treated the 237th before the unit fled to the tortugas. these units were throw away regiments is how i see them by the write up of the 237th because it was a Davion Commander not a Star League Commander who ordered the 237th into battle. Also you have the 1st & 5th Victoria Lancers occupied Capella in 2367 HLSB p. 28
3rd Aragon Lancers destroyed on Capella in 2367 HLSB p. 28 what happened to these units? albeit at this time they are only Infantry/armor units. they are more units than we know to the AFFS.
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Quote from: wolfcannon on April 17, 2009, 02:07:42 PM
we know the the Light Calvary had 237 regiments. yes i know the argument of the non sequential regiments etc etc. but here me out. of the Light Calvary units 1/3 was used in the Reunification War 1/3 were destroyed/struck/purged during the Civil War, the remaining 1/3rd were destroyed during the combine push to Avalon.
You are making a lot of assumptions here- there are only 2 references that I found to the Light Cavalry both in Periphery 1e. So we don't know anything about how many were destroyed at any time, how many units were in the formation or even if they had mechs.
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the could be the progenitors of the March Militias also.
I can date the March Militias to before the SL era so this is doubtful.
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we know the they were considered less valuable than the "Line Units" from how the treated the 237th before the unit fled to the tortugas. these units were throw away regiments is how i see them by the write up of the 237th because it was a Davion Commander not a Star League Commander who ordered the 237th into battle.
Again you are assuming that how the 237th was treated is representative of the entire formation. Maybe it was an FS commander who order the unit against Sterope - the material could be read that way -as it does refer to their "Callous former comrades in the Federated Suns" but it is not conclusive. Maybe they were less valuable because they were armor regiments, not mech regiments. And being realistic there is no way the AFFS had 237 mech regiments in the Light Cavalry formation when the Avalon Hussars had less then 30. I included the Light Cavalry in the unit listing because it is unclear what they are and we should atleast consider them-but I would never support a 237 regiment strong mech force.
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Also you have the 1st & 5th Victoria Lancers occupied Capella in 2367 HLSB p. 28
3rd Aragon Lancers destroyed on Capella in 2367 HLSB p. 28 what happened to these units? albeit at this time they are only Infantry/armor units. they are more units than we know to the AFFS.
These were armor or infantry units in 2367 and probably remained that way if they survived to 2785.
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wolfcannon
irose i understand your position, they could be an combined arms unit 1 batt Mech/1 batt armor/1 batt inf.
i could see that but i take that they had 237 regiments. it also states in the House Davion sourcebook during the civil war of a large Fed Suns army that was split between Rostock/Alexander/Varney. Rostock was based out of the Terran March i believe. Varney had the Crucis March a i believe the Capellan March. Alexander would eventually win over many regiments to his side and eventually join Rostock. so i can see the Light Calvary having 237 regiments. also a point to make out is that the Light Horse could have earned a questionable rating due to their actions during the civil war, yes i am taking a broad view but with so little info. i personally can see a combined arms army of this type before the reunifacation war. also why would they not upgrade the Victoria and Aragon Lancers? they have done so with the Avalon Hussars which started as a Terran armor regiment stationed on New Avalon.
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Quote from: wolfcannon on April 17, 2009, 04:57:42 PM
irose i understand your position, they could be an combined arms unit 1 batt Mech/1 batt armor/1 batt inf.
i could see that but i take that they had 237 regiments.
I doubt it because that is still 79 mech regiments worth of forces. And as for 237th=237 regiments I would like to point out the US 101st Airborne Division and the fact that the US does not have 101 divisions, much less 101 airborne divisions. Just because there is a large number used does not in any way mean that there were that many units actually created.
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it also states in the House Davion sourcebook during the civil war of a large Fed Suns army that was split between Rostock/Alexander/Varney. Rostock was based out of the Terran March i believe. Varney had the Crucis March a i believe the Capellan March. Alexander would eventually win over many regiments to his side and eventually join Rostock. so i can see the Light Calvary having 237 regiments.
237 armored regiments- yes that I can see- 237 mech regiments- that number is very out of line with the other numbers that we have seen in the various books.
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also why would they not upgrade the Victoria and Aragon Lancers? they have done so with the Avalon Hussars which started as a Terran armor regiment stationed on New Avalon.
Because not every armored regiment was upgrade to a mech regiment.
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FirstStarLord
Quote from: lrose on April 18, 2009, 01:32:04 AM
Because not every armored regiment was upgrade to a mech regiment.
Bingo. By the time the 1st SW rolled around, only a few regiments might have remained, the rest having been either converted to mechs, destroyed, or disbanded in the aftermath of the Edict of 2650. Perhaps overshadowed by more glamorous units created after them, the AFFS really did not seem to mind the eventual disbanding of this meta formation.
How this decline of the FSLC happened might be something we could expand on.
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: FirstStarLord on April 18, 2009, 02:40:18 AM
Bingo. By the time the 1st SW rolled around, only a few regiments might have remained, the rest having been either converted to mechs, destroyed, or disbanded in the aftermath of the Edict of 2650. Perhaps overshadowed by more glamorous units created after them, the AFFS really did not seem to mind the eventual disbanding of this meta formation.
How this decline of the FSLC happened might be something we could expand on.
Probably because they believed in the "we are all friends" mantra.
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BlackTigerActual
I was planning on having one of the Tigers' cadre units become the 4th Crucis in 2790 if that helps.
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Takiro
Okay now that we've established the outline of two House armies we come to what I think should be the largest at this time. If the DCMS was the second largest that would mean our target number for the AFFS in 2785 would be 135+ Mech Regiments.
If we can agree on that we can go onto confirmed units which I'm looking at right now.
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Takiro
Still researching but I wanted to repost a UNR article that has bearing on our discussion.
Eye of the Tiger
New Avalon (Federated News Service)
September 1, 2785
The recent DCMS raid on Kesai IV, which was repulsed by our brave soldiers on planet, has caused some to question our military’s capabilities. While the First Prince himself admitted in a recent interview that he would like to see better performance in future conflicts he remained confident in the AFFS fighting ability. In fact many in the High Command laud their troops fighting spirit and interservice competitiveness. As a whole these officers claim this rivalry gives them an edge over any opponent. Some refer to warriors with this drive for success during a fight as having the “Eye of the Tigerâ€.
Whatever the case maybe the Federated Suns currently fields the largest military in the InnerSphere. While this numerical lead over our neighbors may exist on paper it is a tangible representation of the strength of the AFFS. Only the Draconis Combine, which regularly evaded Star League arms restrictions to grow its own military, can come close to matching this martial force. The Capellan Confederation with its poor industry and short sighted leadership struggles to keep pace with the other Great Houses of the InnerSphere. Both the Terran Republic and the Taurian Concordat are still rebuilding their armed forces from the devastating Amaris Crisis; neither seems to have much of a desire to fight us. Finally our weakest neighbor, the Outworlds Alliance, is busy avoiding a civilian catastrophe of its own and has no active military threat force.
The AFFS managed to achieve this grand military build up legally, unlike the Dragon, through clever expansion of existing militia forces. After the War of Davion Succession the need to upgrade the Federated Suns military was obvious for all to see. First Prince Richard Davion oversaw the passage of the Preparedness Act of 2735 which was the cornerstone of these efforts. This Act created the Davion Landwehr Program that required every citizen to undergo mandatory military training followed by a full term of national service in their respective planetary militia. By creating this vast pool of reservists while at the same time stockpiling arms in key locations across the realm Prince Davion successfully produced a massive army that didn’t violate any lawful Star League Edicts.
Prior to the breakdown of the Star League the AFFS was made up of three distinct ground combat groups. The first of these is the Regular Army which is made up of the Davion Guards, the Avalon Hussars, and the Ceti Hussars. These frontline forces are backed up by the bulk of the Federated Suns ground units known unofficially as Regional Forces. This group is made up of units like the Clovis Guards, the Syrtis Fusiliers, the Messengers of Shiva, the Kestrel Grenadiers, and the Franklin Gorgons. Joining these units drawn from the twenty two separate Combat Regions of the Federated Suns are the Training Cadres who serve as a proving ground for inexperienced soldiers destined for the Regular Army.
Following the dissolution of the Star League our military augmented its formidable might by recruiting former members of that once great organization. Many agreed to merge directly with the AFFS and swear an oath of fealty to House Davion. These personnel were incorporated into five new BattleMech regiments which included the 2nd and 3rd Ceti Hussars as well as the newly created Crucis Lancers and the Andalusian Cazadores. Several independent BattleMech companies like the Argyle Lancers and McKinnon’s Company are also part of this contingent. Finally Prince Davion has hired mercenaries, many formerly of the SLDF, to bolster our defenses further.
From the hard data provided here and from what we witnessed while compiling this report it appears that the concerns of a few critics are unfounded. Perhaps there are a couple of minor issues facing the AFFS but nothing that would show abject weakness to any of our enemies. I would like to thank the High Command for their permission to investigate several areas of interest and for their high level of cooperation. Our access to this colossus was virtually unrestricted and it was a pleasure to tour the finest military in known space. Everyone should know that our armed forces stand ready to defend our nation and all of its rightful claims.
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takiro
Armed Forces of the Federated Suns
135+ BattleMech Regiments (as of 2785)
Regular Army (40 regiments)
The following units of the Regular Army I can already confirm. These national commands seem to be the easiest to account for because they carried over to 3025. The Andalusian Cazadores are a BTSD creation already hinted at in FM TR 2785 that replaces the Deneb Light Cavalry.
Davion Guards (8 regiments)
Avalon Hussars (26 regiments)
Ceti Hussars (3 regiments)
Crucis Lancers (2 regiments)
Andalusian Cazadores (1 regiment)
Training Cadres (7 regiments?)
Again if we use the DCMS example that has approximately 5% of your total force reserved for these formations. As our target number for the AFFS is nearly 140 Mech regiments that could mean as many as 7 regiments could be training formations. The only large school that certainly uses these units is Albion. Are there others likely smaller? Of course we need to assemble a list of Federated Suns Military Academies
Regional Commands (60+ regiments?)
You can see the current arrangement (as of 2785) of Davion Marches and their twenty two separate Combat Regions on Fanmap 01. These forces I believe form the bulk of the AFFS at this time. If you look and agree with the rest of my math then this could mean as many as 60+ Mech Regiments spread over the 22 Combat Regions of the Federated Suns. An average of 3 Mech Regiments per Combat Region. The UNR news article above says “This group is made up of units like the Clovis Guards, the Syrtis Fusiliers, the Messengers of Shiva, the Kestrel Grenadiers, and the Franklin Gorgons.†Thoughts?
Independent Regiments (5-6 regiments?)
Two commands of note the Argyle Lancers (originally a company of SLDF troops) and McKinnon’s Company (another SLDF company eventually becomes the Fox’s Teeth and the 7th Crucis Lancers) are hardly regimental size. While I’m sure these commands exist at this time I just question their size. Perhaps as little as 5-6 regiments as of 2785??
March Militias (22 regiments?)
Do they exist in 2785? I’m pretty sure PDZs weren’t created later as a result of the debacles of this conflict and as a result the March Militia reference could be suspect. However if they do exist at this time then we can pencil in 22 Mech Regiments, one for each Combat Region. Pretty easy to do if we agree that they exist.
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Quote from: Takiro on May 04, 2009, 01:00:07 AM
Armed Forces of the Federated Suns
135+ BattleMech Regiments (as of 2785)
Regular Army (40 regiments)
The following units of the Regular Army I can already confirm. These national commands seem to be the easiest to account for because they carried over to 3025. The Andalusian Cazadores are a BTSD creation already hinted at in FM TR 2785 that replaces the Deneb Light Cavalry.
Davion Guards (8 regiments)
Avalon Hussars (26 regiments)
Ceti Hussars (3 regiments)
Crucis Lancers (2 regiments)
Andalusian Cazadores (1 regiment)
The Crucis Lancers should be listed as 2 regiments plus more forming- the 1st & 2nd trained several other regiments early in the SWs.
We also have another potential organization- the Avalon Borderers we know the 2nd was destroyed in 2960 (HDSB p. 89) I have no other references for them and so I don't know if they existed in 2785 or how big they would be.
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Training Cadres (7 regiments?)
Again if we use the DCMS example that has approximately 5% of your total force reserved for these formations. As our target number for the AFFS is nearly 140 Mech regiments that could mean as many as 7 regiments could be training formations. The only large school that certainly uses these units is Albion. Are there others likely smaller? Of course we need to assemble a list of Federated Suns Military Academies
Keep in mind that the training battalions like the Kittery Battalion were developed by Hanse Davion and would not exist at this time- only units associated with an Academy would exist.
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Regional Commands (60+ regiments?)
You can see the current arrangement (as of 2785) of Davion Marches and their twenty two separate Combat Regions on Fanmap 01. These forces I believe form the bulk of the AFFS at this time. If you look and agree with the rest of my math then this could mean as many as 60+ Mech Regiments spread over the 22 Combat Regions of the Federated Suns. An average of 3 Mech Regiments per Combat Region. The UNR news article above says “This group is made up of units like the Clovis Guards, the Syrtis Fusiliers, the Messengers of Shiva, the Kestrel Grenadiers, and the Franklin Gorgons.†Thoughts?
I have no problem with the numbers- but we should probably downplay the regional aspect at this point- unts like the Syrtis Fusiliers were absorbed into the AFFS following the Davion Civil War- then again during the SWs we see the rise of units like the Kathil Dragoons and New Iversaan Chasseurs who blur the line the between private armies and federal forces. The Messangers of Shiva work- they later became the Islamabad CMM (they may already go by that name in 2785 based on my research). Didn't we make the Franklin Gorgons a merc unit?
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Independent Regiments (5-6 regiments?)
Two commands of note the Argyle Lancers (originally a company of SLDF troops) and McKinnon’s Company (another SLDF company eventually becomes the Fox’s Teeth and the 7th Crucis Lancers) are hardly regimental size. While I’m sure these commands exist at this time I just question their size. Perhaps as little as 5-6 regiments as of 2785??
I wonder if the Argyle Lancers and McKinnons Company are the 2 notable exceptions to all of the SLDF forces joining the Crucis Lancers. It is possible that the FS did not have any independent regiments at this time.
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March Militias (22 regiments?)
Do they exist in 2785? I’m pretty sure PDZs weren’t created later as a result of the debacles of this conflict and as a result the March Militia reference could be suspect. However if they do exist at this time then we can pencil in 22 Mech Regiments, one for each Combat Region. Pretty easy to do if we agree that they exist.
We do have a contradiction here to work out - the Capellan March and Draconis March both were organized into Combat Regions at this point- the PDZs did not come into existance later - largely due to the way the DC tore into the FS through the Clovis Combat Region- but FM:FS talks about the March Militas being formed before the SL era from the strongest militia forces in each PDZ (FM:FS p. 108). What I would suggest is that we create a March Militia system composed of regional units - such as the Messengers of Shiva or the Clovis Guards. But these are very irregular forces- for example the Messengers of Shiva may have 3 regiments, while the Savonburg Combat Region only has a single regiment. Following the reorganization of the FS into PDZs, the March Militias could be standardized into their current organization. Maybe the Kestral Grenadiers started out this way with several regiments and when the PDZs were formed part of them became a march militia and the rest became a front line unit.
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FirstStarLord
The March Militias exist in 2785, there is really no disputing it. FM: FS states they were formed before the Star League era, and no other source has ever contridicted that statement. Looking at the borders that existed in just after the 1st SW (from HB: HD) gives me the impression that around 25 to 30 such regiments existed before the war. Most would have been stationed in the Draconis and Crucis Marches, as the Capellan march was still a relatively small part of the FS at that time. They also would have had multiple armor, infantry and other combat support elements as a part of their order of battle, but since this was a good century before the AFFS started focusing on combined arms tactics, their ability to use all of their resources would have been limited.
Also, I doubt that there would be some sort of formal division between the Regular Army units recruited nationally and those who were raised from specific marches or combat regions. The Syrtis Fusiliers and Robinson Rangers are always depicted as Regular Army units in canon, so I don't see why that should be changed. The problem of regionalism in the AFFS is one that only manifests itself on the field of battle and in the courts of the nobility. As far as Prince Davion and his advisors know it does not exist, nor would they support it if they were aware. Afterall, the whole point of Alexander Davion's reforms was to prevent an AFFS balkanized by provincial loyalties from ever happening again. Too bad for his descendents he failed at that task.
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Takiro
Quote from: lrose on May 04, 2009, 01:59:04 AM
The Crucis Lancers should be listed as 2 regiments plus more forming- the 1st & 2nd trained several other regiments early in the SWs.
Very true Irose, several Lancer commands will come together over the first years of the Succession War. We should note the 2 regiments training or being split up to form other Lancer units.
Quote from: lrose on May 04, 2009, 01:59:04 AM
We also have another potential organization- the Avalon Borderers we know the 2nd was destroyed in 2960 (HDSB p. 89) I have no other references for them and so I don't know if they existed in 2785 or how big they would be.
I did see that in your notes. I would propose that the Avalon Borderers are the Regional Command of the New Avalon Combat Region.
Quote from: lrose on May 04, 2009, 01:59:04 AM
Keep in mind that the training battalions like the Kittery Battalion were developed by Hanse Davion and would not exist at this time- only units associated with an Academy would exist.
Yup, we still have to list all Davion Military Academies of 2785. Maybe we could lump forming units in this area as well. Not sure on that though.
Quote from: lrose on May 04, 2009, 01:59:04 AM
I have no problem with the numbers- but we should probably downplay the regional aspect at this point- unts like the Syrtis Fusiliers were absorbed into the AFFS following the Davion Civil War- then again during the SWs we see the rise of units like the Kathil Dragoons and New Iversaan Chasseurs who blur the line the between private armies and federal forces. The Messangers of Shiva work- they later became the Islamabad CMM (they may already go by that name in 2785 based on my research). Didn't we make the Franklin Gorgons a merc unit?
I wonder if some of the Regional Commands account for the growth of those private armies. Meaning I doubt they were all destroyed but you still need to reform your AFFS. Instead of keeping the problem units on why not break them down. Some of these returning soldiers could then form the Ducal Units in question.
The Franklin Gorgons are not a merc units perhaps your thinking of the Doughboys which we did make mercs. I was thinking Franklin Combat Region.
Quote from: lrose on May 04, 2009, 01:59:04 AM
I wonder if the Argyle Lancers and McKinnons Company are the 2 notable exceptions to all of the SLDF forces joining the Crucis Lancers. It is possible that the FS did not have any independent regiments at this time.
The evidence suggests that there were independent units at this time just not that large. Do we have any other units that would fit here?
Quote from: lrose on May 04, 2009, 01:59:04 AM
We do have a contradiction here to work out - the Capellan March and Draconis March both were organized into Combat Regions at this point- the PDZs did not come into existance later - largely due to the way the DC tore into the FS through the Clovis Combat Region- but FM:FS talks about the March Militas being formed before the SL era from the strongest militia forces in each PDZ (FM:FS p. 108). What I would suggest is that we create a March Militia system composed of regional units - such as the Messengers of Shiva or the Clovis Guards. But these are very irregular forces- for example the Messengers of Shiva may have 3 regiments, while the Savonburg Combat Region only has a single regiment. Following the reorganization of the FS into PDZs, the March Militias could be standardized into their current organization. Maybe the Kestral Grenadiers started out this way with several regiments and when the PDZs were formed part of them became a march militia and the rest became a front line unit.
Yeah I will have to do more research and get more input here. How did the Davion Landwehr Program play in here? Were only a third of these units active at any one time?
Quote from: FirstStarLord on May 04, 2009, 02:15:33 AM
The March Militias exist in 2785, there is really no disputing it. FM: FS states they were formed before the Star League era, and no other source has ever contridicted that statement. Looking at the borders that existed in just after the 1st SW (from HB: HD) gives me the impression that around 25 to 30 such regiments existed before the war. Most would have been stationed in the Draconis and Crucis Marches, as the Capellan march was still a relatively small part of the FS at that time. They also would have had multiple armor, infantry and other combat support elements as a part of their order of battle, but since this was a good century before the AFFS started focusing on combined arms tactics, their ability to use all of their resources would have been limited.
I would go with 22 Mech regiments, as the core of course, if this is the case. It is per map and canon information which has 22 Combat Regions making up the Federated Suns in 2785.
Quote from: FirstStarLord on May 04, 2009, 02:15:33 AM
Also, I doubt that there would be some sort of formal division between the Regular Army units recruited nationally and those who were raised from specific marches or combat regions. The Syrtis Fusiliers and Robinson Rangers are always depicted as Regular Army units in canon, so I don't see why that should be changed. The problem of regionalism in the AFFS is one that only manifests itself on the field of battle and in the courts of the nobility. As far as Prince Davion and his advisors know it does not exist, nor would they support it if they were aware. Afterall, the whole point of Alexander Davion's reforms was to prevent an AFFS balkanized by provincial loyalties from ever happening again. Too bad for his descendents he failed at that task.
I would have to disagree with you on this point FSL. The entries concerning the Clovis Guards in HDSB seem to indicate the existance of these Regional Commands which are part of the AFFS. This isn't to say they are FWL like independent minded. They are part and parcell of the AFFS but just so overly concerned with protecting their turf that they fail to see the big picture. The Regular Army just denotes a force that is stationed throughout the realm rather than just in one region.
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Takiro
Combat Regions
Hmm, trying to determine the Combat Regions of the Federated Suns at this time. While I have these 22 areas outlined on Fanmap 01 some interesting clues might be contained within HDSB. Page 122 of the PDF details the New Avalon Regional Command (NARC) and gives us an intriguing insight. It says that the Crucis March “uses the older Combat Regions system, which are defensive regions corresponding to Administrative Areas.†These Areas are listed on page 106 of the PDF which in 3025 and could provide us with the key to unlocking the Combat Regions of the Draconis and Capellan Marches. Although these areas could have changed over the centuries negating this information and at first glance it appears that the Draconis March has undergone significant changes. Plus it doesn’t look like the Capellan March works out for us. Ang suggestions?
Draconis March (6, with possible candidates)
Clovis Combat Region
(Robinson) Combat Region
Franklin Combat Region
(Verde) Combat Region
(Tancredi or Woodbine) Combat Region
(Kilbourne) Combat Region
Crucis March (10)
Marlette Combat Region
Kestrel Combat Region
New Avalon Combat Region
Tsamma Combat Region
Point Barrow Combat Region
Remagen Combat Region
Anjin Muerto Combat Region
Broken Wheel Combat Region
Killarney Combat Region
Islamabad Combat Region
Capellan March (6)
(Chesterton) Combat Region
(Emerson or Kathil) Combat Region
(Ogilvile or Jenet?) Combat Region
(New Syrtis or Hobbs) Combat Region
(Pleiades) Combat Region
(Warren or Lothair?) Combat Region
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Rainbow 6
AFFS military Academies 2785 other than Albion:-
NAMA - became NAIS and expanded in 3020's
Sakhara Academy
Battle Academy of Robinson
Warrior's Hall New Syrtis
Kilbourne Academy
Filtvelt Academy
Point Barrow Academy
That's it i think, Goshen is created later in the succession wars.
Edit got Goshen & Sakhara back to front.
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Takiro
Thanks Six here is what I got on the Davion Military Academies.
Albion Military Academy (New Avalon) - The oldest and most prestigious military academy in the Federated Suns was created in the 2400s as an officers school for the New Avalon Militia. The Star League took over Albion in 2604 renovating and expanding its facilities. After serving with the SLDF Davion citizens were welcomed into the AFFS frequently receiving rapid promotions. Many of the school's instructors refused Kerenslky's call for Exodus following the Amaris Coup leaving the Federated Suns in control of this state of the art academy. Albion has a fierce rivalry with NAMA who considers itself "the only true Davion military academy".
New Avalon Military Academy (New Avalon) - The NAMA was constructed about a decade after the SLDF took over Albion so that New Avalon could continue to contribute its fair share of soldiers to the AFFS. Considered the Davion Military Academy by the instructors and students of NAMA they are fanatically loyal to the House unlike others who served "foreign causes". Many Albion grads often complain about the attitude of NAMA grads who never really forgave the Star League for the War of Davion Succession.
Warrior's Hall (New Syrtis) - Began its service life as a military hall for the SLDF and the AFFS who frequently challenged each others skill. A series of Gauntlets was established by the two groups which eventually became a fully operational military academy teaching every discipline save Jumpship operations.
Robinson Battle Academy (Robinson) - As the Star League fell financing of this facility was approved. The Federated Suns newest military academy has just begun teaching its first classes.
Armstrong Flight Academy (Galax) - This facility is currently under construction at Galax to train naval crews for the coming war. Location was chosen for the nearby Federated Boeing Megaplex.
Sakhara Academy (Sakhara) - This private military academy was established by a retired group of Star League officers in 2613. While any who can pay their way is accepted the Academy turns out superb warriors. While graduating classes are few in number they have proven themselves in Davion service despite constant scorn for Davion grads at NAMA.
Point Barrow Military Academy (Point Barrow) - Known for its technical training
Kilbourne Academy (Kilbourne) - Backwater military school in the Draconis March
War Academy of Goshen could be a new facility as in 3025 it is referred to as training for the past 70 years. Unfortunately Filtvelt Military Academy is said to have been recently built. Both these pieces of info from HDSB shoot down
We missing any facilities that could have been destroyed? How about one on Chesterton? Could have been leveled by Liao.
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Takiro
Sorry about that gang.
I think I've got an insight into Independent Commands. Looking at two units in particular, the 1st Aragon Borderers and the 1st Kittery Borderers, Both units are formed as the result of a decision to reinforce a planet's militia rather than send more Regular Army units to the world in question. To accomplish this the High Command sends in a lesser unit often battalion size to stiffen defenses. Currently we have two companies, the Argyle Lancers and McKinnon's Company, that are full of experienced SL personnel capable of strengthening the position of any garrison. What do you think?
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Muttley
It makes sense for Chesterton to have one...
Chesterton College of Conflict, Combat and Intelligence? C4I Wink
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Takiro
Thanks Mutt, even though the college may go boom calling it C4 might be a little much. Grin
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FirstStarLord
There should probably be at least one more naval academy as well. If Armstrong was only being built in 2785, then where would most of the warship officers and crews be trained?
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Hessian
Regarding other military academies:
the Greenock Flight Academy on Firgrove is mentioned in the fluff for the Vulcan AerospaceFighter in
TRO: 3075. If this academy existed back in 2785 is another question though(or if it is a rebuilt facility )...
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Rainbow 6
Quote from: muttley on May 05, 2009, 12:36:17 AM
It makes sense for Chesterton to have one...
Chesterton College of Conflict, Combat and Intelligence? C4I Wink
If Chesterton was a Liao Commonality Capital it should be called the Chestertan Martial Academy
Quote from: FirstStarLord on May 05, 2009, 02:44:50 AM
There should probably be at least one more naval academy as well. If Armstrong was only being built in 2785, then where would most of the warship officers and crews be trained?
They'd be trained at NAMA and now Albion.
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Takiro
Quote from: Hessian on May 05, 2009, 03:49:09 PM
Regarding other military academies:
the Greenock Flight Academy on Firgrove is mentioned in the fluff for the Vulcan AerospaceFighter in
TRO: 3075. If this academy existed back in 2785 is another question though(or if it is a rebuilt facility )...
Thanks Hessian I will take a look. FirstStarLord has a good suggestion with an exclusively Naval Academy. You are right Six, NAMA and Albion would be the naval facilities before hand as of now. I'd like to add another neglected school for the navy in line with the AFFS philosophy. Ground forces first.
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Quote from: Takiro on May 05, 2009, 08:16:54 PM
Thanks Hessian I will take a look. FirstStarLord has a good suggestion with an exclusively Naval Academy. You are right Six, NAMA and Albion would be the naval facilities before hand as of now. I'd like to add another neglected school for the navy in line with the AFFS philosophy. Ground forces first.
I'd suggest either layover -home of Salvatore which was huge at this time or Panpour home of Challenge Systems.
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Takiro
Panpour got destroyed by a Kurita raid even though it was far from their border right? Not sure about Layover. I want a facility that could be at least damaged by an attack and its personnel relocated as a result.
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Quote from: Takiro on May 05, 2009, 09:00:20 PM
Panpour got destroyed by a Kurita raid even though it was far from their border right? Not sure about Layover. I want a facility that could be at least damaged by an attack and its personnel relocated as a result.
Layover is directly in the invasion path of the DC on their way to New Avalon and if it wasn't captured by the DC it was at least heavily raided. That's why I suggested it.
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Takiro
Layover sounds like a keeper then, any name suggestions?
I'm still looking over the Greenock Flight Academy on Firgrove that Hessian pointed out in the fluff for the Vulcan Aerospace Fighter in TRO: 3075.
I like the Chesterton Martial Academy as proposed by Six, but I don't think Chesterton was ever a Confederation world. Meaning the Capellan nation was formed after the Federated Suns conquered the planet. However, I still like the name.
I had more thoughts today on the composition of the 2785 AFFS. I really want to give them a Star League feel. Even before the break up of the Star League the Federated Suns was probably the biggest student of the SLDF which may have resulted in some organizational similarities. Arms control restrictions and cost cutting methods of the era likely limited the effectiveness of such a deployment but the reflection might remain the same. Could many of the Davion formations be styled after a "standard" Star League division?
If so I propose the following strengths; a total of 6 Mech Regiments for the Training Cadres. Both the Albion Training Cadre and the NAMA Cadet Cadre would have three Mech regiments each along with the appropriate conventional forces. In FM FS Albion has only two regiments so we are only adding one. As a side issue I'd like to replace Training Battalions with some kind of "widespread local recruiting tool" for the Davions. I'm sure they'd have one but what might it be? What form would it take?
How would the standard division principal apply to Regional Commands or Combatants? What if we commit a division, with 3 BattleMech regiments at its core, for each of the Federated Suns 22 Combat Regions? That would result in 66 Mech Regiments for these formations. Also keeping in mind the arms control measures of the Star League and the Davion Landwehr Program I was thinking that these divisions rotate active elements. For example a third of these troops would be considered active at one time while another third was maintained on ready alert while the final third would be off duty their equipment mothballed. Thoughts?
Finally the Independent Commands of the Federated Suns would account for only 3 Mech regiments. Three Companies (Argyle Lancers, McKinnon’s Raiders, and another as yet unnamed company), Two Battalions (as of yet unnamed) and Two Regiments (as of yet unnamed) would be dispersed throughout the Suns to stiffen defenses in vulnerable areas. These would be experienced commands (possibly staffed with former SLDF troopers) capable of strengthening the position of any garrison as I proposed yesterday.
So the Regular Army stays at 40 Mech regiments and the March Militias at 22 regiments (one for each Combat Region) these proposals would give the AFFS a strength of 137 Mech Regiments in 2785 which would make it the largest army of the day.
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Rainbow 6
Sounds good to me.
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MechRat
Tak,
I've been reading along and think this proposal is good one.
As for the name of the Naval Academy, were there any high-profile, well-respected Naval commanders in AFFS history? Maybe naming the academy after them?
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Scourge72
Sorry, I'm going totally off-topic here, but isn't Albion also where the Fable games take place?
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FirstStarLord
I think the AFFS could use a few more regiments to solidify its role as the largest of the IS militaries. Not a huge number mind you, but maybe an extra division or two assigned to the New Avalon Combat Region. It would give the First Prince an extra reserve to reinforce the other fronts with, allow the Golden Worlds to be strongly garrisoned without drawing to many regiments away from the Regular Army and keep the March Lords loyal with the knowledge that the Crucis March has the muscle to keep the Davions in charge.
Otherwise, great job Takiro.
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Takiro
Thanks guys just about to jump in the shower. I do have a few notes that I will impart tonight concerning academies but what I need now are names. I agree FirstStarLord we should add a few more regiments to the AFFS not many more but some. I would alot them to Independent Commands which is woefully short as of now. But I need units names. For a few Independent Commands and the Regionals as well. So suggest away!! Wink
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MechRat
Quote from: Takiro on May 06, 2009, 10:58:00 PM
Thanks guys just about to jump in the shower.
Don't jump in the shower, you might slip and fall! Shocked Cheesy
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Takiro
Oh boy Roll Eyes
Anyway while jumping in the shower I hit upon an obvious point. Since the AFFS is mirroring the SLDF it stands to reason they would do so with their Independent Regiments. As such we can use the SLDF Independent Regiments as inspiration for Davion Independent Regiments. I don't see CAAN units mind you but Dragoon, Hussar, and Light Horse or their Davion equivalents are must. You could also have a Striker style regiment even though it is a Line Unit along with the Heavy Assault and Battle regiments.
As for academies we have the Chesterton Martial Academy which was probably established after the Davion Civil War. I see many academies like those most likely to have been on March Capitals (Robinson for the Terran March, Filtvet for the Outworlds March, Tancredi for the Draconis March, and New Syrits for the Capellan March) before the Civil War disbanded after wards. Chesterton I was thinking could have been one of the new academies established by Alexander to poke the Liaos in the eye so to speak.
The Federated Naval Institute (FNI) on Layover would, along with Albion, be the only holdovers from the Federated Suns old military academy system. This oft overlooked facility could have been founded around 2330 as the premier naval academy for the Federated Peacekeeping Forces (FPF). There isn't much information on Layover except that it has vast deserts but the name of the planet/system could be a very interesting clue. Could this have been a place for "a short stop or break in a journey, usually imposed by scheduling requirements"? If so this could have been an early interstellar hub and reason to begin the growth of space industries. Layover is on the FS 2317 map near Robinson meaning it is an old world although it is outside of the Crucis Pact. Maybe we could set the founding date back some as a result but the reasoning is there. Anyway I figure the Institute always remained true to the Davions in spite of the treatment of the Navy which gradually was pushed to the back burner by the Army. This facility possibly was damaged in the War of Davion Succession starting some thinking of relocating the Naval Academy deeper in Davion space. Neglect and the new Galax facility are slowly spelling the end for FNI.
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Rainbow 6
I thought Woodbine was the original capital of the periphery march?
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takiro
Quote from: Rainbow 6 on May 07, 2009, 03:03:37 AM
I thought Woodbine was the original capital of the periphery march?
Sorry I didn't get back to you Six. During the 5 Principalities the Outworlds March capital was Filtvet, the Draconis March capital was Tancredi, the Terran March capital was Robinson.
I want to thank everyone for their input on the AFFS thus far, think we've got all the unit names now.
Armed Forces of the Federated Suns
139 BattleMech Regiments (as of 2785)
Regular Army (40 regiments)
I might change the overall name of this formation as the Regular Army is a catch all. Let me know if you have any suggestions here. Again these are national commands that roam the Federation at the discretion of the High Command. The Andalusian Cazadores are a BTSD creation already hinted at in FM TR 2785 that replaces the Deneb Light Cavalry.
Davion Guards (8 regiments)
Avalon Hussars (26 regiments)
Ceti Hussars (3 regiments)
Crucis Lancers (2 regiments)
Andalusian Cazadores (1 regiment)
Training Cadres (6 regiments)
Again if we use the DCMS example that has approximately 5% of your total force reserved for these formations. As our target number for the AFFS is nearly 140 Mech regiments that could mean as many as 7 regiments could be training formations. The only large school that certainly uses these units is Albion. Are there others likely smaller? Of course we need to assemble a list of Federated Suns Military Academies.
Albion Training Cadre (3 regiments) again style like a standard SL Division
NAMA Cadet Cadre (3 regiments) again style like a standard SL Division
Regional Commands (66 regiments)
You can see the current arrangement (as of 2785) of Davion Marches and their twenty two separate Combat Regions on Fanmap 01. These forces I believe form the bulk of the AFFS at this time. If you look and agree with the rest of my math then this could mean as many as 60+ Mech Regiments spread over the 22 Combat Regions of the Federated Suns. An average of 3 Mech Regiments per Combat Region. The UNR news article above says “This group is made up of units like the Clovis Guards, the Syrtis Fusiliers, the Messengers of Shiva, the Kestrel Grenadiers, and the Franklin Gorgons.†Thoughts? 3 Mech regiments for each command styled after a standard SL division, During the SL the High Command would rotate a third of these on/ready/off
Draconis March (6)
Clovis Guards (3 regiments) [Clovis Combat Region]
Robinson Reivers (3 regiments) [Robinson Combat Region]
Franklin Gorgons (3 regiments) [Franklin Combat Region]
Verde Lancers (3 regiments) [Verde Combat Region]
Tancredi Roughriders (3 regiments) [Tancredi Combat Region]
Kilbourne Defenders (3 regiments) [Kilbourne Combat Region]
Crucis March (10)
Marlette Musketeers (3 regiments) [Marlette Combat Region]
Kestrel Grenadiers (3 regiments) [Kestrel Combat Region]
Avalon Borderers (3 regiments) [New Avalon Combat Region]
Tsamma Kommandos (3 regiments) [Tsamma Combat Region]
Point Barrow Bulldogs (3 regiments) [Point Barrow Combat Region]
Remagen Panzer Brigade (3 regiments) [Remagen Combat Region]
Anjin Muerto Caballeros (3 regiments) [Anjin Muerto Combat Region]
Broken Wheel Charioteers (3 regiments) [Broken Wheel Combat Region]
Killarney Kerns (3 regiments) [Killarney Combat Region]
Messengers of Shiva (3 regiments) [Islamabad Combat Region]
Capellan March (6)
Chesterton Dragoons (3 regiments) [Chesterton Combat Region]
Emerson Pikemen (3 regiments) [Emerson Combat Region]
Hobbs Hospitaliers (3 regiments) [Hobbs Combat Region]
Syrtis Fusiliers (3 regiments) [New Syrtis Combat Region]
Seven Sister's Brigade (3 regiments) [Pleiades Combat Region]
Lothair Legionnaires (3 regiments) [Lothair Combat Region]
Independent Regiments (5 regiments)
Based on the SL formations of the same name these single regiments are the problem solvers of the AFFS.
Federated Irregulars = smaller units deployed as troubleshooters
Nahoni Striker = SLDF Striker regiment
Woodbine Chassuers = SLDF Light Horse regiment
Exeter Cavaliers = SLDF Hussar regiment
Kathil Cuirassiers = SLDF Dragoon regiment
March Militias (22 regiments)
Draconis March (6)
Clovis DMM (1 regiment) [Clovis Combat Region]
Robinson DMM (1 regiment) [Robinson Combat Region]
Franklin DMM (1 regiment) [Franklin Combat Region]
Verde DMM (1 regiment) [Verde Combat Region]
Tancredi DMM (1 regiment) [Tancredi Combat Region]
Kilbourne DMM (1 regiment) [Kilbourne Combat Region]
Crucis March (10)
Marlette CMM (1 regiment) [Marlette Combat Region]
Kestrel CMM (1 regiment) [Kestrel Combat Region]
New Avalon CMM (1 regiment) [New Avalon Combat Region]
Tsamma CMM (1 regiment) [Tsamma Combat Region]
Point Barrow CMM (1 regiment) [Point Barrow Combat Region]
Remagen CMM (1 regiment) [Remagen Combat Region]
Anjin Muerto CMM (1 regiment) [Anjin Muerto Combat Region]
Broken Wheel CMM (1 regiment) [Broken Wheel Combat Region]
Killarney CMM (1 regiment) [Killarney Combat Region]
Islamabad CMM (1 regiment) [Islamabad Combat Region]
Capellan March (6)
Chesterton CMM (1 regiment) [Chesterton Combat Region]
Emerson CMM (1 regiment) [Emerson Combat Region]
Hobbs CMM (1 regiment) [Hobbs Combat Region]
Syrtis CMM (1 regiment) [New Syrtis Combat Region]
Pleiades CMM (1 regiment) [Pleiades Combat Region]
Lothair CMM (1 regiment) [Lothair Combat Region]
Also I'd like to thank Irose whose got some great ideas for the AFFS including Regional Academies. This alternate recruiting strategy (aside from major and planetary academies) predates the 3025 era Training Battalions. Each Combat Region has an academy of some sort that trains troops for the regional forces- the best of those recruits may be selected for service with the line regiments. The quality of each academy would vary greatly and they would be more hands on and practical then say NAMA or Albion which would focus more on theory.
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LordGrayson
I most of missed it but how did Ceti Hussars (3 regiments) get there 2nd and 3rd regiments with they units that formed them still being merc's ? only the 1st hussars where around before the fall of sl
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Rainbow 6
The other 2 Ceti Hussars regiments formed from SLDF units that stayed behind.
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LordGrayson
are they different ones then from cannon? I take it they most be
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rainbow 6
I'm not 100% sure but i think they formed from the same units.
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LordGrayson
only reason I ask is that the Merc book lists the units that formed the 2nd and 3rd hussar's as being merc in SD
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Quote from: LordGrayson on May 11, 2009, 05:42:40 PM
only reason I ask is that the Merc book lists the units that formed the 2nd and 3rd hussar's as being merc in SD
That would be because Takiro and I decided to ignore the FM:FS in this case because the writers were sloppy.
The 8th Striker almost certainly became the 8th Striker Regiment of the Fighting Urukhai
The 1894th Light Horse is part of the Blue Star Irregulars
The 250th Battlemech Division became the Screaming Eagles Mercenary Unit
As for the 199th & 396th Dragoons- we decided that it made more sense for them to be mercenaries and for the Ceti Hussars to be raised from local troops.
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FYI
We have a reference for the 3rd Syrtis Fusiliers- they are mentioned in the Merc Guild book entry for the Lazy Eights.
I'll try to go through the rest of the Merc book and see what other references we may have put in.
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FirstStarLord
The Syrtis Fusiliers should probably have more then 3 regiments. They are the premier combat brigade of the Capellan March, and the three regiments that exist in the regular timeline all seem to date back to the Star League era or earlier.
On the issue of the training cadres, other acadamies may have had their own regiments. The War College of Goshen, while formed much later then the schools of the Star League era, did have a training cadre regiment at some point that was a key part of the Capellan March's defenses (House Davion Source Book). So some of the smaller schools during this era should have a regiment as well.
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Rainbow 6
Maybe a combined arms regiment instead of a mech regiment with supporting forces?
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From Merc Guild
17th and 33rd Avalon Hussars fought in the open stages of the SW p. 61
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Takiro
Just wrapping up the Armed Forces of the Federated Suns and I have divided the Regular Army of the AFFS into five Commands (National, Training, Regional, Independent, and Militia) which I think fits nicely. Also it sounds very Star League which is another theme of the pre-war Davion military.
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: Takiro on May 21, 2009, 01:58:55 AM
Just wrapping up the Armed Forces of the Federated Suns and I have divided the Regular Army of the AFFS into five Commands (National, Training, Regional, Independent, and Militia) which I think fits nicely. Also it sounds very Star League which is another theme of the pre-war Davion military.
Wouldn't you need a Royal part?
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Quote from: Ice Hellion on May 21, 2009, 03:21:16 PM
Wouldn't you need a Royal part?
Yes they are called the Davion Brigade of Guards
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Rainbow 6
Which house is next?
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Takiro
After I finish putting a summary together the FWL!
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Rainbow 6
Cool
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ice Hellion
Quote from: lrose on May 21, 2009, 04:21:29 PM
Yes they are called the Davion Brigade of Guards
And they would be in the National or in the Independent Commands?
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Takiro
National. Basically you can see Commands are termed for their deployment style or range. Personnel except for the March Militias are drawn from the Federation as a whole unlike the FWL say.
Armed Forces of the Federated Suns
140 BattleMech Regiments (as of 2785)
National Commands (40 regiments)
Davion Guards (8 regiments)
Avalon Hussars (26 regiments)
Ceti Hussars (3 regiments)
Crucis Lancers (2 regiments)
Andalusian Cazadores (1 regiment)
Training Commands (6 regiments)
Albion Training Cadre (3 regiments)
NAMA Cadet Cadre (3 regiments)
Regional Commands (66 regiments)
Draconis March
Clovis Guards (4 regiments) [Clovis Combat Region]
Robinson Reivers (3 regiments) [Robinson Combat Region]
Franklin Gorgons (3 regiments) [Franklin Combat Region]
Verde Lancers (3 regiments) [Verde Combat Region]
Tancredi Roughriders (3 regiments) [Tancredi Combat Region]
Kilbourne Defenders (2 regiments) [Kilbourne Combat Region]
Crucis March
Marlette Musketeers (4 regiments) [Marlette Combat Region]
Kestrel Grenadiers (3 regiments) [Kestrel Combat Region]
Avalon Borderers (4 regiments) [New Avalon Combat Region]
Tsamma Kommandos (2 regiments) [Tsamma Combat Region]
Point Barrow Bulldogs (2 regiments) [Point Barrow Combat Region]
Remagen Panzer Brigade (3 regiments) [Remagen Combat Region]
Anjin Muerto Caballeros (2 regiments) [Anjin Muerto Combat Region]
Broken Wheel Charioteers (2 regiments) [Broken Wheel Combat Region]
Killarney Kerns (3 regiments) [Killarney Combat Region]
Messengers of Shiva (3 regiments) [Islamabad Combat Region]
Capellan March
Chesterton Dragoons (3 regiments) [Chesterton Combat Region]
Emerson Pikemen (3 regiments) [Emerson Combat Region]
Hobbs Hospitaliers (3 regiments) [Hobbs Combat Region]
Syrtis Fusiliers (6 regiments) [New Syrtis Combat Region]
Seven Sister's Brigade (3 regiments) [Pleiades Combat Region]
Lothair Legionnaires (3 regiments) [Lothair Combat Region]
Independent Commands (5 regiments)
Federated Irregulars = smaller units deployed as troubleshooters
Nahoni Strikers = SLDF Striker regiment
Woodbine Chassuers = SLDF Light Horse regiment
Exeter Cavaliers = SLDF Hussar regiment
Kathil Cuirassiers = SLDF Dragoon regiment
Militia Commands (22 regiments)
Draconis March Militia (6 regiments)
Crucis March Militia (10 regiments)
Capellan March Militia (6 regiments)
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Ice Hellion
So we have a total of 140 Regiments with only 51 able to be deployed in the whole Federated Suns.
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Rainbow 6
Yes but in theory any of the Regional Commands can be moved around the Suns, its just the AFFS's senior officers don't want them too.
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FirstStarLord
Considering we had so little to work on from the canon sources, I say everyone did a pretty amazing job on this. See you all on the Marik board. Grin
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Takiro
Yeah I'm working on finishing up here and I like the outline we got.
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CJvR
Quote from: Rainbow 6
Yes but in theory any of the Regional Commands can be moved around the Suns, its just the AFFS's senior officers don't want them too.
Well many of the national formations will have been stationed at the same site for so long that they too will be hard to move. IIRC they managed to assemble some 50 regiments to invade the CC and that likely would have included CM district forces.
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Takiro
Good point CJvR and could this be another reason why the Davions chose an assault on Capellan space rather than Draconis space? Available Forces. The Draconis March has a total of 24 Mech Regiments naturally stationed therein while the Capellan March has 27 Mech Regiments. Not much of a difference I know but it is still something. The Syrtis Fusiliers weighing in at 6 Mech Regiments are a potent weapon that the Combine front naturally lacks. So the ease of assembling such an invasion force could be another reason for attacking Liao rather than Kurita.
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Ice Hellion
So offensive actions would end on the shoulders of National, Training, Regional (as needed and depending on the area attacked) and Independent Commands?
Would the Militia Commands undertake offensive actions too?
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Takiro
Quote from: Ice Hellion on May 23, 2009, 05:45:07 PM
Would the Militia Commands undertake offensive actions too?
Likely not, these units are strictly defensive and would never leave their Combat Region.
Just finished looking at elements of SLDF units that joined the AFFS. The results are listed below. Whole regiments that joined the AFFS are listed as mercenary units in Fanbook 3. Mercenaries would also be another source "offensive potential" Ice. Wink
251st Battlemech Division (the Lipton Division)
While elements joined the Federated Suns its ultimate fate was not documented in canon universe. However, with the foul up of the 2nd Ceti Hussars (the 8th Striker and 1894th Light Horse should never have been assigned here) the 251st will be taking their place.
225th Mechanized Infantry Division
Elements joined Federated Suns and Draconis Combine as per canon they compose the 1st and 2nd Crucis Lancers. Note there may have been a mistake on this SL unit number as I have one source with the 255th and another with the 225th.
200th Jump Infantry Division
Elements joined Federated Suns and Draconis Combine as per canon they compose the 1st and 2nd Crucis Lancers.
250th Battlemech Division (The Stalingrad Division)
Elements joined the Federated Suns and went onto form the 3rd Ceti Hussars per canon
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Quote from: Takiro on May 23, 2009, 06:19:52 PM
225th Mechanized Infantry Division
Elements joined Federated Suns and Draconis Combine as per canon they compose the 1st and 2nd Crucis Lancers. Note there may have been a mistake on this SL unit number as I have one source with the 255th and another with the 225th.
It's the 225th - SLSB p. 151
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250th Battlemech Division (The Stalingrad Division)
Elements joined the Federated Suns and went onto form the 3rd Ceti Hussars per canon
This reference is also suspect as 2 Brigades of the 250th formed the Screaming Eagles (FM:Mercs Rev, Merc Sup Update)
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Takiro
Oh yes, I forgot about that one. Any advise on what we should do there? I can't find a 255th Mechanized Infantry Division on the SLSB chart. Is it in FM FS? If so we could possibly use that.
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CJvR
Quote from: Takiro
Good point CJvR and could this be another reason why the Davions chose an assault on Capellan space rather than Draconis space? Available Forces. The Draconis March has a total of 24 Mech Regiments naturally stationed therein while the Capellan March has 27 Mech Regiments. Not much of a difference I know but it is still something. The Syrtis Fusiliers weighing in at 6 Mech Regiments are a potent weapon that the Combine front naturally lacks. So the ease of assembling such an invasion force could be another reason for attacking Liao rather than Kurita.
Well that and also possibly that the potential decisive targets and objectives for an invasion of the CC is closer to the border. The Road to Luthien, Benjamin or Galedon is long while Tikonov sits just on the border and St Ives just a pair of jumps away. Also in OBT beyond Tikonov would be the entire occupied TH ripe for "liberation" once the CC bled out trying to hold Tikonov. In all a very nice operation for someone aspiring to become First Lord, smash the Cappies and gobble up their TH conquests before they have the oppertunity to consolidate their gains.
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Quote from: Takiro on May 23, 2009, 11:25:49 PM
Oh yes, I forgot about that one. Any advise on what we should do there? I can't find a 255th Mechanized Infantry Division on the SLSB chart. Is it in FM FS? If so we could possibly use that.
What's your reference for the 255th? Did someone just make a typo?
I'd drop the 250th from the 3rd ceti- we made the 2 dragoon regiments mercs. I would suggest the 3rd Ceti could be formed from the 200th Jump Inf, 225th mech or a mishmash of random SLDF troops.
I don't think the Crucis Lancers were formed from any units. Rather I think they were formed from individual soldiers or Lances (maybe even the rare company like McKinnon) that stayed behind. The books present things fairly black and white- i.e. the 15th Dracon joined the CC or the 116th Battlemech Division went on the Exodus- the truth is these are large formations and I doubt every soldier in the 116th Battlemech Divison went with Kerensky- surely some member of the unit decided he wanted to stay with his family rather then head off for the unknown. These are personnel who would then go on to form the Crucis Lancers.
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Takiro
Quote from: lrose on May 24, 2009, 12:07:16 AM
What's your reference for the 255th? Did someone just make a typo?
It may indeed be a typo.
Quote from: lrose on May 24, 2009, 12:07:16 AM
I'd drop the 250th from the 3rd ceti- we made the 2 dragoon regiments mercs. I would suggest the 3rd Ceti could be formed from the 200th Jump Inf, 225th mech or a mishmash of random SLDF troops.
I don't think the Crucis Lancers were formed from any units. Rather I think they were formed from individual soldiers or Lances (maybe even the rare company like McKinnon) that stayed behind. The books present things fairly black and white- i.e. the 15th Dracon joined the CC or the 116th Battlemech Division went on the Exodus- the truth is these are large formations and I doubt every soldier in the 116th Battlemech Divison went with Kerensky- surely some member of the unit decided he wanted to stay with his family rather then head off for the unknown. These are personnel who would then go on to form the Crucis Lancers.
Since we know the core of the 7th Crucis Lancers is a company (McKinnon's Raiders) I can agree with this.
Was also gonna point to training by the 8th, the 1894th, and others of the appropriate units to explain the canon confusion. They were trained by these SLDF units not composed of them.
Good stuff CJvR, there are plenty of easy targets close by.
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Quote from: Takiro on May 24, 2009, 12:21:16 AM
Since we know the core of the 7th Crucis Lancers is a company (McKinnon's Raiders) I can agree with this.
FM:FS p.66:
A majority of the SLDF troops that joined the AFFS no longer belonged to a coherent unit, however. While he used some of these hardened veterans to shore up numbers in his understrength units, Prince John Davion formed two complete Regimental Combat Teams around a core group of these former SLDF soldiers.
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Was also gonna point to training by the 8th, the 1894th, and others of the appropriate units to explain the canon confusion. They were trained by these SLDF units not composed of them.
Good solution.
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Takiro
Excellent I will include the notation in the overview.
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LordGrayson
I agree it makes more sense to make the ceti hussar's with davion troops due to the nature of the Hussar's as there isn't anything in the SLDF to compare the hussars to other then calling them a division.
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Takiro
Man this is taking a long time. Here is the completed notes on National Commands.
Armed Forces of the Federated Suns
140 BattleMech Regiments (as of 2785)
Haven't forgotten about LordGrayson's post either which is very good starting point for the current state of the AFFS. How it reformed after the Civil War and Alexander's plans. Then the effect of the Reunification War, the impact of the Star League, the Hidden Wars, and finally the current state after the Amaris Coup. This stuff makes for a good overview.
The AFFS has a real Star League feel to it. Even before the break up of the Star League the Federated Suns was probably the biggest student of the SLDF which may have resulted in some organizational similarities. Arms control restrictions and cost cutting methods of the era likely limited the effectiveness of such a deployment but the reflection might remain the same. Many of the Davion formations are styled after a "standard" Star League division.
The Regular Army of the AFFS has been I have divided into five Commands (National, Training, Regional, Independent, and Militia) which I think fits nicely. Also it sounds very Star League which is another theme of the pre-war Davion military. These names are based on deployment and style rather than localized recruitment.
National Commands (40 regiments)
The National Commands of the AFFS Regular Army constitute the true offensive potential of House Davion. Widely deployed throughout the expansive Federated Suns these troops answer to Davion High Command above all. Their personnel generally the best the Federation can draw upon from around the nation. These commands were the easiest to account for because they many carried over to 3025.
Davion Guards (8 regiments)
Overview: The Royal Brigade of Guards is the crème of the AFFS
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HDSB and FM FS
Child Units: Davion Assault Guards, Davion Heavy Guards, Davion Light Guards, 1st Davion Guards, 2nd Davion Guards, 3rd Davion Guards, 4th Davion Guards, 5th Davion Guards
Avalon Hussars (26 regiments)
Overview: The main body of the AFFS Regular Army they are its single largest contingent
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HDSB and FM FS
Child Units: 1st Avalon Hussars, 2nd Avalon Hussars, 4th Avalon Hussars, 11th Avalon Hussars, 13th Avalon Hussars, 14th Avalon Hussars, 16th Avalon Hussars, 17th Avalon Hussars, 20th Avalon Hussars, 22nd Avalon Hussars, 23rd Avalon Hussars, 33rd Avalon Hussars, 34th Avalon Hussars, 36th Avalon Hussars, 38th Avalon Hussars, 39th Avalon Hussars, 41st Avalon Hussars, 56th Avalon Hussars (18 out of 26 accounted for)
Ceti Hussars (3 regiments)
Overview: Once an experimental combined arms unit of the AFFS based loosely on the Star League RCTs the Ceti Hussars have recently been expanded by Prince John to three full Combat Commands. New units were assembled from a mishmash of personnel drawn from the shattered 251st Battlemech Division (the Lipton Division), the 225th Mechanized Infantry Division, and the 200th Jump Infantry Division that swore fealty to House Davion. The 2nd Ceti Hussars have honed their skills by sparing with the 8th Striker and the 1894th Light Horse while the 3rd Ceti Hussars have done the same with the 199th and 396th Dragoon. Training with their brethren who have become mercenaries has quickly organized these commands into accomplished raiders.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HDSB and FM FS
Child Units: 1st Ceti Hussars, 2nd Ceti Hussars, 3rd Ceti Hussars
Crucis Lancers (2 regiments)
Overview: Prince John has recently assembled the Lancers by combining a small core of returning SLDF veterans with his finest two Regional Commands in the Crucis March. If the New Avalon and Kestrel Lancers prove successful many other commands could be raised in the same fashion fairly quickly. Some more notes here. One, that these are the Prince’s attempt to reform the AFFS prior to the start of the Succession War which may back fire further solidifying Regional Commands to their region. Two, that the Avalon Borderers and the Kestrel Grenadiers may have been a regiment larger very recently.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HDSB and FM FS
Child Units: 1st Crucis Lancers (New Avalon Lancers), 2nd Crucis Lancers (Kestrel Lancers)
Andalusian Cazadores (1 regiment)
Overview: The Federated Suns made a very lucrative offer of mercenary employment to the Deneb Light Cavalry after the breakup of the Star League. While this elite unit eventually chose to remain with its homeworld and stand with the Terran Republic Prince Davion won a valuable concession. Too avoid a potential crisis and appease one of the signatories of the Centuran Accords, Regent Amanda Cameron agreed to allow the Deneb Light Cavalry train a new Davion unit in similar techniques. The Andalusian Cazadores have learned quickly while supervising the transition of formerly shared border worlds to complete Terran authority over the House Liaos official protest.
This flamboyant unit led by General Fonsie Gasol and his younger brother Paco have already made headlines in the Federated Suns. Their daring exploits along the core worlds of humanity have endeared them to many. They maintain very close relations to their integral naval assets led by Admiral Sal Flores aboard the San Sebastian. Close coordination between the ground and naval arm of the Cazadores have allowed them this tremendous early notoriety. It has also started some clashes with traditional Davion officers.
Inspiration: BTSD replacement for the Deneb Light Cavalry
Child Units: 1st Andalusian Cazadores
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: Takiro on May 24, 2009, 02:40:39 PM
The AFFS has a real Star League feel to it. Even before the break up of the Star League the Federated Suns was probably the biggest student of the SLDF which may have resulted in some organizational similarities. Arms control restrictions and cost cutting methods of the era likely limited the effectiveness of such a deployment but the reflection might remain the same. Many of the Davion formations are styled after a "standard" Star League division.
But not as efficient (cf. their performance in the canon 1st Succession War).
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Takiro
Quite right Ice here are the Training Command notes.
Training Commands (6 regiments)
With approximately 5% of your total force reserved for these training formations the AFFS (140 ‘Mech regiments) could have as many as 7 ‘Mech regiments. However there are only two large Cadre units in the AFFS as of 2785. With both organized in standard SL divisional formation that gives you a total of 6 ‘Mech regiments, up one regiment from the traditional 3025 numbers.
List the Academies of the Federated Suns - Albion Military Academy (New Avalon), New Avalon Military Academy (New Avalon), Warrior's Hall (New Syrtis), Robinson Battle Academy (Robinson), Armstrong Flight Academy (Galax), Sakhara Academy (Sakhara), Point Barrow Military Academy (Point Barrow), Kilbourne Academy (Kilbourne), Chesterton Martial Academy (Chesterton), and Federated Naval Institute (Layover)
Albion Military Academy (New Avalon) - The oldest and most prestigious military academy in the Federated Suns was created in the 2400s as an officers school for the New Avalon Militia. The Star League took over Albion in 2604 renovating and expanding its facilities. After serving with the SLDF Davion citizens were welcomed into the AFFS frequently receiving rapid promotions. Many of the school's instructors refused Kerenslky's call for Exodus following the Amaris Coup leaving the Federated Suns in control of this state of the art academy. Albion has a fierce rivalry with NAMA who considers itself "the only true Davion military academy".
New Avalon Military Academy (New Avalon) - The NAMA was constructed about a decade after the SLDF took over Albion so that New Avalon could continue to contribute its fair share of soldiers to the AFFS. Considered the Davion Military Academy by the instructors and students of NAMA they are fanatically loyal to the House unlike others who served "foreign causes". Many Albion grads often complain about the attitude of NAMA grads who never really forgave the Star League for the War of Davion Succession.
Warrior's Hall (New Syrtis) - Began its service life as a military hall for the SLDF and the AFFS who frequently challenged each others skill. A series of Gauntlets was established by the two groups which eventually became a fully operational military academy teaching every discipline save Jumpship operations.
Robinson Battle Academy (Robinson) - As the Star League fell financing of this facility was approved. The Federated Suns newest military academy has just begun teaching its first classes.
Armstrong Flight Academy (Galax) - This facility is currently under construction at Galax to train naval crews for the coming war. Location was chosen for the nearby Federated Boeing Megaplex.
Sakhara Academy (Sakhara) - This private military academy was established by a retired group of Star League officers in 2613. While any who can pay their way is accepted the Academy turns out superb warriors. While graduating classes are few in number they have proven themselves in Davion service despite constant scorn for Davion grads at NAMA.
Point Barrow Military Academy (Point Barrow) - Known for its technical training
Kilbourne Academy (Kilbourne) - Backwater military school in the Draconis March
As for academies we have the Chesterton Martial Academy which was probably established after the Davion Civil War. I see many academies like those most likely to have been on March Capitals (Robinson for the Terran March, Filtvet for the Outworlds March, Tancredi for the Draconis March, and New Syrits for the Capellan March) before the Civil War disbanded after wards. Chesterton I was thinking could have been one of the new academies established by Alexander to poke the Liaos in the eye so to speak.
The Federated Naval Institute (FNI) on Layover would, along with Albion, be the only holdovers from the Federated Suns old military academy system. This oft overlooked facility could have been founded around 2330 as the premier naval academy for the Federated Peacekeeping Forces (FPF). There isn't much information on Layover except that it has vast deserts but the name of the planet/system could be a very interesting clue. Could this have been a place for "a short stop or break in a journey, usually imposed by scheduling requirements"? If so this could have been an early interstellar hub and reason to begin the growth of space industries. Layover is on the FS 2317 map near Robinson meaning it is an old world although it is outside of the Crucis Pact. Maybe we could set the founding date back some as a result but the reasoning is there. Anyway I figure the Institute always remained true to the Davions in spite of the treatment of the Navy which gradually was pushed to the back burner by the Army. This facility possibly was damaged in the War of Davion Succession starting some thinking of relocating the Naval Academy deeper in Davion space. Neglect and the new Galax facility are slowly spelling the end for FNI.
Regional Academies. This alternate recruiting strategy (aside from major and planetary academies) predates the 3025 era Training Battalions. Each Combat Region has an academy of some sort that trains troops for the regional forces- the best of those recruits may be selected for service with the line regiments. The quality of each academy would vary greatly and they would be more hands on and practical then say NAMA or Albion which would focus more on theory.
Albion Training Cadre (3 regiments)
Overview: The Albion Military Academy’s military contingent styled like a standard SL Division
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HDSB and FM FS
Child Units: 1st Albion Training Cadre, 2nd Albion Training Cadre, 3rd Albion Training Cadre
NAMA Cadet Cadre (3 regiments)
Overview: The New Avalon Military Academy’s military contingent styled like a standard SL Division
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HDSB and FM FS
Child Units: 1st NAMA Cadet Cadre, 2nd NAMA Cadet Cadre, 3rd NAMA Cadet Cadre
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takiro
Forgot this bit for academies, now included.
The old academy system. The Davion Civil War redrew many things throughout the Federated Suns including the old system of military education which was based on the Five Principalities. Each Principality maintain its own premier military institution which was torn down as a result of the Civil War. That is why many academies were founded during the Star League era as the modern AFFS came into being.
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Rainbow 6
Makes sense to me.
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takiro
Ran into an issue with the Seven Sister's Brigade. I couldn't come up with a successful regimental translation of the parent name so I changed it. Let me know what you think?
Pleiadian Phalanx (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Pleiades Combat Region, Capellan March. Nicknamed the Seven Sister's Brigade by the AFFS which has tried to build a Greek heritage rather than look back at the region’s Taurian past.
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Pleiadian Phalanx, 2nd Pleiadian Phalanx, 3rd Pleiadian Phalanx
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Quote from: Takiro on May 25, 2009, 01:53:22 AM
Ran into an issue with the Seven Sister's Brigade. I couldn't come up with a successful regimental translation of the parent name so I changed it. Let me know what you think?
Pleiadian Phalanx (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Pleiades Combat Region, Capellan March. Nicknamed the Seven Sister's Brigade by the AFFS which has tried to build a Greek heritage rather than look back at the region’s Taurian past.
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Pleiadian Phalanx, 2nd Pleiadian Phalanx, 3rd Pleiadian Phalanx
I had figures the Seven Sister's Brigade would use the names of the sister's as the regiments names i.e.:
The Electra Regiment, The Maia Regiment and The Merope Regiment (or pick any 3 sisters that you like.)
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takiro
I'll change it back then! Wink
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takiro
Phew, finished Regional Forces. Enjoy the overview!
Regional Commands (67 regiments)
You can see the current arrangement (as of 2785) of Davion Marches and their twenty two separate Combat Regions on Fanmap 01. These forces, Regional Combatants, compose the bulk of the AFFS at this time. Such forces like the like the Clovis Guards, the Syrtis Fusiliers, the Messengers of Shiva, the Kestrel Grenadiers, and the Franklin Gorgons were alluded to in canon.
Apply standard Star League divisional organization (3 BattleMech Regiments) to these Regional Combatants and you emerge with more than sixty BattleMech units. By applying some variation based on regional wealth, location, and importance we came up with a total of 67 BattleMech Regiments spread over 22 Combat Regions of the Federated Suns.
Divisional strength also allows for historic growth of these units during the Star League era. Commands which may have been 1 or 2 regiments in size can then double thanks to the Arms Amendment of 2752 which legally allowed the Houses to double their armed forces.
Keeping in mind the arms control measures of the Star League and the Davion Landwehr Program these Regional Combatants rotate active elements. For example a third of these troops would be considered active at one time while another third was maintained on ready alert while the final third would be off duty their equipment mothballed. This would allow the legal buildup of the AFFS.
These Regional forces are locally funded and equipped by each Administration Area/Combat Region of the Federated Suns and so their size and equipment varies greatly depending on the support they get from their locality. However it is important to note that personnel are drawn from all over the realm. This check installed by Alexander to insure national loyalty. These forces are not exclusively meant for defensive operations but they rarely are deployed away from their Region and never outside their March.
Clovis Guards (4 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Clovis Combat Region, Draconis March
Inspiration: Mentioned in canon (HDSB and FM FS) part of the basis for Regional Combatants presented here
Child Units: Likely the 1st though 4th but combat losses from the War of Davion Succession could cause some variation
Robinson Reivers (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Robinson Combat Region, Draconis March
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: Likely the 1st though 3rd but combat losses from the War of Davion Succession could cause some variation
Franklin Gorgons (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Franklin Combat Region, Draconis March
Inspiration: Mentioned in canon (HDSB and FM FS) part of the basis for Regional Combatants presented here
Child Units: Likely the 1st though 3rd but combat losses from the War of Davion Succession could cause some variation
Verde Lancers (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Verde Combat Region, Draconis March. There could be a future tie in with the 12th Vegan Rangers who were assembled by the Duke of Verde.
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: Likely the 1st though 3rd but combat losses from the War of Davion Succession could cause some variation
Tancredi Roughriders (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Tancredi Combat Region, Draconis March. This tackles the Roughriders issue which appears on page 59 of the original FM Mercenaries. This text points to the existence of a Roughrider unit in the Draconis March. Trying to incorporate information from every BattleTech product the Roughriders have been placed here.
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants while addressing Hansen’s Roughriders origins
Child Units: Likely the 1st though 3rd but combat losses from the War of Davion Succession could cause some variation
Kilbourne Defenders (2 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Kilbourne Combat Region, Draconis March
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Kilbourne Defenders, 2nd Kilbourne Defenders
Marlette Musketeers (4 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Marlette Combat Region, Crucis March. One for all and all for one, no doubt this unit would claim some historic inspiration from the Musketeer legend of old Earth.
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Marlette Musketeers, 2nd Marlette Musketeers, 3rd Marlette Musketeers, 4th Marlette Musketeers
Kestrel Grenadiers (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Kestrel Combat Region, Crucis March
Inspiration: Canon unit placed here to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Kestrel Grenadiers, 2nd Kestrel Grenadiers, 3rd Kestrel Grenadiers
Avalon Borderers (4 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the New Avalon Combat Region, Crucis March
Inspiration: Unit mentioned in canon text placed here to fill AFFS Regional Combatant
Child Units: 1st Avalon Borderers, 2nd Avalon Borderers, 3rd Avalon Borderers, 4th Avalon Borderers
Tsamma Kommandos (2 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Tsamma Combat Region, Crucis March. The word Tsamma is South African in origin and the use of Kommandos is a nod to their Boer culture. There is a mention in TRO 3025 about a Captain of pure Zulu descent serving in the Crucis Lancers under the Crusader. Yellow daisies on the forehead of their Crucis Lancer regiment.
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Tsamma Kommandos, 2nd Tsamma Kommandos
Point Barrow Bulldogs (2 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Point Barrow Combat Region, Crucis March
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Point Barrow Bulldogs, 2nd Point Barrow Bulldogs
Remagen Panzer Brigade (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Remagen Combat Region, Crucis March. Forerunners of Little Richard’s Panzer Brigade detailed in FM: Mercenary page 73 which indicates the unit was formed from a Federated Suns unit known as the Panzer Brigade. The Remagen Panzer Brigade is close enough to incorporate this connection.
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Remagen Panzers, 2nd Remagen Panzers, 3rd Remagen Panzers
Anjin Muerto Caballeros (2 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Anjin Muerto Combat Region, Crucis March. This unit has a certain Spanish flair and gives us a possible cultural link to the Cazadores in the AFFS even though Andalusia lies within the Point Barrow Combat Region. The European make up of the Federation could likely include this national heritage relatively easily. If the name of the planet really meant “Peaceful Death†could it have been a retirement colony originally?
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Anjin Muerto Caballeros, 2nd Anjin Muerto Caballeros
Broken Wheel Charioteers (2 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Broken Wheel Combat Region, Crucis March
Inspiration: Canon inspired nickname of a certain Crucis Lancer unit which will retain this nickname in the future
Child Units: 1st Broken Wheel Charioteers, 2nd Broken Wheel Charioteers
Killarney Kerns (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Killarney Combat Region, Crucis March. The Irish Brigade of the Federated Suns with several historical forerunners that they no doubt draw on.
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Killarney Kerns, 2nd Killarney Kerns, 3rd Killarney Kerns
Messengers of Shiva (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Islamabad Combat Region, Crucis March
Inspiration: Canon unit placed here to fill this Combat Region’s forces
Child Units: 1st Messengers of Shiva, 2nd Messengers of Shiva, 3rd Messengers of Shiva
Chesterton Dragoons (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Chesterton Combat Region, Capellan March. Possibly the closest AFFS unit to SL standards thanks to its proximity.
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Chesterton Dragoons, 2nd Chesterton Dragoons, 3rd Chesterton Dragoons
Emerson Pikemen (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Emerson Combat Region, Capellan March
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Emerson Pikemen, 2nd Emerson Pikemen, 3rd Emerson Pikemen
Hobbs Hospitaliers (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Hobbs Combat Region, Capellan March
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Hobbs Hospitaliers, 2nd Hobbs Hospitaliers, 3rd Hobbs Hospitaliers
Syrtis Fusiliers (6 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the New Syrtis Combat Region, Capellan March. The Fusiliers give the First Prince an extra reserve to reinforce the other fronts with, allow the Golden Worlds to be strongly garrisoned without drawing to many regiments away from the Regular Army and keep the Capellan March Lord loyal with the knowledge that the Crucis March has the muscle to keep the Davions in charge.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HDSB and FM FS
Child Units: 3rd Syrtis Fusiliers, 5th Syrtis Fusiliers, 6th Syrtis Fusiliers, 8th Syrtis Fusiliers (4 out of 6 accounted for)
Seven Sister's Brigade (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Pleiades Combat Region, Capellan March. Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: The Electra Regiment, The Maia Regiment, and The Merope Regiment
Lothair Legionnaires (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Lothair Combat Region, Capellan March
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Lothair Legionnaires, 2nd Lothair Legionnaires, 3rd Lothair Legionnaires
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Rainbow 6
All looks really good to me, the only thing i think there may be a problem with is the Kestrel Grenadiers, did they ever have more than 1 regiment.
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FirstStarLord
Quote from: Rainbow 6 on May 25, 2009, 03:47:20 AM
All looks really good to me, the only thing i think there may be a problem with is the Kestrel Grenadiers, did they ever have more than 1 regiment.
Well nothing in the canon sources outright states that there was ever more then one regiment, but it does not state that it was only one regiment either. In fact the canon really says very little about the subject at all. That ambiguity gives us a lot of wiggle room to work with in terms of force size.
Or in other words, is there any good reason why the Grenadiers would not have been larger before the start of the Succession Wars?
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Syrtis Fusiliers-
We have a reference to the 4th having fought on Demeter in 2828 HBHD p. 57
There is also a reference to the 1st in HLSB p. 32 - but that is a very strange reference that seems to have nothing to do with the HLSB so we can use it or ignore it if you want.
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Rainbow 6
Quote from: FirstStarLord on May 25, 2009, 05:26:38 AM
Well nothing in the canon sources outright states that there was ever more then one regiment, but it does not state that it was only one regiment either. In fact the canon really says very little about the subject at all. That ambiguity gives us a lot of wiggle room to work with in terms of force size.
Or in other words, is there any good reason why the Grenadiers would not have been larger before the start of the Succession Wars?
Fair enough, i'm quite happy with the Grenadiers being bigger than 1 regiment.
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Takiro
Quote from: lrose on May 25, 2009, 09:27:22 AM
Syrtis Fusiliers-
We have a reference to the 4th having fought on Demeter in 2828 HBHD p. 57
There is also a reference to the 1st in HLSB p. 32 - but that is a very strange reference that seems to have nothing to do with the HLSB so we can use it or ignore it if you want.
Actually that works out great as our final two units for the Fusiliers.
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: Takiro on May 25, 2009, 03:19:02 AM
Clovis Guards (4 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Clovis Combat Region, Draconis March
Inspiration: Mentioned in canon (HDSB and FM FS) part of the basis for Regional Combatants presented here
Child Units: Likely the 1st though 4th but combat losses from the War of Davion Succession could cause some variation
What about naming or nicknaming them after some Franks tribes?
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Takiro
Not a bad idea Ice. You could insert Frankish heroes, Charlemagne, Roland, etc..
Considering one final addition to the AFFS. Should we include the New Avalon Dragoon Guards as the elite of the AFFS Independent Regiments? Or how do we explain what happened to this unit after the civil war. Are they entirely conventional or did they include Mechs?
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Rainbow 6
I'd like to see them included, maybe they could be fluffed in the same way as Team Banzai/New Avalon Cavaliers?
The regiment is now listed as mercenary but all its members are either test pilots for the Federated Suns military equipment producers on New Avalon or instructors at Albion & NAMA.
They are now all Mechwarriors or AeroSpace pilots there forbearers having been rewarded with advanced training as a reward for standing by Alexander in the civil war.
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FirstStarLord
I don't know, on one hand it would be nice to see the Dragoon Guards as a line unit, beefing up the number of independant units to more appropriate levels. On the other side of things, it might be more realistic to have them as the premier armored regiment of the Davion Guards. Maybe attached to the 1st regiment, they are "Alexander's Leagacy" after all.
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Takiro
Okay we've decided to keep the New Avalon Dragoon Guards as an elite armor unit attached to the Davion Guards. Hopefully I'll get the rest of the AFFS done tonight, don't think there is much more.
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Ice Hellion
For tribes; we have Sicambri, Salians, Bructeri, Ampsivarii, Chamavi and Chattuarii.
For heroes; Roland, Oliver, Gérin, Gérier, Bérengier, Otton, Samson, Engelier, Ivon, Ivoire, Anséis and Girard.
If you find anything worth it, use it.
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BlackTigerActual
I've been thinking with no Enforcer the Davy's need a signature 'mech how about one called the Francia (Think I got that one right, Its the Frankish throwing axe correct me pls if I'm wrong.)
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Takiro
Actually Irose has got one for the Davies that he can share with the rest of the class. Wink
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Quote from: Takiro on May 27, 2009, 01:27:37 AM
Actually Irose has got one for the Davies that he can share with the rest of the class. Wink
Guess that means I need to finish the fluff- I'll get it posted on the design board later tonight.
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Takiro
Looking forward to seeing it again Irose. Got called into work tonight so I will have to finish up the AFFS tomorrow.
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Takiro
Think we are all set. After I judge the Liberator contest we will go onto the FWLM!
Armed Forces of the Federated Suns
140 BattleMech Regiments (as of 2785)
Haven't forgotten about LordGrayson's post either which is very good starting point for the current state of the AFFS. How it reformed after the Civil War and Alexander's plans. Then the effect of the Reunification War, the impact of the Star League, the Hidden Wars, and finally the current state after the Amaris Coup. This stuff makes for a good overview.
The AFFS has a real Star League feel to it. Even before the break up of the Star League the Federated Suns was probably the biggest student of the SLDF which may have resulted in some organizational similarities. Arms control restrictions and cost cutting methods of the era likely limited the effectiveness of such a deployment but the reflection might remain the same. Many of the Davion formations are styled after a "standard" Star League division.
The Regular Army of the AFFS has been I have divided into five Commands (National, Training, Regional, Independent, and Militia) which I think fits nicely. Also it sounds very Star League which is another theme of the pre-war Davion military. These names are based on deployment and style rather than localized recruitment.
National Commands (40 regiments)
The National Commands of the AFFS Regular Army constitute the true offensive potential of House Davion. Widely deployed throughout the expansive Federated Suns these troops answer to Davion High Command above all. Their personnel generally the best the Federation can draw upon from around the nation. These commands were the easiest to account for because they many carried over to 3025.
Davion Guards (8 regiments)
Overview: The Royal Brigade of Guards is the crème of the AFFS. The New Avalon Dragoon Guards is an elite armor regiment attached to the Davion Guard.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HDSB and FM FS
Child Units: Davion Assault Guards, Davion Heavy Guards, Davion Light Guards, 1st Davion Guards, 2nd Davion Guards, 3rd Davion Guards, 4th Davion Guards, 5th Davion Guards
Avalon Hussars (26 regiments)
Overview: The main body of the AFFS Regular Army they are its single largest contingent
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HDSB and FM FS
Child Units: 1st Avalon Hussars, 2nd Avalon Hussars, 4th Avalon Hussars, 11th Avalon Hussars, 13th Avalon Hussars, 14th Avalon Hussars, 16th Avalon Hussars, 17th Avalon Hussars, 20th Avalon Hussars, 22nd Avalon Hussars, 23rd Avalon Hussars, 33rd Avalon Hussars, 34th Avalon Hussars, 36th Avalon Hussars, 38th Avalon Hussars, 39th Avalon Hussars, 41st Avalon Hussars, 56th Avalon Hussars (18 out of 26 accounted for)
Ceti Hussars (3 regiments)
Overview: Once an experimental combined arms unit of the AFFS based loosely on the Star League RCTs the Ceti Hussars have recently been expanded by Prince John to three full Combat Commands. New units were assembled from a mishmash of personnel drawn from the shattered 251st Battlemech Division (the Lipton Division), the 225th Mechanized Infantry Division, and the 200th Jump Infantry Division that swore fealty to House Davion. The 2nd Ceti Hussars have honed their skills by sparing with the 8th Striker and the 1894th Light Horse while the 3rd Ceti Hussars have done the same with the 199th and 396th Dragoon. Training with their brethren who have become mercenaries has quickly organized these commands into accomplished raiders.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HDSB and FM FS
Child Units: 1st Ceti Hussars, 2nd Ceti Hussars, 3rd Ceti Hussars
Crucis Lancers (2 regiments)
Overview: Prince John has recently assembled the Lancers by combining a small core of returning SLDF veterans with his finest two Regional Commands in the Crucis March. If the New Avalon and Kestrel Lancers prove successful many other commands could be raised in the same fashion fairly quickly. Some more notes here. One, that these are the Prince’s attempt to reform the AFFS prior to the start of the Succession War which may back fire further solidifying Regional Commands to their region. Two, that the Avalon Borderers and the Kestrel Grenadiers may have been a regiment larger very recently.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HDSB and FM FS
Child Units: 1st Crucis Lancers (New Avalon Lancers), 2nd Crucis Lancers (Kestrel Lancers)
Andalusian Cazadores (1 regiment)
Overview: The Federated Suns made a very lucrative offer of mercenary employment to the Deneb Light Cavalry after the breakup of the Star League. While this elite unit eventually chose to remain with its homeworld and stand with the Terran Republic Prince Davion won a valuable concession. Too avoid a potential crisis and appease one of the signatories of the Centuran Accords, Regent Amanda Cameron agreed to allow the Deneb Light Cavalry train a new Davion unit in similar techniques. The Andalusian Cazadores have learned quickly while supervising the transition of formerly shared border worlds to complete Terran authority over the House Liaos official protest.
This flamboyant unit led by General Fonsie Gasol and his younger brother Paco have already made headlines in the Federated Suns. Their daring exploits along the core worlds of humanity have endeared them to many. They maintain very close relations to their integral naval assets led by Admiral Sal Flores aboard the San Sebastian. Close coordination between the ground and naval arm of the Cazadores have allowed them this tremendous early notoriety. It has also started some clashes with traditional Davion officers.
Inspiration: BTSD replacement for the Deneb Light Cavalry
Child Units: 1st Andalusian Cazadores
Training Commands (6 regiments)
With approximately 5% of your total force reserved for these training formations the AFFS (140 ‘Mech regiments) could have as many as 7 ‘Mech regiments. However there are only two large Cadre units in the AFFS as of 2785. With both organized in standard SL divisional formation that gives you a total of 6 ‘Mech regiments, up one regiment from the traditional 3025 numbers.
List the Academies of the Federated Suns - Albion Military Academy (New Avalon), New Avalon Military Academy (New Avalon), Warrior's Hall (New Syrtis), Robinson Battle Academy (Robinson), Armstrong Flight Academy (Galax), Sakhara Academy (Sakhara), Point Barrow Military Academy (Point Barrow), Kilbourne Academy (Kilbourne), Chesterton Martial Academy (Chesterton), and Federated Naval Institute (Layover)
Albion Military Academy (New Avalon) - The oldest and most prestigious military academy in the Federated Suns was created in the 2400s as an officers school for the New Avalon Militia. The Star League took over Albion in 2604 renovating and expanding its facilities. After serving with the SLDF Davion citizens were welcomed into the AFFS frequently receiving rapid promotions. Many of the school's instructors refused Kerenslky's call for Exodus following the Amaris Coup leaving the Federated Suns in control of this state of the art academy. Albion has a fierce rivalry with NAMA who considers itself "the only true Davion military academy".
New Avalon Military Academy (New Avalon) - The NAMA was constructed about a decade after the SLDF took over Albion so that New Avalon could continue to contribute its fair share of soldiers to the AFFS. Considered the Davion Military Academy by the instructors and students of NAMA they are fanatically loyal to the House unlike others who served "foreign causes". Many Albion grads often complain about the attitude of NAMA grads who never really forgave the Star League for the War of Davion Succession.
Warrior's Hall (New Syrtis) - Began its service life as a military hall for the SLDF and the AFFS who frequently challenged each others skill. A series of Gauntlets was established by the two groups which eventually became a fully operational military academy teaching every discipline save Jumpship operations.
Robinson Battle Academy (Robinson) - As the Star League fell financing of this facility was approved. The Federated Suns newest military academy has just begun teaching its first classes.
Armstrong Flight Academy (Galax) - This facility is currently under construction at Galax to train naval crews for the coming war. Location was chosen for the nearby Federated Boeing Megaplex.
Sakhara Academy (Sakhara) - This private military academy was established by a retired group of Star League officers in 2613. While any who can pay their way is accepted the Academy turns out superb warriors. While graduating classes are few in number they have proven themselves in Davion service despite constant scorn for Davion grads at NAMA.
Point Barrow Military Academy (Point Barrow) - Known for its technical training
Kilbourne Academy (Kilbourne) - Backwater military school in the Draconis March
As for academies we have the Chesterton Martial Academy which was probably established after the Davion Civil War. I see many academies like those most likely to have been on March Capitals (Robinson for the Terran March, Filtvet for the Outworlds March, Tancredi for the Draconis March, and New Syrits for the Capellan March) before the Civil War disbanded after wards. Chesterton I was thinking could have been one of the new academies established by Alexander to poke the Liaos in the eye so to speak.
The Federated Naval Institute (FNI) on Layover would, along with Albion, be the only holdovers from the Federated Suns old military academy system. This oft overlooked facility could have been founded around 2330 as the premier naval academy for the Federated Peacekeeping Forces (FPF). There isn't much information on Layover except that it has vast deserts but the name of the planet/system could be a very interesting clue. Could this have been a place for "a short stop or break in a journey, usually imposed by scheduling requirements"? If so this could have been an early interstellar hub and reason to begin the growth of space industries. Layover is on the FS 2317 map near Robinson meaning it is an old world although it is outside of the Crucis Pact. Maybe we could set the founding date back some as a result but the reasoning is there. Anyway I figure the Institute always remained true to the Davions in spite of the treatment of the Navy which gradually was pushed to the back burner by the Army. This facility possibly was damaged in the War of Davion Succession starting some thinking of relocating the Naval Academy deeper in Davion space. Neglect and the new Galax facility are slowly spelling the end for FNI.
Regional Academies. This alternate recruiting strategy (aside from major and planetary academies) predates the 3025 era Training Battalions. Each Combat Region has an academy of some sort that trains troops for the regional forces- the best of those recruits may be selected for service with the line regiments. The quality of each academy would vary greatly and they would be more hands on and practical then say NAMA or Albion which would focus more on theory.
The old academy system. The Davion Civil War redrew many things throughout the Federated Suns including the old system of military education which was based on the Five Principalities. Each Principality maintain its own premier military institution which was torn down as a result of the Civil War. That is why many academies were founded during the Star League era as the modern AFFS came into being.
Albion Training Cadre (3 regiments)
Overview: The Albion Military Academy’s military contingent styled like a standard SL Division
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HDSB and FM FS
Child Units: 1st Albion Training Cadre, 2nd Albion Training Cadre, 3rd Albion Training Cadre
NAMA Cadet Cadre (3 regiments)
Overview: The New Avalon Military Academy’s military contingent styled like a standard SL Division
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HDSB and FM FS
Child Units: 1st NAMA Cadet Cadre, 2nd NAMA Cadet Cadre, 3rd NAMA Cadet Cadre
Regional Commands (67 regiments)
You can see the current arrangement (as of 2785) of Davion Marches and their twenty two separate Combat Regions on Fanmap 01. These forces, Regional Combatants, compose the bulk of the AFFS at this time. Such forces like the like the Clovis Guards, the Syrtis Fusiliers, the Messengers of Shiva, the Kestrel Grenadiers, and the Franklin Gorgons were alluded to in canon.
Apply standard Star League divisional organization (3 BattleMech Regiments) to these Regional Combatants and you emerge with more than sixty BattleMech units. By applying some variation based on regional wealth, location, and importance we came up with a total of 67 BattleMech Regiments spread over 22 Combat Regions of the Federated Suns.
Divisional strength also allows for historic growth of these units during the Star League era. Commands which may have been 1 or 2 regiments in size can then double thanks to the Arms Amendment of 2752 which legally allowed the Houses to double their armed forces.
Keeping in mind the arms control measures of the Star League and the Davion Landwehr Program these Regional Combatants rotate active elements. For example a third of these troops would be considered active at one time while another third was maintained on ready alert while the final third would be off duty their equipment mothballed. This would allow the legal buildup of the AFFS.
These Regional forces are locally funded and equipped by each Administration Area/Combat Region of the Federated Suns and so their size and equipment varies greatly depending on the support they get from their locality. However it is important to note that personnel are drawn from all over the realm. This check installed by Alexander to insure national loyalty. These forces are not exclusively meant for defensive operations but they rarely are deployed away from their Region and never outside their March.
Clovis Guards (4 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Clovis Combat Region, Draconis March
Inspiration: Mentioned in canon (HDSB and FM FS) part of the basis for Regional Combatants presented here
Child Units: Likely the 1st though 4th but combat losses from the War of Davion Succession could cause some variation
Robinson Reivers (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Robinson Combat Region, Draconis March
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: Likely the 1st though 3rd but combat losses from the War of Davion Succession could cause some variation
Franklin Gorgons (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Franklin Combat Region, Draconis March
Inspiration: Mentioned in canon (HDSB and FM FS) part of the basis for Regional Combatants presented here
Child Units: Likely the 1st though 3rd but combat losses from the War of Davion Succession could cause some variation
Verde Lancers (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Verde Combat Region, Draconis March. There could be a future tie in with the 12th Vegan Rangers who were assembled by the Duke of Verde.
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: Likely the 1st though 3rd but combat losses from the War of Davion Succession could cause some variation
Tancredi Roughriders (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Tancredi Combat Region, Draconis March. This tackles the Roughriders issue which appears on page 59 of the original FM Mercenaries. This text points to the existence of a Roughrider unit in the Draconis March. Trying to incorporate information from every BattleTech product the Roughriders have been placed here.
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants while addressing Hansen’s Roughriders origins
Child Units: Likely the 1st though 3rd but combat losses from the War of Davion Succession could cause some variation
Kilbourne Defenders (2 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Kilbourne Combat Region, Draconis March
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Kilbourne Defenders, 2nd Kilbourne Defenders
Marlette Musketeers (4 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Marlette Combat Region, Crucis March. One for all and all for one, no doubt this unit would claim some historic inspiration from the Musketeer legend of old Earth.
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Marlette Musketeers, 2nd Marlette Musketeers, 3rd Marlette Musketeers, 4th Marlette Musketeers
Kestrel Grenadiers (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Kestrel Combat Region, Crucis March
Inspiration: Canon unit placed here to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Kestrel Grenadiers, 2nd Kestrel Grenadiers, 3rd Kestrel Grenadiers
Avalon Borderers (4 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the New Avalon Combat Region, Crucis March
Inspiration: Unit mentioned in canon text placed here to fill AFFS Regional Combatant
Child Units: 1st Avalon Borderers, 2nd Avalon Borderers, 3rd Avalon Borderers, 4th Avalon Borderers
Tsamma Kommandos (2 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Tsamma Combat Region, Crucis March. The word Tsamma is South African in origin and the use of Kommandos is a nod to their Boer culture. There is a mention in TRO 3025 about a Captain of pure Zulu descent serving in the Crucis Lancers under the Crusader. Yellow daisies on the forehead of their Crucis Lancer regiment.
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Tsamma Kommandos, 2nd Tsamma Kommandos
Point Barrow Bulldogs (2 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Point Barrow Combat Region, Crucis March
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Point Barrow Bulldogs, 2nd Point Barrow Bulldogs
Remagen Panzer Brigade (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Remagen Combat Region, Crucis March. Forerunners of Little Richard’s Panzer Brigade detailed in FM: Mercenary page 73 which indicates the unit was formed from a Federated Suns unit known as the Panzer Brigade. The Remagen Panzer Brigade is close enough to incorporate this connection.
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Remagen Panzers, 2nd Remagen Panzers, 3rd Remagen Panzers
Anjin Muerto Caballeros (2 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Anjin Muerto Combat Region, Crucis March. This unit has a certain Spanish flair and gives us a possible cultural link to the Cazadores in the AFFS even though Andalusia lies within the Point Barrow Combat Region. The European make up of the Federation could likely include this national heritage relatively easily. If the name of the planet really meant “Peaceful Death†could it have been a retirement colony originally?
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Anjin Muerto Caballeros, 2nd Anjin Muerto Caballeros
Broken Wheel Charioteers (2 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Broken Wheel Combat Region, Crucis March
Inspiration: Canon inspired nickname of a certain Crucis Lancer unit which will retain this nickname in the future
Child Units: 1st Broken Wheel Charioteers, 2nd Broken Wheel Charioteers
Killarney Kerns (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Killarney Combat Region, Crucis March. The Irish Brigade of the Federated Suns with several historical forerunners that they no doubt draw on.
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Killarney Kerns, 2nd Killarney Kerns, 3rd Killarney Kerns
Messengers of Shiva (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Islamabad Combat Region, Crucis March
Inspiration: Canon unit placed here to fill this Combat Region’s forces
Child Units: 1st Messengers of Shiva, 2nd Messengers of Shiva, 3rd Messengers of Shiva
Chesterton Dragoons (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Chesterton Combat Region, Capellan March. Possibly the closest AFFS unit to SL standards thanks to its proximity.
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Chesterton Dragoons, 2nd Chesterton Dragoons, 3rd Chesterton Dragoons
Emerson Pikemen (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Emerson Combat Region, Capellan March
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Emerson Pikemen, 2nd Emerson Pikemen, 3rd Emerson Pikemen
Hobbs Hospitaliers (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Hobbs Combat Region, Capellan March
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Hobbs Hospitaliers, 2nd Hobbs Hospitaliers, 3rd Hobbs Hospitaliers
Syrtis Fusiliers (6 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the New Syrtis Combat Region, Capellan March. The Fusiliers give the First Prince an extra reserve to reinforce the other fronts with, allow the Golden Worlds to be strongly garrisoned without drawing to many regiments away from the Regular Army and keep the Capellan March Lord loyal with the knowledge that the Crucis March has the muscle to keep the Davions in charge.
The Haseks aren’t ambitious in a selfish way at this point in history but "commissars" of House Davion. As the enforcers of New Avalon they are constantly be on the look out for the next Varnay and Liao treachery. The Haseks and their rebuilt Fusiliers take pride in their patriotic duty to First Prince and nation. Their size could also be a sign of favor from the Davions and seen as necessary to carry out their mission.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HDSB and FM FS
Child Units: 1st Syrtis Fusiliers, 3rd Syrtis Fusiliers, 4th Syrtis Fusiliers, 5th Syrtis Fusiliers, 6th Syrtis Fusiliers, 8th Syrtis Fusiliers
Seven Sister's Brigade (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Pleiades Combat Region, Capellan March. Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: The Electra Regiment, The Maia Regiment, and The Merope Regiment
Lothair Legionnaires (3 regiments)
Overview: The Regional Combatants of the Lothair Combat Region, Capellan March
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Regional Combatants
Child Units: 1st Lothair Legionnaires, 2nd Lothair Legionnaires, 3rd Lothair Legionnaires
Independent Commands (5 regiments)
Incorporating Independent Commands into the AFFS was a difficult challenge as we began with only two tiny units. The Argyle Lancers and McKinnon's Raiders were only a company in strength. However two future units of the AFFS, the 1st Aragon Borderers and the 1st Kittery Borderers, provided a clue into the purpose of these Independents. Both units were formed as the result of a decision to reinforce a planet's militia rather than send more Regular Army units to the world in question. To accomplish this goal the High Command sends in a lesser unit often battalion size to stiffen defenses. Since the two companies, the Argyle Lancers and McKinnon's Company, full of experienced SL personnel who strengthen AFFS garrisons at this time we had a mission statement. These commands are trouble shooters assigned tasks by the AFFS High Command as needed.
To go along with these small units we needed some bulk and luckily there was another military who utilized Independent Regiments that the AFFS could emulate at this time, the SLDF. Since the AFFS is mirroring the SLDF in many ways it stands to reason they would do so with their Independent Regiments. As such we can use the Star League Independent Regiments as inspiration for Davion Independent Regiments. With the Irregulars (see below) and a Striker Regiment we established a "C" theme (the Cuirassiers = Dragoons, the Cavaliers = Hussars, and the Chasseurs = Light Horse) to compose the Independent Commands of the AFFS in 2785.
Federated Irregulars (1 regiment)
Overview: Smaller units deployed as troubleshooters which might be a Terran intelligence amalgamation rather than a single official Davion unit. Never intended as a unified unit this command is composed of a bunch of experienced detachments sent to reinforce key areas throughout the realm.
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Independent Commands
Child Units: Argyle Lancers (company), McKinnon's Raiders (company), plus several others to be named
Nahoni Strikers (1 regiment)
Overview: Styled after an SLDF Striker regiment
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Independent Commands
Child Units: 1st Nahoni Strikers
Woodbine Chassuers (1 regiment)
Overview: Styled after an SLDF Light Horse regiment
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Independent Commands
Child Units: 1st Woodbine Chassuers
Exeter Cavaliers (1 regiment)
Overview: Styled after an SLDF Hussar regiment
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Independent Commands
Child Units: 1st Exeter Cavaliers
Kathil Cuirassiers (1 regiment)
Overview: Styled after an SLDF Dragoon regiment
Inspiration: BTSD creation to fill in AFFS Independent Commands
Child Units: 1st Kathil Cuirassiers
Militia Commands (22 regiments)
The March Militias do exist in 2785 even though they are drawn from Combat Regions and not PDZs which weren’t created until later. On the surface this makes them very similar to AFFS Regional Combatants but these formations have great differences. The March Militias are the only Regular Army units to recruit personnel locally and they function almost entirely defensively. They rarely leave their Combat Region even though they are funded by national military authorities.
Draconis March Militia (6 regiments)
Overview: The Militia for the Draconis March, one for each Combat Region
Inspiration: Inspired by canon formations in the HDSB and FM FS
Child Units: Clovis DMM, Robinson DMM, Franklin DMM, Verde DMM, Tancredi DMM, Kilbourne DMM
Crucis March Militia (10 regiments)
Overview: The Militia for the Crucis March, one for each Combat Region
Inspiration: Inspired by canon formations in the HDSB and FM FS
Child Units: Marlette CMM, Kestrel CMM, New Avalon CMM, Tsamma CMM, Point Barrow CMM, Remagen CMM, Anjin Muerto CMM, Broken Wheel CMM, Killarney CMM, Islamabad CMM
Capellan March Militia (6 regiments)
Overview: The Militia for the Capellan March, one for each Combat Region
Inspiration: Inspired by canon formations in the HDSB and FM FS
Child Units: Chesterton CMM, Emerson CMM, Hobbs CMM, New Syrtis CMM, Pleiades CMM, Lothair CMM
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Ice Hellion
Nice.
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Rainbow 6
Will some of the other independent commands that will make up the Federated Irregulars go onto form the basis of the other 6 Crucis Lancers Regiments?
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Takiro
I wouldn't be surprised Six! Wink
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FedComVet
Quick question regarding the planet Redfield. In Mercenary Supplemental Update it stated that Redfield's Renegades were created from the Redfield militia after a Capellan invasion. In Shattered Dawn would they still turn Mercenary or would they remain with the Suns and integrated into the Independent Command?
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Quote from: FedComVet on September 13, 2009, 12:29:52 AM
Quick question regarding the planet Redfield. In Mercenary Supplemental Update it stated that Redfield's Renegades were created from the Redfield militia after a Capellan invasion. In Shattered Dawn would they still turn Mercenary or would they remain with the Suns and integrated into the Independent Command?
They would still be mercs in SD- they went merc during the 2760s. Since SD doesn't differ from canon until after the coup the Renegades will follow canon and become mercs.
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Takiro
Fanbook 3 - Mercenary Guild addresses the Renegades in detail. PDF pages 202-205. Wink
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FedComVet
Thanks
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Takiro
No problem, we should also have a listing of mercenary forces in this book but the details are in Fanbook 3.
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March Militias date to at least 2527-HDSB mentions 2 divisions of March Milita being sent to Nahoni by David Varney. It also mentions that they were supported by 2 mech regiments. Maybe prior to the Davion Civil War and the formation of the AFFS the march militia were entire conventional forces and afterwards they became mech RCTs.