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TA 2785 Character Profile: Thaddeus Marik
« on: February 14, 2010, 01:02:50 PM »

I know you missed my profiles (or at least I believe so Tongue)
Sorry for the delay in coming back to the profiles but now back to business with Thaddeus Marik.

My main sources are House Marik Sourcebook (HMSB), Handbook House Marik (HHM) and the Star League Sourcebook (SLSB).

As always, first some facts.
Thaddeus Marik is the second son of Kenyon Marik and was born in 2755.
He became Captain-General in 2804 and died in 2821 in one of the last battles of the 1st Succession War on Dieudonné..
His stats in The Succession Wars Game are Combat 1, Military 1, Administration 3, which would indicate an able politician but a bad military leader (the same as his father)..


An experienced admiral, he served on the Steiner front for 15 years prior becoming Captain-General and favoured fleet assaults during his later campaigns. “Naval battles were commonplace as the two forces jockeyed for position; Thaddeus had served as Fleet Admiral for the Lyran front since 2789 and favored such operations.” (HHM)
He seems to favour commanding from the front as he was endangered in at least one operation and was leading another one when his father died.
“A year later, a Free Worlds’ assault on Hesperus, newly acquired by the Lyrans, never even made it into the atmosphere. Instead, a bloody naval engagement wrecked the fleets of both sides. Fleet Admiral Thaddeus Marik, who headed the task force, was lucky to escape.” (HHM)
“He was informed of his father’s death during the reduction of a Steiner stronghold, and remained long enough to complete the operation.” (HMSB)

He fought the politicians just prior him becoming Captain-General and after that but with his own weapons.
“Thaddeus’ ascension had not come without its problems. Resolution 288 remained in effect, but Parliament sought to regain its powers and had considerable support from provincial leaders such as Carter Allison of Oriente. Returning from the front upon learning of his father’s death (though not before completing his task in Steiner space), Thaddeus interrupted parliamentary deliberations and presented his authority as granted by Resolution288. Parliament balked when they saw the battalion of troops accompanying him, but recognized the threat to themselves if they failed to comply. Support for the continuance of Resolution 288 was not unanimous, however. In a game of bloody brinkmanship, Marik withdrew the FWLM from Oriente, the home province of his chief opponent, leaving only house troops to guard against Liao incursions.” (HHM)
He was also the first one to ask an oath of loyalty from the Marik Guard.
“In a tradition established by Thaddeus Marik in 2804, every new Marik receives a renewal of a personal oath of loyalty.” (HMSB)

He led several military operations, increasing the tempo of the operations. “Under Thaddeus’ reign,
the tempo of the conflict increased” (HHM)
He also knew the value of surprise or calculated withdrawals. “Thaddeus Marik, who had succeeded his father in 2804, had little choice but to abandon the Thumb worlds and rationalize his realm’s borders with the Commonwealth.” or “His political objective gained, Marik finally moved against the Liao raiders, surprising CCAF troops who had in two prior campaigns come to regard Oriente as a soft target. The unexpected challenge to their third invasion, and the bloody counterattack, forced the Liao troops onto the defensive once more.” (HHM)

However, his most successful operations were on the Capellan front and he focused more on counter-attacks than on offensive operations (and this in spite of the decreasing interest in capturing any planets).
“Thaddeus Marik’s 17 years as Captain-General of the Free Worlds were extremely violent, marked by the frequent enemy incursions into Free Worlds space and a vast commitment of military and economic resources to counterattacks. The bitter rivalry between the League and the Lyran Commonwealth caused vast destruction along the border, taking an especially heavy toll on the two states’ jump capable fleets. While the success along the Capellan front was markedly better, all the victors had to show for their efforts was shattered factories, bombed-out cities, and depressurized orbital facilities.” (HMSB)


Now that we had a better knowledge of what he did, what can we learn from it?
As with every other profile I write, the lines below are merely my opinions and as such can be wrong, ignored and so on.

First, I disagree with his stats as he seems to have been a cunning politician and general. “The new Marik, a brilliant strategist as well as politician” (HMSB)
However the costs of each campaign seems to have increased. “Under Thaddeus’ reign, the tempo of the conflict increased, as did the cost in lives and materiel.” (HMSB) indicating either a decrease in the quality of the average soldier or a preference of Thaddeus for direct operations.
“Though the Marik forces accounted for many fighter kills, they could not hit one DropShip or JumpShip. The unexpected loss of men and materiel (Thaddeus had expected to take three planets before meeting any enemy resistance) forced the Marik to call the offensive to a halt.” (HMSB)
This would tend to favour the first hypothesis but would also decrease the “genius” of Thaddeus as he wasn't able to give his troops objectives they could reach.

It is quite likely that he went through the only Aerospace School of the Free Worlds League, the Lloyd-Marik-Stanley Aerospace School.

He knew how to act quickly and seemed to believe in the end justify the means approach.
His reaction after his father's death is a good proof of that: first, he finished the operations, then moved against the Parliament with a “coup d'état” (how else would you call a Company of BattleMasters pointing their weapons at the MP?) and then he left Oriente, a stronghold of opposition, alone in front of the might of House Liao until they accepted his terms.

He was ruthless, prone to burst of anger but in the end with some sense of justice.
“Thaddeus Marik was enraged when he heard of Marley’s action. He ordered the Viscount stripped of all titles, lands, and property, and ordered that no one on the planet Chertan ever give him another job. […] The final irony is that Thaddeus, once his initial anger had passed, might have been willing to reconsider his pronouncement, but the Captain-General was killed soon there-after.” (HMSB)
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Re: TA 2785 Character Profile: Thaddeus Marik
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2010, 01:03:26 PM »

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Re: TA 2785 Character Profile: Thaddeus Marik
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2010, 01:05:04 PM »

Takiro

Sorry Ice, I've been really really busy lately. Thaddeus is a unique one for sure. In 2785 he is likely commanding a warship rather than piloting a Mech. He is 30 years old at the time of this report, so what do you think his position is now? He is ruthless and not as likable as his father certainly. He does put a personal touch on all his work and doesn't avoid confrontation of any kind. I'd call him direct and probably not a great politician, more of a military many with an iron hand.
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Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: TA 2785 Character Profile: Thaddeus Marik
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2010, 01:05:50 PM »

CJvR

Well a direct approach can be needed in Politics as well so threatening parliment to do what needs to be done in a time of chrisis does not disqualify you as a good politician. IIRC Augustus had a centurion from his army threaten the Senate, perhaps not particulary diplomatic but a very effective policy that ended the chaos of the late republic.

Thaddeus sounds very much like a diciple of Realpolitik, particulary his handling of the Oriente situation. Power first, last and always. I dont see him as being to concerned about maps, unlike most the neo-feudal house lords, but rather a more modern commander concerned with the destruction of the enemy's ability to wage war. As such I would expect him to dissapprove strongly to the TR's continued technological superiority although unlike his father I doubt he would dissapprove of the TR's existance or have any territorial ambitions other than whatever oppertunity sends him.

Other than that Thaddeus starting position will likely be quite a bit worse in SDBT than in OBT I doubt he can do much different in SDBT than he did in OBT - wage war on the enemy's ability to hit the FWL.

EDIT: Naturally his ships could have been pulled into the TR invasion an destroyed considering that the FWLN in particular had a nasty fight in the TR.
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Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: TA 2785 Character Profile: Thaddeus Marik
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2010, 01:06:30 PM »

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Quote from: Takiro on December 14, 2009, 10:30:09 PM
I'd call him direct and probably not a great politician, more of a military many with an iron hand.

Quote from: CJvR on December 15, 2009, 11:32:58 AM
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Thaddeus sounds very much like a diciple of Realpolitik, particulary his handling of the Oriente situation. Power first, last and always. I dont see him as being to concerned about maps, unlike most the neo-feudal house lords, but rather a more modern commander concerned with the destruction of the enemy's ability to wage war.

I think you summed the contradictions within him quite well.
His handling of the Oriente situation is a nice indirect approach but it might be costly for Oriente capacity to wage war for the Free Worlds League (perhaps a calculated risk) and it shows that he had some understanding of the way politicians are working as a true military leader would probably have gone for a more direct and ruthless solution.

However, it is clear from what I read that he isn't a cunning politician and for his military performances, I am still trying to figure it out.
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Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: TA 2785 Character Profile: Thaddeus Marik
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2010, 01:06:52 PM »

CJvR

Until Oriente is properly broken it is a threat to his power, by weakening the central authority, and thus the FWL fighting ability as a whole. Besides it is not as if Oriente is undefended so the CC's ability to do serious harm is restricted, but Oriente will suffer and that is the purpose. Hanse Davion did something simillar when he threw an entire Syrtis Fusilliers RCT to the wolves to break the military power of the opposition in the Capellan March. It is ruthless but effective, perhaps the TR should throw gravel into the machinery by offering a regional truce and offer to mediate with the CC - I imagine that would not go down well on Atreus!!! If the Cappies had been a little less vindictive and oppertunistic they might have split the FWL there.
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Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: TA 2785 Character Profile: Thaddeus Marik
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2010, 01:07:32 PM »

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Quote from: CJvR on December 15, 2009, 07:35:09 PM
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Until Oriente is properly broken it is a threat to his power, by weakening the central authority, and thus the FWL fighting ability as a whole. Besides it is not as if Oriente is undefended so the CC's ability to do serious harm is restricted, but Oriente will suffer and that is the purpose. Hanse Davion did something simillar when he threw an entire Syrtis Fusilliers RCT to the wolves to break the military power of the opposition in the Capellan March. It is ruthless but effective, perhaps the TR should throw gravel into the machinery by offering a regional truce and offer to mediate with the CC - I imagine that would not go down well on Atreus!!! If the Cappies had been a little less vindictive and oppertunistic they might have split the FWL there.

I don't think that in Shattered Dawn, the Oriente affair will happen.
And some regiments against the whole offensive might of the Capellan Confederation could lead to dangerous consequences (I assume Thaddeus never intended for Oriente to be able to resist).
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
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Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: TA 2785 Character Profile: Thaddeus Marik
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2010, 01:07:53 PM »

Takiro

You never know Ice but the events of canon certainly show us Thaddeus' personality.
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Re: TA 2785 Character Profile: Thaddeus Marik
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2010, 01:09:55 PM »

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Quote from: Ice Hellion on December 16, 2009, 09:47:38 PM
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I don't think that in Shattered Dawn, the Oriente affair will happen.
Why shouldn't it? Kenyons war will have been less successful in SDBT than in OBT. Fewer spoils of war and a hideous butchers bill would probably increase opposition to the war, and thus resolution 288, rather than diminish it.
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And some regiments against the whole offensive might of the Capellan Confederation could lead to dangerous consequences (I assume Thaddeus never intended for Oriente to be able to resist).
Oriente had a substantial force of it's own and while there is an oppertunity there for the CC it is not as if they can strip enough troops off the FS and other FWL fronts to take serious advantage of the situation so fast that the FWL would not be able to react and "save" Oriente from the foolishness of it's rulers.
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Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: TA 2785 Character Profile: Thaddeus Marik
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2010, 01:10:35 PM »

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Quote from: Takiro on December 16, 2009, 09:51:42 PM
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but the events of canon certainly show us Thaddeus' personality.

On this we agree.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
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Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

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