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General Notes:
FWLM is divided into federal and provincial forces FM:FWL p. 15
Unnamed FWL regiment fled during 1st SW and became Narhal’s Raiders HSSb p. 65
League Troops
Atrean Hussars formed 2923 FM:FWL p. 15
Free Worlds Regulars -used by Thaddeus Marik 2853-2990 (may mean Free Worlds Guard ) HMSB p. 43
Free Worlds Guard
formed 2426 as armor regiment. Before first SW there were 6 regiments FM:FWL p. 43
1st FWG -Amazons formed 2426 as an armor regiment FM:FWL p. 44
1st FWG originally an assault unit, converted to mechs mid 25th Century, uses heavy mechs HMSB p. 88
2nd FWG Ever Faithful formed 2464 as 1st Battlemech unit int he FWL. FM:FWL p. 45
2nd FWG Motto is ever faithful- has nver breached Captain General’s trust. built around medium mechs HMSB p. 89
3rd FWG League’s Blade formed? FM:FWL p. 46
Originally 1o reggiments of Armor & Infantry creasted in 2272 HMSB p. 88
Atrean Dragoons
prior to 1st 14 regiments strong FM:FWL p. 49
1st AD Eagle’s Honor formed ? FM:FWL p. 50
11th AD lost 2541 on Bolan, reformed before 1st SW by Erin Chu FM:FWL p. 51
11th AD formed after FWL recived Battlemechs in 2484. reformed during the reign of Ewan Marik. HMSB p. 90
12th AD White Sabres formed ? FM:FWL p. 52
Marik Militia
6 regiments during reunification war, 19 regiments during FWL civil war, added 8 more regiments after 2755. FM:FWL p. 53
2729 there were 12 regiments of Marik Militia HMSB p. 24
November 2787 Kenyon Marik orderd 10 regiments of the MM to clear a path to Sarna HMSB p. 28
MM has been backbone of FWL since 2525. During RW the 1st & 3rd MM fought the MOC, captured enough equipment to form the 6th MM.. By 2700 MM had 20 mech regiments. Between 2755-2760 8 new regiments were formed. HMSB p. 90
Originally the Armed forces of the Marik Commonwealth- sworn into league service early in FWL history HBHM p.101
1st MM Avenging Angel formed :? FM:FWL p. 54
1st MM light unit best suited for raids & recon HMSB p. 91
2nd mm The fates Formed ? FM:FWL p. 55
3rd MM disbanded after Anton revolt FM:FWL p. 53
3rd MM Commanded by Gerald Marik in 2678 HMSB p. 22
3rd MM fought in 3rd SW (2952) HSSB p. 71
4th MM Fighting Fourth formed ? FM:FWL p.56
4th MM destroyed on Anegasaki in 2789 HMSB p. 29
5th MM formed ? FM:FWL p. 57
5th MM designed for close assault role. powerful artillery & motorized infantry, many heavy/assault mechs. HMSB p. 92
6th MM Keystone Yeomanry - haved excelled at assault ops FM:FWL p. 58
6th MM formed during RW HMSB p. 90
6th MM designed for major invasions & Assaults. Many assault mechs. HMSB p. 92
8th MM destroyed during SW FM:FWL p. 53
8th MM destroyed by Justine’s Grenadiers some time after 2838 HLSB p. 92
9th MM The Hospitallers formed ? FM:FWL p. 59
9th has 300 year history of unbroken loyalty to Marik HMSB p. 93
10th MM Hammers served as shock troops-leading planetary invasions FM:FWL p.60
10th MM fought on Sirius in 2901 HMSB p. 90
13th MM Lucky 13th - lead FWL’s first op in the SWs - strike at CC shipyards at Aldebaran FM:FWL p. 61, HMSB p. 90
14th MM fought on Sirius in 2901 HMSB p. 90
15th MM Polyphemus Division formed ? FM:FWL p.62
18th MM Rose of Connaught formed ? FM:FWL p.63
20th MM Pit Bulls Formed ? FM:FWL p. 64
21st MM disbanded 3007 HMSB p. 90
23rd MM Sleight of Hand formed (at least by 2838) FM:FWL p.65
25th MM Soldiers of Faith formed ? FM:FWL p. 66
30th & 31st MM not formed until 2980 FM:FWL p. 68
Provincial Forces
Fusiliers of Oriente
Created 2485 - keep rebuilding existing regiments rather then creating new ones. FM:FWL p.73
Other mech units incorporated in the Fusiliers to keep them up to strenght HMSB p. 95
Ducal Guard- formed 2485 entered FWLM service after the start of the SW, recruits from Princefield Military Academy and other fusiloer units FM:FWL p. 74
1st Brigade - Jesters Formed ? FM:FWL p. 75
2nd Brigade Golden Phoenix - formed ? FM:FWL p. 76
2nd Brigade date back to founding of the Fusiliers. After Anton’s rebellion 2 regiments of Oriente Hussars (numbers not given) were used to rebuild the 2nd. HMSB p. 96
3rd Brigade The Corkscrews formed 2581specilazes in orbit to surface assault ops FM:FWL p.77
4th Brigade Hope of Glory - very active unit formed 2581 FM:FWL p. 78
5th Brigade - formerly SLDF 208th Hussars did not join Oriente until 2845 FM:FWL p. 79
Several regiments helped defend Calloway VI in 2789 HMSB p. 29
1 regiment (not identified ) destroyed on Van Diemen IV during 2838 HMSB p. 33
1st Brigade fought on Irian in 2842 HMSB p. 34
Protectorate Guard
Iron Guiard -500 year history (as of 3050s) unclear if this FWL or TH force FM:FWL p. 81
Iron Guard - have serve Border Protectorate and Free Worlds for nearly 500 years (seems to be in error- border protectorate has not existed that long) HMSB p. 97
Steel Guards - former LC mercs that joined FWL after being abandoned on Alula Austrais in 2799 FM:FWL p. 82
Sirian Lancers
Originally 10 SLDF regiments- 1/3 lost in coup, 1/3 left with Kerensky remaining units stayed behind and joined FWL in 2793. NO FURTHER RESEARCH NEEDED
Silver Hawk Irregulars - formed 2966 FM:FWL p. 88
Oriente Hussars
Originally had 11 regiments HMSB p. 100
1st OH Allison’s Hope formed ? FM:FWL p. 92
2nd OH Crazy Second formed ? FM::FWL p.93
3rd OH Perserverance - served mainly as a garrison against the CC Formed ? FM:FWL p. 94
4th OH Voice in the Dark formed ? FM:FWL p. 95
5th OH Gunslingers - formed ? Lightest of the OH FM:FWL p. 96
6th OH formed ? FM:FWL p. 97
Stewart Dragoons
In the early days of the SW Stewart fielded 5 mech regiments FM:FWL p. 98
Suffered heavy losses during the SWs HMSB p. 102
Home Guard -History goes back to armor regiments that defended against the FWL in 2293. Only 2 battalions survived the battle and 1 became the Home Guard FM:FWL 99
Home Guard - Originally a heavy/Assault mech unit HMSB p. 102
Juggernaut - raised in 2509, primarily assault force for Stewart FM:FWL p. 100
Several regiments helped defend Calloway VI in 2789 HMSB p. 29
Orloff Grenadiers
Organized in classic fashion- each battalion has 1 heavy, 1 medium & 1 light co. Very strict admission requirements.HMSB p. 103
1st OG formed ? FM:FWL p. 102
1st OG commanders are elected by the troops to a 2 year term. HMSB p. 103
4th OG - disbanded 2840 - formed? FM:FWL p. 103
6th OG formed 2840 from survivors of 4th OG FM:FWL p. 103
8th OG formed ? HMSB p. 103
Regulan Hussars
Formed as the battlemech arm of the principality of Regulus in 2478. received initial production run of Wasp & Archer mechs built from captured plans. Problems with the mechs led the regiments defeat against a CC tank regiment on Lopez in 2485. HMSB p. 103
1st RH - Steel Hussars formed ? FM:FWL p. 106
1st RH date back to at least SL era HMSB p. 104
1st RH formed in 2478 as battlemech arm of the Principality or Regulus Rolling Thunder P. 4
2nd RH Penitents formed ? specialize in assault operations FM:FWL p. 107
2nd RH serves as an assault unit HMSB p. 104
2nd RH formed around 2575 Rolling Thunder p. 5
3rd RH formed ? Invaded Loric in 2971 HMSB p. 44
3rd RH Formed around 2575 Rolling Thunder p. 5
4th RH - Formed during Kerensky regency, favor light mechs and raiding tactics, formed from Nepalese settlers of Muscida FM:FWl p. 108
4th RH -specialize in recon and deep penetration raids. HMSB p. 104
4th RH formed 2759 Rolling Thunder p. 6
5th RH formed ? FM:FWL p. 109
5th RH Fought on Loric in 2971 HSSB p. 74
5th RH formed 2759 Rolling Thunder p. 6
6th RH formed? destroyed on Loric in 2973 HMSB p. 103
6th RH formed 2765 Rolling Thunder p. 6
8th RH formed 2781 Rolling Thunder p. 6
9th RH formed ? FM:FWL p. 110
9th RH formed 2781 Rolling Thunder p. 6
Defenders of Andurien
Formed in 2514 whe 2 battalions of mechs were added Anduriens defenses. Continued to serve FWL even after Andurien was ceded to CC. Unit was based on Kanata & Granera during this time, Fought the battles to liberate Andurien at start of SWs. Andurien has historically rebuilt units which have been lost in battle rather then raise new ones. HMSB p. 101
1st DoA formed ? combined arms force. Most presitious unit in the Defenders HMSb p. 101
2nd DoA disbanded in 2nd SW HMSB p. 101
3rd DoA formed? HMSB p. 102
4th DoA formed ? HMSB p. 102
5th DoA Formed ? HMSB p. 102
6th Regiment fought on Teng in 2990 HMSB p. 46
Marik Guard
Commanded by General Lloyd Marik Stanley in 2883 HMSB P. 38
Provinvial unit of the Marik Commonwealth, served over 8 centuries, originally a jump infantry regiment, fought in the 1st Andurien war. equipped with mechs in 2484, commanded by a member of the Bryce-Marik familty for over 300 years HMSB p. 95
Langendorf Lancers - formed during 1st SW as private army of Callow VI. Later turned over to LCCC and then became merc. Original name? FM:Merc Rev p. 85
Unidentified FWL regiment fled into periphery early in 1st SW and later became Narhal Raiders merging with remnants of RWR regiment under Tyilik Narhal. HSSB p. 65
Unidentitified FWL regiment smashed during SW and became merc as McGee’s Cutthroats FM:Merc Rev p. 100
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Rainbow 6
Any idea what formation the ex SLDF units who joined the FWLM went too?
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Ice Hellion
I would say Sirian Lancers.
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Takiro
In canon Ice of course is correct but compared to the other Successor States. Not many. I'll post a list when I get to it tonight but seriously the numbers are the lowest. I know cause of the Mercenary Guild book. Biggest possible reason; Kenyon Marik.
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Quote from: Rainbow 6 on April 14, 2009, 06:00:06 PM
Any idea what formation the ex SLDF units who joined the FWLM went too?
I would guess that most SLDF soldiers that joined the FWL went to provincial forces- I would guess that most of the soldiers that joined the FWL (or any house for that matter) were originally natives of those realms. I figure these soldiers would probably join the local provincial force to be closer to their homeworld rather then join a federal force and be posted who knows where.
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Rainbow 6
Ok but can we find a way of working the 19th Recon into the FWLM's order of battle?
I only ask as the only other recon regiment in cannon is the Lexington Combat Groups 32nd Recon and i for one am assuming that the 19th would have come from the same (SLDF) source.
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FirstStarLord
Quote from: Rainbow 6 on April 14, 2009, 08:46:39 PM
Ok but can we find a way of working the 19th Recon into the FWLM's order of battle?
I only ask as the only other recon regiment in cannon is the Lexington Combat Groups 32nd Recon and i for one am assuming that the 19th would have come from the same (SLDF) source.
Granted I would like to do so, but the truth is we know very little about the SLDF's Recon regiments. When were they formed? How were they organized? Why are they not mentioned in the SL SB? Then again the Deneb Light Cavalry was never mentioned in that book and they had already been established in canon for years.
On the other hand, it's just as easy to argue that the 19th is decended from some other military organization other then the SLDF. Afterall, the FWLM is formed from the forces of scores of small states with a myriad of backgrounds and traditions.
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Do you mean the 17th Recon AKA Camacho's Caballeros or does the 19th refer to a different unit?
Unless I am missing something the 17th Recon only formed in the 3030s and has no ties to the SLDF that I've seen. (it is not mentioned in FM:Mercs Rev)
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Rainbow 6
Er yeah 17th Roll Eyes
I really shouldn't post when i've been working my brain just isn't up to it Cheesy
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: FirstStarLord on April 14, 2009, 09:29:55 PM
Granted I would like to do so, but the truth is we know very little about the SLDF's Recon regiments. When were they formed? How were they organized? Why are they not mentioned in the SL SB? Then again the Deneb Light Cavalry was never mentioned in that book and they had already been established in canon for years.
The 32nd Recon Regiment is a specialized unit organised in 2765 after the New Vandenberg Uprising.
My guess would be they are ad-hoc units created during the Coup.
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Rainbow 6
Yeah according to the 32nd's fluff kerensky formed a number of Recon regiments during the New Vandenberg uprising.
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Muttley
Probably survivors of Light Horse & Striker regiments as they were the lightest of the SLDF regiments.
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From Merc Guild
7th, 9th and 11th Oriente Hussars all fought in the opening battles of the SW p. 57
2nd, 4th, 7th & 12th Marik Militia all fought early in the SW p.97
5th Atrean Dragoons fought in the early SW p.67
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Takiro
Okay gang lets kick off the FWLM tonight. I wanted to post the UNR articles concerning the FWL here for possible relevance on the subject at hand. Back to judging the Liberator now. Wink
Marik’s New BattleMech
Keystone (National News Exchange)
Amid great fanfare the Captain-General and Earthwerks CEO Adrian Harrington announced today the renewed production of the much improved Battleax class BattleMech as an exclusive Marik design. In fact the first manufacturing run of this model is already underway. So why bring back a BattleMech often derided as a “poor man’s Warhammer� As it turns out there are several good reasons.
A large reason is the complete redesign of the original that the new ‘Mech is based. Former Star League engineers bought into the Free Worlds League after the Amaris Coup went over the old Earthwerks schematics from head to toe. They determined that the Battleax could better utilize its long range missile packs and jump jet maneuverability (which the Warhammer lacks) to achieve a finer edge in combat.
Ironically to increase the design’s long range profile the engineering team replaced the original Battleax’s Particle Projection Cannons (PPCs) with Large Lasers. While this decision stripped the ‘Mech of a small portion of its firepower and range it also doubled its long range missile racks. This trade off is generally favored because the PPC is viewed as a “Terran†weapon and in short supply in Marik space thanks to a breakdown in interstellar commerce.
The result as one Earthwerks test pilot put it “create an Archer-Warhammer hybrid that will be pretty deadly on any battlefieldâ€. Kenyon Marik who has already called the Battleax “the new standard of all Heavy BattleMechs†has ordered a halt to any further Warhammer production in the Free Worlds League. As a result Ronin Incorporated has already announced plans to acquire a license to manufacture the Battleax at its facilities on Wallis.
For his part in the deal Captain-General Kenyon Marik has already purchased a Battleax for his own personal use. Apparently this custom built model will include top flight Star League technology specially added for this VIP customer. Earthwerks and League officials remain tight lipped on what high end technology will be included on the factory model saying only “it will be the best available to the Free Worlds League Militaryâ€.
Battlefield Report: Bolan
Illion (Marik Military Press)
September 1, 2785
After several months the true story of the infamous Bolan attack can now be told even as fallout from this major battle continues to be felt throughout the InnerSphere. In March a large LCAF taskforce jumped into system to halt a supposed build up by the FWLM. While the Commonwealth claims to have evidence of this upsurge and thus sound reasons for their pre-emptive invasion none has been uncovered by public authorities. More likely this was an excuse to seize a strategically important target before the League could act in its defense.
Regardless of the reasons for the attack the smaller Marik defense force in system did its best to thwart the Lyran’s plan. In space the FWLS Merak’s Honor, an aging Stewart class Destroyer, squared off against an entire Commonwealth warship flotilla. Charging directly into the on coming enemy force the Merak was able to cripple a Mako class Corvette and severely damage another. Despite its bravery and initial success in the face of such odds the old Destroyer was just no match for Steiner’s big guns who eventually destroyed the vessel.
Three Commonwealth BattleMech regiments then closed on the planet itself to complete the conquest. Only a single League BattleMech regiment and the Bolan Planetary Militia stood in their way. Using their larger assault machines to crush any opposition offered by the lighter weight defenders the Lyrans soon gained a distinct advantage. Rather than abandon their positions on world Marik troops fought back with determination and made the attackers pay for every inch of ground.
They constantly denied the enemy the use of the planet by destroying all they could as they withdrew. Apparently frustrated by these scorched earth tactics and desiring a quick victory the Commonwealth commander resorted to the use of nuclear weapons. His attempts to annihilate our defenders failed however and bought their full wrath down upon his invading forces. Responding in kind with our own nuclear strikes devastated the attackers but unfortunately wouldn’t change the outcome of the battle.
In May our troops were forced to withdraw off world effectively awarding Bolan to the Commonwealth for the moment. Local resistance continues till this day thanks to the loyal citizens of the Free Worlds League. The Lyrans have apparently stationed a large garrison force on planet to consolidate their hold over the star system. Thanks to courageous defenders of the Free Worlds and the noble sacrifice of our people House Steiner won only a pyrrhic victory.
Regrettably the damage to the planet of Bolan is immense and will take many years to completely heal. The use of nuclear weapons by both sides created vast dead zones on the northern continent of Sakété and southern continent of Kashmir. The greatest damage occurred on the northern island continent of Sabari which was a hub of planetary trade and the site of a major Star League military base. As most of the fighting occurred here over these valuable assets the entire landscape was laid waste causing the entire continent to be declared completely uninhabitable.
Of course, the Lyran Commonwealth claimed to be acting in self defense and accused our forces of starting a nuclear holocaust on world. Officially House Steiner and their news agencies have proclaimed the assault a necessary objective raid with unfortunate consequences for the natives of Bolan. The LCAF while pleased with its conquest was no doubt angered by the loss of the Star League facility and the high causalities it took during the operation. Archon Jennifer Steiner has placed her forces on high alert but hasn’t yet tried to strike at the Free Worlds League.
Captain-General Kenyon Marik wasted little time in condemning this “blatant act of naked aggression†and further declared that House Steiner had violated the Ares Conventions. This cowardly sneak attack has left the people of the Free Worlds League calling for revenge and without a doubt has solidified public opinion behind the Captain-General. Some critics still persist in accusing Kenyon of being preoccupied with the Terran Republic but their voice is shrinking with each passing day. With public debate ending and the realm united in purpose our enemies should wisely capitulate and save themselves from the fury of the Free Worlds League.
Battlefield Report: Operation Avalanche
Marik (Marik Military Press)
November 1, 2785
Today, Central Command announced the start of a military campaign to restore peace to the troubled worlds of the former Hegemony. This effort dubbed Operation Avalanche is being led personally by Captain-General Kenyon Marik and includes military elements from every Province in the Free Worlds League. At this time details of the offensive remain sketchy because of necessary operational security which is maintained closely by SAFE. It is reported however that a full third of the FWLM maybe participating in this massive action. Thanks to foreign news services we also know that at least ten Terran star systems, possibly more, are currently under attack. Further information will no doubt follow later today.
The need to stabilize the vital core worlds of humanity following the devastating events of the Amaris Coup and the Exodus is the key to continued peace. A weakened Terra threatens the prosperity of our nation in this post Kerensky era. The Captain- General quickly realized that the Draconis Combine’s recent assault on Terra might signal its ultimate collapse and leave a dangerous vacuum at the center of the InnerSphere. League forces have been deployed to halt this impending chaos before a general war engulfs the former seat of the First Lord. After some debate the Provinces of the Free Worlds agreed that something had to be done to restore order in the old Hegemony. The objective of this operation is to incorporate Terra and as many of her former worlds as possible into the Free Worlds League.
This operation has of course not been without its critics. Many patriots wonder aloud why the Captain-General has concentrated our nation’s efforts on the Terran Republic. There are those along the Commonwealth border who would like to see a response to the Lyran surprise attack on Bolan. Many people of Oriente and Andurien continue to press for a Capellan offensive which would reclaim certain occupied systems from the Confederation. There are also those committed to peace above all who call this campaign, Kenyon’s War. Some even accuse the government of using this conflict to steal their personal freedoms or acting in some grandiose conspiracy theory. Debate and sound advice has been welcomed by the Captain-General as strength of our freedom loving society.
The Eagle remains committed to his goal of restoring peace to the worlds of the former Hegemony. The Captain-General has scheduled a pre-recorded announcement from the Winter Palace at Dormuth to the nation that will air tonight via the HPG network. Parliament is currently in session debating a resolution to support this action which the Captain-General has legally undertaken with authority granted to him by Resolution 288. Tomorrow they will host Terra exiles and begin the legal process of bringing their worlds into the League. All citizens of the Free Worlds League have been asked to conduct business as usual until otherwise instructed. Please do not hesitate in showing your support for the brave troops of our united military effort.
Good for Business
Atreus (League Business Journal)
December 30, 2785
The Free Worlds League has long been known as the “Gateway to the Stars†for its leadership role in the production of dropships and jumpships. With over 35 shipyards, the League produces a wide range of vessels from small Explorer and Merchant class jumpships to the massive Varyag class carriers. Every sort of dropship needed by the Free Worlds League Navy and the civilian fleets are also manufactured at these shipyards. The production capability of the League’s shipyards is so impressive that other nations would come here seeking ships for their fleets.
With the recent outbreaks of hostility across the Inner Sphere the LCCC has ordered that all foreign orders be canceled and all ships being constructed in the Free Worlds to be turned over to the League Navy when they are completed. The LCCC has also ordered a dramatic increase in the production of warships to meet the expected requirements of the Navy. All across the League shipyards are undergoing dramatic expansions as new building ways and dry docks are constructed and new workers hired and trained. At the Technicron Shipyard orbiting McAffe, the company has recently added two new drydocks capable of building warships of up to 800,000 tons and is constructing four additional drydocks. Two battlecruisers are already under construction at these new facilities. Technicron has also begun employing three shifts at the yard, which is keeping the facility running nonstop.
Other manufacturers across the League have taken similar steps. Based on the current rate of production, current estimates show that the production of dropships will increase by 34% over last year, jumpship production will increase by 27% and warship production will increase by a staggering 95%.
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Takiro
Free Worlds League Military
? BattleMech Regiments (as of 2785)
The FWLM is the final InnerSphere military in which we do not know its final BattleMech strength. Here is a quick reference to the others which have already been determined. 140 BattleMech Regiments for the AFFS, 134 BattleMech Regiments for the DCMS, 122 BattleMech Regiments for the LCAF, and 122 (or 129 if you listen to Liao) BattleMech Regiments for the CCAF. Now I see the FWLM as number three in this arms race. To explain, several canon references have Davion and Kurita as the two strongest Houses thus their 1-2 ranking is quite appropriate. The LCAF seems low because of their industry and wealth but remember they could have been hit hard by defections to the SLDF and causalities from their war with the Rim Republic. The CCAF would certainly try and puff out its chest despite a weak industrial base. Could their 129 number be a shot at equaling or slightly surpassing the FWLM? Strangely enough if you take all the BattleMech strengths together and average them you come up with 129.5. Thus far I have 92 FWLM BattleMech regiments accounted for. Thoughts?
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Rainbow 6
A figure of 130 would be about right i feel as the FWLM is at this point the 3rd largest military although a large number of the formations should be recent additions to the FWLM so they will be Green (Regular at most). Which means we need to find 38 regiments from somewhere.
I'm thinking mostly more Regional troops but i'm not sure we can do that number without adding more Federal forces as well.
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CJvR
Quote from: Takiro
The LCAF seems low because of their industry and wealth but remember they could have been hit hard by defections to the SLDF and causalities from their war with the Rim Republic.
They don't need that to explain the size of the LCAF. The Steiners would probably have gone for quality over quantity. Fewer big massive clonkers instead of many smaller ones. Give the Lyran regiments some 5 ton extra per machine and they will be about where they should be in relation to military budgets and firepower - and about where canon sources put them.
140 ( AFFS BM reg ) * 60 ( guesstimated average mech mass ) = 8400
122 ( LCAF BM reg ) * 65 ( guesstimated average mech mass ) = 7930
Fairly close to where one would expect an industrial power like the LC...
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Takiro
Quote from: CJvR on June 02, 2009, 03:27:13 PM
They don't need that to explain the size of the LCAF. The Steiners would probably have gone for quality over quantity. Fewer big massive clonkers instead of many smaller ones. Give the Lyran regiments some 5 ton extra per machine and they will be about where they should be in relation to military budgets and firepower - and about where canon sources put them.
140 ( AFFS BM reg ) * 60 ( guesstimated average mech mass ) = 8400
122 ( LCAF BM reg ) * 65 ( guesstimated average mech mass ) = 7930
Fairly close to where one would expect an industrial power like the LC...
Another solid point CJvR but lets stay on track with the FWLM.
I was thinking 128 to 130 BattleMech regiments in total for the FWLM.
92 regiments confirmed below. NOTE: I include three proposed regiments maybe in the Provincial Guard write up and those Don't factor into that 92 number.
Federal Troops (48 regiments)
Free Worlds Guards (6 regiments)
Overview: The Free Worlds Guards is the crème of the FWLM.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Free Worlds Guards, 2nd Free Worlds Guards, 3rd Free Worlds Guards, 4th Free Worlds Guards, 5th Free Worlds Guards, 6th Free Worlds Guards
Atrean Dragoons (14 regiments)
Overview: The Atrean Dragoons.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Atrean Dragoons, 2nd Atrean Dragoons, 3rd Atrean Dragoons, 4th Atrean Dragoons, 5th Atrean Dragoons, 6th Atrean Dragoons, 7th Atrean Dragoons, 8th Atrean Dragoons, 9th Atrean Dragoons, 10th Atrean Dragoons, 11th Atrean Dragoons,
12th Atrean Dragoons, 13th Atrean Dragoons, 14th Atrean Dragoons
Marik Militia (28 regiments)
Overview: The Marik Militia is the largest body of the FWLM.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Marik Militia, 2nd Marik Militia, 3rd Marik Militia, 4th Marik Militia, 5th Marik Militia, 6th Marik Militia, 7th Marik Militia, 8th Marik Militia, 9th Marik Militia, 10th Marik Militia, 11th Marik Militia, 12th Marik Militia, 13th Marik Militia, 14th Marik Militia, 15th Marik Militia, 16th Marik Militia, 17th Marik Militia, 18th Marik Militia, 19th Marik Militia, 20th Marik Militia, 21st Marik Militia, 22nd Marik Militia, 23rd Marik Militia, 24th Marik Militia, 25th Marik Militia, 26th Marik Militia, 27th Marik Militia, 28th Marik Militia
Provincial Forces (44 regiments +)
Provincial Guards (2 regiments +3 maybe more)
Overview: While nominally an allied force of independent League provinces House Marik has used the formation as a quasi federal unit.
Inspiration: Using the canon Marik Guard and Iron Guard I created this formation
Child Units: Marik Guard (Marik Commonwealth), Iron Guard (Denebola expatriates), Stimson Guard (Regulan Free States), Principality Guard (Gibson), Commonalty Guard (Rim Commonalty), plus a few independent worlds possibly (Irian, Kendall, etc.)
Fusiliers of Oriente (5 regiments)
Overview: The Fusiliers of Oriente.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: Ducal Guard, 1st Brigade, 2nd Brigade, 3rd Brigade, 4th Brigade,
Oriente Hussars (11 regiments)
Overview: Oriente Hussars.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Oriente Hussars, 2nd Oriente Hussars, 3rd Oriente Hussars, 4th Oriente Hussars, 5th Oriente Hussars, 6th Oriente Hussars, 7th Oriente Hussars, 8th Oriente Hussars, 9th Oriente Hussars, 10th Oriente Hussars, 11th Oriente Hussars
Orloff Grenadiers (5 regiments)
Overview: Another Oriente unit at this time.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Orloff Grenadiers, 2nd Orloff Grenadiers, 3rd Orloff Grenadiers, 4th Orloff Grenadiers, 5th Orloff Grenadiers
Regulan Hussars (9 regiments)
Overview: The forces of the Principality of Regulas rebuilt after the Scourge and the Marik Civil War.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Regulan Hussars, 2nd Regulan Hussars, 3rd Regulan Hussars, 4th Regulan Hussars, 5th Regulan Hussars, 6th Regulan Hussars, 7th Regulan Hussars, 8th Regulan Hussars, 9th Regulan Hussars
Stewart Dragoons (5 regiments)
Overview: The forces of the Stewart Commonalty are strong allies of House Marik.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: Home Guard (1st Stewart Dragoons), Juggernaut (2nd Stewart Dragoons), Swarm (3rd Stewart Dragoons), Steel Rain (4th Stewart Dragoons), The Companions (5th Stewart Dragoons)
Defenders of Andurien (6 regiments)
Overview: The forces of the rump Duchy of Andurien are critics of the Mariks.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Defenders of Andurien, 2nd Defenders of Andurien, 3rd Defenders of Andurien, 4th Defenders of Andurien, 5th Defenders of Andurien, 6th Defenders of Andurien
Graham Grenzers
Overview: Formerly the Grenadiers of the Graham-Mariks.
Inspiration: BTSD formation established to eventually replace the Sirian Lancers
Child Units: 1st Graham Grenzers
Possible New Units
We would need 36 to 38 more regiments in addition to the confirmed 92 above.
Please refer back to the Provincial Guard formation as well for my thoughts.
Olympian Hoplites (3 regiments - Federal Training Cadres)
Kalidasan Regulars (3 regiments – Forerunners of the Silver Hawk Irregulars)
Elements of these SLDF units joined the Free Worlds League after the fall. Could these returning Marik nationals make up a new House unit? Certainly the Captain-General attitude towards them might affect this. Would the League put these guys together to avoid them breaking up along Provincial lines?
5th Mechanized Infantry Division
63rd Mechanized Infantry Division
166th Mechanized Infantry Division (Red Diamond Division)
189th Jump Infantry Division (The New Orleans Division)
209th Mechanized Infantry Division
Bolan Thumb??
Abbey-Tamarind??
Tarmanid Sultanate (Miss Kotare) 3 or 4 regiments? Got to look over my notes for more info later.
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Rainbow 6
Given the nature of the League some would end up as federal formations and some as provincial. Those with large numbers of Free Worlds citizens within there make up would probably end up as provincial formations whilst those with large numbers of citizens from elsewhere in the Star League will become Federal formations where SAFE will have an easier time keeping an eye on them.
For a new federal formation there is the throwaway comment on the Free Worlds Milita with TRO3075.
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It's possible the Abbey District has a small military force 3-5 regiments. The duchy of Tamarind doesn't exist at this point so Tamarind may have a force but I doubt it would be that big. I could also see several regiments in the Bolan Thumb region.
Keep in mind that every world may have a military force which could count towards the provincial force- from HBHM p. 94:
The provincial forces fielded by each of the League's principalities have been described as everything from the backbone of the League defense to the bane of its existence. Regardless of one's personal viewpoint, however, no survey of Free Worlds military forces would be complete without mentioning these separately maintained and controlled armies.From the tiny Duchy of New Assam (whose army consists of thee regiments of infantry, four batteries of mobile artillery and two battered Wolverines) to the powerful military establishment of Oriente and Andurien (each of which can field five full regiments of mechs, several jumpships and about 50 infantry and armor regiments), the provincial forces are a constant thron on the side of the Marik.
Given the above statement we can if you want pick a number of worlds and give each of them a mech regiment.
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Takiro
Basically that is what the Provincial Guard is for Irose. It is a catchall force for important independents to have a line BattleMech regiment. Worlds like Irian are certainly important enough and have the necessary base to support such formations.
Bolan is an interesting question mark. Did they belong to a larger unknown province? Or would they have a Guard regiment (destroyed prior to the publication of this book by Lyran conquest).
When was the Duchy of Tamarind formed? Could it have had a larger forerunner lost to history? I ask because it is usually easier to go down then go up i.e. form a coalition of independent worlds into a duchy
For the Star League now Free World League contingent I was thinking of calling them the League (fill in this blank). Fits their origins and current circumstances quite well.
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Quote from: Takiro on June 02, 2009, 09:05:35 PM
Basically that is what the Provincial Guard is for Irose. It is a catchall force for important independents to have a line BattleMech regiment. Worlds like Irian are certainly important enough and have the necessary base to support such formations.
I would not have a "provincial Guard" formation. As much of a pain as it will be each world should have an individual force since that is how they will trained, equipped and deployed.
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Bolan is an interesting question mark. Did they belong to a larger unknown province? Or would they have a Guard regiment (destroyed prior to the publication of this book by Lyran conquest).
I would make Bolan part of a larger province- if only because it means we can give them several regiments in one organization- I think it will be less work for us.
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When was the Duchy of Tamarind formed? Could it have had a larger forerunner lost to history? I ask because it is usually easier to go down then go up i.e. form a coalition of independent worlds into a duchy
I can't tell you specifically when the duchy formed, it first appeared on the map showing the FWL after the 3rd SW (i.e. it did not exist at the start of the 3rd SW)
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Rainbow 6
How about League Regulars or League Milita for the ex-SLDF troops and Bolan Defenders for a Bolan Provincial unit?
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CJvR
Shouldn't there be a provincial unit from the Marik state as well?
Or was it federalized like the Terran army in the SL?
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Rainbow 6
Quote from: CJvR on June 03, 2009, 06:05:33 AM
Shouldn't there be a provincial unit from the Marik state as well?
Or was it federalized like the Terran army in the SL?
The Marik Milita was the Marik Commonwealth's provincial unit but was federalised early in the Leagues history.
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Takiro
Yeah I would think the Marik Militia was. Six I like the League Regulars (although we already have the Kalidasan Regulars any other fall back name suggestions?) at say 5 regiments (one for each divisional element) in strength although we could go slightly more. Perhaps a regiment for Loyalists?
I was looking at the map last night and the Duchy of Tamarind is close to the Bolan Thumb. Could have been a League province over there. What do you think its name was? I used to call the area the Bolan Reaches, FYI. Give me a proposal for its history and background.
Matter of fact while we are on the subject give me proposals for any multi world provinces you think may have existed at this time.
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Rainbow 6
How about changing the Kalidasan Regulars to the Kalidasan Guards or Guardians?
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: Rainbow 6 on June 02, 2009, 08:41:57 PM
Given the nature of the League some would end up as federal formations and some as provincial. Those with large numbers of Free Worlds citizens within there make up would probably end up as provincial formations whilst those with large numbers of citizens from elsewhere in the Star League will become Federal formations where SAFE will have an easier time keeping an eye on them.
I do agree with Rainbow 6
Quote from: Takiro on June 02, 2009, 09:05:35 PM
When was the Duchy of Tamarind formed? Could it have had a larger forerunner lost to history? I ask because it is usually easier to go down then go up i.e. form a coalition of independent worlds into a duchy
Or it could be a Marik creation to increase their hold on the borders without being too straightforward.
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Rainbow 6
How about the Bolan Frontier Territories?
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Takiro
Just doing some reading and research on the Bolan-Tamarind Province. Bolan was attacked by Steiner in 2427 its first mention in either HMSB or HBHM. Indicating that it joined the League during its initial expansion. We know the League was formed in 2271 and grew (page 11 HMSB) by incorporating neighboring states that wanted protection from pirates and hostile neighbors. The League also granted letters of Marque to privateers that spread the need for greater security. Could a Bolan-Tamarind proto-state based on trade (certainly if Tamarind had a shipbuilding tradition even in those days this could be the reason) near the Protectorate of Donegal have existed back then? Possibly. Thoughts?
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Takiro
Well here is what we know from canon information. The map of the Free Worlds League after the Age of War (2571) shows worlds colonized at that time. The Duchy of Tamarind includes six worlds in 3025 but Hell's Paradise, Promised Land, Millungera, Saltillo, and Kosciusko are not colonized as of 2571. In 2452 Bella and Alula Australis (I tend to believe this is Alula Borealis) taken by Peter Marik from Lyrans indicating they belonged to the Commonwealth.
So here is what I propose; the Bolan Association was a nine world proto-state originally consisting of Bolan, Valloire, Marsalle, Kamenz, Rochers, Dixie, Ilion, Nockatunga, and Tamarind. This free trade union assembled in the wake of the Outer Reaches Rebellion (2242) allowed its member worlds to survive and indeed thrive in a post Terran Alliance Human Sphere.
Philosophical Views; perhaps the finest merchants in Marik space
Question; when does the Association join the FWL? Would it be prior to 2293 which is the start of the Stewart War or after the Lyran Commonwealth was formed in 2341? The HBHS map shows the Protectorate of Doegal 3-4 jumps away from Bolan space. It might take Steiner 20 years to at least “threaten†the Association.
The Association endured significant damage during the Age of War with many of its worlds being assaulted in one form or another. The strategic location of the Bolan Thumb was too big to pass up during the Age of War.
Wealth and opulence during the Star League era as peace with the Lyrans bought prosperity and growth to the Association. Swelling to almost two dozen worlds (23) it becomes the fourth largest province in the League. Not quite as big as the Big Three but the Association would double the next largest province. As such would Bolan as a region be more loyal to the Star League than the Free Worlds League? Especially to someone like Kenyon?
Question what is their reaction to the Scourge and the fall of the Regulans? Do they try to ascend to the next level and become one of the big 3? Do they assume the Regulan role of opposition or do the Mariks identify them as a potential threat?
What was their role in the Marik Civil War? If neutral could their lack of commitment be considered a worse then choosing a side?
What is their current role? Was the fall of Bolan a plot by the government? Were they part of the opposition?
How do you like all of this?
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Rainbow 6
Like the name, they should join the league after stewart as historically that was the 4th province.
How about calling there army the Bolan Association Marines? Say about 5 mech regiments strong as of 2785.
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Hessian
Quote from: Takiro on June 06, 2009, 02:08:21 AM
Wealth and opulence during the Star League era as peace with the Lyrans bought prosperity and growth to the Association. Swelling to almost two dozen worlds (23) it becomes the fourth largest province in the League. Not quite as big as the Big Three but the Association would double the next largest province. As such would Bolan as a region be more loyal to the Star League than the Free Worlds League? Especially to someone like Kenyon?
How do you like all of this?
Not a bad idea.
As this province's wealth depends on peace with the Lyran Commonwealth(perhaps even trade) I guess it might indeed be more loyal to the Star League(and its ideals) than the Free Worlds League.
Very especially to a warmongerer like Kenyon.
I guess that relations between Kenyon Marik and Bolan are therefore probably more than tense.
So given Bolan's precarious location I could even see them contemplating rebelling against Kenyon Marik and/or allying with the Lyran Commonwealth(which might explain why it was the Free Worlds League that used atomic weaponry and a scorched earth policy when Lyran forces hit Bolan).
Though these are just my two € cents
As a name for the Bolan Association's military, how sounds the Bolan Borderers ?
Ciao
Hessian
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FirstStarLord
How about the Bolan Frontier Force? They were reorganized after the Age of War to be the League's first line of defence (coordinating with Nation units) against Steiner agression?
Bolan is a world heavily influenced by Indian Subcontinental culture, so the regiments could claim distance ancestry from the Indian Colonial Army's elite Frontier Force regiments, and their present day Indian and Pakistani descendents.
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Takiro
Hmm, not a bad idea FirstStarLord. I'm not sure I like the Bolan Frontier Force (not bad for the military as a whole but I'd like a more traditional two word unit name) but basing it off their cultural forerunners. Are there any other Indian-Pakistani names that could be useful?
Being the next Big Province how large should the Bolan Association Provincial Force be? The reduced Regulan Hussars have 9 Mech Regiments while the Oriente fields 21 Mech Regiments. I don't see the Bolans as a militaristic Province rather one focused on economic power. As such I have given them 8 regiments with one recently destroyed by the Lyran assault on Bolan. What do you think more or less?
Interesting also if Bolan and Regulas are cultural similar as they both hail from the Indian subcontinent. Yet they are likely very different in many ways. However, I wonder if this is another reason Marik might not trust them. A type of under lying racism?
On the other hand I see the militaristic Tarmanid Sultanate (created by Miss Kotare) as a six Mech regiment force whose lightning raids are feared by the enemies of the FWL. The Sultan is a nominal ally of House Marik and looks to use his Janissaries to advance the Tarmanid position within the League.
I'm not sure what kind of feel to give the Abbey District's military which I have allotted four Mech regiment. I'd like to get your input.
While I have noted Irose's objection to the Provincial Guards I must say that I still like the idea of this formation in the FWLM. Regardless of what happens there I got 5 Mech Regiments, 1 for each of these Provinces - Regulan Free States, Gibson, Rim Commonalty, Irian, and Kendall.
Add to these the Olympian Hoplites (3 regiments - Federal Training Cadres), the Kalidasan Regulars (3 regiments – Forerunners of the Silver Hawk Irregulars), and the League Regulars (6 regiments of returning SLDF veterans) we got a total of 35 new Mech regiments.
35 plus the 92 established gives us 127 Mech regiments thus far so we are close to the 129-130 Mech Regiment goal.
Please keep the input coming guys!
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Ice Hellion
I would say they join after the formation of the Lyran Commonwealth.
Sure they are merchant and the ideals of the Star League are nice but they need someone closer to home to give them shelter if a trade war is launched (and I think the Lyran Commonwealth would jump on the opportunity), hence they would be "loyal" to the Free Worlds League as long as it can be used.
For the Civil War, no side and both sides.
It might be badly perceived by the winner but unless the Bolan merchants can be replaced, he will have no choice.
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Rainbow 6
How about a number (2) of regional training regiments organised along the same lines as the Olympian Hoplites?
Say 1 each for:-
Princefield
Aitutuki
and maybe a regiment for the trinity worlds.
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FirstStarLord
Quote from: Takiro on June 07, 2009, 03:55:34 AM
Hmm, not a bad idea FirstStarLord. I'm not sure I like the Bolan Frontier Force (not bad for the military as a whole but I'd like a more traditional two word unit name) but basing it off their cultural forerunners. Are there any other Indian-Pakistani names that could be useful?
Interesting also if Bolan and Regulas are cultural similar as they both hail from the Indian subcontinent. Yet they are likely very different in many ways. However, I wonder if this is another reason Marik might not trust them. A type of under lying racism?
Well the Indians and the Pakistanis mostly use military terminolgy given to them by the British, even though they have been independent for more then six decades. Armored units are labled with terms like Cavalry, Lancers, Light Horse and Horse. The newer tank regiments in India raised after independence tend to be labled "armored", while Pakistan has continued to lable them all cavalry. The President's Bodyguard (in both India and Pakistan) is also an armored regiment, and is simply the old Governor General's Bodyguard renamed. Special note should also be given to the Corps of Guides, an elite regiment of the old British Indian Army that currently serves in the Pakistani Army.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corps_of_Guides_(British_India)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guides_Cavalry
More on the Frontier Force
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontier_Force_Regiment
I also agree about the racism angle. Despite being such a large part of the population in the League, people of East Indian ancestry tend to be underepresented at the top levels of government and nobility. Is it possibly a lingering aftereffect of the Scourge of Death's campaign of terror in the 2600's? We also know Muslims tend to be viewed with some antipathy in general throughout the League.
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Knightmare
Muslims were also late to get into the colonization game...worth noting.
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Takiro
Hmm, well we have two major Muslim groups being introduced here. The Bolan Association with its Pakistani origins and the Turkish inspired Tarmanid Sultanate. Of course Miss Kotare correctly pointed out the secular society of modern Turkey which could have made them some of the earliest Islamic space explorers in the BattleTech universe. I also think that Bolan resentment is built on their newcomer status as well. They aren't part of the original three and depending on when we have them join the FWL they could be one of the last major proto states to join.
Okay here are the numbers (I added one regiment each to the Federal Training Cadre and the League Regulars) for a total of 129 Mech regiments. One regiment (a Bolan unit) was just destroyed on Bolan which would have given the League 130. Thoughts?
Federal Troops (59 regiments)
Free Worlds Guards (6 regiments)
Atrean Dragoons (14 regiments)
Marik Militia (28 regiments)
Olympian Hoplites (4 regiments)
League Regulars (7 regiments)
Provincial Forces (70 regiments)
Provincial Guards (7 regiments)
Fusiliers of Oriente (5 regiments)
Oriente Hussars (11 regiments)
Orloff Grenadiers (5 regiments)
Regulan Hussars (9 regiments)
Stewart Dragoons (5 regiments)
Defenders of Andurien (6 regiments)
Graham Grenzers (1 regiment)
Kalidasan Regulars (3 regiments)
Tarmanid Janissaries (6 regiments)
Bolan Association (8 regiments)
Abbey District (4 regiments)
Still looking for names
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Rainbow 6
How about Abbey Templars?
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Ice Hellion
For the Bolan Association units, what about naming them after Pashtun Tribes and adding rifles at the end?
This would link them to old Earth and provide an ego boost, which might be needed for their status as newcomer.
* Sarbani
o Kasi
o Tareen
o Yusafzai
o Tarkalani
o Mohmand
o Mohammadzai
* Batani
o Seyani
o Dotaani
o Niazi
o Ghilzai
o Lodhi
o Suri (Pashtun)
o Marwat
o Lohani (Pashtun)
o Nuhrani
* Ghourghushti
o Kakar
o Mando
o Jadoon
o Safi
o Naghar
o Panai
o Daavi
o Ans
o Tarik
o Parman
o Abdul Rahman
o Selaha
o Damsan
* Karlani or Karlanri
o Mahsud
o Waziri
o Khattak
o Afridi (Pashtun)
o Orakzai
o Dawar
o Bangash
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FirstStarLord
I think the modern Pakistani Army is mainly Pashtun, so Ice Hellion's suggestion might have some merit. The Corps of Guides though could be the elite regiment of the brigade, like the Ducal Guard is for Oriente.
Edit: Actually it might be Muslim Punjabis who are dominate in the Pakistani army, it's not entirely clear.
Double Edit: This should clear things up:
"Traditionally, the army was a predominantly Punjabi force. In British India, three districts: Campbellpur (now Attock), Rawalpindi, and Jhelum dominated the recruitment flows. By 1990 the percentage representation in the Pakistan Army as a whole (officers and Other Ranks or soldiers) was as follows: Punjabis 65 percent; Pushtuns 14 percent; Sindhis and Baluchis 15 percent; Kashmiris 6 percent; and Minorities 0.3 per cent. Since then, with the provision of waivers for both physical and educational qualifications, recruitment has been increased from the formerly less well represented areas. Punjab showed an overall decline in recruitment of soldiers from 63.86 per cent in 1991 to 43.33 in 2005."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/pakistan/army.htm
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Ice Hellion
And it could make sense, I found a Bolan Scouts unit in the modern Frontier Corps.
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Takiro
Quote from: Ice Hellion on June 10, 2009, 07:44:30 PM
And it could make sense, I found a Bolan Scouts unit in the modern Frontier Corps.
Then how about we use that, the Bolan Scouts? I like it! Sounds like a light force perhaps the League's rapid reaction force??
Still need a name for Abbey. Templars doesn't do it for me.
Was thinking more about the Olympian Hoplites today. Should we have them as a Federal Training Cadre or drop it as a League military philosophy. I'm starting to favor having the 4 regiment Hoplites as an academy project that grew into the Star League RCT. What I'm saying is perhaps the whole idea began here and the League copied it at least in part after their exercises. Or do you see a role we completely missed that the FWLM should have. Thoughts?
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Takiro
Quote from: Takiro on June 10, 2009, 08:45:30 PM
Then how about we use that, the Bolan Scouts? I like it! Sounds like a light force perhaps the League's rapid reaction force??
Hey I found their insignia, Bolan Scouts, over on a Pakistani defense web forum. Not a great image but perhaps a solid basis for us to start.
I really like its real world basis for this unit which ties in with the Frontier Corps a possible name for the Association's pre-Marik military. I see the Bolans as tremendous opportunists which makes for great merchants. They only picked the Free Worlds League after the early Lyran government proved unstable at first, then tyrannical soon after. It cemented the decision to join the League but it is just one of the numerous examples of their opportunism.
Quote from: Takiro on June 10, 2009, 08:45:30 PM
Still need a name for Abbey. Templars doesn't do it for me.
Looking through a unit name file now for hints. Not much info on this province which could have been formed during the Star League.
Quote from: Takiro on June 10, 2009, 08:45:30 PM
Was thinking more about the Olympian Hoplites today. Should we have them as a Federal Training Cadre or drop it as a League military philosophy. I'm starting to favor having the 4 regiment Hoplites as an academy project that grew into the Star League RCT. What I'm saying is perhaps the whole idea began here and the League copied it at least in part after their exercises. Or do you see a role we completely missed that the FWLM should have. Thoughts?
Any thoughts here?
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The Abbey District was originally a military dictatorships until the 2800s -HMSB p. 64 Maybe the unit could be called The Crusaders.
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Takiro
Why the Templars and Crusaders for Abbey? Am I missing an obvious connection??
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FirstStarLord
Well we do know that on Maxwell there is a siginifcant Italian community, because after all who else would name their mountain infantry units "Alpini"? Plus having researched the names of their planets, I get a real European-Anglophone feeling from them. I think a title like the "Abbey Horse" might fit for the whole brigade, with individual reigments reflecting the backgrounds of the ethnic groups they are recruited from. We know the League did this with other units raised during the Star League era, so it might be a good foundation to build upon.
Another detail we might want to go with is round out the Rim Commonality forces a little bit by moving over a regiment or two to them. The Commonality seems to have a very large Slavic population living there based on the names of their planets, and I think we could do something really interesting with that.
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Rainbow 6
Ok if the Abbey District has a high Italian decended population how about the Abbey Cavalleria and for the Slavic based Rim Protectorate the Protectorate Arpads?
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: Takiro on June 11, 2009, 02:50:42 AM
Why the Templars and Crusaders for Abbey? Am I missing an obvious connection??
Too obvious it seems. Grin
An abbey (from Latin abbatia, derived from Syriac abba, "father"), is a Christian monastery or convent, under the government of an Abbot or an Abbess, who serves as the spiritual father or mother of the community.
Quote from: Takiro on June 10, 2009, 08:45:30 PM
Was thinking more about the Olympian Hoplites today. Should we have them as a Federal Training Cadre or drop it as a League military philosophy. I'm starting to favor having the 4 regiment Hoplites as an academy project that grew into the Star League RCT. What I'm saying is perhaps the whole idea began here and the League copied it at least in part after their exercises. Or do you see a role we completely missed that the FWLM should have. Thoughts?
Do you mean the Free Worlds League copied the Star League? Because reading you I understood it the other way around.
Maybe we should have it as a Federal Training Cadre being used to test a new military philosophy merging the Marik traditions and the Star League RCT?
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Takiro
Hmm, the Abbey Templars are beginning to make more sense then. With their cultural European-Anglophone angle we could make the common thread that bought together the District religion. What do we have for info on the District itself, not much right? I figure we can fill in the blanks of this canon Province along with our new additions, the Tarmanid Sultanate and the Bolan Association.
For the Rim I think the Commonalty Guard will do fine. The slavic cultural angle might tie them to the Mariks historically and that works in perfectly with the Provincial Guard.
Ice I think you nailed it better than I did for the Olympian Hoplites. They are almost an OpFor of sorts modeled after the Star League RCT. They provide advanced tactical and strategic training for the FWLM. Perhaps they trained with SLDF as well as other House units.
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Rainbow 6
So the Hoplites regiments would be the equivilent of 2 Striker & 2 Light Horse Regiments? But would they be pure Mech with Aero support or combined arms?
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Takiro
Well they might be 4 regiments that go through the entire strata of Mech classes (Assault, Heavy, Medium, Light). I mean if your gonna be teaching formation you probably want the widest variety of equipment to train others with. I also see them as embracing the newest technologies and military innovations. However this all presents a massive maintenance challenge.
Like your new Marik pin Six! Wink
Did some thinking on the Abbey District today and I think we've got an angle. Take a look.
Could the Abbey District be an early version of the Protectorate (circa 3025)? About the only blurb describing the Province (Abbey) appears in HMSB. “Near the rimward edge of the Free Worlds space, the Abbey District was originally a military dictatorship, but it became a republic with the redistricting of 2862. As most of its industrial strength was smashed during the first two Succession Wars, the district has remained poor. Only recently has the discovery of germanium and other rare earths on the planet Hammer attracted trade with the Free Worlds’ trading cartels. Since its inception, the government of Abbey has remained staunchly in support of Marik.â€
Now the Protectorate seemingly came into existence after Anton’s revolt when six independent worlds under his administrative control backed his attempted Coup. After Janos defeated his brother these worlds were consolidated into a single Province under the League’s direct control. Now could this have been the fate of the Abbey worlds after the Marik Civil War (2728-2734)?
The proudly independent worlds of what would one day become the Abbey District were horrified by the purges of Captain-General Elise Marik. These planets backed Oliver the Usurper during the Marik Civil War but were eventually subdued by the Loyalist Forces led by Bertram Marik. Occupied and consolidated under military authority the new Abbey District was formalized in the Treaty of Verona that concluded that bloody struggle.
Thoughts?
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: Takiro on June 12, 2009, 07:34:31 PM
Now the Protectorate seemingly came into existence after Anton’s revolt when six independent worlds under his administrative control backed his attempted Coup. After Janos defeated his brother these worlds were consolidated into a single Province under the League’s direct control. Now could this have been the fate of the Abbey worlds after the Marik Civil War (2728-2734)?
In Shattered Dawn, do their votes stand for or against the Marik family?
If they support the head of the Free Worlds League, I would say your explanation is a good one.
If they don't, maybe they were created after the Civil War but to give something to the losers (ie less strict Marik control).
Quote from: Takiro on June 12, 2009, 07:34:31 PM
Well they might be 4 regiments that go through the entire strata of Mech classes (Assault, Heavy, Medium, Light). I mean if your gonna be teaching formation you probably want the widest variety of equipment to train others with. I also see them as embracing the newest technologies and military innovations. However this all presents a massive maintenance challenge.
Yes for the second part, no for the first one.
4 different kinds of regiments cannot really work together.
The only example I have right now in mind is the 3rd RCT aka Eridani Light Horses. They were made of two Striker Regiments and two Light Horse Regiments, which are both light units.
If you want to go with the full spectrum of 'Mech classes, I would suggest that the Hoplites are the core of 4 different Brigade Combat Teams (p. 51 of Terran Republic Field Manual), which would also bring them to the forefront of modern military thinking.
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Rainbow 6
Quote from: Takiro on June 12, 2009, 07:34:31 PM
Like your new Marik pin Six! Wink
Did some thinking on the Abbey District today and I think we've got an angle. Take a look.
Could the Abbey District be an early version of the Protectorate (circa 3025)? About the only blurb describing the Province (Abbey) appears in HMSB. “Near the rimward edge of the Free Worlds space, the Abbey District was originally a military dictatorship, but it became a republic with the redistricting of 2862. As most of its industrial strength was smashed during the first two Succession Wars, the district has remained poor. Only recently has the discovery of germanium and other rare earths on the planet Hammer attracted trade with the Free Worlds’ trading cartels. Since its inception, the government of Abbey has remained staunchly in support of Marik.â€
Now the Protectorate seemingly came into existence after Anton’s revolt when six independent worlds under his administrative control backed his attempted Coup. After Janos defeated his brother these worlds were consolidated into a single Province under the League’s direct control. Now could this have been the fate of the Abbey worlds after the Marik Civil War (2728-2734)?
The proudly independent worlds of what would one day become the Abbey District were horrified by the purges of Captain-General Elise Marik. These planets backed Oliver the Usurper during the Marik Civil War but were eventually subdued by the Loyalist Forces led by Bertram Marik. Occupied and consolidated under military authority the new Abbey District was formalized in the Treaty of Verona that concluded that bloody struggle.
Thoughts?
Thanks , DoT did it for me over on CBT, just need the others now Smiley
Your idea makes sense to me, it gets my vote.
Quote from: Ice Hellion on June 13, 2009, 11:29:38 AM
Yes for the second part, no for the first one.
4 different kinds of regiments cannot really work together.
The only example I have right now in mind is the 3rd RCT aka Eridani Light Horses. They were made of two Striker Regiments and two Light Horse Regiments, which are both light units.
If you want to go with the full spectrum of 'Mech classes, I would suggest that the Hoplites are the core of 4 different Brigade Combat Teams (p. 51 of Terran Republic Field Manual), which would also bring them to the forefront of modern military thinking.
Have to agree with ice on this one, the BCT idea could make the Hoplites the insperation for the Defenders of Andurien's BCT style that gave Thomas Marik the idea for the Free Worlds Legions.
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Takiro
I think the Abbey explanation works but what can we imply from it, their European-Anglophone culture, and their name? Could the District, a military dictatorship, be a Christian province under the control of pro-Marik Chaplain? And how do the Templars get formed out of all of this?
I could see the Hoplites being a combined arms unit like a Terran BCT or the Davion Ceti Hussars. Certainly armor and infantry would add to their teaching capabilities.
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LordGrayson
Quote from: Ice Hellion on June 13, 2009, 11:29:38 AM
Yes for the second part, no for the first one.
4 different kinds of regiments cannot really work together.
The only example I have right now in mind is the 3rd RCT aka Eridani Light Horses. They were made of two Striker Regiments and two Light Horse Regiments, which are both light units.
If you want to go with the full spectrum of 'Mech classes, I would suggest that the Hoplites are the core of 4 different Brigade Combat Teams (p. 51 of Terran Republic Field Manual), which would also bring them to the forefront of modern military thinking.
The SLDF had a few RCT's that arn't just two type's regiments the terran and 1st RCT have 3 or more different type's of regiments. These had striker,light horse, hussar not sure if they had a dragoon regiment [site's down dang it Smiley can't check ]
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Takiro
Quite right LG, most of the Star League RCTs can be found in the SLSB's SLDF deployment pages.
Terran RCT (Terran Hegemony - I Corps)
277th Light Horse Regiment
138th Hussar Regiment
118th Dragoon Regiment
593rd Striker Regiment
1st RCT (Free Worlds League - not together, split between 3 different Corps)
42nd Hussar Regiment (IV Corps)
75th Light Horse Regiment (XXVI Corps)
138th Dragoon Regiment (XXVI Corps)
195th Royal Light Horse Regiment (XXXIX Corps)
2nd RCT (Lyran Commonwealth - Paget's War Ponies also detailed in the HSSB - need to look up)
25th Striker Regiment (LXI Corps)
* strangely enough this is the only unit mentioned in the SLSB, take a look in Merc Guild for our thoughts on how the 25th teamed up with their fellow SLDF regiment
3rd RCT (Draconis Combine - Eridani Light Horse - mentioned in several other sources)
71st Light Horse Regiment (XI Corps)
151st Light Regiment (XI Corps)
19th Striker Regiment (XI Corps)
21st Striker Regiment (XI Corps)
4th RCT (Federated Suns)
255th Light Horse Regiment (LXII Corps)
111th Dragoon Regiment (LXII Corps)
55th Royal Light Horse Regiment (LXII Corps)
247th Dragoon Regiment (LXII Corps)
5th RCT (Capellan Confederation)
1003rd Light Horse Regiment (LXXI Corps)
1010th Light Horse Regiment (LXXI Corps)
982nd Royal Striker Regiment (LXXI Corps)
997th Striker Regiment (LXXI Corps)
Anyhow back to the topic at hand the FWLM. I think we are pretty much set. Gonna compile everything and get onto the next House.
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: Takiro on June 13, 2009, 03:41:53 PM
I think the Abbey explanation works but what can we imply from it, their European-Anglophone culture, and their name? Could the District, a military dictatorship, be a Christian province under the control of pro-Marik Chaplain? And how do the Templars get formed out of all of this?
Probably a bit too much.
Let's just say that some uninspired member of the military came with the name since the planet was named Abbey.
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Rainbow 6
Do you think the 1st RCT was split up because the SLDF had a FWLM unit similar to our Olympian Hoplites to work with?
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Takiro
Quote from: Ice Hellion on June 14, 2009, 04:49:31 PM
Let's just say that some uninspired member of the military came with the name since the planet was named Abbey.
In 2785 the Abbey District is made up of six inhabited star systems (Maxwell, Eion, Silver, Manotick, Hammer, and Gibraltar) none of which are named Abbey. Maxwell was profiled in HMSB got to look for details on others. And why 3 regiments for this District? The Templar name implies some sort of extreme devotion I would think. An early version of the Knights of the InnerSphere whose loyalty to the Captain-General is paramount. Thoughts?
Six I'm not sure the 1st RCTs deployment has anything to do with the Hoplites but the FWLM has a tradition of innovative military education;
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Lost in the annals of history, the Nova Squadron School of Combat—a lesser-known “top gun†program for FWL pilots before the SLDF adopted it—churned out less than five hundred “elite of the elites†during its heyday. Even after the SLDF began its own Supernova program, the League’s NSSOC graduates could still out-fly and outfight any other ASF pilot throughout the first two Succession Wars. With the demise of fleet engagements and aerospace assets after the Second Succession War, the NSSOC became little more than a flying social club, at times putting even Lyran social generals to shame.
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Quote from: Takiro on June 15, 2009, 12:28:30 PM
In 2785 the Abbey District is made up of six inhabited star systems (Maxwell, Eion, Silver, Manotick, Hammer, and Gibraltar) none of which are named Abbey. Maxwell was profiled in HMSB got to look for details on others. And why 3 regiments for this District? The Templar name implies some sort of extreme devotion I would think. An early version of the Knights of the InnerSphere whose loyalty to the Captain-General is paramount. Thoughts?
If it is not a planet than make it an uninspired guy that took inspiration from the name of the district.
For your idea, why not? But why would these guys be extra loyal? Maybe they have to proof it because they were not loyal (or not supposed to be) when the Captain General asked them for help (something akin to the Dead Men of Dunharrow but with less dramatical effects).
Quote from: Takiro on June 15, 2009, 12:28:30 PM
Six I'm not sure the 1st RCTs deployment has anything to do with the Hoplites but the FWLM has a tradition of innovative military education;
Where did you get that quote?
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Takiro
The Abbey Templars would be out to prove themselves to the Captain-General. Perhaps he knighted the few loyal natives from the Civil War together with some other League heroes to make an exemplar unit for the populace to follow. I mean it is a certain amount of public relations. Such a success at inspiring the people of Abbey they were expanded by House Marik to 3 full Mech regiments after the Arms Control Amendment of 2752.
The Nova Squadron School of Combat (and the quote) come from Technical Readout: 3050 Upgrade page 238 under the Gotha class Aerospace Fighter.
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LordGrayson
that quote to me is more limited to aerospace then to other armed forces like mech and tanks and such
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: LordGrayson on June 16, 2009, 04:54:17 PM
that quote to me is more limited to aerospace then to other armed forces like mech and tanks and such
But it shows that the Free Worlds League could be at the forefront of military innovations and training.
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Takiro
Okay guys some more good stuff on the Abbey District;
Maxwell is the only world described in detail (HMSB) and I think it is the capital world for the District. Not only is it the only detailed Abbey world but it is curiously referred to singularly a few times in HMSB. Under Military Dictatorship it not the Abbey District or any of its other worlds appear as an example.
Also very interesting, the Hero Training Institute founded in 2989 is located on Maxwell. Wonder if this could be a sad remnant of our Abbey Templars?
Hammer is really the only other world that gets any canon detail which I will comment on a little bit later. Sadly there is no detailed canon information on Gibraltar, Silver, and Manotick other than their existence through 3025. Interestingly enough only Maxwell and Gibraltar appear on the 2571 post Age of War map. From this we can safely say that Gibraltar, Silver, and Manotick are settled during the Star League era. However we can’t go back to 2271 for cartographic indications because the earliest map of the FWL doesn’t show the future Abbey area. The sixth and final Abbey world of Eion appears on the 1st Succession War map and is gone by the 2nd Succession War.
So lets imply some District strength and weaknesses based on the information at hand. First and perhaps most significant is trade which seemingly a strong trait of the Abbey worlds. Hammer is home to Correlated Traders (again 3025) which generates high profits through dealings with neighboring the Periphery regions. Maxwell is also one of Free Flight Limited’s four dispatch centers in 3025 yet another indication of its commercial tradition. In addition and interestingly enough the Abbey District appears in the new Periphery Handbook as a trading partner of the Rim Collection. This plus the fact it is a FWL Province imbues the District with its own merchant tradition. These traders appear to focus on commerce with the Periphery which could have a big impact especially during this era.
Maxwell is referred to as an agricultural world with ideal soil and is likely the breadbasket of the District. Gibraltar I would make another candidate for agrarian strength because of its colonization age. Other than these worlds little information exists on farming in this region.
The District certainly has some industry located mainly on Hammer and the other Abbey worlds aside from Maxwell. The write up on Maxwell indicates that planet never had much industry and was never attacked because of the lack of it. Of course the other planets get wrecked during the first two canon Succession Wars. The question is how heavy was this industry? I would doubt it included BattleMech production and if it did I would keep it light to medium at best.
On the whole the District doesn’t appear to be a bastion of learning however the information is limited. There are indications of high tech communications gear, personal hovercars, and extensive space travel which means it ain’t completely backwater. Also Maxwell has produced noted Parliamentarians so there must be some level of education. I’d describe it almost as a suburban sector of space.
Be interesting if we did another tie in with the Abbey Templars and the real life Templars. Could they be escorts for Periphery trading missions engaging in commerce themselves?
For the origin of the Abbey District itself I’m thinking of a story based on a Catholic Abbey on Maxwell who urged his folk to back the rightful Captain-General during the Civil War in spite of some injustices. Sort of the core of the Loyalists who became the first Templars.
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Rainbow 6
Sounds good to me Takiro.
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Hessian
Quote from: Takiro on June 17, 2009, 02:32:55 AM
Be interesting if we did another tie in with the Abbey Templars and the real life Templars. Could they be escorts for Periphery trading missions engaging in commerce themselves?
Hmmm.... this would certainly give this province some unique appeal.
Overall I like your proposals for the Abbey District.
Ciao
Hessian
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: Takiro on June 17, 2009, 02:32:55 AM
Be interesting if we did another tie in with the Abbey Templars and the real life Templars. Could they be escorts for Periphery trading missions engaging in commerce themselves?
Wouldn't this make them more Aerospace Fighters oriented?
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Takiro
Not necessarily. Transactions especially with the Periphery (less likely to have advanced stations) would likely occur on the ground of some habitable planet. Aerospace fighters would likely be part of their TOE.
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: Takiro on June 17, 2009, 09:01:42 PM
Not necessarily. Transactions especially with the Periphery (less likely to have advanced stations) would likely occur on the ground of some habitable planet. Aerospace fighters would likely be part of their TOE.
I guess it would be a combined arms unit then (BattleMechs cannot always protect merchants).
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Rainbow 6
Maybe each regiment is equiped like the Ducal Guard from Historicals Bush Wars, 1 Battalion each of Mechs/Armour/Infantry with a squadron of aerofighters in support.
We could even have the new recruits starting as Infantry and working there way up to mechwarrior.
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Takiro
Quote from: Rainbow 6 on June 18, 2009, 06:14:02 PM
We could even have the new recruits starting as Infantry and working there way up to mechwarrior.
Oh I really like that. I see the unit capturing the imagination of the entire Free Worlds League at least in its early days. Recruits by the dozen pour in from throughout the realm eventually swelling its ranks to three regiments.
However there is a dark side to these white knights. Support of the Captain-General means support of his policies like the passage and enactment of that free trade act with the Periphery that ends up doing untold harm. Perhaps the Templars have become a symbol of greed or even worse the enforcers of unfair "trade" with the Periphery.
I do see several original Knights and disillusioned ex-recruits speaking out against their formerly noble organization. Other warning signs like people with enough pull or wealth obtaining rapid and possible unwarranted promotions could also be included. However they are extremely "successful" (money wise anyway that is their primary motivation) and still have some of their former aura to those faithful to House Marik.
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Hessian
quote from: Takiro on June 18, 2009, 08:27:50 PM
Oh I really like that. I see the unit capturing the imagination of the entire Free Worlds League at least in its early days. Recruits by the dozen pour in from throughout the realm eventually swelling its ranks to three regiments.
However there is a dark side to these white knights. Support of the Captain-General means support of his policies like the passage and enactment of that free trade act with the Periphery that ends up doing untold harm. Perhaps the Templars have become a symbol of greed or even worse the enforcers of unfair "trade" with the Periphery.
I do see several original Knights and disillusioned ex-recruits speaking out against their formerly noble organization. Other warning signs like people with enough pull or wealth obtaining rapid and possible unwarranted promotions could also be included. However they are extremely "successful" (money wise anyway that is their primary motivation) and still have some of their former aura to those faithful to House Marik.
Good ideas!
Ciao
Hessian
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Takiro
Okay I think we are all set with units and the ideas behind them. What about Military Academies? Here is a list from FM FWL with some questions.
Aitutaki Academy (Regulas)
Allison Mechwarrior Institute - OMI (New Olympia)
Athene Combat School – ACS (Atreus)
Atreus Officer Training College (Atreus)
Humphreys Training Academy (could this facility have been moved to Kanata from Andurien after the formation of the Star League?)
Lloyd Marik-Stanley Aerospace School – LMS (New Olympia)
Princefield Military Academy (Oriente)
Orloff Military Academy – OMA (based on Vanra close to the Capellan border and I'm not entirely sure if Orloff has attained its independence from Oriente yet, did it exist at this time or was it founded later)
As I noted a few posts ago the Hero Training Institute is detailed in the original House Marik SB. Founded in 2989 it is located on Maxwell within the Abbey District, I'd say its capital world. Could this for profit private institute be a sad remnant of a Templar facility? If so what is its name? Details?
Could Kalidasa have a military academy?
The Bolan Association and the Tarmanid Sultanate are good candidates for military academies of their own. What would they be?
Odd that Marik (on the planet I mean) doesn't have a military academy....
Also what of League's secondary method of military recruitment. These facilities or methods fall somewhere between Primary (National) Military Academies and Tertiary (found on every inhabited world) Planetary Academies. So far we've had Draconis Proving Grounds, Davion Regional Academies, and Liao's Lancer Program as examples of these innovative training models.
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Rainbow 6
Humphreys Training Academy - Yes move it to Kanata
Orloff Military Academy - Not sure if Orloff is independent yet, but i think the academy exists anyway.
Hero Training Institute - I think the Maxwell site should be the former academy of the Abbey Templars, also in the original 3025 housebook it says their are 3 Hero Training Institutes so we have 2 more potential academies to place, personally i feel one should be on Lesnovo and one on Kalidasa.
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Quote from: Takiro on June 19, 2009, 02:47:36 PM
Lloyd Marik-Stanley Aerospace School – LMS (New Olympia)
Wasn't Lloyd Marik-Stanley a figure from the 2nd SW (he was a regent for Elizabeth Marik?? I'm not at my books) so I don't think the academy would exist at this point or at the minimum it needs a new name.
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The Bolan Association and the Tarmanid Sultanate are good candidates for military academies of their own. What would they be?
Going with the Pakistan connection for Bolan in Pakistan the military Academy is just the Pakistan Military Academy so maybe just have the Bolan Military Academy.
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Odd that Marik (on the planet I mean) doesn't have a military academy....
Maybe it moved to Atreus with the formation of the FWL?
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Also what of League's secondary method of military recruitment. These facilities or methods fall somewhere between Primary (National) Military Academies and Tertiary (found on every inhabited world) Planetary Academies. So far we've had Draconis Proving Grounds, Davion Regional Academies, and Liao's Lancer Program as examples of these innovative training models.
Given the diversity of the FWL, I suspect that every world has it's own Boot Camps for training troops.
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Ice Hellion
Orloff became independent in 2691
Quote from: lrose on June 19, 2009, 05:02:51 PM
Given the diversity of the FWL, I suspect that every world has it's own Boot Camps for training troops.
Yes but I think you would only find intermediate training grounds at the Provincial level.
Maybe two for each (except the smallest) and 3-4 for the largest/more militaristic.
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Takiro
Irose you are absolutely right about Admiral Lloyd Marik-Stanley, the commander of the Marik Guard interestingly enough, who became "captain-general" in 2883. He shared power with Elizabeth Marik who returned from ComStar service for six years until his death in battle over Aldebaran. I don't think we need a whole new academy however just a name. I might think about striking Aerospace from the LMS name as well because of the time period of the renaming which has witnessed the extinction of "Naval" assets and the predominance of aerospace fighters.
Thanks for the date again Ice on Orloff. I keep forgetting. This and other Provincial details like the state of Regulan politics (the recently elevated Cameron-Jones family vs. the Schenk family who were the Marik appointed stewards) as well as Intendency of New Grenada (aka the Intendency of New New Spain or the Southwestern Worlds) can be included for sake of current events. So we can keep the OMA and its close ties to Oriente.
Moving the Humphreys Training Academy to Kanata does sound appropriate even could explain the name.
The Bolan Military Academy is a bit no frills but ultimately acceptable for that Province's school.
Still need some other names for the Provincial Academies of the Tarmanid Sultanate (something Turkish), the Abbey District (something Knightly), and the Duchy of Kalidasa.
Yeah I guess Marik closed its academy down or moved it to show greater unity or some such with the League.
I agree with the diversity aspect of the League but where is the making money aspect. Their secondary training method should really incorporate both. Could Hero Training Institutes be it? As Six eludes to could there be more (possibly many more) located on worlds throughout the League willing to educate anyone with enough money to pay for it??
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Rainbow 6
According to the Hero Training entry on pg113 of the original marik handbook "for every hero training institute there are 5 others that are partial or total scams."
Also as of 3025 the 3 Hero Training sites are training over 1400 people at any one time.
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Quote from: Takiro on June 19, 2009, 07:08:56 PM
Irose you are absolutely right about Admiral Lloyd Marik-Stanley, the commander of the Marik Guard interestingly enough, who became "captain-general" in 2883. He shared power with Elizabeth Marik who returned from ComStar service for six years until his death in battle over Aldebaran. I don't think we need a whole new academy however just a name. I might think about striking Aerospace from the LMS name as well because of the time period of the renaming which has witnessed the extinction of "Naval" assets and the predominance of aerospace fighters.
I didn't mean to imply we should get rid of the academy- we should just rename it-
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Still need some other names for the Provincial Academies of the Tarmanid Sultanate (something Turkish), the Abbey District (something Knightly), and the Duchy of Kalidasa.
For Tarmanid how about Kara Tarmanid Okulu - which if I got it right translates into Tarmanid Military Academy
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Takiro
Quote from: Rainbow 6 on June 19, 2009, 09:11:07 PM
According to the Hero Training entry on pg113 of the original marik handbook "for every hero training institute there are 5 others that are partial or total scams."
Also as of 3025 the 3 Hero Training sites are training over 1400 people at any one time.
After rereading the Hero Training Institute I doubt they were around at this time. They sound like a Succession War product. However, it could have had a basis in an older idea. Perhaps a more reputable government regulated albeit corporate endeavor to find the best warriors for military and private service. It could explore all sorts of innovative ways from funding video games to judge potential piloting skill. Smiley That is unorthodox granted as this effort would likely use more proven methods to evaluate and train personnel. The Free Worlds League could fund it in part and see a return in skilled personnel who might have fallen through the cracks while corporate types could find a source of qualified security personnel.
Quote from: lrose on June 19, 2009, 09:43:05 PM
I didn't mean to imply we should get rid of the academy- we should just rename it-
My bad, we do need a new name for this facility and I think it should be something naval not aerospace. I'll have to do a search of TRO2800 and make sure we didn't mention LMS by name as that would be an error.
Quote from: lrose on June 19, 2009, 09:43:05 PM
For Tarmanid how about Kara Tarmanid Okulu - which if I got it right translates into Tarmanid Military Academy
I great suggestion based on the Turkish Military Academy, Miss K would be proud! However I just did a translation on the Kara Harp Okulu (Turkish Military Academy) that might shed light on this.
Turkish - English
Kara - pref. nigr / n. earth, ground, land, sable, shore, smut, terra firma / adj. black, dark, ivory black, overland, sable, territorial, sooty / n. snow / v. brown / n. profit, gain, benefit, avail, capital, catch, fruit, gainings, increment, melon, return, avails, pay dirt
Harp - n. war, warfare, harp, sackbut
Okulu - n. school, college, academy, shop / n. arrow, missile
We could just keep the Kara Harp Okulu as the Tarmanid school doesn't sound out of place.
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As for Kalidasa, I would see no reason for them to not have a military academy during this period. If they have their own provincial military, then I'm sure they want to train their own officers to lead it. You could call it the Kalidasa Defense Academy, since Kalidasa is right on the League-Commonwealth border and defense would be their primary mission.
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Takiro
I agree with you FirstStarLord, granted the only mention we have of an imprtant Duchy of Kalidasa is during the Marik Civil War and they backed the wrong side there. I like the Kalidasa Defense Academy. So here is what we have so far;
Established Canon
Aitutaki Academy (Regulas)
Allison Mechwarrior Institute - OMI (New Olympia)
Athene Combat School – ACS (Atreus)
Atreus Officer Training College (Atreus)
Humphreys Training Academy (Kanata)
Princefield Military Academy (Oriente)
Orloff Military Academy – OMA (Vanra)
BTSD Creations
Bolan Military Academy (Bolan)
Kara Harp Okulu (Ayn Tarma)
Kalidasa Defense Academy (Kalidasa)
Needs a New Name
Lloyd Marik-Stanley Aerospace School – LMS (New Olympia)
Abbey District - Abbey Templars (Maxwell)
Secondary Military School
I'm really liking the privatized schooling option for the FWLM. Additional hooks I've thought of, SAFE might have a great interest in these "dark" or lesser known schools. Good for plucking black ops guys with little background. Could this have served Marik well during the Hidden Wars? A supply of lesser known but highly skilled individuals might serve them well. Could this have had its drawbacks? Armed rebels the cause of frequent rebellions inside the League and possibly out?? Could it be a leading producer of mercs, at least of the old school vein (pre-SLDF and RWR, see Mercenary Guild)? Need a good corporate sounding name.
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: Takiro on June 20, 2009, 02:34:49 AM
Needs a New Name
Lloyd Marik-Stanley Aerospace School – LMS (New Olympia)
Abbey District - Abbey Templars (Maxwell)
Icarus School? A reference to the figure of Greek Mythology and to the real Hellenic Air Force Academy.
Manor House? Squire House?
Quote from: Takiro on June 20, 2009, 02:34:49 AM
I'm really liking the privatized schooling option for the FWLM. Additional hooks I've thought of, SAFE might have a great interest in these "dark" or lesser known schools. Good for plucking black ops guys with little background. Could this have served Marik well during the Hidden Wars? A supply of lesser known but highly skilled individuals might serve them well. Could this have had its drawbacks? Armed rebels the cause of frequent rebellions inside the League and possibly out?? Could it be a leading producer of mercs, at least of the old school vein (pre-SLDF and RWR, see Mercenary Guild)? Need a good corporate sounding name.
Nice idea but I would feel safer for the League if they were independent but followed the same formation guide.
Condottiere Schools?
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Takiro
Quote from: Ice Hellion on June 20, 2009, 03:54:54 PM
Icarus School? A reference to the figure of Greek Mythology and to the real Hellenic Air Force Academy.
Ice you started me thinking on the established military academies of the Free Worlds League. Now Allison doesn't right to me either. It also sounds like a product of the Succession War. After all the family died during that conflict. Perhaps it was also renamed during the conflict like LMS. Thoughts??
Quote from: Ice Hellion on June 20, 2009, 03:54:54 PM
Nice idea but I would feel safer for the League if they were independent but followed the same formation guide. Condottiere Schools?
Thanks for the suggestion Ice, was working on this all day. What do you think?
Private Military Academies
These independent institutions, which are not administered by any public agency of the Free Worlds League, educate individuals who have enough money to pay their tuition. While this maybe a bit of an oversimplification it is close to the truth. Of course, each academy has its own standards for acceptance which vary wildly based on the quality of services provided. The better the training or the less questions potential applicants want to answer the higher the fees.
PMAs incorporate the liaise-faire philosophy of the Free Worlds League at its very best, and as some critics would say its very worst. There is no discrimination at these facilities whose only prerequisite is having enough money to pay tuition. Having political connections, official standing, or any kind of influence really doesn’t matter here. Even physical disabilities can be overlooked for the right price.
The citizenry of the Free Worlds take a great deal of pride in these institutions as they help maintain their liberty and contribute to their basic rights like self defense. Even with trained rebels the cause of frequent rebellions inside the League no freedom loving individual would suggest shutting them down. The Periphery Uprising and the revelation that some participants may have been trained at PMAs has caused more introspection then previous revolutions.
Long accused of being the cat’s paw of House Marik these facilities may have connections going as far back to the privateers who prowled early League space. More recent connections during the Hidden Wars to the mercenary community and some rebel groups have drawn criticism. This comes mainly from foreign powers concerned with these martial academies who seem to produce chaotic warriors at best.
SAFE has also been accused of having a great interest in these "dark" academies. Many accuse them of plucking black ops guys with little background from these facilities. A supply of lesser known but highly skilled individuals might serve them well but there is no tangible evidence linking the covert agency to any of these facilities.
They can be found wherever profitability can be attained, except for Atreus. The federal government long ago decided to distant itself from these facilities. Aside from some basic regulation to insure safety Parliament has steered clear of the PMAs. The Free Worlds League is happy to see a return in skilled personnel who might have fallen through the cracks while corporate types could find a source of qualified security personnel.
The diversity of these facilities matches that of the Free Worlds League itself. PMAs use a variety of proven as well as unorthodox methods to evaluate and train personnel. Some notable academies include the Marik family’s which is maintained by the League’s principal household. This exclusive school which may have been the first of its kind is credited with the education of many Captain-Generals. While Irian features a corporate style academy geared at staffing company positions. Kyeinnisan serves as a mercenary training center as well as the keeper of old school merc traditions.
An excellent secondary method of military education as long as the money keeps flowing. It enables the League to find the best possible warriors for military and private service regardless of qualifications. The recent economic decline has caused some of these Private Military Academies to close due to lack of funding. Some predict that the fall of the Star League may endanger the PMAs which have become depend upon the prosperity of the Human Sphere for their continued survival.
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Quote from: Takiro on June 21, 2009, 12:34:58 AM
Ice you started me thinking on the established military academies of the Free Worlds League. Now Allison doesn't right to me either. It also sounds like a product of the Succession War. After all the family died during that conflict. Perhaps it was also renamed during the conflict like LMS. Thoughts??
From FM:FWL p. 30- LMS has trained Fighter Pilots, Dropship & Jumpship Crews for "nearly 500 years"- but it's founding around 2559- maybe it was founded around say 2575 - to train soldiers for the RW. The text also refers to LMS as "the insititute" so maybe it was simply known as the Naval Institute before it was renamed. What's this have to do with Allison- given the rivalry between the 2 schools, I suspect they were founded around the same time - and since we now have a rough founding date for LMS, we can guestimate one for Allison.
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Takiro
The academies founding dates I have no problem with Irose what I'm speaking to is their current names. You bought up the fact that LMS was a Succession War era figure and the Aerospace School was likely renamed after his death in 2889. Well Ice's statement today got me thinking of the Allison family. They are right up there with the Marik's as original founders of the FWL, their importance can't be dismissed. The death of what had become a Mechwarrior family, the rulers of Oriente, was indeed a pivotal moment for the League. Might they have renamed their premier military academy after the fallen Allison clan? 2845 - Harlan Allison the last of his line died at the Sixth Battle of New Delos.
What I'm saying is both facilities had different names when the Succession War began. The original names were likely generic in nature; i.e. for their region or realm. I like where you are starting with the Naval Institute but I'd give it something more. Perhaps League Naval Institute? What would you suggest for the Mechwarrior Academy? Or do you have a problem with my period research??
Still searching for an Abbey school name although Ice's suggestion has got the juices following.
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I have no problem with the name Allison Mechwarrior Institute as it is not named after a specific Allison. The only strange part is that New Olympia is in the Marik Commonwealth- if you want to change the name that's fine with me- I don't really care that much either way.
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Takiro
I just think it makes since according to the historical record. The Allisons were founding members of the FWL along with the Mariks and Selajs. Their death in combat would be worthy of remembrance by the Mariks the only remaining founding family. And yes, New Olympia is in Marik space but the facility in question is a Federal (League wide) institution. Why else would you name the premier academy after the Allison family before their death in 2845. Is my reasoning off here??
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FirstStarLord
Quote from: Takiro on June 20, 2009, 02:34:49 AM
Orloff Military Academy – OMA (Vanra)
Vanra was still a part of the Capellan Confederation during the Star League, and was conquered by the Free Worlds League during the 1st SW. Orloff only had two worlds in 2785: Kievanur and Semenyih.
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Takiro
For canon you are correct FirstStarLord. On the whole we agree with much of the map work done by Oystein but we did modify the maps to suit our vision of the BT universe. If I remember correctly it didn't make sense to us for Orloff to gain its independence from Oriente without its major worlds. So we gave them Varna and Carbonis I believe. There are other map contradictions between BTSD and CBT like the entire Kurita-Davion border for example. Again our research came to different conclusions then the canon PTB so we changed it.
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FirstStarLord
Okay, I was not aware of that. I found it a little strange myself that a tiny two world province could became a major source of troops for the FWLM, so your views have merit.
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Takiro
Yeah it was strange to use as well. I have to do more work and reasoning for another revision to our existing Fanmap which I'm sad to say is still not perfected. Alot was glossed over by TPTB to say the least.
How does the Temple of Martial Disciplines strike you for Abbey's military academy? Tried to work in the Temple angle somehow to account for the name Templars.
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Hessian
Quote from: Takiro on June 21, 2009, 04:18:59 AM
How does the Temple of Martial Disciplines strike you for Abbey's military academy? Tried to work in the Temple angle somehow to account for the name Templars.
Sounds good to me and indeed conveys the temple angle.
Ciao
Hessian
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Takiro
Okay we've got 13 different academies set for the FWLM circa 2785. The following 11 are all set;
Aitutaki Academy (Regulas)
Athene Combat School – ACS (Atreus)
Atreus Officer Training College (Atreus)
Bolan Military Academy (Bolan)
Humphreys Training Academy (Kanata)
Kalidasa Defense Academy (Kalidasa)
Kara Harp Okulu (Ayn Tarma)
Princefield Military Academy (Oriente)
Orloff Military Academy – OMA (Vanra)
Temple of Martial Disciplines (Maxwell)
Private Military Academies -PMAs (Various)
Ironically it is the big League Academies that need renaming if you've been following the thread. I've surmised that both institutions were renamed during the Succession War. Building on the fact that Lloyd
Marik-Stanley is a known Succession War era figure and the Aerospace School was likely renamed after his death in 2889, I think the same was done to the Mechwarrior Institute after the Allison family annihilation in 2845.
Allison Mechwarrior Institute - OMI (New Olympia)
Lloyd Marik-Stanley Aerospace School – LMS (New Olympia)
So what I'm saying is both the above facilities had different names in 2785. Fairly generic names could include Free Worlds League, Federal, Olympia, the actual planetary location of the academies (i'll look that up in HMSB). Irose found indications that LMS was called the Institute as well (FM FWL) and I'd like to go with Naval over aerospace especially given the time period. Thoughts?
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Quote from: Takiro on June 21, 2009, 04:00:41 AM
For canon you are correct FirstStarLord. On the whole we agree with much of the map work done by Oystein but we did modify the maps to suit our vision of the BT universe. If I remember correctly it didn't make sense to us for Orloff to gain its independence from Oriente without its major worlds. So we gave them Varna and Carbonis I believe.
The long and short of it is that in the House Liao SB there is a solitary throwaway mentions of the FWL capturing Vanra during the early years of the 1st SW. But when you look at everything else about Orloff-that it has long been the homeworld of the Orloff familty, the description in HB:FWL which implies that Vanra was part of Oriente when the Orloffs invoked Camlann V. FWL and broke away, and other bits it made more sense to have Vanra as part of the FWL at the time of the 1st SW. While I prefer to avoid changing things from Canon- in this case it made more sense to ignore a throwaway line in the House Liao book (the line was "Marik Militia Regiments backed by Smithson's Chinese Bandits, handed Lady Barbara a string of stunning defeats as they successively occupied El Giza, Mosiro, Vanra & Carbonis" p. 47), rather then come up with a convoluted answer to explain the contradictions in half a dozen different sources.
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Rainbow 6
How about for the federal academies:-
Free Worlds MechWarrior Institute
Free Worlds AeroSpace & Naval Institute.
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Ice Hellion
Or just Federal ... Academy.
Quote from: Takiro on June 21, 2009, 12:34:58 AM
Ib]Private Military Academies[/b]
PMAs incorporate the liaise-faire philosophy of the Free Worlds League at its very best, and as some critics would say its very worst.
I guess you meant laissez-faire Roll Eyes
Quote from: Takiro on June 21, 2009, 12:34:58 AM
The federal government long ago decided to distant itself from these facilities. Aside from some basic regulation to insure safety Parliament has steered clear of the PMAs.
Perhaps a little more control is necessary, otherwise you might have rebels all over the place.
What about a "high" fee for having the right to be open?
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Takiro
Yeah still trying to decide on the Free Worlds League Institutes Huh
Quote from: Ice Hellion on June 21, 2009, 04:45:00 PM
I guess you meant laissez-faire Roll Eyes
In response to that let me again paraphrase Frank Drebin "Unfortunately I don't speak French, but I do kiss that way." Tongue
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Takiro
Quote from: Takiro on June 21, 2009, 08:12:49 PM
Yeah still trying to decide on the Free Worlds League Institutes Huh
Little more research leads me to propose three possible solutions in addition to what is already out there.
1. Geographic
Allison – outside the city of Darienbad
LMS – in the New Greenland Mountains
2. Historic
After the fall of the Terran Alliance, the population formed three republics, Olympica, Kasnov, and New Greenland, which immediately went to war with each other. In 2265, the latter two accepted Alonzo Marik's proposal to join the fledgling Marik Commonwealth. The ruling D'Andre family of Olympica, however, declined the Marik's overtures. With the aid of a naval contingent from Regulus (which was contending with the Marik's over spheres of influence), Olympica managed to secure recognition as an independent state - a status it retains to this day.
3. Merger
Interesting if they are both named Institute could there have been only one administrative facility at this time?
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Takiro
So how about the Darienbad MechWarrior Institute and the New Greenland Naval Institute? Either that or we do a Free Worlds / League / (New) Olympia(n) / Federal theme in front of these. So fill in the blank with your favorite I say! Grin
_________ MechWarrior Institute
_________ Naval Institute
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Hessian
Quote from: Takiro on June 22, 2009, 01:19:42 AM
3. Merger
Interesting if they are both named Institute could there have been only one administrative facility at this time?
Quote from: Takiro on June 22, 2009, 03:46:05 PM
So how about the Darienbad MechWarrior Institute and the New Greenland Naval Institute? Either that or we do a Free Worlds / League / (New) Olympia(n) / Federal theme in front of these. So fill in the blank with your favorite I say! Grin
_________ MechWarrior Institute
_________ Naval Institute
Well, if i recall correctly, the FWL tends to prefer the Free Worlds part over the League part when naming its institutions(e.g. the Free Worlds Technical Institute, Free Worlds Guards, Free Worlds Legionnaires...), so for me Free Worlds (MechWarrior/Naval) Institute sounds good.
But since both are located on New Olympia I can easily imagine a single, unified Free Worlds Military Institute(with two campuses, one specializing in training MechWarriors, the other in training Naval Personnel) just as Takiro suggested in his earlier post, partially quoted above.
Such a single, unified Institute is in my opinion very plausible.
Just my two € cents...
Ciao
Hessian
This is a
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Takiro
I'm leaning that way Hessian. Free Worlds Military Institute on New Olympia with two campus at Darienbad and New Greenland.
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Rainbow 6
With each campus being re-named and made a seperate entity after the deaths of two of the Leagues hero's.
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Takiro
Correct, it is also a gesture to the different era of warfare. Naval combat is disappearing, aerospace in control there but the Mech becomes the King of Kings. It was already big before but the decline really changes things.
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Takiro
Alright folks I think we are all set with the military academies of the Free Worlds League. We’ve got a total of 11 major institutions (one more than the AFFS 2785) spread throughout Marik space. Three (Athene Combat School, Atreus Officer Training College, and Free Worlds Military Institute) are federal academies while the other eight are provincial and interestingly enough not Marik. This really helps establish the balkanized nation that is the League and its unique regional identities.
MILITARY ACADEMIES
Aitutaki Academy (Regulas)
Athene Combat School – ACS (Atreus)
Atreus Officer Training College (Atreus)
Bolan Military Academy (Bolan)
Free Worlds Military Institute – FMWI (New Olympia)
Humphreys Training Academy (Kanata)
Kalidasa Defense Academy (Kalidasa)
Kara Harp Okulu (Ayn Tarma)
Princefield Military Academy (Oriente)
Orloff Military Academy – OMA (Vanra)
Temple of Martial Disciplines (Maxwell)
Been having some second thoughts on the Graham-Marik force. Originally I called them the Graham Grenadiers after a non canon unit Bradshaw came up with many moons ago. Then the Grenzer name came to light and I changed it to avoid name doubling within the FWLM. However this doesn't seem like a big deal to me especially with what we've come up with and I'd like to go back to the Grenadiers. Plus I'd like to save the Grenzers for a future federal unit. What do you think? Grenadiers or Grenzers?
Any other unresolved issues or should I wrap up the FWLM overview?
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Rainbow 6
I'd say go with Grenadiers, other than that i think the jobs done, time to move onto the LCAF.
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Takiro
Ok, so we've got a vote for Grenadiers over Grenzers but I want to ask one more question while I'm at it.
What do you see the role of the Atrean Dragoons in the FWLM? As far as I can tell it has never been spelled out. They are a fairly large contingent and they obviously have some purpose. But what is it??
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Rainbow 6
I kinda figured the Atrean Dragoons were the federal spearhead units for offensive actions or major defensive actions as they all seem to be Heavy Regiments and i can see the FWLM using them as cornerstone formations to stiffen the resolve of provincial units.
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: Takiro on June 21, 2009, 08:12:49 PM
In response to that let me again paraphrase Frank Drebin "Unfortunately I don't speak French, but I do kiss that way." Tongue
Just trying to help you correcting small things.
Quote from: Takiro on June 24, 2009, 01:11:19 AM
Grenadiers or Grenzers?
Grenadiers.
Grenzers would be better for borderer units.
Quote from: Rainbow 6 on June 24, 2009, 03:40:42 PM
I kinda figured the Atrean Dragoons were the federal spearhead units for offensive actions or major defensive actions as they all seem to be Heavy Regiments and i can see the FWLM using them as cornerstone formations to stiffen the resolve of provincial units.
True but you could also make them an unit made for blooding the best troopers fresh out of the academies as according to FM: FWL (p.49), they are authorised to take the best graduates but those do not stay long (less than 5 years) because the tradition-bounded internal structure of the Dragoons do not favour newcomers.
The LCCC is said to allow this tradition to go on as it provides a flow of well-trained and loyal 'MechWarriors to the other units.
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Rainbow 6
Quote from: Ice Hellion on June 24, 2009, 07:12:10 PM
Just trying to help you correcting small things.
Grenadiers.
Grenzers would be better for borderer units.
True but you could also make them an unit made for blooding the best troopers fresh out of the academies as according to FM: FWL (p.49), they are authorised to take the best graduates but those do not stay long (less than 5 years) because the tradition-bounded internal structure of the Dragoons do not favour newcomers.
The LCCC is said to allow this tradition to go on as it provides a flow of well-trained and loyal 'MechWarriors to the other units.
True but most academy graduates in 3058 go into the Marik Milita, in 2785 i can see the best federal academy graduates going into the Atrean Dragoons whilst the rest go into the Marik Milita and the Provincial academy graduates will go into their regional formations.
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Takiro
Quote from: Rainbow 6 on June 24, 2009, 08:46:34 PM
True but most academy graduates in 3058 go into the Marik Milita, in 2785 i can see the best federal academy graduates going into the Atrean Dragoons whilst the rest go into the Marik Milita and the Provincial academy graduates will go into their regional formations.
Hmm, still working on the Dragoons identity. I'm leaning towards the hammers of the FWL who regularly spearhead operations.
How is this for a couple of unit summaries for the overview;
Provincial Guards (7 regiments)
Overview: While technically a provincial formation it is accurate to say that the Guard is a tool of the Captain-General. Built around the ancient Marik Guard this collection of troops from worlds all around the League is tied closely to the ruling house. The parent formation came into being when expatriates from Denebola formed the Iron Guards. The Provincial Guards regional associations play into their loyalty to the Eagle whose help is essential to the Guards existence. After the fall of the Selaj clan the FWLM gradually expanded this contingent with new units from the Regulan splinter states. All units are very loyal to Marik, frequently volunteer to work with the LCCC, and often train with the Marik Guard.
Inspiration: Using the canon Marik Guard and Iron Guard I created this formation
Child Units: Marik Guard (Marik Commonwealth), Iron Guard (Denebola expatriates), Stimson Guard (Regulan Free States), Principality Guard (Gibson), Commonalty Guard (Rim Commonalty), Irian Guard (Irian), Montcalm Guard (Kendall)
Kalidasan Regulars (3 regiments)
Overview: The Silver Hawks of Kalidasa have long been a stalwart contingent of the FWLM. The Duchy’s Regulars have participated in many campaigns throughout the military history of the League often facing down their cross border foes, the Lyran Commonwealth. Their fortunes have recently waned since backing the wrong Marik in the Civil War. Despite public reconciliation between Kalidasa and the ruling House distrust still lingers on both sides. As a result the Province and its troops have never really recovered their pre-war strength. Even after fifty years the Regulars have only rebuilt three of their five BattleMech regiments.
Inspiration: BTSD formation that are the forerunners of the Silver Hawk Irregulars.
Child Units: 1st Kalidasan Regulars, 4th Kalidasan Regulars, 5th Kalidasan Regulars
Gonna post up a few ideas for military Awards and Decorations around the Human Sphere tomorrow.
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: Takiro on June 25, 2009, 03:03:47 AM
Provincial Guards (7 regiments)
Overview: While technically a provincial formation it is accurate to say that the Guard is a tool of the Captain-General. Built around the ancient Marik Guard this collection of troops from worlds all around the League is tied closely to the ruling house. The parent formation came into being when expatriates from Denebola formed the Iron Guards. The Provincial Guards regional associations play into their loyalty to the Eagle whose help is essential to the Guards existence. After the fall of the Selaj clan the FWLM gradually expanded this contingent with new units from the Regulan splinter states. All units are very loyal to Marik, frequently volunteer to work with the LCCC, and often train with the Marik Guard.
Inspiration: Using the canon Marik Guard and Iron Guard I created this formation
Child Units: Marik Guard (Marik Commonwealth), Iron Guard (Denebola expatriates), Stimson Guard (Regulan Free States), Principality Guard (Gibson), Commonalty Guard (Rim Commonalty), Irian Guard (Irian), Montcalm Guard (Kendall)
Nice but are they Provincial or Federal units?
And how are the Provinces reacting to this?
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Takiro
Quote from: Ice Hellion on June 25, 2009, 06:02:36 PM
Nice but are they Provincial or Federal units?
And how are the Provinces reacting to this?
Provincial as a Guard regiment is assembled by their individual state
Probably not well, nobody likes a kiss arse. Wink
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Takiro
Alright gang I'm still compiling data on the FWLM overview. What do you think of these logos for some of our new Marik units??
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Rainbow 6
Very nice, looking forward to seeing the Olympian Hoplites.
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Takiro
Six, any ideas for the Olympian Hoplite insignia?
And also point of order while going over Federal forces I discovered two things. One, it seems jurisdiction seems the key distinction between Federal and Provincial forces. League forces are those units that report directly to the Captain-General or the LCCC. I thought that funding, supply and personnel determined that distinction then jurisdiction followed as a natural conclusion to those factors.
Two, is this line "Traditionally, League troops comprise the largest part of the Free Worlds League´s military forces." Right now we have 59 Federal regiments and 70 Provincial regiments which would not match the above line.
Both of these revelations throw doubt on the status of the Abbey Templars and the Provincial Guards which could easily be considered Federal rather than Provincial. That would also create a 10 regiment shift making Federal forces greater then Provincial.
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Rainbow 6
How about a shield and spear design?
The Guards and Templars becoming Federal regiments would make sense as the Guard regiments that aren't destroyed in the succession wars could become Provincial after the meta brigade is disbanded and if the Abbey District is under the control of a military commander it would make sense for him and his units to report to the LCCC directly.
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FirstStarLord
I would not worry too much about the Provinical Forces outnumbering their Federal counterparts. "Traditionally" does not mean "always" and the military build-up during the late Star League period would be one period where this could easily apply. It would be very easy for the League and the Captain-General getting around military force restrictions by simply having them built by the provinces rather under the authority of the LCCC. After all, Oriente is one of the Marik's greatest allies, and they have a battlemech force far out of proportion to the other provinces. Clearly a lot of internal politics is at play here.
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Takiro
Quote from: Rainbow 6 on June 27, 2009, 07:14:07 PM
How about a shield and spear design?
How is this Six?
Actually Oriente and Marik are not political allies at this time. In fact Oriente is part of the opposition. Regulas is actually a close friend of the Captain-General. Don't worry though Andurien is still part of the opposition.
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Rainbow 6
Works for me Grin
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Takiro
I changed a tad bit to a yellow shield. Hoping to finish up tonight on the summary.
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Rainbow 6
Yeah, the yellow works better with the purple.
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Takiro
Here is some more summary notes and I think you'll see a few new additions. Tell me what you think.
Federal Troops (69 regiments)
Free Worlds Guards (6 regiments)
Overview: The Free Worlds Guards are the crème de la crème of the FWLM. Their history dates back to 2426 when the first such Guard regiment was assembled as a tank unit. Zealously devoted to the League these elite soldiers compose the heart of their nation’s defense. These units fell under the exclusive command of the Captain-General after the passage of Resolution 288. This controversial act has caused some turmoil even inside this fanatical unit which contains its share of freedom loving idealists. Granted the number of true dissidents here is minimal but a majority of the Guard comes from a different mindset. Their regard for the nation is paramount not Marik’s potential claim to the First Lordship. Kenyon Marik has begun taking steps to insure the Guards personal loyalty to the leader of the Free Worlds above all.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Free Worlds Guards, 2nd Free Worlds Guards, 3rd Free Worlds Guards, 4th Free Worlds Guards, 5th Free Worlds Guards, 6th Free Worlds Guards
Atrean Dragoons (14 regiments)
Overview: The standing of the Atrean Dragoons is second only to that of the Free Worlds Guards. Formed during the late twenty fifth century these units are the spearhead of the FWLM and can be found participating in almost every major military operation. From offensive to defensive actions these heavy regiment are cornerstone formations whose presence stiffens the resolve of lesser commands. They are a proud tradition bound group who do not favor newcomers. The Dragoons are also struggling with their loyalty to the League as some see the Captain General as a tyrant.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Atrean Dragoons, 2nd Atrean Dragoons, 3rd Atrean Dragoons, 4th Atrean Dragoons, 5th Atrean Dragoons, 6th Atrean Dragoons, 7th Atrean Dragoons, 8th Atrean Dragoons, 9th Atrean Dragoons, 10th Atrean Dragoons, 11th Atrean Dragoons,
12th Atrean Dragoons, 13th Atrean Dragoons, 14th Atrean Dragoons
Marik Militia (28 regiments)
Overview: Some names can be very misleading as it is with the Marik Militia. The largest body of the FWLM is very much a line force despite its moniker. With a history dating back to the first days of the Republic of Marik the Militia’s role has been constantly evolving. The contingent has seen service with the Marik Commonwealth, as Provincial Force in the early FWLM, it made the transition from an armored unit to a BattleMech force, and participated in countless battles in dozens of wars along the way. It wasn’t until the formation of the Star League that its current role as the main part of the FWLM Federal Forces was formalized.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Marik Militia, 2nd Marik Militia, 3rd Marik Militia, 4th Marik Militia, 5th Marik Militia, 6th Marik Militia, 7th Marik Militia, 8th Marik Militia, 9th Marik Militia, 10th Marik Militia, 11th Marik Militia, 12th Marik Militia, 13th Marik Militia, 14th Marik Militia, 15th Marik Militia, 16th Marik Militia, 17th Marik Militia, 18th Marik Militia, 19th Marik Militia, 20th Marik Militia, 21st Marik Militia, 22nd Marik Militia, 23rd Marik Militia, 24th Marik Militia, 25th Marik Militia, 26th Marik Militia, 27th Marik Militia, 28th Marik Militia
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Hessian
Quote from: Takiro on June 26, 2009, 08:08:25 PM
Alright gang I'm still compiling data on the FWLM overview. What do you think of these logos for some of our new Marik units??
Indeed very nice!
I especially like the Abbey Templars and Graham Grenadiers logos!
Did you draw them yourself Takiro?
Ciao
Hessian
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: Takiro on June 27, 2009, 06:35:40 PM
One, it seems jurisdiction seems the key distinction between Federal and Provincial forces. League forces are those units that report directly to the Captain-General or the LCCC. I thought that funding, supply and personnel determined that distinction then jurisdiction followed as a natural conclusion to those factors.
Hence my question. Grin
Quote from: Takiro on June 28, 2009, 01:21:48 PM
I changed a tad bit to a yellow shield. Hoping to finish up tonight on the summary.
Could you make the yellow become copper?
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Takiro
Hopefully we can get DoT to work on them and clean them up. I did the Olympian Hoplites (cut and paste a few different things, Ice I will see again if DoT can copperize it), the Abbey Templars (cut and paste) and the Bolan Scouts (cleaned up the real world logo of that unit). Bradshaw did the Graham Grenadiers awhile ago. Also Miss Kotare did this symbol for her Tarmanid Sultanate and Bradshaw did this one for the Duchy of Graham-Marik. I don't think Miss K did one for the Janissaries.
Yeah I guess I should have done more research on it. Got side tracked on something else today, want to finish the FWLM overview. Here is a little more;
Free Worlds League Military
129 BattleMech Regiments (as of 2785)
The FWLM is the third largest InnerSphere military with 129 line BattleMech regiments under arms. The impact of the Marik Civil War (2729-2734) only fifty years ago can still be felt. An arms race between Federal authorities and the Provinces which mirrored the SLDFs struggle to remain ahead of the Great Houses. The recent attack on Bolan and the passage of Resolution 288 should not be overlooked.
Federal Troops (69 regiments)
Forces under the direct authority of the Captain-General or the League as a whole are considered Federal Troops. These units which make up the largest part of the FWLM are funded and supplied by the LCCC or Central Command.
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Takiro
Here is more;
Olympian Hoplites (4 regiments)
Overview: The FWLM has a long tradition of innovative training methods that is often overlooked by many outsiders. The apex of these special instructional efforts may just be the Olympian Hoplites. The Hoplites were formed after the Arms Amendment of 2752 which allowed for the expansion of the FWLM. Based near the Free Worlds Military Institute on the planet of New Olympia the unit was originally an academy project that grew into its current form. The basic structure of the Hoplites is modeled after the Star League Regimental Combat Teams. Copied for the express purpose of conducting combat exercises with their fellow League forces this OpFor (Opposing Force) provides advanced tactical and strategic training for the FWLM. The Hoplites frequently trained with SLDF and other favored House units during the Star League era. Their four regiments span the entire strata of Mech classes (Assault, Heavy, Medium, Light). The Hoplites also deploy the appropriate number of supporting conventional forces (armor and infantry) and are adept combined arms unit. As a teaching formation they wanted the widest variety of equipment to train others with. They also embrace the newest technologies and military innovations. However this all presents a massive maintenance challenge.
Inspiration: BTSD creation founded on the basis of other Great House militaries
Child Units: 1st Olympian Hoplites, 2nd Olympian Hoplites, 3rd Olympian Hoplites, 4th Olympian Hoplites
League Regulars (7 regiments)
Overview: Free Worlds League natives serving with the SLDF returned home after the collapse of the Star League. These returning nationals were greeted as heroes and organized into a single contingent by the Captain-General that would best make use of their skills. This was a clever political move putting all these Leaguers together and avoiding their dispersal throughout Provincial forces. Elements of five divisions as well some loyalist regiments were lumped together to form seven full BattleMech regiments. Instead of being pleased by this development League officials have taken caution when dealing with this unit. This apparently stems somewhat from Kenyon Marik’s attitude torwards the SLDF. SAFE maintains a constant watch over its personnel for signs of disloyalty.
Inspiration: BTSD creation based on disbanded SLDF units that joined the FWL. 5th Mechanized Infantry Division, 63rd Mechanized Infantry Division, 166th Mechanized Infantry Division (Red Diamond Division), 189th Jump Infantry Division (The New Orleans Division), 209th Mechanized Infantry Division, and don’t forget Loyalists.
Child Units: 1st League Regulars, 2nd League Regulars, 3rd League Regulars, 4th League Regulars, 5th League Regulars, 6th League Regulars, 7th League Regulars
Provincial Guards (7 regiments)
Overview: While nominally a provincial formation it is accurate to say that the Guard is a tool of the Captain-General and as such are considered a Federal force. Built around the ancient Marik Guard this collection of troops from worlds all around the League is tied closely to the ruling house. The parent formation came into being when expatriates from Denebola formed the Iron Guards. The Provincial Guards regional associations play into their loyalty to the Eagle whose help is essential to the Guards existence. After the fall of the Selaj clan the FWLM gradually expanded this contingent with new units from the Regulan splinter states. All units are very loyal to Marik, frequently volunteer to work with the LCCC, and often train with the Marik Guard. Many Marik critics especially from more “independent†Provinces deride the Guard as a bunch of kiss asses.
Inspiration: Using the canon Marik Guard and Iron Guard I created this formation
Child Units: Marik Guard (Marik Commonwealth), Iron Guard (Denebola expatriates), Stimson Guard (Regulan Free States), Principality Guard (Gibson), Commonalty Guard (Rim Commonalty), Irian Guard (Irian), Montcalm Guard (Kendall)
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Takiro
Okay last Federal force, enjoy!
Abbey Templars (3 regiments)
Overview: Another newcomer to the FWLM, the origins of the Abbey Templars and their District date back to the Marik Civil War. The planets that would one day compose the District joined the Free Worlds League proudly as independent star systems. Horrified by the purges of Captain-General Elise Marik they became ardent supporters of Oliver the Usurper. The one of the only exceptions was the Abbey of Maxwell who refused to be caught up in the Civil War. Instead the Abbot urged the people to maintain their faith in the rightful ruler of the Free Worlds. This act which was very unpopular eventually ended in the destruction of the Abbey and sparked a counter uprising by a small group named the Templars. Along with the Loyalist forces led by Bertram Marik they subdued the rebels. The Treaty of Verona formally consolidated these worlds as the Abbey District and placed this new province under military authority. The Templars were also knighted by the Captain-General in 2734 and enshrined as a new Federal unit of the FWLM. Rewarding the few loyal natives of a previously disloyal region was an obvious public relations ploy but one that would pay huge dividends. The Abbey Templars strove to prove themselves as heroes of the League and exemplars for the populace to follow. Their Periphery Quests which established new trade routes and bought justice to the frontiers was wildly successful both politically and economically. Not only did they inspire the people of Abbey with their exploits but their fame eventually captured the imagination of the entire Free Worlds. The Templars were expanded by House Marik to three full Mech regiments after the Arms Control Amendment of 2752. However there is a dark side to these white knights. Support of the Captain-General means support of his policies like the passage and enactment of that free trade act with the Periphery that ends up doing untold harm. Outside the Free Worlds League the Templars have become a symbol of greed or even worse the enforcers of unfair "trade" with the Periphery. Several original Templars and disillusioned ex-recruits have spoken out against their formerly noble organization. Unfortunately things don’t seem to be getting any better as stories of people with enough pull or wealth obtaining rapid and possible unwarranted promotions are leaking out. However they are extremely "successful" (money wise anyway that is their primary motivation) and the Templars still have their untarnished aura to House Marik’s faithful.
Inspiration: BTSD formation based on the canon Abbey District, possible forerunners of the Knights of the InnerSphere
Child Units: 1st Abbey Templars, 2nd Abbey Templars, 3rd Abbey Templars
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Regulan Hussars (9 regiments)
Overview: The traditional forces of the Principality of Regulas have been restored after treachery of the Selaj family. Defeated by a vengeful Marik Militia during the battles of Hellos Minor and Harmony in 2679-2680 the Hussars underwent a full scale overhaul under the auspices of House Schenk. These stewards appointed by Captain-General Gerald Marik oversaw the reformation of the Hussars under federal authority. Despite being outmanned during the Marik Civil War the Schenk led Hussars fought well and redeemed themselves. House Marik supported the expansion of the Regulan Hussars after the Arms Amendment of 2752 to their current size of nine regiments. Despite the Schenk’s excellent service to the Mariks or maybe becaue of it the internal politics of the League demanded Regulan independence be restored under a native ruler. Recently Parliament elevated the Cameron-Jones family, distantly related to the line of First Lords, to the Principality. Understandably this act has caused some tension between the two families as the Schenk’s remain the commanders of the Regulan Hussars. Both clans are extremely loyal to House Marik and strive to see the Star League restored under their aegis.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Regulan Hussars, 2nd Regulan Hussars, 3rd Regulan Hussars, 4th Regulan Hussars, 5th Regulan Hussars, 6th Regulan Hussars, 7th Regulan Hussars, 8th Regulan Hussars, 9th Regulan Hussars
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Takiro
Here is the Oriente bloc, I added a sentence in the Orloff Gs that I found in HMSB which refers to the Duke of Carbonis backing Oliver the Usurper during the Marik Civil War.
Provincial Forces (60 regiments)
Forces answering to the individual member states of the Free Worlds League are considered Provincial troops. The composition of these contingents varies wildly but only ten of these formations can truly be considered line forces. While some see these forces as a proud reminder of the League’s independent nature others view them as a constant threat to the nation’s unity. Funded and supplied by their respective Provinces these troops coordinate their activities with the LCCC but normally fall outside their direct command. Resolution 288 has given the Captain-General emergency powers over all League forces which includes the Provincials.
Fusiliers of Oriente (5 regiments)
Overview: The elite troops of the Federation of Oriente were created in 2485 and proudly serve their native state as well as the League as a whole. The last expansion of the Fusiliers occurred in 2581 when the Third and Fourth Brigades were founded for participation in the Reunification War. They sided with the rebels during the Marik Civil War and despite more recent tension with Kenyon Marik the Fusiliers remain valued members of the FWLM.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: Ducal Guard, 1st Brigade, 2nd Brigade, 3rd Brigade, 4th Brigade
Oriente Hussars (11 regiments)
Overview: Despite having a long and distinguished history that nearly matches the Fusiliers, the Hussars are widely considered second class soldiers of the Federation of Oriente. It was the Hussars who took the hit for siding with Oliver the Usurper during the Civil War. Their reputation in the FWLM further deteriorated as they were expanded after the Arms Amendment of 2752. As a result they are poorly regarded by many federal authorities despite possessing a fairly notable track record.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Oriente Hussars, 2nd Oriente Hussars, 3rd Oriente Hussars, 4th Oriente Hussars, 5th Oriente Hussars, 6th Oriente Hussars, 7th Oriente Hussars, 8th Oriente Hussars, 9th Oriente Hussars, 10th Oriente Hussars, 11th Oriente Hussars
Orloff Grenadiers (5 regiments)
Overview: While the Duchy of Orloff proclaimed its independence from Oriente in 2691 relations between the two provinces remain cordial despite Marik efforts to divide them. During the Marik Civil War (2729-2734) the Duke of Carbonis (page 24 HMSB) backed Oliver the Usurper. These proud and highly skilled warriors often try to mediate disputes between the League’s most powerful provinces for the good of the nation as a whole. This stance and their martial prowess have won them respect throughout the Free Worlds.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Orloff Grenadiers, 2nd Orloff Grenadiers, 3rd Orloff Grenadiers, 4th Orloff Grenadiers, 5th Orloff Grenadiers
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Quote from: Takiro on July 01, 2009, 02:19:03 PM
Here is the Oriente bloc, I added a sentence in the Orloff Gs that I found in HMSB which refers to the Duke of Carbonis backing Oliver the Usurper during the Marik Civil War.
This further validates our decision to make Vanra and Carbonis part of the FWL at the start of the 1st SW, rather then part of the CC.
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Takiro
Exactly what I thought.
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: Takiro on June 30, 2009, 07:39:05 PM
The Hoplites frequently trained with SLDF and other favored House units during the Star League era.
If they were formed in 2752, I doubt they had that much time to conduct frequent training exercises with those units.
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Takiro
Well the Uprising really started in 2764 which led to the Coup of course. So that is twelve years of possible training time.
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Quote from: Takiro on July 01, 2009, 07:28:54 PM
Well the Uprising really started in 2764 which led to the Coup of course. So that is twelve years of possible training time.
Actually 2765
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Rainbow 6
13 Years is a lot of training time with the SLDF units based in the League.
Were House units able to take part in the martial olympiads?
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Quote from: Rainbow 6 on July 01, 2009, 08:43:06 PM
Were House units able to take part in the martial olympiads?
They were after 2676 but they routinely lost in the early rounds.
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Rainbow 6
Given the Hoplites adavced training techniques (they did train with the SLDF after all), could we have something in the units fluff saying something along the lines of the unit getting further through the olympiad than any other House unit?
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Takiro
Not sure about that Six but it is an interesting hook. You don't think the Davion Guard, the Free Worlds Guards, the Sword of Light, the Royal Guards, or the Capellan Hussars could have done better?
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Rainbow 6
Well we are playing on the Hoplites training with the SLDF, as they've spent so long training the them i figured that they might have worked out how to beat certain units in the olympiad.
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Ice Hellion
But why would the SLDF train outsiders?
Following the organisation and doctrine is one thing, training with is another one.
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Takiro
Cause they are part of the Star League?
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Rainbow 6
Quote from: Ice Hellion on July 02, 2009, 05:12:21 PM
But why would the SLDF train outsiders?
Following the organisation and doctrine is one thing, training with is another one.
For the same reason the US & British armies train with the georgian or afghan armies.
Because they are allies and train alongside each other to promote the alliance's and the Star League is nothing more than a massive alliance.
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Takiro
How is this?
Bolan Scouts (8 regiments)
Overview: The Bolan Association began as a nine world proto-state originally consisting of Bolan, Valloire, Marsalle, Kamenz, Rochers, Dixie, Ilion, Nockatunga, and Tamarind. This free trade union assembled in the wake of the Outer Reaches Rebellion (2242) allowed its member worlds to survive and indeed thrive in a post Terran Alliance Human Sphere. Its enterprising merchants established many trade routes in the anti-spinward region that were ably protected by the Bolan Association Frontier Force. Their elite force, the Bolan Scouts, dispatched all sorts of bandits including Marik privateers. The Association was outpaced as a political force by the Free Worlds League and the Lyran Commonwealth who threatened to engulf Bolan. Faced with authoritarian Lyran encroachment the Association chose to join the Free Worlds League. Undeterred by this development the Archon founded the Lyran Scout Corps in 2413 which continued expansion around the “Bolan Thumbâ€. In 2427 the Commonwealth conquered Bolan, Kamenz, and Dixie despite heavy resistance. During the Age of War the Association endured significant damage from a series of attacks and counter assaults. The Bolan Scouts came into their modern form as a premier light force armed with BattleMechs. Thanks to the FWLM and the Bolan Scouts most of the Association was liberated from Lyran control by the end of the Age of War. The Association rebuilt as a proud part of the Free Worlds during the Star League era which bought peace and commerce with the Commonwealth. Bolan merchants became renowned for their wealth and opulence throughout Marik space. This prosperity also bought with it growth that swelled the Association to almost two dozen worlds (23) making it the Free Worlds fourth largest province. Not quite as big as the Big Three (Marik, Oriente, and Regulas) but the Association nearly doubled the size of the next biggest province (Andurien, 13). Some accused the Bolan worlds of being more loyal to the Star League than the Free Worlds League. These allegations mainly come from their role in the Marik Civil War where they pressed for Star League mediation. The Association didn’t really chose sides until Bertram loyalists obtained the upper hand. While they are ardent Free Worlders and die hard supporters of the Marik family some think that the Captain-General has it in for them. Whatever the case the Bolan Scouts remain the FWLM premier rapid reaction force responding to Lyran aggression without hesitation. Recently the 1st Bolan Scouts were destroyed by the LCAF invasion of their homeworld. While Bolan backed Kenyon’s Resolution 288 they have been disappointed by the Captain-General’s lack of immediate action.
Inspiration: BTSD formation
Child Units: 2nd Bolan Scouts, 3rd Bolan Scouts, 4th Bolan Scouts, 5th Bolan Scouts, 6th Bolan Scouts, 7th Bolan Scouts, 8th Bolan Scouts, 9th Bolan Scouts
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Hessian
Quote from: Ice Hellion on July 02, 2009, 05:12:21 PM
But why would the SLDF train outsiders?
Following the organisation and doctrine is one thing, training with is another one.
Quote from: Rainbow 6 on July 02, 2009, 07:54:19 PM
Because they are allies and train alongside each other to promote the alliance's and the Star League is nothing more than a massive alliance.
Just like the often quite massive (NATO) training exercises that were conducted annually during the cold war in West Germany. While some of those involved only the Bundeswehr, many more were NATO training exercises.
While growing up I grew accustomed to war games being conducted in the region(s) of Hesse that I live(d). In the case of NATO wargames with sizable numbers of troops and vehicles from several member states being deployed.
I especially remember an exercise where troops from West Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom and the United States participated when I was a young teenager. Several times per day(and night) infantry troops, vehicles and tanks moved through the town and the street I lived.
Nearly 100,000 troops and nearly 5,000 tanks and vehicles participated in this wargame.
And a friend of mine that grew up in Thuringia told me that the Warsaw Pact wargames conducted regularly in the former GDR were often on an even larger scale.
Ciao
Hessian
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Takiro
Hmm, last second worries about the Stewart Dragoons after going over their 3025 HMSB entry. Currently we have them at 5 regiments or approximately 540 BattleMechs. Rereading the entry on page 102 you can see their numbers diminished but below in the Home Guard write up they have the whole Major General issue which would mean command of over one thousand Mechs! Now I've read this before and I'm only slightly unnerved about our current strength as the entry to me still sounds like the rank has nothing to do with the Dragoon history but hey thought I'd mention it.
If we did decide to change this to fit I'd probably up rate the Dragoons to nine regiments (plus an extra battalion floating around in that give you 1,008 Mechs). But I'm not sure I like that. I like the Dragoons but 9 regiments throws the Provincials out of whack. Give it a read and see what you think, thanks guys!
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Rainbow 6
The size the Dragoons are at now (5 regiments) seems right to me.
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Quote from: Takiro on July 03, 2009, 02:18:34 PM
Hmm, last second worries about the Stewart Dragoons after going over their 3025 HMSB entry. Currently we have them at 5 regiments or approximately 540 BattleMechs. Rereading the entry on page 102 you can see their numbers diminished but below in the Home Guard write up they have the whole Major General issue which would mean command of over one thousand Mechs! Now I've read this before and I'm only slightly unnerved about our current strength as the entry to me still sounds like the rank has nothing to do with the Dragoon history but hey thought I'd mention it.
If we did decide to change this to fit I'd probably up rate the Dragoons to nine regiments (plus an extra battalion floating around in that give you 1,008 Mechs). But I'm not sure I like that. I like the Dragoons but 9 regiments throws the Provincials out of whack. Give it a read and see what you think, thanks guys!
FM:FWL p. 98 specifically says the Dragoons were 5 regiments at the start of the SW. I'd ignore the line in HMSB- the Marik Commonwealth/FWL as a whole does not have a Major General Rank- per p.84 Stewart follows the Marik rank structure- variations are possible so Stewart could have a Major General but I would not worry about the line on page 102.
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Takiro
Thanks guys, one more question on the Dragoons. Did you see the final line under their HMSB "Although their numbers have diminished, their courage and pride have grown by leaps and bounds, as if to compensate."
Their skill level in 3025 is Veteran-Regular while they are reliable commands. Does this mean they are worse off in 2785?? That doesn't seem to make all that much sense as the Dragoons are warriors certainly having backed Elise during the Civil War and saw early service in the canon 1st Succession War. What impact would you give that blurb if any?
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Ice Hellion
For the title, it is hereditary, meaning that the Commanding Officer of the Dragoons might have earned it while commanding a special task force (why not during the Civil War?) and for good services, he/she was able to pass the rank to his children and so on.
An increase in courage and pride does not mean that their skills have increased but rather that their behaviour is a bit more kamikaze (I said a bit) and arrogant (we are the Dragoons).
And to get back to the training, I know NATO and Warsaw Pact partly trained the forces of their member states and had exercises with them but you cannot compare NATA/Warsaw Pact and the Star League.
The Successor States are not the best friends of the Star League and the SLDF is at the same time a force to protect the Star League and to keep an eye on the troublesome States.
Fighting alongside the armies of the Successor States is one thing but allowing them to get an improved training they might use against the Star League is another thing.
However, they could be organised as the SLDF units and use the same doctrines (or what is known of it).
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Takiro
Stewart Dragoons (5 regiments)
Overview: The Dragoons Home Guard was founded prior to the Stewart War of 2293 where they unsuccessfully tried to fend off the Free Worlds League. Since that time the forces of the Stewart Commonalty have been strong allies of House Marik. They maintain a proud martial tradition and excel at several different roles. Siding with the Loyalists during the Marik Civil War they helped rescue Captain-General Elise Marik and assured the succession of Bertram. This support won them the gratitude of House Marik which has generously funded the Dragoons. Their close relationship to Corean Enterprises of Stewart has also benefited the Dragoons. As a result the Dragoons are one of the most well supplied Provincial commands. The Juggernaut is an assault unit showcasing Corean’s Goliath ‘Mech, the Swarm is composed of Locusts and other light fast Mechs they attack just like a plague of those insects giving the big slow Lyrans fits, and Steel Rain batters opponents with its Trebuchets and other LRM carriers like the Archer. The Companions were founded after the Arms Amendment of 2752 with aide from the Mariks.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: Home Guard (1st Stewart Dragoons), Juggernaut (2nd Stewart Dragoons), Swarm (3rd Stewart Dragoons), Steel Rain (4th Stewart Dragoons), The Companions (5th Stewart Dragoons)
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Takiro
Defenders of Andurien (6 regiments)
Overview: The Defenders were established in 2514 prior to the start of the Second Andurien War. Proving their worth in battle against the Capellans these units grew in number and prominence. In spite of their skill and sacrifice the Free Worlds League bartered away Andurien and many of its worlds to the Confederation in return for peace. Never happy with the deal that saw much of their homelands turned over to House Liao the forces of this rump Duchy have become increasingly critical of the Mariks. While many pro-Marik officials accuse them of being bitter, House Humpherys continues to stand for liberty in the face of tyranny no matter the internal disputes of the League. Unlike much of the InnerSphere the remnants of the Duchy have spent their years in exile stewing on Kanata and Granera. Andurien back Oliver the Usurper during the Marik Civil War which did not endear it any further to the federal government. The central authorities of the League are constantly aware of this rebellious Province and as such support from outside the Duchy is slow in coming. The Defenders await their eventually return to Andurien and the liberation of all its worlds from the despotic House Liao.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Defenders of Andurien, 2nd Defenders of Andurien, 3rd Defenders of Andurien, 4th Defenders of Andurien, 5th Defenders of Andurien, 6th Defenders of Andurien
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Takiro
Graham Grenadiers (1 regiment)
Overview: The newest Provincial Force of the FWLM has made waves inside the League and out. The Grenadiers are the creation of one of the most ambitious men in the Free Worlds, Duke Simon Graham-Marik. Descended from one of the founding families of the Marik Commonwealth the Graham family is long time allies of the Captain-General. The Dukes of Graham-Marik are distant relations of the ruling line and received their own Province early in the 2400s for loyal service during the 1st Andurien War. This support has continued to modern times as shown by their unconditional backing of Elise Marik during the Civil War. In response to Kenyon Marik’s offer of Terran worlds Simon began a reorganization of his forces with the ultimate goal of conquering Graham IV and expanding his personal empire. Using his fortune the Duke assembled a new force from the Graham-Marik Guard (which had previously been a part of Provincial Guards), the very best of his Duchy’s Planetary Militias, and some new recruits. These new retainers are very skilled but highly have a questionable past to say the least. Sources say that they may even include some alleged war criminals from the Amaris Coup. Regardless of this fact Duke Simon has built himself a four Mech battalion force of superior quality in a short amount of time. In doing so he has angered some within the League and in the fledgling Terran Republic. Far from being dissuaded Simon has committed to further expansion of his new Grenadiers.
Inspiration: BTSD formation established to eventually replace the Sirian Lancers
Child Units: 1st Graham Grenadiers
Only the Tarmanid Sultanate remains, hope I get it right for Miss K. Wink
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Takiro
Gonna try and run this by Miss K but this should be it for the FWLM. Let me know what you think!
Tarmanid Janissaries (6 regiments)
Overview: The origins of the Tarmanid Sultanate and its Janissaries go back to ancient Turkey. As mankind journeyed to the stars many Muslim peoples where forbidden by their faith to undertake such an extraterrestrial trip. The people of secular Turkey were one notable exception to the Islamic ban on space travel. One of the largest Turkish settlements established in the young Human Sphere was Ayn Tarma in 2168. The distant mining colony did well in spite of the increasing tyranny of Terran authorities. Discontent grew until the people of Ayn Tarma had enough and joined the Outer Reaches Rebellion in 2235.
Led by the Damat Naili and his brothers (Darendali and Esad) the Tarmanid people drove out the Alliance. While they were no doubt aided by the remote location of Ayn Tarma the liberation campaign conducted by the Naili family without much of a military to begin with was a stunning success. At fifty four years of age Damat became the first sovereign of the Tarmanid Emirate in 2239. He appointed his brother Darendali, whose administrative skills proved superior, Grand Vizier while his baby brother Esad became the Orgeneral of the Emirate military. Esad oversaw the development of the Tarmanid Sipahi into some of the finest armor regiments in known space. The collapse of the Terran Alliance in 2242 provided the Emir with opportunities for expansion. With a mix of brute force and some harsh diplomacy the Tarmanid spread to Rohinjan, Mauripur, Hindmarsh, and Wilkes.
The Emirate even came into conflict with the Principality of Regulas prior to the Document of Incorporation. While some historians like to compare House Naili to House Kurita at this time the formation of the Free Worlds League in 2271 blocked any further expansion by the Tarmanid. For two hundred years the Emirate remained a fiercely independent nation that remained a thorn in the side of the League, in particular Regulas. Their lightning raids and superior ground troops made this proto-nation a force to be reckoned with. However in 2481 this changed the FWLM led by the Regulan Hussars conquered the Tarmanid thanks to a new super weapon, the BattleMech. The Emirate was absorbed wholesale into the Principality of Regulas who made use of their possession. The Tarmanid Sipahi became supporting forces of the Regulan Hussars creating a truly deadly force. It was in this capacity that the Tarmanid would see action during the Reunification War. However, the insidious Selaj family introduced anarchic communes on Ayn Tarma to dilute the militant Tarmanid populace while publicly endorsing the spread of new freedoms. The merchant Princes of Regulas did such things during the Age of Occupation in order to assimilate the Tarmanid but they did not succeed.
In 2679 the revelation that the Selaj family actually led the brutal terrorist effort known as the Scourge of Death gave the Tarmanid a chance for renewed independence. The Tarmanid Sipahi saw some of the toughest fighting attempting to break free of the Regulan Hussars. It was during this conflict that the Janissaries were first assembled from captured resources of the Principality. The sacrifice of the Tarmanid did not go unnoticed by Captain-General Gerald Marik who proclaimed the birth of the Sultanate in 2680 as a Province of the Free Worlds. They have become valuable allies to House Marik even though some harbor reservations. The Sultanate did eventually back Elise in the Marik Civil War but did not immediately jump into the conflict. The Kapikula Sipahi or secret forces of the Sultan did fight ably in the Hidden Wars but again did so in their self interest.
Inspiration: Miss Kotare’s non-canon Turkish inspired BattleMech forces.
Child Units: Royal Gardeners, 1st Janissaries, 2nd Janissaries, 1st Kapikula Sipahi, 2nd Kapikula Sipahi, 3rd Kapikula Sipahi
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Ice Hellion
Are they combined arms units?
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Takiro
The Hoplites are listed as such. I know Miss K wants the Tarmanid to be but not sure canon wise when the Defenders of Andurien picked up on this. The state of combined arms is an interesting point for the book really. Many Houses organized Mech and other regiments the way they did to save money during the Star League era.
Anyway I was always pondering adding a military academy for the Graham-Mariks? Any thoughts??
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Ice Hellion
Quote from: Takiro on July 05, 2009, 04:07:40 PM
The Hoplites are listed as such. I know Miss K wants the Tarmanid to be but not sure canon wise when the Defenders of Andurien picked up on this?
From their fluff, the Tarmanid look combined-arms oriented.
Quote from: Takiro on July 05, 2009, 04:07:40 PM
Many Houses organized Mech and other regiments the way they did to save money during the Star League era.
I think that apart from a few specific units, most never managed to understand how it works (you know the "I am bigger than you" syndrome.
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Takiro
Ok, gang think this overview is all set added the Graham Mechwarrior Academy as the League's newest. Let me know what you think.
Free Worlds League Military
129 BattleMech Regiments (as of 2785)
The FWLM is the third largest InnerSphere military with 129 line BattleMech regiments under arms. The impact of the Marik Civil War (2729-2734) only fifty years ago can still be felt. An arms race between Federal authorities and the Provinces which mirrored the SLDFs struggle to remain ahead of the Great Houses. The recent attack on Bolan and the passage of Resolution 288 should not be overlooked.
Federal Troops (69 regiments)
Forces under the direct authority of the Captain-General or the League as a whole are considered Federal Troops. These units which make up the largest part of the FWLM are funded and supplied by the LCCC or Central Command.
Free Worlds Guards (6 regiments)
Overview: The Free Worlds Guards are the crème de la crème of the FWLM. Their history dates back to 2426 when the first such Guard regiment was assembled as a tank unit. Zealously devoted to the League these elite soldiers compose the heart of their nation’s defense. These units fell under the exclusive command of the Captain-General after the passage of Resolution 288. This controversial act has caused some turmoil even inside this fanatical unit which contains its share of freedom loving idealists. Granted the number of true dissidents here is minimal but a majority of the Guard comes from a different mindset. Their regard for the nation is paramount not Marik’s potential claim to the First Lordship. Kenyon Marik has begun taking steps to insure the Guards personal loyalty to the leader of the Free Worlds above all.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Free Worlds Guards, 2nd Free Worlds Guards, 3rd Free Worlds Guards, 4th Free Worlds Guards, 5th Free Worlds Guards, 6th Free Worlds Guards
Atrean Dragoons (14 regiments)
Overview: The standing of the Atrean Dragoons is second only to that of the Free Worlds Guards. Formed during the late twenty fifth century these units are the spearhead of the FWLM and can be found participating in almost every major military operation. From offensive to defensive actions these heavy regiment are cornerstone formations whose presence stiffens the resolve of lesser commands. They are a proud tradition bound group who do not favor newcomers. The Dragoons are also struggling with their loyalty to the League as some see the Captain General as a tyrant.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Atrean Dragoons, 2nd Atrean Dragoons, 3rd Atrean Dragoons, 4th Atrean Dragoons, 5th Atrean Dragoons, 6th Atrean Dragoons, 7th Atrean Dragoons, 8th Atrean Dragoons, 9th Atrean Dragoons, 10th Atrean Dragoons, 11th Atrean Dragoons,
12th Atrean Dragoons, 13th Atrean Dragoons, 14th Atrean Dragoons
Marik Militia (28 regiments)
Overview: Some names can be very misleading as it is with the Marik Militia. The largest body of the FWLM is very much a line force despite its moniker. With a history dating back to the first days of the Republic of Marik the Militia’s role has been constantly evolving. The contingent has seen service with the Marik Commonwealth, as Provincial Force in the early FWLM, it made the transition from an armored unit to a BattleMech force, and participated in countless battles in dozens of wars along the way. It wasn’t until the formation of the Star League that its current role as the main part of the FWLM Federal Forces was formalized.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Marik Militia, 2nd Marik Militia, 3rd Marik Militia, 4th Marik Militia, 5th Marik Militia, 6th Marik Militia, 7th Marik Militia, 8th Marik Militia, 9th Marik Militia, 10th Marik Militia, 11th Marik Militia, 12th Marik Militia, 13th Marik Militia, 14th Marik Militia, 15th Marik Militia, 16th Marik Militia, 17th Marik Militia, 18th Marik Militia, 19th Marik Militia, 20th Marik Militia, 21st Marik Militia, 22nd Marik Militia, 23rd Marik Militia, 24th Marik Militia, 25th Marik Militia, 26th Marik Militia, 27th Marik Militia, 28th Marik Militia
Olympian Hoplites (4 regiments)
Overview: The FWLM has a long tradition of innovative training methods that is often overlooked by many outsiders. The apex of these special instructional efforts may just be the Olympian Hoplites. The Hoplites were formed after the Arms Amendment of 2752 which allowed for the expansion of the FWLM. Based near the Free Worlds Military Institute on the planet of New Olympia the unit was originally an academy project that grew into its current form. The basic structure of the Hoplites is modeled after the Star League Regimental Combat Teams. Copied for the express purpose of conducting combat exercises with their fellow League forces this OpFor (Opposing Force) provides advanced tactical and strategic training for the FWLM. The Hoplites frequently trained with SLDF and other favored House units during the Star League era. Their four regiments span the entire strata of Mech classes (Assault, Heavy, Medium, Light). The Hoplites also deploy the appropriate number of supporting conventional forces (armor and infantry) and are adept combined arms unit. As a teaching formation they wanted the widest variety of equipment to train others with. They also embrace the newest technologies and military innovations. However this all presents a massive maintenance challenge.
Inspiration: BTSD creation founded on the basis of other Great House militaries
Child Units: 1st Olympian Hoplites, 2nd Olympian Hoplites, 3rd Olympian Hoplites, 4th Olympian Hoplites
League Regulars (7 regiments)
Overview: Free Worlds League natives serving with the SLDF returned home after the collapse of the Star League. These returning nationals were greeted as heroes and organized into a single contingent by the Captain-General that would best make use of their skills. This was a clever political move putting all these Leaguers together and avoiding their dispersal throughout Provincial forces. Elements of five divisions as well some loyalist regiments were lumped together to form seven full BattleMech regiments. Instead of being pleased by this development League officials have taken caution when dealing with this unit. This apparently stems somewhat from Kenyon Marik’s attitude torwards the SLDF. SAFE maintains a constant watch over its personnel for signs of disloyalty.
Inspiration: BTSD creation based on disbanded SLDF units that joined the FWL. 5th Mechanized Infantry Division, 63rd Mechanized Infantry Division, 166th Mechanized Infantry Division (Red Diamond Division), 189th Jump Infantry Division (The New Orleans Division), 209th Mechanized Infantry Division, and don’t forget Loyalists.
Child Units: 1st League Regulars, 2nd League Regulars, 3rd League Regulars, 4th League Regulars, 5th League Regulars, 6th League Regulars, 7th League Regulars
Provincial Guards (7 regiments)
Overview: While nominally a provincial formation it is accurate to say that the Guard is a tool of the Captain-General and as such are considered a Federal force. Built around the ancient Marik Guard this collection of troops from worlds all around the League is tied closely to the ruling house. The parent formation came into being when expatriates from Denebola formed the Iron Guards. The Provincial Guards regional associations play into their loyalty to the Eagle whose help is essential to the Guards existence. After the fall of the Selaj clan the FWLM gradually expanded this contingent with new units from the Regulan splinter states. All units are very loyal to Marik, frequently volunteer to work with the LCCC, and often train with the Marik Guard. Many Marik critics especially from more “independent†Provinces deride the Guard as a bunch of kiss asses.
Inspiration: Using the canon Marik Guard and Iron Guard I created this formation
Child Units: Marik Guard (Marik Commonwealth), Iron Guard (Denebola expatriates), Stimson Guard (Regulan Free States), Principality Guard (Gibson), Commonalty Guard (Rim Commonalty), Irian Guard (Irian), Montcalm Guard (Kendall)
Abbey Templars (3 regiments)
Overview: Another newcomer to the FWLM, the origins of the Abbey Templars and their District date back to the Marik Civil War. The planets that would one day compose the District joined the Free Worlds League proudly as independent star systems. Horrified by the purges of Captain-General Elise Marik they became ardent supporters of Oliver the Usurper. The one of the only exceptions was the Abbey of Maxwell who refused to be caught up in the Civil War. Instead the Abbot urged the people to maintain their faith in the rightful ruler of the Free Worlds. This act which was very unpopular eventually ended in the destruction of the Abbey and sparked a counter uprising by a small group named the Templars. Along with the Loyalist forces led by Bertram Marik they subdued the rebels. The Treaty of Verona formally consolidated these worlds as the Abbey District and placed this new province under military authority. The Templars were also knighted by the Captain-General in 2734 and enshrined as a new Federal unit of the FWLM. Rewarding the few loyal natives of a previously disloyal region was an obvious public relations ploy but one that would pay huge dividends. The Abbey Templars strove to prove themselves as heroes of the League and exemplars for the populace to follow. Their Periphery Quests which established new trade routes and bought justice to the frontiers was wildly successful both politically and economically. Not only did they inspire the people of Abbey with their exploits but their fame eventually captured the imagination of the entire Free Worlds. The Templars were expanded by House Marik to three full Mech regiments after the Arms Control Amendment of 2752. However there is a dark side to these white knights. Support of the Captain-General means support of his policies like the passage and enactment of that free trade act with the Periphery that ends up doing untold harm. Outside the Free Worlds League the Templars have become a symbol of greed or even worse the enforcers of unfair "trade" with the Periphery. Several original Templars and disillusioned ex-recruits have spoken out against their formerly noble organization. Unfortunately things don’t seem to be getting any better as stories of people with enough pull or wealth obtaining rapid and possible unwarranted promotions are leaking out. However they are extremely "successful" (money wise anyway that is their primary motivation) and the Templars still have their untarnished aura to House Marik’s faithful.
Inspiration: BTSD formation based on the canon Abbey District, possible forerunners of the Knights of the InnerSphere
Child Units: 1st Abbey Templars, 2nd Abbey Templars, 3rd Abbey Templars
Provincial Forces (60 regiments)
Forces answering to the individual member states of the Free Worlds League are considered Provincial troops. The composition of these contingents varies wildly but only ten of these formations can truly be considered line forces. While some see these forces as a proud reminder of the League’s independent nature others view them as a constant threat to the nation’s unity. Funded and supplied by their respective Provinces these troops coordinate their activities with the LCCC but normally fall outside their direct command. Resolution 288 has given the Captain-General emergency powers over all League forces which includes the Provincials.
Fusiliers of Oriente (5 regiments)
Overview: The elite troops of the Federation of Oriente were created in 2485 and proudly serve their native state as well as the League as a whole. The last expansion of the Fusiliers occurred in 2581 when the Third and Fourth Brigades were founded for participation in the Reunification War. They sided with the rebels during the Marik Civil War and despite more recent tension with Kenyon Marik the Fusiliers remain valued members of the FWLM.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: Ducal Guard, 1st Brigade, 2nd Brigade, 3rd Brigade, 4th Brigade
Oriente Hussars (11 regiments)
Overview: Despite having a long and distinguished history that nearly matches the Fusiliers, the Hussars are widely considered second class soldiers of the Federation of Oriente. It was the Hussars who took the hit for siding with Oliver the Usurper during the Civil War. Their reputation in the FWLM further deteriorated as they were expanded after the Arms Amendment of 2752. As a result they are poorly regarded by many federal authorities despite possessing a fairly notable track record.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Oriente Hussars, 2nd Oriente Hussars, 3rd Oriente Hussars, 4th Oriente Hussars, 5th Oriente Hussars, 6th Oriente Hussars, 7th Oriente Hussars, 8th Oriente Hussars, 9th Oriente Hussars, 10th Oriente Hussars, 11th Oriente Hussars
Orloff Grenadiers (5 regiments)
Overview: While the Duchy of Orloff proclaimed its independence from Oriente in 2691 relations between the two provinces remain cordial despite Marik efforts to divide them. During the Marik Civil War (2729-2734) the Duke of Carbonis (page 24 HMSB) backed Oliver the Usurper. These proud and highly skilled warriors often try to mediate disputes between the League’s most powerful provinces for the good of the nation as a whole. This stance and their martial prowess have won them respect throughout the Free Worlds.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Orloff Grenadiers, 2nd Orloff Grenadiers, 3rd Orloff Grenadiers, 4th Orloff Grenadiers, 5th Orloff Grenadiers
Regulan Hussars (9 regiments)
Overview: The traditional forces of the Principality of Regulas have been restored after treachery of the Selaj family. Defeated by a vengeful Marik Militia during the battles of Hellos Minor and Harmony in 2679-2680 the Hussars underwent a full scale overhaul under the auspices of House Schenk. These stewards appointed by Captain-General Gerald Marik oversaw the reformation of the Hussars under federal authority. Despite being outmanned during the Marik Civil War the Schenk led Hussars fought well and redeemed themselves. House Marik supported the expansion of the Regulan Hussars after the Arms Amendment of 2752 to their current size of nine regiments. Despite the Schenk’s excellent service to the Mariks or maybe becaue of it the internal politics of the League demanded Regulan independence be restored under a native ruler. Recently Parliament elevated the Cameron-Jones family, distantly related to the line of First Lords, to the Principality. Understandably this act has caused some tension between the two families as the Schenk’s remain the commanders of the Regulan Hussars. Both clans are extremely loyal to House Marik and strive to see the Star League restored under their aegis.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Regulan Hussars, 2nd Regulan Hussars, 3rd Regulan Hussars, 4th Regulan Hussars, 5th Regulan Hussars, 6th Regulan Hussars, 7th Regulan Hussars, 8th Regulan Hussars, 9th Regulan Hussars
Stewart Dragoons (5 regiments)
Overview: The Dragoons Home Guard was founded prior to the Stewart War of 2293 where they unsuccessfully tried to fend off the Free Worlds League. Since that time the forces of the Stewart Commonalty have been strong allies of House Marik. They maintain a proud martial tradition and excel at several different roles. Siding with the Loyalists during the Marik Civil War they helped rescue Captain-General Elise Marik and assured the succession of Bertram. This support won them the gratitude of House Marik which has generously funded the Dragoons. Their close relationship to Corean Enterprises of Stewart has also benefited the Dragoons. As a result the Dragoons are one of the most well supplied Provincial commands. The Juggernaut is an assault unit showcasing Corean’s Goliath ‘Mech, the Swarm is composed of Locusts and other light fast Mechs they attack just like a plague of those insects giving the big slow Lyrans fits, and Steel Rain batters opponents with its Trebuchets and other LRM carriers like the Archer. The Companions were founded after the Arms Amendment of 2752 with aide from the Mariks.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: Home Guard (1st Stewart Dragoons), Juggernaut (2nd Stewart Dragoons), Swarm (3rd Stewart Dragoons), Steel Rain (4th Stewart Dragoons), The Companions (5th Stewart Dragoons)
Defenders of Andurien (6 regiments)
Overview: The Defenders were established in 2514 prior to the start of the Second Andurien War. Proving their worth in battle against the Capellans these units grew in number and prominence. In spite of their skill and sacrifice the Free Worlds League bartered away Andurien and many of its worlds to the Confederation in return for peace. Never happy with the deal that saw much of their homelands turned over to House Liao the forces of this rump Duchy have become increasingly critical of the Mariks. While many pro-Marik officials accuse them of being bitter, House Humpherys continues to stand for liberty in the face of tyranny no matter the internal disputes of the League. Unlike much of the InnerSphere the remnants of the Duchy have spent their years in exile stewing on Kanata and Granera. Andurien back Oliver the Usurper during the Marik Civil War which did not endear it any further to the federal government. The central authorities of the League are constantly aware of this rebellious Province and as such support from outside the Duchy is slow in coming. The Defenders await their eventually return to Andurien and the liberation of all its worlds from the despotic House Liao.
Inspiration: Established canon formation, see HMSB and FM FWL
Child Units: 1st Defenders of Andurien, 2nd Defenders of Andurien, 3rd Defenders of Andurien, 4th Defenders of Andurien, 5th Defenders of Andurien, 6th Defenders of Andurien
Bolan Scouts (8 regiments)
Overview: The Bolan Association began as a nine world proto-state originally consisting of Bolan, Valloire, Marsalle, Kamenz, Rochers, Dixie, Ilion, Nockatunga, and Tamarind. This free trade union assembled in the wake of the Outer Reaches Rebellion (2242) allowed its member worlds to survive and indeed thrive in a post Terran Alliance Human Sphere. Its enterprising merchants established many trade routes in the anti-spinward region that were ably protected by the Bolan Association Frontier Force. Their elite force, the Bolan Scouts, dispatched all sorts of bandits including Marik privateers. The Association was outpaced as a political force by the Free Worlds League and the Lyran Commonwealth who threatened to engulf Bolan. Faced with authoritarian Lyran encroachment the Association chose to join the Free Worlds League. Undeterred by this development the Archon founded the Lyran Scout Corps in 2413 which continued expansion around the “Bolan Thumbâ€. In 2427 the Commonwealth conquered Bolan, Kamenz, and Dixie despite heavy resistance. During the Age of War the Association endured significant damage from a series of attacks and counter assaults. The Bolan Scouts came into their modern form as a premier light force armed with BattleMechs. Thanks to the FWLM and the Bolan Scouts most of the Association was liberated from Lyran control by the end of the Age of War. The Association rebuilt as a proud part of the Free Worlds during the Star League era which bought peace and commerce with the Commonwealth. Bolan merchants became renowned for their wealth and opulence throughout Marik space. This prosperity also bought with it growth that swelled the Association to almost two dozen worlds (23) making it the Free Worlds fourth largest province. Not quite as big as the Big Three (Marik, Oriente, and Regulas) but the Association nearly doubled the size of the next biggest province (Andurien, 13). Some accused the Bolan worlds of being more loyal to the Star League than the Free Worlds League. These allegations mainly come from their role in the Marik Civil War where they pressed for Star League mediation. The Association didn’t really chose sides until Bertram loyalists obtained the upper hand. While they are ardent Free Worlders and die hard supporters of the Marik family some think that the Captain-General has it in for them. Whatever the case the Bolan Scouts remain the FWLM premier rapid reaction force responding to Lyran aggression without hesitation. Recently the 1st Bolan Scouts were destroyed by the LCAF invasion of their homeworld. While Bolan backed Kenyon’s Resolution 288 they have been disappointed by the Captain-General’s lack of immediate action.
Inspiration: BTSD formation
Child Units: 2nd Bolan Scouts, 3rd Bolan Scouts, 4th Bolan Scouts, 5th Bolan Scouts, 6th Bolan Scouts, 7th Bolan Scouts, 8th Bolan Scouts, 9th Bolan Scouts
Tarmanid Janissaries (6 regiments)
Overview: The origins of the Tarmanid Sultanate and its Janissaries go back to ancient Turkey. As mankind journeyed to the stars many Muslim peoples where forbidden by their faith to undertake such an extraterrestrial trip. The people of secular Turkey were one notable exception to the Islamic ban on space travel. One of the largest Turkish settlements established in the young Human Sphere was Ayn Tarma in 2168. The distant mining colony did well in spite of the increasing tyranny of Terran authorities. Discontent grew until the people of Ayn Tarma had enough and joined the Outer Reaches Rebellion in 2235.
Led by the Damat Naili and his brothers (Darendali and Esad) the Tarmanid people drove out the Alliance. While they were no doubt aided by the remote location of Ayn Tarma the liberation campaign conducted by the Naili family without much of a military to begin with was a stunning success. At fifty four years of age Damat became the first sovereign of the Tarmanid Emirate in 2239. He appointed his brother Darendali, whose administrative skills proved superior, Grand Vizier while his baby brother Esad became the Orgeneral of the Emirate military. Esad oversaw the development of the Tarmanid Sipahi into some of the finest armor regiments in known space. The collapse of the Terran Alliance in 2242 provided the Emir with opportunities for expansion. With a mix of brute force and some harsh diplomacy the Tarmanid spread to Rohinjan, Mauripur, Hindmarsh, and Wilkes.
The Emirate even came into conflict with the Principality of Regulas prior to the Document of Incorporation. While some historians like to compare House Naili to House Kurita at this time the formation of the Free Worlds League in 2271 blocked any further expansion by the Tarmanid. For two hundred years the Emirate remained a fiercely independent nation that remained a thorn in the side of the League, in particular Regulas. Their lightning raids and superior ground troops made this proto-nation a force to be reckoned with. However in 2481 this changed the FWLM led by the Regulan Hussars conquered the Tarmanid thanks to a new super weapon, the BattleMech. The Emirate was absorbed wholesale into the Principality of Regulas who made use of their possession. The Tarmanid Sipahi became supporting forces of the Regulan Hussars creating a truly deadly force. It was in this capacity that the Tarmanid would see action during the Reunification War. However, the insidious Selaj family introduced anarchic communes on Ayn Tarma to dilute the militant Tarmanid populace while publicly endorsing the spread of new freedoms. The merchant Princes of Regulas did such things during the Age of Occupation in order to assimilate the Tarmanid but they did not succeed.
In 2679 the revelation that the Selaj family actually led the brutal terrorist effort known as the Scourge of Death gave the Tarmanid a chance for renewed independence. The Tarmanid Sipahi saw some of the toughest fighting attempting to break free of the Regulan Hussars. It was during this conflict that the Janissaries were first assembled from captured resources of the Principality. The sacrifice of the Tarmanid did not go unnoticed by Captain-General Gerald Marik who proclaimed the birth of the Sultanate in 2680 as a Province of the Free Worlds. They have become valuable allies to House Marik even though some harbor reservations. The Sultanate did eventually back Elise in the Marik Civil War but did not immediately jump into the conflict. The Kapikula Sipahi or secret forces of the Sultan did fight ably in the Hidden Wars but again did so in their self interest.
Inspiration: Miss Kotare’s non-canon Turkish inspired BattleMech forces.
Child Units: Royal Gardeners, 1st Janissaries, 2nd Janissaries, 1st Kapikula Sipahi, 2nd Kapikula Sipahi, 3rd Kapikula Sipahi
Kalidasan Regulars (3 regiments)
Overview: The Silver Hawks of Kalidasa have long been a stalwart contingent of the FWLM. The Duchy’s Regulars have participated in many campaigns throughout the military history of the League often facing down their cross border foes, the Lyran Commonwealth. Their fortunes have recently waned since backing the wrong Marik in the Civil War. Despite public reconciliation between Kalidasa and the ruling House distrust still lingers on both sides. As a result the Province and its troops have never really recovered their pre-war strength. Even after fifty years the Regulars have only rebuilt three of their five BattleMech regiments.
Inspiration: BTSD formation that are the forerunners of the Silver Hawk Irregulars.
Child Units: 1st Kalidasan Regulars, 4th Kalidasan Regulars, 5th Kalidasan Regulars
Graham Grenadiers (1 regiment)
Overview: The newest Provincial Force of the FWLM has made waves inside the League and out. The Grenadiers are the creation of one of the most ambitious men in the Free Worlds, Duke Simon Graham-Marik. Descended from one of the founding families of the Marik Commonwealth the Graham family is long time allies of the Captain-General. The Dukes of Graham-Marik are distant relations of the ruling line and received their own Province early in the 2400s for loyal service during the 1st Andurien War. This support has continued to modern times as shown by their unconditional backing of Elise Marik during the Civil War. In response to Kenyon Marik’s offer of Terran worlds Simon began a reorganization of his forces with the ultimate goal of conquering Graham IV and expanding his personal empire. Using his fortune the Duke assembled a new force from the Graham-Marik Guard (which had previously been a part of Provincial Guards), the very best of his Duchy’s Planetary Militias, and some new recruits. These new retainers are very skilled but highly have a questionable past to say the least. Sources say that they may even include some alleged war criminals from the Amaris Coup. Regardless of this fact Duke Simon has built himself a four Mech battalion force of superior quality in a short amount of time. In doing so he has angered some within the League and in the fledgling Terran Republic. Far from being dissuaded Simon has committed to further expansion of his new Grenadiers.
Inspiration: BTSD formation established to eventually replace the Sirian Lancers
Child Units: 1st Graham Grenadiers
MILITARY ACADEMIES
Alright folks I think we are all set with the military academies of the Free Worlds League. We’ve got a total of 12 major institutions (one more than the AFFS 2785) spread throughout Marik space. Three (Athene Combat School, Atreus Officer Training College, and Free Worlds Military Institute) are federal academies while the other eight are provincial and interestingly enough not Marik. This really helps establish the balkanized nation that is the League and its unique regional identities.
Aitutaki Academy (Regulas)
Athene Combat School – ACS (Atreus)
Atreus Officer Training College (Atreus)
Bolan Military Academy (Bolan)
Free Worlds Military Institute – FMWI (New Olympia)
Graham Mechwarrior Academy – GMA (Loyalty)
Humphreys Training Academy (Kanata)
Kalidasa Defense Academy (Kalidasa)
Kara Harp Okulu (Ayn Tarma)
Princefield Military Academy (Oriente)
Orloff Military Academy – OMA (Vanra)
Temple of Martial Disciplines (Maxwell)
Private Military Academies – PMAs (various)
These independent institutions, which are not administered by any public agency of the Free Worlds League, educate individuals who have enough money to pay their tuition. While this maybe a bit of an oversimplification it is close to the truth. Of course, each academy has its own standards for acceptance which vary wildly based on the quality of services provided. The better the training or the less questions potential applicants want to answer the higher the fees.
PMAs incorporate the laissez-faire philosophy of the Free Worlds League at its very best, and as some critics would say its very worst. There is no discrimination at these facilities whose only prerequisite is having enough money to pay tuition. Having political connections, official standing, or any kind of influence really doesn’t matter here. Even physical disabilities can be overlooked for the right price.
The citizenry of the Free Worlds take a great deal of pride in these institutions as they help maintain their liberty and contribute to their basic rights like self defense. Even with trained rebels the cause of frequent rebellions inside the League no freedom loving individual would suggest shutting them down. The Periphery Uprising and the revelation that some participants may have been trained at PMAs has caused more introspection then previous revolutions.
Long accused of being the cat’s paw of House Marik these facilities may have connections going as far back to the privateers who prowled early League space. More recent connections during the Hidden Wars to the mercenary community and some rebel groups have drawn criticism. This comes mainly from foreign powers concerned with these martial academies who seem to produce chaotic warriors at best.
SAFE has also been accused of having a great interest in these "dark" academies. Many accuse them of plucking black ops guys with little background from these facilities. A supply of lesser known but highly skilled individuals might serve them well but there is no tangible evidence linking the covert agency to any of these facilities.
They can be found wherever profitability can be attained, except for Atreus. The federal government long ago decided to distant itself from these facilities. Aside from some basic regulation to insure safety Parliament has steered clear of the PMAs. The Free Worlds League is happy to see a return in skilled personnel who might have fallen through the cracks while corporate types could find a source of qualified security personnel.
The diversity of these facilities matches that of the Free Worlds League itself. PMAs use a variety of proven as well as unorthodox methods to evaluate and train personnel. Some notable academies include the Marik family’s which is maintained by the League’s principal household. This exclusive school which may have been the first of its kind is credited with the education of many Captain-Generals. While Irian features a corporate style academy geared at staffing company positions. Kyeinnisan serves as a mercenary training center as well as the keeper of old school merc traditions.
An excellent secondary method of military education as long as the money keeps flowing. It enables the League to find the best possible warriors for military and private service regardless of qualifications. The recent economic decline has caused some of these Private Military Academies to close due to lack of funding. Some predict that the fall of the Star League may endanger the PMAs which have become depend upon the prosperity of the Human Sphere for their continued survival.
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Takiro
Quote from: Takiro on July 09, 2009, 02:31:48 AM
Abbey Templars (3 regiments)
Overview: Another newcomer to the FWLM, the origins of the Abbey Templars and their District date back to the Marik Civil War. The planets that would one day compose the District joined the Free Worlds League proudly as independent star systems. Horrified by the purges of Captain-General Elise Marik they became ardent supporters of Oliver the Usurper. The one of the only exceptions was the Abbey of Maxwell who refused to be caught up in the Civil War. Instead the Abbot urged the people to maintain their faith in the rightful ruler of the Free Worlds. This act which was very unpopular eventually ended in the destruction of the Abbey and sparked a counter uprising by a small group named the Templars. Along with the Loyalist forces led by Bertram Marik they subdued the rebels. The Treaty of Verona formally consolidated these worlds as the Abbey District and placed this new province under military authority. The Templars were also knighted by the Captain-General in 2734 and enshrined as a new Federal unit of the FWLM. Rewarding the few loyal natives of a previously disloyal region was an obvious public relations ploy but one that would pay huge dividends. The Abbey Templars strove to prove themselves as heroes of the League and exemplars for the populace to follow. Their Periphery Quests which established new trade routes and bought justice to the frontiers was wildly successful both politically and economically. Not only did they inspire the people of Abbey with their exploits but their fame eventually captured the imagination of the entire Free Worlds. The Templars were expanded by House Marik to three full Mech regiments after the Arms Control Amendment of 2752. However there is a dark side to these white knights. Support of the Captain-General means support of his policies like the passage and enactment of that free trade act with the Periphery that ends up doing untold harm. Outside the Free Worlds League the Templars have become a symbol of greed or even worse the enforcers of unfair "trade" with the Periphery. Several original Templars and disillusioned ex-recruits have spoken out against their formerly noble organization. Unfortunately things don’t seem to be getting any better as stories of people with enough pull or wealth obtaining rapid and possible unwarranted promotions are leaking out. However they are extremely "successful" (money wise anyway that is their primary motivation) and the Templars still have their untarnished aura to House Marik’s faithful.
Inspiration: BTSD formation based on the canon Abbey District, possible forerunners of the Knights of the InnerSphere
Child Units: 1st Abbey Templars, 2nd Abbey Templars, 3rd Abbey Templars
Tactics of Betrayal makes another mess of our Abbey Templars, see the text below.
Anthony Block was waiting silently at the head of the map table, gazing down at a map grid with that imperturbable air that Rice had come to know well. The man’s compact build gave a sense of solidity that was emphasized by his roughhewn features. There was an ageless but unfinished look to his face. Rice was struck with the fanciful notion that he might have been carved out of solid rock by a sculptor who had abandoned the work before adding the fine details. Only the pure silver hair hinted at his true age. Block, formally Brother Anthony, came from Gibraltar in the Free World’s League. He had left the Brotherhood of the Rock when that sect of Warrior-Monks had refused to involve itself in the struggle for the Terran Hegemony and control of the Star League. Nobody made an issue of it, but everyone in the Eighteenth Volunteer Regiment knew that it had been Block’s tactical genius that had steered them through seven months of brutal fighting on Alioth. Goldstein knew it too, and thankfully had been smart enough to let his second-in-command deal with strategy and tactics while he concentrated on
leading his troops into battle.
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FirstStarLord
Heh, maybe they are trying to throw us off on purpose. Smiley
Really though, can't we just make a name change and a few tweaks to the description to fix this? The general point of a religiously inspired warrior sect seems to hold up.
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Takiro
Grin Great minds think alike. Since we have three regiments of Abbey Templars we could just say that each is a different Brotherhoods. The Brotherhood of the Rock being the regiment from Gibraltar. Another would be from Maxwell (although we need its Brotherhood name perhaps the Eagle or the Abbey) and the third well we have our pick (Manotick, Elon, Silver or Hammer).