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Re: Banshees and Fasanomics
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2013, 11:55:37 PM »
A lot of them were probably in Terran Hegemony planetary militias and got nuked during the First Succession War.
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Re: Banshees and Fasanomics
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2013, 03:16:13 AM »
Quote from: croaker on March 25, 2013, 11:55:37 PM
A lot of them were probably in Terran Hegemony planetary militias and got nuked during the First Succession War.

What he said.  Also the Coup and Liberation would have cleaned out a fair few.  From there on it's just the production from Hesperus, limiting numbers in a big way.
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Re: Banshees and Fasanomics
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2013, 04:11:47 PM »
Quote from: croaker on March 25, 2013, 11:55:37 PM
A lot of them were probably in Terran Hegemony planetary militias and got nuked during the First Succession War.

Wrong as TRO 3025 states states that roughly a third of the 5000 Banshees produced are still in the Inner Sphere,
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Re: Banshees and Fasanomics
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2013, 05:01:28 PM »
Banshees and other early prolific Mechs likely fill out Planetary Militias, the Mechwarrior Nobility, Reserve or Veteran Contingents, Privately Owned (Corporate Security Forces), Minor Mercenaries, Errants (Periphery Mech Wanderers), Mech Gladiators (various worlds), Technical Projects (Junk or Boneyard stuff / Technophile side work), etc. etc.
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Re: Banshees and Fasanomics
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2013, 11:08:31 PM »
Quote from: Ice Hellion on March 26, 2013, 04:11:47 PM
Quote from: croaker on March 25, 2013, 11:55:37 PM
A lot of them were probably in Terran Hegemony planetary militias and got nuked during the First Succession War.

Wrong as TRO 3025 states states that roughly a third of the 5000 Banshees produced are still in the Inner Sphere,

Which means that two thirds of them aren't. As in, got nuked.
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Re: Banshees and Fasanomics
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2013, 10:18:16 AM »
Quote from: Ice Hellion on March 26, 2013, 04:11:47 PM
Quote from: croaker on March 25, 2013, 11:55:37 PM
A lot of them were probably in Terran Hegemony planetary militias and got nuked during the First Succession War.

Wrong as TRO 3025 states states that roughly a third of the 5000 Banshees produced are still in the Inner Sphere,

TRO 3025 also said the Zeus Pre-Dated the Mackie by nearly a century.  it has pretty much been completely supplanted as a reliable source.

XTRO Primitives Vol II also clearly states that the 5000 was merely the order made by the post reunification War SLDF, and the number does not include the uncountable primitive models that were upgraded to 3E standards.

a player or a fan really can not rely on any materiel that pre dates Randall Bills tenure as Line Developer, mostly cause up till that point FASA just did not give a damn about consistent numbers or continuity.
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Re: Banshees and Fasanomics
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2013, 11:09:00 AM »
Bro, TR:3025 may have one foot in House Book BattleTech and one foot back in BattleDroids, but it's not Billsianly confused.  :o
I'd probably mark TR:3075 as the beginning of the new guard's present consistency.


PS: Ice Hellion, are you looking at changing engines, or just weapons? 'Cause what the Mariks did is way easier than what the Lyrans did.
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Re: Banshees and Fasanomics
« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2013, 11:31:18 AM »
personal opinion, but around 2000 was when the Btech developers really started making a press for better continuity.  I do agree that they got just got the hang of it around 5 years ago.
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Re: Banshees and Fasanomics
« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2013, 03:06:08 PM »
Quote from: JPArbiter on March 27, 2013, 10:18:16 AM
TRO 3025 also said the Zeus Pre-Dated the Mackie by nearly a century.  it has pretty much been completely supplanted as a reliable source.

XTRO Primitives Vol II also clearly states that the 5000 was merely the order made by the post reunification War SLDF, and the number does not include the uncountable primitive models that were upgraded to 3E standards.

a player or a fan really can not rely on any materiel that pre dates Randall Bills tenure as Line Developer, mostly cause up till that point FASA just did not give a damn about consistent numbers or continuity.

Except that I don't have XTRO Primitives Vol II yet   :(

Quote from: skiltao on March 27, 2013, 11:09:00 AM
PS: Ice Hellion, are you looking at changing engines, or just weapons? 'Cause what the Mariks did is way easier than what the Lyrans did.

Weapons. Easier to do but you still have to have enough of them to make it worth the efforts.
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Re: Banshees and Fasanomics
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2013, 07:53:57 PM »
Well, groups as small as a few regiments have been known to have their own 'Mech variants. Has the small power been around long and are they greatly in need of assault 'Mechs? If they've been desperate for a century or two then even a handful might be worth tinkering with. (The smaller and younger the group is, the less likely any modification is to be reproducible or 100% free of flaws.)

@JPArbiter: I want to agree, but with the caveats that the 2000-2007 DA/Jihad material scrambled things, and that the 1987-1994 developers prioritized different (I'd argue more important) aspects of the continuity than the present crew did.

@Blacknova: ah! Yeah. Going a step further, I wonder if the internet boom skewed people's attention towards datums that're easy to keyword search.
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Re: Banshees and Fasanomics
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2013, 06:08:37 PM »
There is simply not enough data to determine anything with hard numbers in the BTU.

There are only actual numbers on a handful of designs, and they are incorrect.

Heck, we don't even know how many regiments of mercs or private forces are sitting out there.

The only way I've found to look at the BTU and have it make sense, is to think of all the combat and the succession wars as a very large paintball game, where death means you can no longer participate.  Trying to make any of it work in a logical way is impossible.

So don't destroy brain cells trying too hard :)
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