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The "war economy"
« on: April 08, 2011, 07:55:38 PM »

This thread is dedicated to the exploration of the economics of the mercenary industry. Any participation is welcome.

I've come across canon references to forms of credit and finance tied to mercenaries and I'd like to discuss some of what that could mean. It's easy to think of merc commands as little more than guns for hire but I'm trying to form a concept of actual finance and speculation based on the activities of mercenary commands. I thought I'd start off with a few ideas:

1.) Finance: Mercs need money and states have it. The problem with this is that not all states need (or want) mercs. So I assume there must be some form of credit available to merc commands. Who makes these loans? One entity could be the MRBC, another could very well be states themselves, with various interesting effects on the merc commands involved.

2.) Payment: From what I've seen thus far just asking for money is no way to keep a merc command financed for long. Salvage rights seem to be the way to wealth for mercs using canon rules. This strikes me as odd since at that point most merc commands would seem better off just playing pirate and taking salvage from fights they start on their terms.  I propose that a new payment system should be explored.

3.) Speculation: AFAIK there is no reference to actual speculation by investors in the merc industry. I'd like to hear some ideas on how such a system, if implemented, could be made to work beyond simple loans.

Thanks for reading and thank you ahead of time to those who participate. Let's see what we can come up with...
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Re: The "war economy"
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2011, 04:29:50 PM »

1. MRBC should probably do it as States are not neutral and it could lead to conflicts of interest.
2. But if I remember well, savage rights were one of the main points of the mercs contracts.
3. Is it really a good investment?
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Re: The "war economy"
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2011, 04:59:18 PM »

Well the Lexington Combat Group's entry in the MercSup Book notes how they took out loans from the banks of the Federated Suns.
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Re: The "war economy"
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2011, 12:39:31 PM »

To address point 1:  Well, as a profit driven entity, the MRBC probably charges a surcharge and retainer fees to the Houses for holding the contract money in escrow on behalf of the contracting parties.  It would stand to reason that since the mercenary units in operation, the more money the MRBC can generate, that they would provide loans at probably fairly reasonable rates to help merc units out in a pinch. 

For point 3, I don't think merc units would be looking for that kind of capital investments from wealthy individuals.  First, the investors would want a say in operations, which would hinder the unit's flexibility and force a non-military person into the decision making.  Additionally, wealthy investors would most likely have their own agendas, would could restrict who the merc unit could take employment with. 

From the wealthy investor's stand point, investment in a merc unit could make sense, but more from a I'm going to purchase your unit and you're going to become my bodyguard kind of thing.  Odds are, they the wealthy investor would just buy a handful of 'Mech and recruit merc pilots, but not a whole unit. 



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Re: The "war economy"
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2011, 01:05:46 PM »

To address point 1:  Well, as a profit driven entity, the MRBC probably charges a surcharge and retainer fees to the Houses for holding the contract money in escrow on behalf of the contracting parties.  It would stand to reason that since the mercenary units in operation, the more money the MRBC can generate, that they would provide loans at probably fairly reasonable rates to help merc units out in a pinch.

They do indeed, per FM: Mercs Revised rules. Quote below.

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FM: Mercs Revised, pg. 169
For contracts negotiated and agreed upon through the
Mercenary Review and Bonding Commission (on Outreach and
Galatea), a 5-percent deduction applies immediately upon
acceptance of the contract by both sides of the negotiating table.
This deduction is the handling fee imposed by the MRBC, which
places the remainder in trust pending the final completion of the
mission.

As for the loan part, I'd give two suggestions.

1. The "reality" suggestion - The share of profits from the Dragoons, return on investments from Blackwell, taxes on goods/services on Outreach, MRBC revenues from training fees, contract processing fees, etc; these things are shared. The Dragoons like to maintain the image of squeaky clean and all three (Blackwell/MRBC/Dragoons) being separate, but there would very likely be a great deal of behind the scenes moving of money to communal funds. That means a lot of potential money to loan out, which also means interest generating more profit on those loans. And even better, if you default, you've just irked off the MRBC. Bye-bye reputation. As one solo owner of the premier place for mercs to call home base, they've got the corner on a fairly ugly, dirty business. And they are filthy rich from having that corner. This fits in better if you're stepping further away from canon, as it can quickly break the existing canon paradigm.

2. The "FASA" suggestion - Fasanomics rule here. Even with all the potential for revenue and combining income streams, the Dragoons are effectively only breaking even. Any profits go into reinvesting in Outreach, Harlech, expanding the MRBC, or the Dragoons. Sure, they have a large warchest, but that is for usage by the Dragoons and emergencies. They're not building Outreach into the kind of place that could rival Terra for quality of living, they're not holding onto their more socialistic style economics as found into the Clans, and incorporating it on their home planet. (A home planet that could be a virtual paradise in the Inner Sphere.) They're keeping all their funds separated, they're squeaky clean, and they are some kind of austere warrior-monks from the Clans that apparently have no desire to better their people's lives or enrich themselves. FASAnomics all the way here. The Dragoons, the Kell Hounds, the Highlanders, and all the rest are somehow not filthy rich, nouveau nobility that could make their home planets (and even surrounding planets) A+ worlds in no time flat. This fits best with things hewing closer to canon material.

As klinktastic mentioned on point 3, wealthy investors don't happen a great deal. There is some canon precedent for it, but more often in it is the vein of "become my household guard." This can be seen with a few House units, as well as mercenaries working for Duke Ricol of DC fame and others. The only exception I can think of is Lethal Injection (FM: Mercs Revised), who was invested in by Count Kit de Summersville from the Magistracy. How he intends to turn a profit or see a return on investment? Got me. FASAnomics again. First time they salvage a unit, the Count should take that as his claim, sell it, and call it a day.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2011, 01:09:49 PM by Dread Moores »
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Re: The "war economy"
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2011, 02:54:18 PM »

We could ask Kit, he's on the forums here under the username Ken.
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Re: The "war economy"
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2011, 04:50:07 PM »

The only exception I can think of is Lethal Injection (FM: Mercs Revised), who was invested in by Count Kit de Summersville from the Magistracy. How he intends to turn a profit or see a return on investment? Got me. FASAnomics again. First time they salvage a unit, the Count should take that as his claim, sell it, and call it a day.

He apparently doesn't, as he agreed to do so as a tax write-off. There's some part of the MoC tax code that somehow reduces his tax rate at a rate greater than his level of investment. Presumably there's a nice break for mercenary units working for the MoC and if he can take a 'loss' by using capital accounting he can decrease his tax burden from his other income. I'm sure klinktastic could go into accounting far better than I can.

We've also seen corporate involvement with merc units, such as Storm's Metal Thunder or the Kell Hounds. Also the Ricol types can use mercenaries to increase their personal power, either through confrontation (I'm sure George Hasek hired some troops out of his own moneys to invade the CC) or politics (Casear Steiner having the One Eyed Jacks as an ace in the hole). Not to mention pure ego or adrenaline junkies.
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