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Re: Clans worlds and number of inhabitants
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2018, 05:45:06 PM »
Quote from: Bradshaw on November 27, 2018, 03:56:21 PM
Shocked by the amount of people Blood Spirit has though wouldn't have expected that must be people rich resource poor.

Not alot of people realize that and it is one of the things I intend to play up in the Salient Horizon setting. ;)
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Re: Clans worlds and number of inhabitants
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2018, 12:46:39 AM »
Quote from: Bradshaw on November 27, 2018, 03:56:21 PM
Wouldnt the % of what clan held what % of land on each planet change some over those 10 years. You'll never get an exact number anyway. Shocked by the amount of people Blood Spirit has though wouldn't have expected that must be people rich resource poor.

Yes but not that much (except for the Hellion's Furry).

And before I made the calculations, the Blood Spirits had officially in 3060 65,714,000. I boosted them a little (like all the Clans) to round things for 3050 but with a growth rate of 1.9% they still had 54,500,000 people in 3050.
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Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
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Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Clans worlds and number of inhabitants
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2018, 12:06:17 AM »
Quote from: Takiro on November 27, 2018, 06:29:13 AM
Wouldn't the numbers be the same if you did it by planet with the populations??

Normally yes but I looked and it doesn't match with the Clan population I have for 3060 (my basis).
We already spoke about Kirin and the Ghost Bears and you can add the Nova Cats and also the Burrocks and Smoke Jaguars (even if I guess that most of them were taken by the other Clans as written in sourcebooks).
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Clans worlds and number of inhabitants
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2018, 06:28:29 AM »
Makes you wonder about the Dark Caste population living on the Periphery of Clan space. I wonder how big it is??
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Re: Clans worlds and number of inhabitants
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2018, 09:49:06 AM »
I'd say no more than 5 million. When looking through the War of Reaving I looked at that a little. A handful of populated worlds and minor roving fleets.
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Re: Clans worlds and number of inhabitants
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2018, 04:32:35 PM »
Quote from: Ice Hellion on November 29, 2018, 12:06:17 AM
Quote from: Takiro on November 27, 2018, 06:29:13 AM
Wouldn't the numbers be the same if you did it by planet with the populations??

Normally yes but I looked and it doesn't match with the Clan population I have for 3060 (my basis).
We already spoke about Kirin and the Ghost Bears and you can add the Nova Cats and also the Burrocks and Smoke Jaguars (even if I guess that most of them were taken by the other Clans as written in sourcebooks).

I did the maths, If I go through the planets, I am missing between 300,000,000 and 400,000,000 people (depending if I am in 3050 or 3060).
There is probably something wrong with the data of several planets.
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Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Clans worlds and number of inhabitants
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2018, 05:06:00 PM »
Arent there quite a few planets no data has been published for
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Re: Clans worlds and number of inhabitants
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2018, 05:42:06 PM »
No, the Clan Homeworlds are completely listed from the Pentagon to the Kerensky Cluster.

Oh and now I remember what I wanted to ask you guys here. Population number for the Free Guilds?
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Re: Clans worlds and number of inhabitants
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2018, 06:35:15 AM »
Quote from: Takiro on November 29, 2018, 05:42:06 PM
Oh and now I remember what I wanted to ask you guys here. Population number for the Free Guilds?

Using the Belters in Jihad Hot Spots Terra and Interstellar Players as an example I want to establish a starting point (Strana Mechty circa 2800 from Operation Klondike) and grow their populace from that. Using the spacer example do you think their growth rate would be higher than the Clans or lower? I envision them as having the longest lifespan among the Clans but this may mean a lower birthrate given life in space. Thoughts??
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Re: Clans worlds and number of inhabitants
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2018, 06:13:54 PM »
Quote from: Takiro on November 30, 2018, 06:35:15 AM
Quote from: Takiro on November 29, 2018, 05:42:06 PM
Oh and now I remember what I wanted to ask you guys here. Population number for the Free Guilds?

Using the Belters in Jihad Hot Spots Terra and Interstellar Players as an example I want to establish a starting point (Strana Mechty circa 2800 from Operation Klondike) and grow their populace from that. Using the spacer example do you think their growth rate would be higher than the Clans or lower? I envision them as having the longest lifespan among the Clans but this may mean a lower birthrate given life in space. Thoughts??

Here are the official growth rate of the different Clans with an average of 2.1.%

Blood Spirit      1.90 %
Cloud Cobra      2.20 %
Coyote         1.90 %
Diamond Shark   2.80 %
Fire Mandrill      2.30 %
Ghost Bear      2.10 %
Goliath Scorpion   2.40 %
Hell’s Horses      2.10 %
Ice Hellion      3.10 %
Jade Falcon      2.60 %
Snow Raven      2.20 %
Star Adder      2.40 %
Steel Viper      1.80 %
Wolf                 2.30 %

Since they seem to be a big asset (just look at the reaction of everyone to Khan Crichell's proposal), I would not go under the average growth rate.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Clans worlds and number of inhabitants
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2018, 09:44:06 PM »
The Ice Hellions are a bunch of breeders  ;)
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Re: Clans worlds and number of inhabitants
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2018, 12:42:14 AM »
Quote from: Takiro on November 29, 2018, 05:42:06 PM
Oh and now I remember what I wanted to ask you guys here. Population number for the Free Guilds?

I will take a look at my numbers without forgetting this population (which I didn't take into account).
Perhaps, it might be a hint for my missing people.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Clans worlds and number of inhabitants
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2018, 06:37:45 AM »
Not a bad idea. I was going to come up with a starting population in 2800 as part of the Strana Mechty colony and carry it forward from there. The question is what should that starting population (space inhabitants) be in 2800 for the Clan homeworld?
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Re: Clans worlds and number of inhabitants
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2018, 12:54:59 PM »
I wouldn't think its a massive amount if you're limiting it to Strana Mechty it doesn't even have the largest space station in the Clan space. I'd say 2-3 million at most and thats a lot
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Re: Clans worlds and number of inhabitants
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2018, 04:18:50 PM »
Quote from: Bradshaw on December 05, 2018, 12:54:59 PM
I wouldn't think its a massive amount if you're limiting it to Strana Mechty it doesn't even have the largest space station in the Clan space. I'd say 2-3 million at most and thats a lot

Taking 2,000,000 in 2800 and applying the 2.1% growth rate gives you a population of more than 360 millions people in 3050.

I went the other way around.
Since I have an estimation of the Clan population in 3060 with also a 3050 estimate, I decided to get back to the population of each planet and saw I was missing a lot of people (circa 400,000,000).
Assuming that the absorbed Clans are just that, ie part of other Clans and getting back to my estimate of Clan Nova Cat and Clan Ghost Bear, I found out that in 3060, there could be something around 218,700,000 Free Guilders and 176,900,000 in 3050, which would make them the most numerous part of the Clans.
However, this is assuming that in my files, they are assigned to one Clan or another (otherwise I would have a problem and I would need to redo all the maths).
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5
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