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Re: Death of the TH
« Reply #45 on: May 27, 2012, 01:21:38 PM »

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Re: Death of the TH
« Reply #46 on: May 27, 2012, 07:02:05 PM »

For me the fall of the TH was fine, Amaris gutted it when he took over then Kerensky finished the job, the planets were so shell-shocked they couldn't really stand as a nation - they felt betrayed by the Star League for failing to see Amaris, they were likely angry at the Camerons for allowing it to happen.

The thing I was most displeased about was the rehash Hegemony formed by Stone which became the Republic.  They pretty much said it was for the same reasons as the fall of the TH but in reverse Stone took the worlds because they were so battered down and felt like the House Lords had abandoned them.

Talk about running out of ideas.  I'm not actually sure if there was much else they could have done straight after the Jihad but the Succession Lords giving up claims to dozens of worlds was just a pain - then the disarmament after 2 new TROs and a new Field Manual was a pain - the last big FM update came just after the Civil War and just before the Jihad.

This one has come as everyone becomes farmers!!

As for the off topic discussion here the Civil War/Katherine & Victor storyline was trouble from the start.  We all knew that the FedCom wouldn't survive from day one.  It was a nice idea to give Hanse Davion one last great achievement but the united Lyran Commonwealth and Federated Suns nations was a step too far I think.  It did however make the Commonwealth strong enough to survive the Clan War.

The CBT writers I think realized it as well as almost as soon as the nation was formed they were looking for reasons to break it.  Victor and Katherine had a fair bit to do with it but I think it could have been done cleaner.

In my own timeline I broke the two without an all out civil war Victor using his powers with the SLDF to separate his Davion loyal troops from Katherine's Lyrans during the build up for crushing the Jaguars - basically badges all his FedSuns forces in the Lyran Alliance as SLDF troops giving him ultimate control over them regardless of Katherine's wishes.  He simultaneously sends the Lyrans in the FedSuns home to take up the garrisons on the Clan border allowing his troops to come home.

I then gave Yvonne some backbone to resist Katherine and added Field Marshal Jackson Davion to her staff - why he didn't stand up for Yvonne in the canon I don't know they are family his First Prince gave the responsibility to Yvonne he should have seen that Katherine was in the wrong and had no military service so legally couldn't take the title First Prince(ss)

In my what if The two nations dissolved and finally Katherine was deposed by a resurgent Peter Steiner-Davion supported by Morgan Kell and the Wolves.

All in all same result but tidier.  Now that I've derailed the topic completely I'll go sit in the corner.
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Re: Death of the TH
« Reply #47 on: May 27, 2012, 07:39:41 PM »

The thing I was most displeased about was the rehash Hegemony formed by Stone which became the Republic.  They pretty much said it was for the same reasons as the fall of the TH but in reverse Stone took the worlds because they were so battered down and felt like the House Lords had abandoned them.

Not quite. Both the Stewart and the Capellan Confederation put up a pretty good fight. In Stewart's case the local defenders were simply out matched and overwhelmed, but the Confederation caused all sorts of problems for quite some time. Neither one of these states just handed over their worlds without a scrap.

From what I understand, being absorbed by the Republic wasn't universally accepted by the citizens of former Protectorate/TH/DC, etc. worlds either, but after seeing the benefits of Stone's rule in rebuilding their homes the Republic won over the worst of the anti-Republic haters.   

As for the disarmament, that was something CGL had little control over - being the purview of WizKids. I'm getting the sense that it's being glossed over and passed as soon as possible to help bring the universe of the 3100s closer to what "Classic" BattleTech players would be familiar with and enjoy.

FM: 3085's quick section on economics through the 3080s and beyond is what kinda leads me to believe TPTB want to rush through the already written stuff and get to new material. It's not science, just a feeling.   
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Re: Death of the TH
« Reply #48 on: May 27, 2012, 07:52:28 PM »

can't blame them
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Re: Death of the TH
« Reply #49 on: May 27, 2012, 08:18:58 PM »

Me either. It was simply too much for Stewart. They were beaten before the first shots were fired, but the Cappies...well, they did what they could.

And if you think about it, old Capellan worlds were the only ones likely to cause real trouble any way. Republican rule is similar to the Commonwealth or Suns, so their populations wouldn't notice a major difference, while long-time Combine planets would follow the directions of their Coordinator and be docile enough to begin with that a flag change is likely to go unnoticed. Heck, maybe even appreciated after a couple of years under a less strict regime. Point being, between Skye's volunteering and the DC's decision to just let go, the Republic had its works cut out for them. 

ex-Free Worlds are a coin toss. Some will chafe like Stewart, but others, like those that suffered under the Word or their FWL allies will likely see the Republic as a way to have a greater voice in their future.   
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