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Death of the TH
« on: May 16, 2012, 09:54:57 PM »
I've got a question that has always kind of bugged me.  The planets of the TH are the most advanced in the IS and the TH is the strongest, wealthiest, and oldest state in the IS.  But  after the Amaris Coup, the Exodus, and then the beginning of the 1SW the TH ceases to exist.  All of it's worlds fall under the control of the different SS, with the exception of Terra.  And that's where its left (at least from my limited reading of BT material).  No grumbling for a return of the TH.  No prestige for the old TH planets.  So what's the deal?  Did the ending of the Cameron line, Amaris' Coup, and Kerensky's liberation so devastate the TH worlds that there was just nothing and no one left to put back any of the pieces?  Did the Coup, liberation, and Exodus so gut the TH worlds that there just wasn't anyone left to care?  Did the centuries of SWs and emigration so dilute the TH populations of the worlds that they lost their identities?
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Re: Death of the TH
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2012, 10:02:15 PM »
Identities? No. Everything else you mentioned...pretty much.
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Re: Death of the TH
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2012, 06:13:21 AM »
Tossing around the idea of doing a Terran Hegemony fanbook.
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Re: Death of the TH
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2012, 01:54:11 PM »
Quote from: Takiro on May 17, 2012, 06:13:21 AM
Tossing around the idea of doing a Terran Hegemony fanbook.

Sounds like an idea  :)
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Re: Death of the TH
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2012, 04:44:41 PM »
Quote from: Takiro on May 17, 2012, 06:13:21 AM
Tossing around the idea of doing a Terran Hegemony fanbook.

Was that a question or a statement?
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Re: Death of the TH
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2012, 06:38:52 PM »
Statement. Since I did FM Terran Republic 2785 and concentrated mainly on the military development of Terra throughout the ages I always wanted to go back and do a House SB on the Hegemony. Breakdown its government, society, economy and the like. With new sources like LoT and JHS Terra I could definitely go for a canon only fan made book.
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Re: Death of the TH
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2012, 10:55:02 PM »
Quote from: Cestusrex on May 16, 2012, 09:54:57 PM
I've got a question that has always kind of bugged me.  The planets of the TH are the most advanced in the IS and the TH is the strongest, wealthiest, and oldest state in the IS.

Were the strongest and wealthiest.  Most of them were bombed back into the stone age during the coup.

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No grumbling for a return of the TH.

Why would there be?  It was run by a string of increasingly horrible incompetents (the Camerons), it failed to protect its people from being conquered by a tin-pot dictator, and the one man who had the power to set it right walked out on them like a dead-beat dad!  Why would anyone clamor for something that's done them so wrong?

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No prestige for the old TH planets.

Hard to lord your prestige over others from a crater full of glowing rocks. 


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Did the ending of the Cameron line, Amaris' Coup, and Kerensky's liberation so devastate the TH worlds that there was just nothing and no one left to put back any of the pieces? 

In a word, yes.


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Did the Coup, liberation, and Exodus so gut the TH worlds that there just wasn't anyone left to care?

Comstar.  I assume you don't count them?

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Did the centuries of SWs and emigration so dilute the TH populations of the worlds that they lost their identities?

What's there to be proud of?  "Yeah, we screwed up royally and bombed ourselves out of existence before being bombed again by everyone else."?  Yeah. 
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Re: Death of the TH
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2012, 01:27:38 AM »
I like that idea
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Re: Death of the TH
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2012, 07:02:20 AM »
MadCap summed that up nicely.
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Re: Death of the TH
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2012, 07:12:47 AM »
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Re: Death of the TH
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2012, 07:39:32 AM »
MadCapellan for Chancellor.
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Re: Death of the TH
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2012, 08:44:24 AM »
Well that is a bit harsh MadCap but one cannot argue with alot of your points. The Hegemony had become internationalized to a large extent by the Star League. Its rich and powerful nobles intermingled with nearby Great Houses. The families of the State Administrators of the BSLA (the Brewers, the Greens, etc.) can be found in their various InnerSphere Houses in 3025. Not mention others like the Achernars, the Sirian Lancers, the Northwind Highlanders, the Deneb Light Cavalry can also be found. The pieces of the Hegemony are there for all to see. These various regional hegemonists casts their lot with the Great House who was closest or acceptable.
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Re: Death of the TH
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2012, 10:30:31 AM »
It's not that the people of the Hegemony disappeared entirely so much that the idea of a unified Terra-centric government, particularly in the form it had previously held, became a poorly regarded idea. 

Who would legitimately wish the Camerons back?  Even if they did, where would they find any?  Was there really anyone else acceptable to be Director General?  Even if there was, wouldn't they simply end up lording over an impoverished rump state being slowly devoured by it's powerful neighbors?  We do know that a handful of former Hegemony worlds opposed annexation by the Great Houses, and were generally met with orbital nuclear fire.  Even if the entirety of the sixteen unaccounted SLDF divisions united behind the defense of the Hegemony, it is unlikely they could have kept it from being conquered. 

It was far better for the livelihood of the inhabitants of those worlds to sign on willingly with an acceptable Great House, and gain the benefits of their (then) more intact economies and infrastructures and militaries to defend them than to hold out hope for a rag-tag band of survivors of the greatest clash of arms in human history to be able to defend the sovereignty of their bombed out, irradiated rocks so that they can continue to live in abject poverty in a post-apocalyptic wasteland of their own creation.
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Re: Death of the TH
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2012, 04:18:46 PM »
Spot on MadCapellan except you ignore the obvious conclusion that lead to the creation of the Blakist Protectorate and the Republic of the Sphere in canon. The Hegemony worlds became a battle ground for the Houses. Ground zero for the Succession Wars. Their central locations became prime targets for enemies to lash out at each other which breed more destruction. These central worlds of humanity went from the highest population centers at the nexus of almost every trade route to bombed out shells worse then Amaris left in his wake. Continual fighting over these worlds lead to resentment against the Great Houses by a people who remembered far better days of self rule. Enter the Blakist and Stone - the results speak for themselves.
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Re: Death of the TH
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2012, 04:25:51 PM »
Much the way Rasalhague nationalism was temporarily suppressed and eventually resurfaced with enough force to make it a reality again.  The lack of viable heirs from the original leaders didn't stop any of that -- though it would have likely been a spur to the revitalization of Rasalhague nationalism faster & stronger than what we ended up with.  And Rasalhague was conquered by the Combine well before the formation of the Star League, so the TH -- as the Protectorate & Republic -- saw a resurgence much faster than Rasalhague.
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