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Field Manual SLDF
« on: July 13, 2012, 06:43:41 AM »

Got this bad boy and am cruising through.  The front part - organisation, training, uniforms etc. seems to rely heavily on the old SL sourcebook but adds in nice littel bits here and there that you would miss on a quick skim. However, many newbies have no idea about the SL book, so it will be all new to them. I have not got to the force briefs, which will be largely all new, so looking forward to that.
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Re: Field Manual SLDF
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2012, 07:01:22 AM »

Haven't decided PDF or dead tree depends on street date I guess
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Re: Field Manual SLDF
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2012, 07:02:57 AM »

This should be fun and informative
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Re: Field Manual SLDF
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2012, 07:20:25 AM »

Quote of the night so far:

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All three regiments of the 71st Brigade are heavy assult regiments, and each is built around two full battalions of 100-ton Pillager BattleMechs.
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2012, 07:31:31 AM »

Quote of the night so far:

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That's nasty
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Re: Field Manual SLDF
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2012, 02:08:49 PM »

this is why Herb Beas is a genius.

on his facebook page he states
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"I have to say I can only get SO pissed off here; the SLDF was a boring-as-church notion when we finally got into detailing it. A super-massive, nigh invincible military, with no major conflicts under its belt except the oppression of much weaker states, an we had to go and DESCRIBE all of it....

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"Writer suggests FM: SLDF Supplemental that lists off the entire SLDF down to the division, complete with loyalty/experience ratings and such, and maps to show each division, individually.

My response: " NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONNONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONOONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I followed up with the typical straw man argument of product ideas some fan puts on the board
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hmmmmmm but at least one fan demands it, which as we all know means EVERY Battletech fan wants it. and you should follow the money [/sarcasm]

From Herb
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The one fan who demands it can be counted on to pay the $5 for the PDF-exclusive that we will need months of continuity and at least $1,000 to produce? I *am* following the money!
« Last Edit: July 13, 2012, 02:09:37 PM by JPArbiter »
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2012, 08:09:06 PM »

True :)     When I was going over the pdf that they have on the website I noticed that page 36 shows 25 Lams in space. Whoa baby is that a patrol or what. Also the Terran RCT is comprised of four different types of units. Most RCT's are made up of Light Horse Regiments.
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Re: Field Manual SLDF
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2012, 08:19:33 PM »

Going over it now. I noticed under the section for explaining division nicknames that it bears some remarkable parallels to what Takiro wrote in FM: Terran Republic.  ;)
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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2012, 08:54:13 PM »

Yeah they read it and are now stealing all his good work. BOO BOO  >:(  >:(  >:(  :P
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Re: Field Manual SLDF
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2012, 09:11:36 PM »

TPTB make avoid fan fiction like the plague, saves legal hassels. What your seeing is BT's own convergent evolution.
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2012, 09:53:48 PM »

Right and Terra is square  ::)   :P   :o
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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2012, 11:00:28 PM »

Going over it now. I noticed under the section for explaining division nicknames that it bears some remarkable parallels to what Takiro wrote in FM: Terran Republic.  ;)

I noticed that too FSL but it was a plausible explanation that quite candidly might not have been my idea. FM TR was built over time with extensive input from the entire BattleTech community. Of course I liked seeing the idea canonized and above all I'm flattered by your loving memory of my fanfic. ;) Blacknova is quite right though as previous incidents have soured TPTB using intellectual property "created" by fans. Can't say I blame them as it is sad really gotta hate lawyers. There are small differences but gotta say I loved to see the SLDF Nickname explanation even if it is a little different from FM TR.

Also gotta say reading this new tome gives me ideas for the revision of FM TR. Love the maps in the back!
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Re: Field Manual SLDF
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2012, 11:15:43 PM »

TPTB make avoid fan fiction like the plague, saves legal hassels. What your seeing is BT's own convergent evolution.

case in point was a guy who tried to claim the Hammerhands was his idea, even though his mech was more like a souped up emperor with the latest and greatest in technology, including Ultra 10s, pulse lasers targeting computers and blah blah blah.

back to this book.  I can not help but notice just how.. I dunno, BORING this tome is.  Herb said it best in the above post.  a hyper massive army, untested, and with a huge ego problem.  no great battles, no history for most of the SLDF, no traditions worth a damn, no stories or exploits.

case in point.  the vaunted 331st Royal Battlemech Division, claimed to be one of the most Elite in the SLDF.  but they have NOTHING but training exercises to prove it (and they never won a martial olympiad)

compared to the Field Manuals from a Decade ago... this just lacks that element that made the houses militaries storied.
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Re: Field Manual SLDF
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2012, 11:36:31 PM »

Going over it now. I noticed under the section for explaining division nicknames that it bears some remarkable parallels to what Takiro wrote in FM: Terran Republic.  ;)

I noticed that too FSL but it was a plausible explanation that quite candidly might not have been my idea. FM TR was built over time with extensive input from the entire BattleTech community. Of course I liked seeing the idea canonized and above all I'm flattered by your loving memory of my fanfic. ;) Blacknova is quite right though as previous incidents have soured TPTB using intellectual property "created" by fans. Can't say I blame them as it is sad really gotta hate lawyers. There are small differences but gotta say I loved to see the SLDF Nickname explanation even if it is a little different from FM TR.

Also gotta say reading this new tome gives me ideas for the revision of FM TR. Love the maps in the back!

Regardless of where it originally came from, it was a novel idea for explaining how unit titles in the SLDF work.

That aside, my primary feelings on the book are mixed, but mostly positive. A lot of good, new stuff in there, way more than can be digested in a full sitting; it does a lot to make the SLDF come to life in the same way previous field manuals did for the other militaries. Definitely some gaps in coverage though, and some very disappointing regurgitation of text from the SL SB with almost no updates to more obscure units like the Special Forces Command and CAAN Regiments. No new color plates for the uniforms either. That and some of the information presented seems poorly linked or downright contradictory to what was presented in ER: 2750.

The rules annex was the biggest letdown in my opinion. Very short and it tired too hard to cram all that information into eight pages. Even more noticeable was the lack of info on general force abilities, which are found in LoT Vol. I. It just kind of rubs me the wrong way that they would do that, splitting critical information on generating a SLDF unit into two separate books. The Field Manual is supposed to be the last word on this kind of thing, and they dropped the ball there.

This book was hardly skimpy at 260 pages, but I also feel it could have used another 50 pages or so. You could have addressed just about everything you needed to with the extra length (both in-universe and out), and still avoid it from being excessively bloated.

Considering I've been dreaming of a book like this for a good 15 years or so, I have to say it was well worth the money in spite of its flaws. It's arguably one of the strongest products Catalyst has put out in the past few years, and it has some worthy competition in that regard. I think in time it will become as well regarded as the original Star League SB.

And while I doubt he will ever read this, I will say that Herb should not be so quick to dismiss a "FM: SLDF Supplemental " or whatever. I think you could still do a lot with the SLDF without removing all of the mystery, and I would pay decent money to see such a book written.

Anyway, I'll submit a more detailed review once I've gone over the book more thoroughly.
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Re: Field Manual SLDF
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2012, 01:09:24 AM »

It's not terrible but I don't think the writers brought their A game to this one. Several gripes and occasions when they clearly forgot they were writing something supposedly written pre-coup.
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