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Re: The Hidden
« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2014, 02:42:55 PM »
good point good point.

Now about Apollyon's Key...
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Re: The Hidden
« Reply #46 on: September 25, 2014, 02:48:57 AM »
Quote from: JPArbiter on September 24, 2014, 02:42:55 PM
Now about Apollyon's Key...

What about it?

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Re: The Hidden
« Reply #47 on: September 25, 2014, 09:13:50 AM »
questions I want to ask but know I will not get a straint answer on.  all I know is that had any power managed to take Gibson instead of Sterlizing it or captured Berith or Appollyon without them suiciding that the Manei Domini would not have been ghosts hanging over the inner sphere.

granted I LIKE the Domini Ghosting like they did, I am just curiuous about this particular plot device.
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« Reply #48 on: September 25, 2014, 06:06:28 PM »
Heh.

The fact is, the only way to gain Apollyon's Key would have been to capture Apollyon himself (or Berith, after he received a copy) without them activating a suicide implant that would have destroyed it. The Key would then have allowed its user to disable or destroy any and all Manei Domini operatives via remote signals--including those relayed through HPGs. It was literally the kill-switch to ALL Manei Domini, everywhere. (But NOT the Thuggee Domini, nor any of the augmented troops who followed Cameron St. Jamais.)

But, you know, glassing Gibson was a good secondary option, if one is in a hurry....

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Re: The Hidden
« Reply #49 on: September 25, 2014, 06:58:23 PM »
As I said, letting Berith and half the Shadows just disappear was a much better alternative then the "Independence Day" option.
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« Reply #50 on: September 25, 2014, 07:35:54 PM »
I missed it.  What is the source material for Apollyon's key?
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Re: The Hidden
« Reply #51 on: September 25, 2014, 08:02:39 PM »
Quote from: muttley on September 25, 2014, 07:35:54 PM
I missed it.  What is the source material for Apollyon's key?

Me, I suppose. We may have dropped hints in prior books, but I kind of don't remember which ones any more.

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Re: The Hidden
« Reply #52 on: September 25, 2014, 08:24:18 PM »
Quote from: Habeas2 on September 25, 2014, 06:06:28 PM
Heh.

The fact is, the only way to gain Apollyon's Key would have been to capture Apollyon himself (or Berith, after he received a copy) without them activating a suicide implant that would have destroyed it. The Key would then have allowed its user to disable or destroy any and all Manei Domini operatives via remote signals--including those relayed through HPGs. It was literally the kill-switch to ALL Manei Domini, everywhere. (But NOT the Thuggee Domini, nor any of the augmented troops who followed Cameron St. Jamais.)

But, you know, glassing Gibson was a good secondary option, if one is in a hurry....

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Why am I not surprised that the Manei Domini had a kill switch - they get out of control, become useless or complete their objectives and switch things go back to normal.  Cold and calculating sounds like the Manei Domini I like it
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« Reply #53 on: September 25, 2014, 08:43:46 PM »
With the exception of very few members (in fact, only one or two come to mind), the Manei Domini simply did not break ranks. The remote-kill option was instead a feature built in to aid teams in ensuring their partners were not captured unless mission specifics allowed for it. A Domini team of two or more would receive an objective, and some would stay in reserve, observing the situation. If a Domini became incapacitated in a way that somehow did not auto-trigger his suicide implants, his partner--entrusted with the codes for only his teammates--could initiate the self-destruct remotely.

Teamwork, not control!

Of course, this same system would be used on the "operatives" whose augmentations were somewhat less voluntary, later, such as one ex-Circinian pirate in particular...

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Re: The Hidden
« Reply #54 on: September 25, 2014, 11:51:26 PM »
Thanks Herb!  Another reason why the MD & WoB make such great villains!
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« Reply #55 on: September 28, 2014, 03:39:35 AM »
Quote from: muttley on September 25, 2014, 11:51:26 PM
Thanks Herb!  Another reason why the MD & WoB make such great villains!

I'll second that it's quite a smart way of it as well especially since there fanatics and crazy enough for it
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Really, as long as there is an unbroken line of people calling themselves "Clan Nova Cat," it doesn't really matter to me if they're still using Iron Wombs or not. They may be dead as a faction, but as a people they still exist. It's not uncommon in the real world, after all.
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