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Re: I like the dark age... and not afraid to admit it.
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2012, 07:18:10 PM »

Okay, I've obviously touched a nerve.  I shall now remove the forceps from the subject's central nervous system (or is that a subprocessor?) and leave the nurses to close up.  But I'm keeping the term CrapTech; it describes the OS missile systems ("You mean I get to carry around almost all the weight of a standard missile system and I only get to use it once?  What's not to love?") and proto-Mechs ("All the draw backs of a Mech and none of the benefits of battle armor?  How could that be a technological, or playability, dead end?") too well.

Umm...one shot missile systems didn't show up in the Jihad. They've been around for multiple editions of BT now. ProtoMechs also date back to before the Jihad. And I'd also be curious if you ever fought against them or used them. Protos are nasty little units, not at all like what you're describing. So what exactly does this have to do with Jihad or Dark Age?

I'm also curious why you continue to avoid the point about insulting other fans and driving people away, which you apparently want to sarcastically link a legitimate concern to a joking Manei Domini reference.
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Re: I like the dark age... and not afraid to admit it.
« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2012, 07:41:12 PM »

Also read through my posts, any of my posts, and find one that can be taken seriously.  I don't take myself seriously, so why should anyone else?  Maybe I need to use more emoticons.

I guess you and I view humor a bit differently. I'm also not sure what the point would be of having no serious posts whatsoever. I mean, we've probably all had our hay-day of trolling at one time or another. Then I turned 20.

See, this is what makes me a sad panda. I'm actually interested to hear your thoughts on why you don't like it. As a tinker, I find those conversations interesting, because it gives me thoughts on various changes or tweaks. I look at it as a challenge. "Can I make a Dark Age X would enjoy?" My own statements about the 3rd Succession War, earlier in the thread, made me start thinking the same thing. Can I make an early BT AU that actually flips my lid? I guess I'd just rather stir up discussion, rather than controversy.
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Re: I like the dark age... and not afraid to admit it.
« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2012, 07:50:11 PM »

But I'm keeping the term CrapTech.

Alright, the axe is coming down now.

I don't normally step in or moderate forum conversations. Frankly, I'm a firm believer in letting everyone have their say. However, I draw the line when you leave the realm of constructive criticism for disenfranchised gripe. That's for another board - one located at the bottom of this forum.

There are better ways to explain your frustrations or disapproval of certain aspects of BattleTech without insulting the game, or fans with disagreeing viewpoints. Using the term "CrapTech" is not one of those ways. In this thread or any other thread where conversational courtesy is in being exercised it will not be an accepted means of conduct. 

Take it to the flame retardant troll boards.

Note: I'm not going to lock this board, but turn it around folks. It's all fun and games till Knightmare gets offended. Then it's smack down time.

Thank you for your time.   
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Re: I like the dark age... and not afraid to admit it.
« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2012, 08:48:45 AM »

My apologizes to anyone whom I may have inadvertanly offended.  (I think that made grammatical sense).  I was trying, apparently without success, to add my usual tongue-firmly-implanted-in-cheek two cents to the discussion.  At least it was topical.  As the former unofficial semiprofessional master of thread drift over on S7 I could have gotten this thread way off topic.  KM knows, he and others used my services whenever CHIP or any of his incarnations appeared on that board.  Which reminds me of a time when I was a boy.  I was heading down to the 5 and dime to get a piece of rope to tie an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time.  But before I could get there the Kaiser jumped out and stole my wallet.  I chased that Kaiser dickety-ought miles, we had to use dickety because the Kaiser had stolen our word for twenty.  Where was I?  Oh, yeah.  Like I said, I was heading to the 5 and dime to get a piece of rope to tie an onion to my belt, which was the style at the.... ahhh, poop nuggets.  I went and started the thread drift.  Now I've got to apologize again.

PS I know that OS missiles don't date from the DA.  I was just mentioning stuff off the top of my head.  Two kids, two jobs, no time, and no one locally that plays BT doesn't allow me to get into the ins and outs of BT like it did 10 or 15 years ago.  The King of the Thread Drift Trolls has spoken!  End transmission.
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Re: I like the dark age... and not afraid to admit it.
« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2012, 10:23:14 AM »

Just out curiosity Cestus, what is the last rule book/sourcebook you have at your disposal? Have you read through the Tech Manual or TacOps?

What about the Blakists Documents, JHS: Terra or Jihad: Final Reckoning? They're awesome reads and do quite a bit to really give life to this period in the universe.
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« Reply #35 on: June 15, 2012, 10:38:59 AM »

Not sure if you're into the PDF route (I suggest it, simply because it's cheaper, particularly for a book you may not find to your liking), but if you want some rather solid info on Terra and its history, JHS: Terra has a great section that presents a view into Terran life throughout history. Setting aside the Jihad information, I've found that section rather useful and eye-opening for ideas at various points in BT history. The idea that Terrans were not starting families until well in their 70's or later has some pretty interesting ramifications.
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« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2012, 10:25:50 AM »

The last soucrebook I read was the original SLSB.  So that puts me pretty far out of the loop.  I do have several, okay quite a few, SBs in pdf form given to me by an anonymous donor but there's this time issue I have.  Like I don't have any.  I've had Kierkegaard's The Sickness unto Death since Christmas and still haven't had a chance to read it.

PS Sorry I haven't been around for a couple of days but I was in New Orleans with my brother-in-law and his family.  Four adults, our 5 year old and 2 year old, and their 4 year old and 1 year old.  We hit the Audubon Aquarium, Insectarium, and Zoo Friday and Saturday.  I'm still tired.
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« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2012, 11:04:29 AM »

The last soucrebook I read was the original SLSB.

The most recent sourcebook you've read was published in 1988, or that is simply the one sourcebook that you've read most recently? If the former, I'm not even sure how you recognize anything about the game. It's had 24 years of evolution. I'm also a little amazed that you'd stick around with a community for a game that you haven't followed in 24 years. If the latter, what's the most recently published sourcebook you own and have read?
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Re: I like the dark age... and not afraid to admit it.
« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2012, 11:44:48 AM »

The last soucrebook I read was the original SLSB.

The most recent sourcebook you've read was published in 1988, or that is simply the one sourcebook that you've read most recently? If the former, I'm not even sure how you recognize anything about the game. It's had 24 years of evolution. I'm also a little amazed that you'd stick around with a community for a game that you haven't followed in 24 years.


If that's true Cestus, I'm seriously impressed with your commitment to this game. But I totally understand how a lack of time can play Mary Poppins on your ability to read any meaningful amount of text. Kinda sucks really, since the newer sourcebooks are pretty awesome.

Out of curiosity, what PDF sourcebooks do you currently own?
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Re: I like the dark age... and not afraid to admit it.
« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2012, 05:00:11 PM »

CestusRex,

I can understand how you could get a really warped perspective of the Jihad/Dark Age via internet hearsay, but I have to encourage you to actually try reading the source material before making such a strong judgement about it. 

Wizkids initial marketing of the whole setting was god awful, but when I actually got around to reading the novels and understanding what was actually supposed to be going on in universe, not just the mindless dribble they put in their sales bills, I realized that the Dark Age era actually resembled the Succession Wars era a lot more than it first seemed to, that the Republic wasn't the magical white hat it first appeared to be, and that in reality, the Dark Age was actually about as close as we'd ever come to my ideal setting - the Succession Wars with new tech. 

I strongly urge you to give the setting another go.  I think you might find that the Republic crumbles like the crooked house of cards it is and that things quickly get back to House beating on House just like it should be!
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« Reply #40 on: June 18, 2012, 05:14:45 PM »

SLSB was just the one I read most recently, about 8 months ago.  I've read quite a few and have many in pdf form.  I read the first few DA novels, took one look at clicky-tech, and got out of the pool.
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Re: I like the dark age... and not afraid to admit it.
« Reply #41 on: June 18, 2012, 06:43:35 PM »

SLSB was just the one I read most recently, about 8 months ago.  I've read quite a few and have many in pdf form.  I read the first few DA novels, took one look at clicky-tech, and got out of the pool.

The novels do get better - "clicky-tech" doesn't but we have stats for a lot of the units now so we could play classic games in the DA period.

The WizKids game is dead, the future of the DA is Catalyst's as Knightmare said the last few source books for that were roaring reads.  I'm looking forward to what they do with it.
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Re: I like the dark age... and not afraid to admit it.
« Reply #42 on: June 18, 2012, 07:47:22 PM »

I've never had much of a problem with the Jihad per se, my problem has always been with the Word of Blake. If the Jihad had been carried out by a unified ComStar. I would complain a lot less. Like Knightmare said, some of the Jihad material is very good.

Dark Age? I'm still not so familiar with it, but so far the idea of returning to Succession war-era with advanced tech is attractive. My objections have to do with dismal novels. Sorry, I thought Bonfire of Worlds was poorly written, but I don't hold the Dark Age setting responsible for that.
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Re: I like the dark age... and not afraid to admit it.
« Reply #43 on: June 18, 2012, 09:24:23 PM »

To honest lucho, we're not in the Dark Age yet. Right now we're just getting through the intermediate period between the end of the Jihad and the "Republic"-era. After the Republic era (which isn't super long) we hit the Dark Age. Something I'm hoping CGL breezes through so we can get to the good stuff circa 3150s and beyond.
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« Reply #44 on: June 18, 2012, 09:49:56 PM »

True, I was talking about the Bonfire of Worlds setting, when it and the other novels take place. It seems ok, but I'm not really in a hurry to get there yet.
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