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But for the Clans, reaching Terra is the supreme goal, the one that will recreate the Star League.
Why?
Because it is in their culture.

Actually here I disagree, the whole whoever captures Terra is the ilClan came later and I think it would fit perfectly in their culture to leave terra until the end and then have the clans compete in its invasion.

I'm not trying to claim the canon clans could do this just that better leadership in the clans could have conceivably pulled it off, a lot of times people use the presence of a better or more forward thinking leader in an AU to pull off something cool with a faction in the inner sphere but for some reason even people who like AUs won't allow themselves to see how the clans could have been run better, its very peculiar.

Quote from: Blacknova on July 28, 2011, 06:52:15 AM

Is that story on this site, as it was sweet.

No, but it's on ff.net here

Thanks.  It was actually your story that inspired me to have a Star Adder ilKhan lead the invasion.  So basically any success the Clans have in the KU can be laid directly at your feet.

Quote from: drakensis on July 28, 2011, 05:37:00 PM

Quote from: Blacknova on July 28, 2011, 06:52:15 AM

Is that story on this site, as it was sweet.

No, but it's on ff.net here

Is there/will there be any more to that one?

Are there stats for the:

Fang Battle Armour
Long Fang Battle Armour
Asp ProtoMech

Either here or CBT?  If no could you add them, I like sound of all... 

Posted for you here

That goes back as far as Invading Clans sourcebook, perhaps even earlier. Heck, it goes back to the novels that introduced the Clans. That's the first I've ever heard that their interest in Terra was added later.

Terra being the target was first revealed in the novel Blood Legacy, published in 1990; the Invading Clan Sourcebook didn't come out until 1995, after several more novels were written.  ICSB is internally dated to 3058, and really intended to detail the situation in the Clan occupation zones following the Refusal War. 

In that case, Invading Clans may not be the book you want; I didn't find any references to the ilClan within its pages, but the earlier Wolf Clan sourcebook has the following:

Nicholas Kerensky had proclaimed that whichever Clan conquered Terra in the name of the Clans would become the "ilClan," and that its senior Khan would become ilKhan for life, with the right to appoint his or her successor from the ilClan.  Nicholas Kerensky clearly intended the invasion of the Inner Sphere to be a test to determine from which Clan the First Lords of a resurrected Star League would descend.

No line of a Remembrance is cited, nor is it a direct quote from Little Nicky.  But it is presented as fact, rather than a massaging of cryptic sentences by the Crusaders.  YMMV.

Okay you guys are not getting me, I'm not trying to claim that Terra wasn't the goal of the invasion and/or that the concept of the ilClan weren't already in place before the Crusader/Warden debate, etc. i Canon.

What I am trying to say is the early clans didn't have all that dogmatic shit (operation KLONDIKE the sourcebook does not contain the word ilClan for instance) and you could very easily have a very similar culture without the stupidity and closed-mindedness in an Alternate Universe.

Again people get very defensive if anyone tries to mention anything different about the clans even in an AU friendly place like this, its quite peculiar. If I wanted to change an IS state a little people wouldn't freak but the clans they do.

See, I wasn't sure what you were talking about either at first. This is very clear, and I totally agree. I tend not to put much stock in some of the older sourcebooks if a newer one (even with retcons) is present. Sadly, there isn't much in the way of a "modern" Clan sourcebook for quite some time. WOR will be the first "modern" Clan-only sourcebook for quite some time. Interestingly, Golden Century didn't mention the ilClan...while JHS:Terra does in so many words.

I personally think it's one of the least established facts in BattleTech. IF Nicholas really did make the statement word for word, then there's no questioning his true intent. There would be no Warden/Crusader debate. If the Great Father spoke the words, it's done. So given the fact there are Wardens and Crusaders, well...it casts some doubt on the authenticity of the Crusader's claim IMO. Either that, of the writers really dropped the ball.