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What I am trying to say is the early clans didn't have all that dogmatic shit (operation KLONDIKE the sourcebook does not contain the word ilClan for instance) and you could very easily have a very similar culture without the stupidity and closed-mindedness in an Alternate Universe.

Again people get very defensive if anyone tries to mention anything different about the clans even in an AU friendly place like this, its quite peculiar. If I wanted to change an IS state a little people wouldn't freak but the clans they do.

Not really. The SLDF in Exile is not doomed to become the Clans over and over.
It is always interesting to see something else.

That is true. They in one instant might actually become what Aleksandr Kerensky had envisioned. A true Star League the rightful heir to what was hoped and dreamed.

I wrote (a rather long) post about on the blog, and all it did was review some of the basic cultural problems that ultimately led to the Exodus Civil Wars - i.e. places where General Kerensky made some mistakes.

Don't get me wrong, it's pure conjecture with a healthy dose of theory, but takes what's been published into account.

I always thought that if they became the SLDF again, it is squandering a fantastic storyline. You don't go that far away, with that many issues, and just come back the same as what you were when you left.

True but they could become a new Star League or something else.

Even with the two factions, they could return as the Clans of the Star Warders. Holding to the ideals of the Clans and the SLDF, a balanced new set of codes to follow incorporating the besat of both! It is still incanon but also a new way for the Clans!

Personally, I'm a big fan of the Clans and their culture. It's a proverbial mess and being the outgrowth of an artificial development cycle, surprisingly robust (more or less) even after renewed long term contact with alien societies. Honestly, I'm more surprised at how long it took the Wars of Reaving to happen, rather than the fact that they did...

Really interesting way of presenting it. 

Clearly "delusional" is something the genemasters have bred for.

But the Clans were not the Star League so what would they be creating?  Basically the Clan Worlds writ large.

Anyway I had my own idea for an AU that would basically have started just after Tukkayid.  In it the Crusaders would have wiped out the Wardens in the Home Worlds and severely hitting them in the IS.  So the Wolves, Nova Cats, and others would still wind up united with Great Houses but that would give the Crusaders an excuse to relaunch the invasion.  That's when things would really change.  Just as the first wave is about to launch a new force would arrive in the IS.  This group would be the descendents of a long, long, long range colonization fleet sent out into the deep Periphery by the crazy Cameron First Lord (I forget his name).  This was a small fleet (a couple of warships, mostly cargo haulers, and a group of recon ships like the Bugeye [I think that's it name]) but outfitted and manned to be completely self-reliant since it would be so far away from the IS.  The fleet, put together without any fanfare, then left right before the crazy Cameron left the scene (I can't remember if he was removed, died, or committed suicide).  The clean up following the crazy Cameron saw the colonization effort fall through the cracks and be forgotten about.  These colonists would get to their destination, get settled, and then send a recon ship back to the IS to check in.  When they get back to the IS they discover they have been forgotten about and that things are getting shaky in the Star League (I think that's what happened in the canon timeline.  Forgive me it’s been years since I read anything BT.).  They decide to keep themselves secret and independent.  Instead of eating themselves like the Clans their society stays unified and true to the ideals of the Star League.  Therefore they send their time developing their technology, but with little use for weapons that area languishes.  They keep tabs on the IS, but with numbers too small to make a real difference for most of their history they stay away.  Then the Clans arrive in the IS.  This threat causes the colonist, now with a population large enough to be a real force, to go on a crash course of military development.  With their super advanced technology they quickly develop mechs, aerospace fighters, battle armor, tanks, and dropships.  Warships, however, take a little longer and they are still short of them when they arrive to stem the new Clan invasion.  Having kept tabs on the IS they know who to deal with (yes to the FS and DC, no to Comstar, FWL, and CC).  With this new source of advanced tech the colonists (who can claim legitimate decent from the Star League), FS, and DC start beating back the Clans and eventually start turning some of the less fanatical Crusader Clans to their side.  Eventually the last Crusaders are chased all the way back to the Home Worlds, are destroyed, and with them the Clan culture.  This has been an idea rattling around in my head for years with little (or no) research or outlining done on my part. 

So other then that I don't have anything to say.