Topic: is Ironwind Metals Bored? (Read 2271 times)

JPArbiter · « **on:** August 11, 2012, 03:27:42 PM »

so back in may we get the announcment for th 2012 convention exclusive mini, and true to form it is another Jumper. this time IWM jumnped the shark though and gave us a jumping Atlas. http://ironwindmetals.com/d/node/1655

and the world went "oh geeze"

then a few days went by and we were given a SECOND convention exclusive.and this one did not jump! it would however cost three times as much as a regular mini due to it's impressive size. ladies and gentlemen, the Omega! http://ironwindmetals.com/d/node/1657

and that was all well and cool right? and for two months we heard nothing else, but now we got a FOURTH convention exclusive in 28mm Hauberk Battle armor from TRO Prototypes! http://ironwindmetals.com/d/node/1663

Okay we are getting cool, but this is way to much now. what these and the Omega are pre releases that everyone will be able to buy? okay maybe that is cool

a week goes buy and now we have ANOTHER Pre release, the XTRO lance pack http://ironwindmetals.com/d/node/1664

DUDES! WTF? next thing you are going to tell me is you are testing the waters for a revived Museum Scale Mech...

http://ironwindmetals.com/d/node/1669

god damnit!

seriously WTF is going on with IWM? atre they bored? last I heard fan funding got stopped, and they had quite a backlog going on, so what is with all of this? and are we not in the second year of waiting for the Mk I LAMs that are being made thanks to some massive fan effort some idiot podcast host put together? where is the word on those?

amy I the only one curious about IWM sense of Priorities?

Dragon Cat · « **Reply #1 on:** August 11, 2012, 03:34:53 PM »

IWM seems to go all over the place although I continue to see units funded threads on forums.

The Hauberk Commando looks cool though

MadCapellan · « **Reply #2 on:** August 11, 2012, 04:20:49 PM »

Well, I kicked in on the Yao Lien fan finance a while back at the tail end of open fan-financing, and that's out now, so maybe they're starting to clear their plate?

Ice Hellion · « **Reply #3 on:** August 12, 2012, 02:15:12 AM »

We are looking at limited editions models, not regular runs.

MadCapellan · « **Reply #4 on:** August 12, 2012, 10:00:39 AM »

Quote from: Ice Hellion on August 12, 2012, 02:15:12 AM

We are looking at limited editions models, not regular runs.

Presumably, sculpting requires the same amount of time.....

Ice Hellion · « **Reply #5 on:** August 12, 2012, 02:26:09 PM »

Quote from: MadCapellan on August 12, 2012, 10:00:39 AM

Presumably, sculpting requires the same amount of time.....

Yes but the selling price is not the same

MadCapellan · « **Reply #6 on:** August 12, 2012, 04:09:26 PM »

Quote from: Ice Hellion on August 12, 2012, 02:26:09 PM

Quote from: MadCapellan on August 12, 2012, 10:00:39 AM
Presumably, sculpting requires the same amount of time.....

Yes but the selling price is not the same

Pretty sure that has nothing to do with whether or not they have free time, which I want to say was what JBArbiter was at with his initial post.

Centurion13 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 12, 2012, 04:40:34 PM »

I dunno. Some of the XTROs are, by their own admission, MacGuffins from one end to the other. Why the hades anyone with a steady job and a claim to reason would want to buy a machine no player could ever field is beyond me. It is directed at the fanboy completists.

I suppose the armor makes a nice.... paperweight. Anyone still use paper in their office? Good, this will look groovy if you give it a stellar paint job and then encase it in lucite.

A jumping Atlas? Really? ..... Why? It jumps... 3 entire hexes? Maybe? Who out there needed a jumping Atlas? Please, let me know and I will feed your need with kitbashed regular minis. There seriously cannot be more than a dozen of you.

On the face of it, it's a waste of lead, time and money. What deeply disturbs me is that the folks in charge have not underestimated their target audience.

And some folks wonder why BT forums are not as busy as they once were...

JPArbiter · « **Reply #8 on:** August 12, 2012, 08:09:20 PM »

Quote from: Ice Hellion on August 12, 2012, 02:15:12 AM

We are looking at limited editions models, not regular runs.

the Omega, 28mm hauberk, XTRO lance, and Museum scale were all advertised on the Btech forums as pre releases avaliable for regular sale at some point in the not to distant future.

Quote from: Centurion13 on August 12, 2012, 04:40:34 PM

I dunno. The XTROs are, by their own admission, MacGuffins from one end to the other. Why the hades anyone with a steady job and a claim to reason would want to buy a machine no player could ever field is beyond me. It is directed at the fanboy completists.

I suppose the armor makes a nice.... paperweight. Anyone still use paper in their office? Good, this will look groovy if you give it a stellar paint job and then encase it in lucite.

A jumping Atlas? Really? ..... Why? It jumps... 3 entire hexes? Maybe? Who out there needed a jumping Atlas? Please, let me know and I will feed your need with kitbashed regular minis. There seriously cannot be more than a dozen of you.

On the face of it, it's a waste of lead, time and money. What deeply disturbs me is that the folks in charge have not underestimated their target audience.

And some folks wonder why BT forums are not as busy as they once were...

The Battle armor is an experiment in making 28mm armor for "A Time of War" games.

as far as the Atlas, you can take one way or the other, like the other jumpers it is so much fluff, there is at least one canon jump capable configuration (AS7-K3).

and remember the XTRO mechs were produced in limited quantities, they are out there. some in military units (Rifleman), others in Solaris stables (Wraith) some in corporate garages (No Dachi) or independently owned (the Victor). so it is not unfeasible that a group might get a few of these together to form a troubleshooter merc lance, or to become part of the Errant Force Program, or something else. like the other lance packs of the past few years, I am sure this one will have a story behind it

Centurion13 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 12, 2012, 09:41:37 PM »

Quote from: JPArbiter on August 12, 2012, 08:09:20 PM

The Battle armor is an experiment in making 28mm armor for "A Time of War" games.

Fair enough. They might have better luck selling plastic, though.

Quote from: JPArbiter on August 12, 2012, 08:09:20 PM

as far as the Atlas, you can take one way or the other, like the other jumpers it is so much fluff, there is at least one canon jump capable configuration (AS7-K3).

I have actually seen the jumping Rifleman in play. I don't mind fluff, but how many of these jumping Atlases are going to see actual play? Guess we'll find out.

Quote from: JPArbiter on August 12, 2012, 08:09:20 PM

and remember the XTRO mechs were produced in limited quantities, they are out there. some in military units (Rifleman), others in Solaris stables (Wraith) some in corporate garages (No Dachi) or independently owned (the Victor). so it is not unfeasible that a group might get a few of these together to form a troubleshooter merc lance, or to become part of the Errant Force Program, or something else. like the other lance packs of the past few years, I am sure this one will have a story behind it

To wit:

"The designs featured in this book reflect limited-run prototypes and â€œone-off sâ€ that have yet to reach full factory productionâ€”and most likely never will. The rules for using â€™Mechs, vehicles and fighters in BattleTech game play can be found in Total Warfare, while the rules for their construction can be found in TechManual. However, the experimental nature of these designs also draws upon the Experimental-level rules presented in Tactical Operations. Thus, none of the units featured in this volume are considered tournament legal, and their use in introductory games is discouraged. Furthermore, the extreme rarity of these machines is such that none of them should occur in a BattleTech campaign as a chance encounter, but the capture or destruction of any one of these prototypes could be potential objective for BattleTech scenarios, tracks and role-playing adventures.

[Edit] MacGuffin. I tell you, it fits.

Cent13

JPArbiter · « **Reply #10 on:** August 12, 2012, 10:38:09 PM »

also known as "just for screwing around play."

Quote from: Centurion13 on August 12, 2012, 09:41:37 PM

Quote from: JPArbiter on August 12, 2012, 08:09:20 PM

The Battle armor is an experiment in making 28mm armor for "A Time of War" games.

Fair enough. They might have better luck selling plastic, though.

Except the startup costs to make plastic Miniatures is nothing short of gratuitous. we are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars for the precision equipment nessicary for such a start up. Considering A Time of War, like Space Combat is such a Niche within a niche that is battletech miniaturesn the expense could hardly be considered worth it when compared to using the machines and techniques they already possess.

it works with Games Workshop because of the massive quantity of Miniatures they produce, and so many of them are alike. for a smaller company like IWM plastic anything is such a huge investment, and they have such a breadth of product (most of their Battletech Miniatures move less then a dozen a year) that the expense of converting to plastic would bankrupt them.

Blacknova · « **Reply #11 on:** August 12, 2012, 11:15:25 PM »

Quote from: JPArbiter on August 11, 2012, 03:27:42 PM

seriously WTF is going on with IWM? atre they bored?

Please don't take this as being snide, as it is not meant in that way at all, but has anyone asked Ironwind what they are up to\planning?

Minerva12345 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 13, 2012, 06:38:11 AM »

Quote from: JPArbiter on August 11, 2012, 03:27:42 PM

seriously WTF is going on with IWM? atre they bored? last I heard fan funding got stopped, and they had quite a backlog going on, so what is with all of this? and are we not in the second year of waiting for the Mk I LAMs that are being made thanks to some massive fan effort some idiot podcast host put together? where is the word on those?

amy I the only one curious about IWM sense of Priorities?

It boils down to money.

Con Exclusives have better profit margin compared to time/effort/cost to make them and many people who do collect figurines buy them as impulse buys during cons. Such figurines are pride and joy for showing off later to other figurine collectors. Whether they are actually useful according to game rules is not of importance to many impulse buyers. It is the same phenomena in other figurine fields as well. You regularly have more rare German tanks in your bookshelf that German army actually fielded in any single combat or even have few units worth of night vision equipped German infantry. Naturally I do not admit that I am collecting such figurines compulsively.

Ice Hellion · « **Reply #13 on:** August 13, 2012, 01:50:58 PM »

Quote from: Minerva12345 on August 13, 2012, 06:38:11 AM

It boils down to money.

Con Exclusives have better profit margin compared to time/effort/cost to make them and many people who do collect figurines buy them as impulse buys during cons. Such figurines are pride and joy for showing off later to other figurine collectors. Whether they are actually useful according to game rules is not of importance to many impulse buyers.

+1

MadCapellan · « **Reply #14 on:** August 13, 2012, 07:39:14 PM »

Arguably, many of these are just modifications of already existing sculpts, so they don't really take a whole lot of time to produce.

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