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Katrina Shuts Up
« on: June 05, 2012, 11:14:08 PM »

What sort of developments would you see stemming from Katrina Steiner not issuing her peace proposal in 3020?

Be interesting to see a more balanced 4th War that did not errupt on Hanse's prefered timing.

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Re: Katrina Shuts Up
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2012, 11:35:27 PM »

Would a 4th Succession War even start in Hanse's lifetime? Assuming the Helm Core still makes an appearance, maybe in the late 40s or 50s after the Great House take advantage of the tech and decide to "give it go" once more, but before then? I'm not sure it would go down.
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Re: Katrina Shuts Up
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2012, 12:12:36 AM »

Be an interesting scenario, with all five powers believing thay had learned the lessons of the first 3 wars and then having at it.  With two fronts for each power to worry about, it would likely not see the huge border changes of the canon 4th War.
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Re: Katrina Shuts Up
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2012, 01:45:27 AM »

Well there wasn't a peace proposal in 3022 so I assume you mean the one in 3020.

Honestly, I don't see there being a Fourth Succession War simply because without the peace proposal the Third Succession War probably wouldn't come to an end.

on the other hand, Max probably still carries out Operation Doppelganger but without Lyran support for Ardan Sortek it might actually work. That would have some consequences.
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Re: Katrina Shuts Up
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2012, 03:14:37 AM »

I'll fix the date error.
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Re: Katrina Shuts Up
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2012, 06:08:16 AM »

Does the 3rd Succession War even end? Does Alessandro or Frederick Steiner seize the Archonship? Perhaps ComStar enacts Holy Shroud III in preparation for their savior of humanity role. How about having them strike at all jumpships and their remaining facilities throughout the InnerSphere?
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Re: Katrina Shuts Up
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2012, 07:30:14 AM »

I'd be surprised if a 4th War kicked off as big as it did.

I think Hanse would still try the Justin Xiang plant in the Capellans it's too good an operation to miss out, even if only for the Intelligence value.  Which could still potentially lead to St Ives and Tikonov breakaways.  Overall I think the size and ability of the Federated Suns military could do this.

I don't think the Lyrans would have as much/any push against the Draconis Combine which would leave the Combine free to rain fire at the Draconis March.  Any gains the FedSuns made on the Capellan border they'd lose on the Draconis March or in Terran Corridor areas.  After Hanse sees that he'd try to end as quickly as possible leading to a likely stalemate.

The St Ives and Tikonov breakaways would hurt the Capellans but without major FedCom backing both would likely be over-run by the Confederation in far shorter time than in Canon.

Operation Doppelganger throws an interesting spanner at the Davions but ultimately I think it would fail with Justin still in the Capellan's midst.  And the Capellan Chancellor's mood changes.

Perhaps with the stress of Doppleganger and Draconian assaults perhaps Hanse Davion's heart-attack strikes earlier with Michael Hasek-Davion still killed the Suns could find itself without an heir?  Who takes over?

The Combine has no Lyran assaults so can pick at the Draconis March and possibly gain more territory overall, with no break away Rasalhague Regions, they have time to concentrate on the Suns.

The Lyrans could easily be tied up with attempts by Alessandro and Fredrick Steiner to take over.

And if ComStar decided it would be a good time to strike as well the 4th War may be overall the Intelligence War more than the open war map changing one.
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Really, as long as there is an unbroken line of people calling themselves "Clan Nova Cat," it doesn't really matter to me if they're still using Iron Wombs or not. They may be dead as a faction, but as a people they still exist. It's not uncommon in the real world, after all.

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Re: Katrina Shuts Up
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2012, 07:58:47 AM »

Hanse may have very well ended up with that first romantic interest of his (I'm drawing a blank on her name). There could be an heir there. Additionally, Justin Xiang wouldn't have any effect on Operation Doppelganger, since Justin Xiang wasn't in place until after that op. It was Doppelganger that led Hanse to prosecute the 4th War (one of the more ridiculous reasonings offered up for a conflict).

It would be a nice change of pace though, to have the Fox actually be the Fox. Instead of wearing a (painted) white hat like the novels offer up, he may very well end up as the kind of warlord that the FedSuns needed and the universe loves to hate.
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Re: Katrina Shuts Up
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2012, 08:23:47 AM »

I thought he was in place my mistake.

I agree it would have been nice to see Hanse as a Warlord, which he was in many ways but unrestricted by Katrina and Melissa Steiner I think we'd have seen a far more dangerous Hanse Davion.
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Re: Katrina Shuts Up
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2012, 04:33:57 PM »

Let's say for the sake of arguement that Operation Doppelganger fails. Hanse will definitely want payback, but without the Lyrans to pin down a large level of the DCMS's forces he can't really afford to work on the same scale, at least for long.

And with the Third Succession War still being fought, there's a slow drain on his resources that will make it harder to maintain a sustained offensive. Still, he can probably pull a largescale operation like Operation Rat off if he has to, he just can't keep it up as long.

There's no reason I can see that the lack of a Federated Commonwealth would prevent the Dragoons and Dragon from falling out, and with Takashi having something to fixate upon, I could see Hanse relying on the Dragoons (with more reinforcements than in canon) to keep the DCMS busy while he tears into the Capellan Confederation. He has Justin in place so events can reasonably be considered to be favourable.

So, perhaps a little earlier or later than in canon (3028-3029) Hanse uses some variant of Operation Galahad to pre-position his regiments and then slams down attacks roughly equivalent to the First and Second Waves of Operation Rat. He then proceeds more cautiously with something along the lines of the Third Wave, showing signs of being low on supplies and strained by also supporting operations on the Draconis Combine. Operation Riposte/Ambush should be a reasonably likely outcome, which severely hinders the Confederation's ability to counter-attack.

At this point Hanse has cut the Tikonov Commonality away from the Confederation, with reasonable odds of convincing Ridzik or someone else to rule it as his puppet. He has Tikonov itself as well as several less important industrial worlds. The CCAF is too badly hammered to prevent him from consolidating his position, particularly since the Free Worlds League is virtually guarenteed to be putting pressure on their borders. The DCMS has fed a fair number of its forces into the meat-grinder that is the Wolf Dragoons, probably preventing any serious offensives on their part for a few years. Oh, and Michael Hasek-Davion has pretty thoroughly driven the fence post up his own arse. As a sweetener, he might very well have Justin still in place and Theodore has probably not proven himself to Takashi and the DCMS.

Without the canonical Fourth Succession War to compare to, I can't see how this would look like anything but a glorious triumph to the Inner Sphere. The AFFS is worn down a bit, but with the CCAF and DCMS both similarly exhausted Hanse has time to restore it to strength and do any fine tuning he might want to do based on after action reports. At that point he's free to either make a further attack on the Capellans or turn his attention to whatever worlds the DCMS may have taken during this conflict.
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Re: Katrina Shuts Up
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2012, 06:28:09 PM »

Expanding on what Drakensis said, the Lyrans could opt to not face the Dragon and just rile up the Rasalhague district into near revolt, allowing them to face the Free Worlds at an advantage.
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Re: Katrina Shuts Up
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2012, 10:00:32 PM »

Well no alliance with the Lyrans could have Hanse turn to the Mariks for help in crushing the Capellans. Both sovereigns have personal reasons to hate Mad Max with a passion.
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Re: Katrina Shuts Up
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2012, 10:04:17 PM »

ooo good point.
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Re: Katrina Shuts Up
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2012, 10:08:33 PM »

Could Hanse divert such a large portion of the AFFS to take Tikonov?  I mean, we are talking all of the Crucis Lancers, and in this scenario, he still has to keep (an even larger number) of troops on the Combine border.  Sandoval will go ballistic if there is no Alliance with Katrina AND the regular AFFS forces begin leaving the Draconis March.

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Re: Katrina Shuts Up
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2012, 10:18:51 PM »

Here is what the AFFS deployed in Wave 1 and Wave 2:

1st Davion Guards RCT
3rd Davion Guards RCT
4th Davion Guards RCT
Davion Light Guards RCT
Davion Heavy Guards RCT

1st Aragon Borderers

20th Avalon Hussars RCT
33rd Avalon Hussars RCT

1st Crucis Lancers RCT
2nd Crucis Lancers RCT
3rd Crucis Lancers RCT
4th Crucis Lancers RCT
5th Crucis Lancers RCT
6th Crucis Lancers RCT
7th Crucis Lancers RCT
8th Crucis Lancers RCT

4th Deneb Light Cavalry RCT

1st New Ivaarsen Chasseurs
2nd New Ivaarsen Chasseurs

Blue Star Irregulars (3 Regiments; Merc)
Eridani Light Horse (3 Regiments; Merc)
Redfield's Renegades (Merc)
Screaming Eagles (2 Regiments; Merc)
Twelfth Vegan Rangers (5 Regiments; Merc)

16 AFFS RCTs, 3 AFFS Regiments, and 14 Mercenary Regiments.  Remember, Hanse was leery of using Capellan March troops for RAT (Michael Hasek-Davion, remember him?), so the majority of these came from the Crucis and Draconis Marches.

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