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« on: May 15, 2012, 04:26:05 PM »

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Smaller versions of the AFFS' traditional RCT, the LCT was a reinforced battalion of 'Mechs (typically three companies plus a two-to-three lance command company), two to three battalions of heavy and assault armor, an equal number of cavalry battalions, and an artillery company. Additionally the LCT includes a include a regimental-size Battle Armor formation (though in most cases the size is much smaller) and VTOL assets to provide transportation for the Battle Armor as well as reconnaissance for the LCT. The large conventional infantry forces of the RCT have been reduced to those troops needed to provide engineering, security, and other support roles

What are cavalry battalions? Lighter vehicle units?
And what are they supposed to do as recon is done by the VTOL and heavy fighting by the other units?
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Re: LCT
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2012, 04:54:14 PM »

I'd agree that Cavalry are supposed to be lighter combat vehicles. And presumably they'd provide a screening function, warding off recon and raiding forces as well as carrying out raids themselves.
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Re: LCT
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2012, 05:01:12 PM »

"Cavalry" are traditionally fast-moving & hard-hitting formations, often used to screen friendly forces or flank enemy ones.  Many armies had armored (tank) formations inherit the traditions of their famous cavalry units -- but generally not until the tanks were fast enough to leave infantry behind. 

In this case, I think we can posit the "cavalry" formations as being fast light armor units -- especially hovercraft.  As the existing "armor" units in the LCT are specifically listed as Heavy & Assault units (and thus, no doubt, slow), it makes sense for the LCT to also include lighter armored units, but also for these light units to be faster.  The Scorpion, despite being a light tank, is no faster than a Manticore, and so would make a poor choice for inclusion in a "cavalry" unit (unless the Heavy & Assault units were overtaken with things like the Behemoth, which makes even a Scorpion seem "fast").  The Vedette & Galleon (among non-hover designs) would be good choices for a "cavalry" unit.
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Re: LCT
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2012, 02:50:35 AM »

I agree with that assessment Halvagor
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Re: LCT
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2012, 01:37:29 PM »

I agree with all of you so to make it clearer: VTOLs scout while Cavalry units screen to protect the main body of the LCT to be spotted/raided/...?
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Re: LCT
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2012, 01:59:57 PM »

That seems right to me. There's some ambiguity inherent to the descriptions so GMs and Players can create their own forces, but I think the explanations I'm reading are spot on.
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Re: LCT
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2012, 04:55:18 AM »

I agree with all of you so to make it clearer: VTOLs scout while Cavalry units screen to protect the main body of the LCT to be spotted/raided/...?
Also VTOLs are not always the best scouts. Sometimes you want eyes on the ground, or at least less obvious scouts.
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Re: LCT
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2012, 01:30:54 AM »

Special Forces would be best they would blend in better.
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Re: LCT
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2012, 03:23:38 PM »

Special Forces are fine on, say, an objective raid, or other mission where you know the location in advance and can thus attempt to insert them.  In a meeting engagement, where military forces are actively on the move and searching for each other, the VTOLs, with their ability to cover ground much, much more quickly, make better scouts.  From a classic force-on-force military perspective, I agree with the LCT writeup that VTOLs make sense for scouting.  From a raiding standpoint, special forces make more sense -- provided you don't intend to just do the whole op with SpecOps types anyway.
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Re: LCT
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2012, 06:15:09 PM »

True Halvagor You use what is appropiate for the Op
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Re: LCT
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2012, 10:16:02 AM »

I agree with all of you so to make it clearer: VTOLs scout while Cavalry units screen to protect the main body of the LCT to be spotted/raided/...?
Also VTOLs are not always the best scouts. Sometimes you want eyes on the ground, or at least less obvious scouts.

tell that to LAM-Heads ;)

this is really where units like the Sprint Infantry and Cavalry Infantry carriers shine.  Combined with 1 or 2 ton capacity infantry platoons like the Battlefield infiltration unit, a these VTOLs can drop their people behind enemy lines, make several high speed recon passes with thier cameras running, and transmit information back to that platoon for them to examine further. (in a ATOW Situation)
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Re: LCT
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2012, 04:15:06 AM »

I am bringing this topic back to live for another idea I am working on.

We know RCT à la "Federated Suns" are big monsters (even their March Militia ones) while RCT à la "Star League" are just Brigades that don't want to be called like that.

I was reading once more the description of a LCT and what hit me is that with a few changes I thought it could be suited to represent a bigger Militia unit with some punch.

Let's see what we have or what I think we could have:

- 1 reinforced 'Mech Battalion,
- 1 Heavy/Assault Tank Regiment,
- 1 Medium/Light Tank Regiment
- 2 Infantry Regiments (mobile ones)
- support units like Artillery, Fighters...

This would make it a Brigade under the SLDF TOE

What do you think?
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Re: LCT
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2012, 04:30:03 AM »

Trying to remember right but SLDF organisation had armour attached to units not part of them

SLDF Brigades were 3 Mech 1 Infantry for a Mech unit and 3 Infantry 1 Mech for the Infantry IIRC

I never fully did get the SLDF Organisation then again with their massive forces you could go with mass units of the same type.

Personally I prefer the AFFS organisation to the SLDF more flexible

The LCT is a logical expansion of that I'm thinking of using it in my AU despite no downsizing of militarises and no jihad.  Instead in my AU I was thinking of using it for March units but increasing the Robinson Rangers and Syrtis Fusiliers to 5 units instead of 3 flexible mobile defences for marches
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Re: LCT
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2012, 10:42:39 AM »

It is your AU so have fun
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Re: LCT
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2012, 11:02:40 AM »

I was reading once more the description of a LCT and what hit me is that with a few changes I thought it could be suited to represent a bigger Militia unit with some punch.

What do you think?

Been thinking a lot of Planetary Militias and Coast (Orbital) Guards lately. One of the driving reasons behind the LCT is creating a more mobile unit. Militias which don't typically have a battalion of Mechs unless they are a large i.e. important world are by BattleTech definition static. They don't leave their world hence no reason for mobility.
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