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FirstStarLord

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Names of the SLDF Divisions
« on: June 23, 2012, 10:16:38 PM »

Just for fun, I made up this sheet. It is an attempt to classify the names of the 205 SLDF divisions whose titles are known. I have to admit, I wonder about the significance of some of these nicknames. I'm guessing we will learn more when the Field Manuel is released later this year, but for now let the discussion begin!

Peoples
Apache
Aztec
Czech Lancers
Free South Africans
Thai Militia
Zulu
Other
Association
Black Chargers
Blackcats
Blue Star
Colony Commanders
Commonwealth
Concordance
Death From Above
Despair
Enterprise
Federation
Golden Pharaoh
Gotchas
Grand Association
Grand Rift
Hellraisers from Heaven
Junkers
King's Own Jump Troops
League
Meteors
Might Before Metal
Portuguese Men of War
Protector
Rain of Steel
Roo Brigades
Superstition
Tornadoes
United Member States
Terran Locations
Africa
Alamo
Angels of Orleans
Antarctica
Arizona Devils
Asia
Bavarian
Brandenburg Lancers
Bullfighters From Seville
Chicago
Cyclones of Castle Rock
Democrats of Brazil
Devil's of Devil Rock
du Aquitaine
Errai
Errai Laserers
European
Flame Keepers of Greece
Flanders
Florida Swamp Foxes
Indiana
Jumpers of Mars
Los Angeles
Luzon Knifers
Martians
Michigan 61st
Moscow Blizzard
New Orleans
North America
Oregonians
Paris Surgeons
Pride of Berlin
Pride of Cuba
Pride of Leningrad
Pride of Pittsburgh
Pride of Puget Sound
Pride of Sevastopol
Red Plains
Rio Grande
Soldiers of Troy
Sydney
The Punjab Pass
Turkistan Hunters
Upper Silesian
Historical Units
All Americans
Belgian Fusiliers
Big Red One
Black Watch
Cameron Higlanders
Desert Rats
Gurkha Rifles
King's Own Scots Rifles
Latvian Rifles
New Delhi Grenadiers
Philipine Division
Red Diamond
Royal Irish Fusilers
Screaming Eagles
Texas Rangers
The Vein-Openers
The Golden Talon
Welsh Foot
Mythological Figures
Athena
Balan
Hercules
Orion
Giants
Anak
Anakim
Antaeus
Atlas
Cyclops
Gargantua
Gog
Goliath
Jotun
King of Bashan
Polypheme
Rephaim
Teutobochus
Battles
Agincourt
Ardennes
Bannockburn
Battle of Moscow
Battle of Thorin
Bull Run
Bunker Hill
Gettysburg
Kursk
Little Big Horn
Marne
Minsk
Stalingrad
Tobruk
Waterloo
Historical People
Andrew Jackson
Atilla
Black Prince
Bonnie Prince Charlie
Chief Joseph
Custer
Erwin Rommel
George S. Patton
Geronimo
Giap
Hannibal
Joan of Arc
Katukov
King Henry
King of Denmark
Lion Hearted
Mantuffel
Marshal Ney
Montgomery
Napoleon
Old Abe
Sheridan
Sherman
Stonewall Jackson
Tsar Peter
Ulysses S. Grant
Wellington
Westmoreland
Zhukov
                       
Other Worlds
Force From Ford
New Kyoto
New Kyoto Samurai
Hegmony World
Altair
Altair Guards
Alula Australis
Asta
Bryant
Caph
Carver
Castor
Chara
Chara Cossacks
Denebola
Dieron
Epsilon Eridani
Epsilon Indi
Fletcher
Fomalhaut
Graham
Hall
Ingress
Keid
Lipton
Murphid Lightning
New Earth
New Home
Nirasaki
Northwind
Oliver
Outreach
Pollux
Procyon
Quentin
Rhodes Rifles
Rigel Kentarus
Saffel
Sirius
Small World
Talitha
Terra Firma
Thorin
Troopers From Lipton
Van Diemen
Wild Ones from Yorii
Zavijava
Zollikofen
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Re: Names of the SLDF Divisions
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2012, 11:51:21 PM »

Nice list FSL! I think it was in FM Terran Republic 2785 that I wrote up my theory on this. Units with officially recognized nicknames were so honored by the First Lord of the Star League.
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Re: Names of the SLDF Divisions
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2012, 12:48:18 AM »

Perhaps that was the idea as shown in the original Star League SB, but the implication from Era Report 2750 was that even the previously unnamed divisions did indeed have titles. Well actually that idea goes back many years further back than the Era Report; the nickname of 'Might Before Metal' was given to the 34th Infantry Division in FM: Crusader Clans, where previously it had none.

Should we just chalk it up to Comstar's 'incomplete' records?
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Re: Names of the SLDF Divisions
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2012, 05:15:48 AM »

Maybe the units with military unit names (Screaming Eagles etc) were desended from those historical units.

Oh and the Golden Talons should be in the military unit names list (WWII US 17th Airborne Division i think).
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Re: Names of the SLDF Divisions
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2012, 08:35:09 AM »

All will be revealed shortly.  Feel free to continue speculating.   :)
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Re: Names of the SLDF Divisions
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2012, 08:56:25 AM »

Just wanted to posted said quote from FM Terran Republic 2785 (pg 97 on the PDF under the Astan Borderers).

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While none of these divisions had Royal (Terran only) designation, official nicknames (Note: All Star League units had some kind of nickname but only a select number were actually bestowed by a First Lord. This is why only certain commands were so listed in official SLDF documents.), or Shandra Noruff Ribbons (denoting Martial Olympiad championships) all were gifted combat commands earning distinction during the Amaris Conflict.

So that was my theory. Essentially a Director-General or First Lord officially endorsed or bestowed as a reward for service or historic significance.

The ComStar lost it excuse is very possible and the way TPTB go I'm sure is the answer that will be endorsed eventually.

Do we have other nominees or suggestions??
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Re: Names of the SLDF Divisions
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2012, 11:25:09 AM »

All will be revealed shortly.  Feel free to continue speculating.   :)

Looking forward to the FM.
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Re: Names of the SLDF Divisions
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2012, 01:44:39 PM »

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Black Watch
Cameron Higlanders
Desert Rats
Gurkha Rifles
King's Own Scots Rifles

Of interest to me  ;D the Scot's heritage units (as I'm Scottish)

Black Watch is an obvious one Standing Battalion in British Army

Cameron Highlanders I'm guessing a feudal unit of the Cameron Family who were from Edinburgh

Desert Rats formerly the 7th Armoured Division today's 7th Armoured Brigade

Gurkha Rifles another part of the British Army

King's Own Scots Rifles - interesting one dates back to Colonial Britain originally formed in the Americas - I'm guessing this one would be an extension of The Rifles Regiment of the British Army

All will be revealed shortly.  Feel free to continue speculating.   :)

Looking forward to the FM.

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Re: Names of the SLDF Divisions
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2012, 03:20:38 PM »

All will be revealed shortly.  Feel free to continue speculating.   :)

I'm sure we will.

Looking forward to the FM.

Same here.

King's Own Scots Rifles - interesting one dates back to Colonial Britain originally formed in the Americas - I'm guessing this one would be an extension of The Rifles Regiment of the British Army

Be good if they were as the Rifles are my local Regiment.
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Re: Names of the SLDF Divisions
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2012, 04:46:48 PM »

Not to nit pick or anything but two unit names jumped out at me (actually I noticed them a few months ago when I was reading the original SLSB).  Florida Swamp Fox doesn't make sense and Pride of Leningrad doesn't make sense anymore.  Francis Marion, the Swamp Fox, operated in South Carolina during the US Revolution, not Florida.  Also, when BT first started Leningrad was appropriate, but its reverted back to St. Petersburg.  Dang unfolding of human history keeps messing up our scifi.
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Re: Names of the SLDF Divisions
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2012, 04:57:52 PM »

Well there is that whole Second Soviet Civil War thing to come soon, right? As for the Florida Swamp Fox I agree doesn't make sense to me historically.
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Re: Names of the SLDF Divisions
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2012, 07:16:00 PM »

Oh and the Golden Talons should be in the military unit names list (WWII US 17th Airborne Division i think).

Good catch! I fixed it now.

As for the Historical Units, this was the best I could come up with:

All Americans - US 82nd Airborne, pretty clear cut in this case.

Belgian Fusiliers - Descended from Belgian Infantry regiments, in which line soldiers are known as Fusiliers. In WWII entire battalions of Belgian Fusiliers were formed for the Free Belgian Forces that were formed in exile.

Big Red One - US 1st Infantry Division, another clear cut case.

Black Watch - The 42nd Highland Regiment of Foot, later known as the Black Watch. But why are they separate from the Royal Black Watch Regiment that guards the First Lord?

Cameron Highlanders - Originally the 79th Regiment of Foot in the British Army, they became the Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders in 1881. Queen Victoria was very fond of this regiment, which is why she made herself their patron.

Desert Rats - A reference to the British 7th Armored Division of WWII, currently the 7th Armored Brigade.

Gurkha Rifles - Originally a force of regiments in the British Indian Army, recruited from Nepalese hillmen, there are currently two successors to these units. The British Army with its Royal Gurkha Rifles, but also the Brigade of Gorkhas in the Indian Army.
 
King's Own Scots Rifles - Most likely a reference to the Cameronians (Scottish Rifles), created from 26th and 90th regiments in 1881 and considered descendants of the regiments that fought for Richard Cameron, a 17th century religious reformer who led an armed rebellion against the Scottish Crown, in an attempt to keep the Church of Scotland free of politically appointed bishops. Cameron was killed in battle in 1680. The regiment was disbanded in 1968.

Latvian Rifles -Elite units of ethnic Latvian soldiers formed in WWI by the Russian Imperial Army. Most of them defected to the Soviet cause in 1917 and became a pillar of the early Red Army's military strength. Many of the commanders became leaders of the Red Army until Stalin purged them in the 1930's.

New Delhi Grenadiers - A reference to the Grenadiers Regiment of the Indian Army? This one is a little ambiguous, but I thought the reference was rather strong.

Philippine Division - The nickname for the old 12th Infantry Division of the US Army, disbanded in 1947.

Red Diamond - Nickname for the US 5th Infantry Division.

Royal Irish Fusiliers - Irish regiment of the British Army formed in 1881 by the amalgamation of the 87th and 89th Regiments of Foot. It was especially active in WWI, but served in WWII as well. Disbanded in 1968.

Screaming Eagles - Nickname for the US 101st Airborne Division.

Texas Rangers - A paramilitary law enforcement unit that dates back to the Texan War of Independence.

The Vein-Openers - Nickname of the old British 29th (Worcestershire) Regiment of Foot. They earned this nickname from their involvement in the Boston Massacre, becoming the first British regiment to draw blood against the growing American patriot movement.

The Golden Talon - As Rainbow 6 said, most likely a reference to the 17th Airborne Division of the US Army, known as the Golden Talons.

Welsh Foot - While there have certainly been a large number of Welsh infantry units over the centuries, this title seems to be a reference to the 41st (Welch) Regiment of Foot, formed in 1719 and amalgamated with 69th Regiment of Foot in 1881 to create the Welch Regiment. That unit survived until 1969.
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Re: Names of the SLDF Divisions
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2012, 10:37:25 PM »

Black Watch - The 42nd Highland Regiment of Foot, later known as the Black Watch. But why are they separate from the Royal Black Watch Regiment that guards the First Lord?

Yeah that is a mystery to me. Isn't it stated that the Royal Black Watch was part of the 191st? Clan Jade Falcon Sourcebook I think?? But maybe it was a wartime reassignment based on needs at the time of the Periphery Uprising or Amaris Coup??
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Re: Names of the SLDF Divisions
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2012, 11:18:23 PM »

Hard to say. You are right in that all sources have said the Royal Black Watch was a unit of the 191st. But how long had the 191st existed? And was it always part of the Terran garrison?

My own impression is that once the SLDF expanded into its 20 army composition during the reign of Jonathan Cameron, its units tended to stay in place for long periods, not moving between regions except in dire emergencies. So First Army as it's shown in 2764 had been structured that way for at least a few decades. If the 48th (Black Watch) and the Royal Black Watch had originally been one unit, then they must have split off quite a while before.

For that matter, whatever happened to the Star Guards Corps? They were supposed to be the true guards of the First Lord, and even the other High Council members. Just sort of disappeared after the Reunification War, eh?
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Re: Names of the SLDF Divisions
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2012, 11:50:45 PM »

Well there is that whole Second Soviet Civil War thing to come soon, right? As for the Florida Swamp Fox I agree doesn't make sense to me historically.

Yeah, according to canon the Commies are still in charge of a still in existence USSR.  And maybe Florida Swamp Fox refers to a future military figure.  In the little bit of fictional writing I've done I always try to throw in references to people or events between our time and the future event I'm writing about.
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