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Re: New Releases!
« Reply #120 on: July 02, 2011, 06:11:07 PM »
So far, it doesn't sound that bad yet. But it is a holiday weekend for some folks, and it released late yesterday. So, give it a few days. ;)

Fair warning: A lot of these are just redone production versions from the various xTROs. So there's a lot of things you've already seen (or similar things anyway).

But seriously, the tech advancement table (and new quirks) is easily the best part of this book. Finally, finally we're seeing TPTB move the entire paradigm forward. Not just new tech, but moving the entire tech base forward.

My world for CASE II. And it is used quite a bit, on XL designs. Exactly where it should be.

I feel a bit bad for the Clanners, as a lot of their stuff really didn't feel like much of an upgrade (way to ruin the Hephaestus) or just plain quirky (a WiGE ProtoMech? Uh...okay). I don't feel bad for the Davions, as one again, they got spoiled rotten. I guess that's because of the ragequits that came about after 3085 (which I hope isn't the case, but I fear it is). And most importantly, why the bloody hell did the Davions get an upgraded Heavy LRM carrier. The one thing signature to the MoC, and the Whiny Suns get it?

Other thoughts? If c3 wasn't dead before, it is now. Angel ECM is all over the place. Along with the spread of ECM in '85...yup. Good luck with that. Also, Bombast lasers are still not very useful. Neither are handheld weapons (though the Axman uses them somewhat well, avoiding losing the rest of its weapon package, but with really anemic handheld weapons). New merc Grasshopper is a beauty of a heavy scout and scout-killer. Best artwork in the book? Thud IIC. Taurians get more fanservice (because the Improved Heavy Gauss rifle makes perfect sense for them to have!), but it does seem to indicate that they were cooperating with the Blakists even after knowing for fact that the Blakists dropped those space rocks on them. At least that's one good thing I can laugh at the Taurian fanatics about. (Are we detecting a theme here? Dread doesn't like two specific vocal fanbases on those other forums.)
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Re: New Releases!
« Reply #121 on: July 02, 2011, 06:32:29 PM »
Hate to change the subject, but after a crazy week I finally got a chance to re-read certain sections of Historical: Reunification War. Here's a doozy that no one has mentioned up to now:

In the tech section, on pgs 176-180, we now are told that the various houses of both the Inner Sphere and the Periphery began to manufacture advanced tech during the war. This has some hefty implications: for example, the Vulcan and Rampage could both have been built in their advanced forms (the only exceptions being Streak missiles, MASC, and the AntiMissile system) during the war, or shortly thereafter; why bother waiting to refit them until Amaris killed Ricky Cameron? The RWR had the tech a century and a half before, as did everyone else.
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« Reply #122 on: July 02, 2011, 10:34:54 PM »
I doubt they could have built it after. Perhaps during. Didn't the SLDF pretty much strip the Periphery of advanced tech at the end of the war? Or was that just the Taurians?
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Re: New Releases!
« Reply #123 on: July 02, 2011, 11:11:01 PM »
it says that the various nations- not just the taurians- built during and after the war. Try as they might, they couldn't stop it completely. Most of the work in the postwar period was in secret, but not all, even after sending in the terran lawyers (shouldn't they be the ones sporting a shark crest?  :P ).

Interestingly, it also says that rocket launchers have always existed in the IS and Periphery; the stats for the modern RLs are simply Marian Hegemony specifications  :o
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Re: New Releases!
« Reply #124 on: July 03, 2011, 02:06:12 AM »
That's not new about the rocket launchers. When they premiered the fluff said much the same thing.
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Re: New Releases!
« Reply #125 on: July 03, 2011, 06:54:11 AM »
This is logical for Rocket Launchers as we have them in the real world right now.
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Re: New Releases!
« Reply #126 on: July 03, 2011, 08:31:10 AM »
  FWIW, folks, I don't think you need to worry about the typos and grammatical glitches in Historical: Reunification War for much longer: between myself, lrose, and a couple of others, we should have them all spotted and nailed down before American Guy Fawkes.  ;D

  But d'oy, what a frickin' job of work it is!   :o
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Re: New Releases!
« Reply #127 on: July 03, 2011, 08:38:45 AM »
Quote from: Trace Coburn on July 03, 2011, 08:31:10 AM
  FWIW, folks, I don't think you need to worry about the typos and grammatical glitches in Historical: Reunification War for much longer: between myself, lrose, and a couple of others, we should have them all spotted and nailed down before American Guy Fawkes.  ;D

  But d'oy, what a frickin' job of work it is!   :o

Thanks! I hope those errata will be included when the dead tree version is published, as I will purchase the dead tree version.

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Re: New Releases!
« Reply #128 on: July 03, 2011, 08:48:00 AM »
Quote from: Dread Moores on July 03, 2011, 02:06:12 AM
That's not new about the rocket launchers. When they premiered the fluff said much the same thing.

Where is that? TechManual says that Rocket Launchers were introduced by the Marians.


Quote from: Trace Coburn on July 03, 2011, 08:31:10 AM
  FWIW, folks, I don't think you need to worry about the typos and grammatical glitches in Historical: Reunification War for much longer: between myself, lrose, and a couple of others, we should have them all spotted and nailed down before American Guy Fawkes.  ;D

  But d'oy, what a frickin' job of work it is!   :o


If only the canon conflicts/retcons were so simple  :(
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Re: New Releases!
« Reply #129 on: July 03, 2011, 09:25:27 AM »
Quote from: lucho on July 02, 2011, 11:11:01 PM
it says that the various nations- not just the taurians- built during and after the war. Try as they might, they couldn't stop it completely. Most of the work in the postwar period was in secret, but not all, even after sending in the terran lawyers (shouldn't they be the ones sporting a shark crest?  :P ).

That's probably why we didn't see the upgraded Rampage until after the Coup. Working in secret is different that sporting in public.

That said, it means we'll need specifications on the "secret" Periphery Divisions built by Amaris prior to the Coup. The implication being that if they were working in secret and later producing in secret then those divisions could have been pretty advanced - maybe why they gave Kerensky such a run for his money during the uprising...

It should be noted, that we really only have a half complete picture. We need to see Historical: Liberation to see how everything stacks up/connects. Things that seem out of place now could (and hopefully should) make more sense after its release.

Otherwise, did anyone receive a definitive answer regarding the TBolt? Put that baby to rest.
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Re: New Releases!
« Reply #130 on: July 03, 2011, 11:24:27 AM »
Quote from: lucho on July 03, 2011, 08:48:00 AM
Where is that? TechManual says that Rocket Launchers were introduced by the Marians.

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Techmanual pg. 229
As weapon technologies go, the rocket launcher system was hardly
new even when the Marian Hegemony introduced it a few years ago.

Also, it wasn't introduced in TechManual, but in Field Manual: Periphery. I unfortunately don't have that handy to go looking for a relevant text there.

But from Operation: Klondike, where they also show up:

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Klondike pg. 157
Rocket Launchers were among the simplest technologies the
militaries of the Pentagon Powers fell back upon. Long utilized
by militaries throughout the ages

I'm not talking specifically about the introduction date (and faction), but the fluff. That hasn't changed since its introduction, in saying that rocket launchers have been around for a long time, but just not utilized. Think of it less as the Marians "introducing" the tech, and more of "Well, somebody actually found a use for these things."

There's some really weird conflicts/issues with H: RW. Rocket launchers isn't one of them.
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Re: New Releases!
« Reply #131 on: July 03, 2011, 11:33:31 AM »
I still have to run through the book myself, but I'm interested in seeing how the forward progress is presented. (What Dread mentioned.) I thoroughly enjoy the notion.
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Re: New Releases!
« Reply #132 on: July 03, 2011, 01:23:45 PM »
Quote from: Knightmare on July 03, 2011, 09:25:27 AM
That said, it means we'll need specifications on the "secret" Periphery Divisions built by Amaris prior to the Coup. The implication being that if they were working in secret and later producing in secret then those divisions could have been pretty advanced - maybe why they gave Kerensky such a run for his money during the uprising...

Super advanced stormtroopers of the Periphery?  ;)
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Re: New Releases!
« Reply #133 on: July 03, 2011, 01:50:26 PM »
Quote from: Trace Coburn on July 03, 2011, 08:31:10 AM
  FWIW, folks, I don't think you need to worry about the typos and grammatical glitches in Historical: Reunification War for much longer: between myself, lrose, and a couple of others, we should have them all spotted and nailed down before American Guy Fawkes.  ;D


But the question is will we be added to the list of proof-readers/fact checkers?
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Re: New Releases!
« Reply #134 on: July 04, 2011, 12:24:28 AM »
Quote from: lrose on July 03, 2011, 01:50:26 PM
Quote from: Trace Coburn on July 03, 2011, 08:31:10 AM
  FWIW, folks, I don't think you need to worry about the typos and grammatical glitches in Historical: Reunification War for much longer: between myself, lrose, and a couple of others, we should have them all spotted and nailed down before American Guy Fawkes.  ;D


But the question is will we be added to the list of proof-readers/fact checkers?
  Like Dave Dobbyn sang, my friend: "Don't ho~old your breath."  ;D
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