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Re: Omnimechs in the dark age
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2013, 05:31:22 PM »

That I like don't get me wrong hearing stories about fights flushes out the universe and designs I just don't like entire lances of the same design.

I think the point that you might be missing in Ben's blog (and the other posts discussing this) is that entire lances of the same design really aren't the norm. They're the examples in the TROs for reasons of convenience. They're not the standard in the post-Bonfire setting. Maybe more common than in 3067, but not the new default.

It's similar to the problems you have if you try to use RATs as a justification for what a faction "commonly" fields.
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Re: Omnimechs in the dark age
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2013, 08:58:26 PM »

some mechs lend themselves to massed single chassis deployments.  the Dragon II for example can lay down it's own field of wide area saturation cover fire before even bringing the ERPPCs to bear.  it is built from the ground up for the slow steady defense.
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Re: Omnimechs in the dark age
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2013, 09:00:24 PM »

I know there not the norm but its the style of TRO that I'm not fond of 'convenient' IMO it takes away the diversity and richness of a design by saying in its most famous battle or most recent battle it played along very nicely with other Mechs if the same design

Instead the Mech worked well as part of a medium lance composed of 1.2.3 Mechs the unit was shown to be good at.  Or the Mech added extra mobility to a unit comprised of heavier less flexible designs

I know it's a nitpick but saying - lance of 4 95 tonners mulched a Medium company isn't so much as impressive as obvious

I know there's word counts and time constraints to worry about for writers and I think generally speaking they all do a bang-up job but every now and then things niggle just a little bit
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Really, as long as there is an unbroken line of people calling themselves "Clan Nova Cat," it doesn't really matter to me if they're still using Iron Wombs or not. They may be dead as a faction, but as a people they still exist. It's not uncommon in the real world, after all.

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Re: Omnimechs in the dark age
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2013, 08:54:31 PM »

I know there not the norm but its the style of TRO that I'm not fond of 'convenient' IMO it takes away the diversity and richness of a design by saying in its most famous battle or most recent battle it played along very nicely with other Mechs if the same design

That I can totally understand. But the previous posts seemed to focus heavily on how the setting had changed to that style. That doesn't really seem to be the case. The TRO's style of presentation is a whole different ball of wax. (And one I'd agree with. I don't find it to be the most appealing style of presentation. I'd also kill to stop mixing the section on who uses a unit, where it is used, and notable deployments. It makes searching for who actually has access to a design very difficult.)
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Re: Omnimechs in the dark age
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2013, 07:40:04 AM »

And one I'd agree with. I don't find it to be the most appealing style of presentation. I'd also kill to stop mixing the section on who uses a unit, where it is used, and notable deployments. It makes searching for who actually has access to a design very difficult.

Honestly, the presentation in the new TROs is pretty old school, and is reminiscent of the original TRO 3025 & 2750 everyone loves so much. This is one of the reasons why I find it kinda ironic when players who WORSHIP FASA's original stuff don't like the new/old style TRO 3145. Read the original entry for the Locust, and compare it to a new TRO 3145 entry if you don't believe me. The similarities are right there.   

As for searching, that's why we have the MUL. Leave the TROs to story-telling and scenario design. Then use the MUL for something as mundane as figuring out who has access to what design. There's nothing sexy about the MUL—except for the shear amount of nerd juice that thing is capable of pumping out—but there's plenty sexy about a TRO that can give a little life to an otherwise meaningless set of stats.

At least, that IMO. 
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Re: Omnimechs in the dark age
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2013, 10:19:27 AM »

Guess I'm kinda the minority... I've never been a huge fan of 3025.  I liked the fiction of that era probably the most but it was later TROs.  Very much prefer the 3055 on wards, always liked the "high tech" BattleTech instead of the barely held together armies of earlier eras and the DA.

It was one of my motivations for creating an AU - no tech disarmament (even a PR one) - keep the WarShips - continue the fight - feels right to me.
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Re: Omnimechs in the dark age
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2013, 01:21:55 PM »

The only real difference between the old TROs and the new TROs is text emphasis. Plenty of older TROs focused way too much on extraneous and inconsequential data instead of story fiction and game use. The "new" style reasserts a unit's position in the game universe, while offering fiction geared towards gaming. Each battle entry can be recreated by players into usable gaming scenarios or tracks. This isn't so much a Jane's-style stat book than it is a unit-specific Total Chaos gaming supplement.

This isn't directed towards you DC, but I've been surprised by the number of players who have missed that very important, very core point of the new TROs. 
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« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2013, 03:11:22 PM »

Honestly, the presentation in the new TROs is pretty old school, and is reminiscent of the original TRO 3025 & 2750 everyone loves so much. This is one of the reasons why I find it kinda ironic when players who WORSHIP FASA's original stuff don't like the new/old style TRO 3145. Read the original entry for the Locust, and compare it to a new TRO 3145 entry if you don't believe me. The similarities are right there.

Absolutely. I just kind of hated TRO 3025 and 3026 (both the material and the time period). I came into FASA products prior to 3050, but I didn't come into Battletech until post-Invasion but pre-Bulldog. My entrance point heavily influenced my tastes, and I really didn't find most BT products to really pop until FASA was out the door. So I don't have the attachment to the older style that some do. For example, I find the Star League sourcebook to be a pretty lackluster product.

As for searching, that's why we have the MUL.

And agreed again, mostly. I just find the MUL updating to be a bit too slow for my tastes (I also don't find the interface to be the most effective, but that's more user preference and not really important). I also don't care so much for buying a TRO that doesn't tell me who uses it, when it can be settled in a sentence or two that doesn't break up the narrative flow a great deal.  Especially when some of the entries do have those type of sentences. Either don't do it, or do it. The in-between state feels like reduced value to me. Is it enough to make me dislike the new TROs? No, definitely not. I'm incredibly happy with the focus of these TROs, the units themselves, and the changes being highlighted in 3145 vs. 305X. But it is something that makes me wonder if I'll buy all the TROs, especially those for factions I normally don't favor. At the start of this TRO release, I had no doubts about buying all of them. Now, I'll consider each TRO a bit more before a possible purchase.
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Re: Omnimechs in the dark age
« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2013, 03:36:14 PM »

I actually like that last sentence a lot.

Somebody might shoot me for this, but BattleTech products aren't Pokemon Cards. You don't have to catch, or collect them all. I always considered BattleTech to be somewhat of a thinking man's game/universe. So I fully expect fans to pick and chose what they like or dislike. That's the beauty of these releases, you don't have to buy them all, just the ones you love.

TROs are game supplements, not storyline drivers. They flesh out the universe and expand the playable game, but that's about it. Oh, and look so so pretty.

 
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Re: Omnimechs in the dark age
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2013, 04:27:52 PM »

That's the beauty of these releases, you don't have to buy them all, just the ones you love.



my problem is that I love the game in general... so mech porn is mech porn...
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« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2013, 06:56:44 PM »

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Re: Omnimechs in the dark age
« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2013, 07:00:00 PM »

Someone should use that line in their signature.
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« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2013, 04:12:08 AM »

...Oh, you didn't mean the line about the mech porn. Nevermind.

Normally, I'm pretty selective about BT products, particularly since I stepped away from the game almost entirely however long back. I knew the Star League, Age of War, and Reunification War products weren't for me, no matter the quality. So I mostly skipped the better part of a year's worth of product. But ER 3145 hooked me enough to want to commit to buying all the TROs. I may still do so. But that one (notably minor) criticism is that there could be a bit stronger editorial consistency. The deployment data versus famous battles isn't the only inconsistency in the 3145 TROs, so I thought it was worth bringing up the issue.

To counterbalance that, I'll proudly state that I've found the 3145 TROs to be some of the best written to date, editorial issues aside. They're far more engaging than even Prototypes, which I thought held the title for a while. They also move worlds away from many of the issues that 3085 had, not the least of which was the idea of building a TRO based on movement profiles lacking in the game.
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« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2013, 01:09:28 PM »

I find it kinda ironic when players who WORSHIP FASA's original stuff don't like the new/old style TRO 3145.

I appreciate how TR:3145 improves on Catalyst's previous style, but the book won't be all battles all the time, right? Battle History was only one part of what made TR:3025 good and it wasn't even used in TR:2750. (Nor in TR:3050, though that one was all factories all the time instead.)
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« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2013, 06:01:05 PM »

I find it kinda ironic when players who WORSHIP FASA's original stuff don't like the new/old style TRO 3145.

I appreciate how TR:3145 improves on Catalyst's previous style, but the book won't be all battles all the time, right? Battle History was only one part of what made TR:3025 good and it wasn't even used in TR:2750. (Nor in TR:3050, though that one was all factories all the time instead.)

No dedicated battle history at all. The entries more (or less) weave use, style, scenario and how awesome the unit is into a cohesive narrative.
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