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Re: Poll: Sanctity of the Unseen/Reseen
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2012, 10:49:55 PM »

I do not make a big deal out of it.  if you ask me I think that the Moderators at the BT Forums are a bunch of oversensitve aunt nellies who inconsistantly apply the rules.  In the case of God and Davion, if I ever meet him in person I will punch him.
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Re: Poll: Sanctity of the Unseen/Reseen
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2012, 12:26:03 AM »

Anyway...

     While I chose the fourth option of including the unseen/reseen designs as being just as viable as any other design in a cull, I feel that Battletech needs less of a cull and more a compartmentalization of the various eras.  We have mechs that have been on production for ages, such as the Wasp which has been around since 2464 according to XTR: Primitives II yet has a new variant being introduced in 3082 (618 years!).  While it initially made some sense in the original setting to have these long production runs, as these were supposed to have been the main units used by the SLDF and there had not been any new breakthroughs following the fall of the Star League.  There have since been many designs introduced to fill the gaps, most damningly TRO3058 and TRO3075's primitives section.  Instead of removing a portion of the designs, just install and enforce some introduction and extinction dates.  Yes, I know we have introduction dates already, but they only effect new units when playing an older era.  We need something in place to restrict older units in newer eras.  The only Wasps you should be seeing during the Succession Wars are hollowed out museum pieces or unusable wrecks buried in forgotten depots.  While I can see some older mechs (but not Wasp or Mackie old) still being used in the modern era by bottom-tier units, militias, and pirates, these ancient designs would have been phased out for newer designs in most units, and it is only replacement costs and parts stockpiles that keep them in use where they are used.
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Re: Poll: Sanctity of the Unseen/Reseen
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2012, 10:04:14 AM »

I like the idea of some mechs having been in constant production since the age of war, though I can count those chassis on one hand (Wasp, Archer, Banshee)

I would have liked it if some old standbys truly ceased production by 3055 (most SLDF "Classics", the Javelin, Grasshopper, Charger, Cyclops, Quickdraw)

and it is a good thing that the Jihad spelled the death knell for a lot of mechs (anything distinctly blakist, about half of the Dragoons exclusives and most of the more boring SLDF Mechs)

the ones that occupy such an odd place for me are the age of war mechs from TRO 3075.  I LOVE those machines, and that a lot of them are getting latter day revivals excites me. 
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Re: Poll: Sanctity of the Unseen/Reseen
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2012, 12:03:48 PM »

In the case of God and Davion, if I ever meet him in person I will punch him.
Couldn't agree more, though I've only gotten a warning from, but I thought it was an overreaction on his part.
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Re: Poll: Sanctity of the Unseen/Reseen
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2012, 01:43:14 PM »

I can see newer versions of older designs remaining in production (mainly in smaller states/the periphery) and older mechs remaining in use (lower tier mercs/pirates/militia's).

But for the most part newer designs should become more common.
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Re: Poll: Sanctity of the Unseen/Reseen
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2012, 01:54:43 AM »

Anyway...

     While I chose the fourth option of including the unseen/reseen designs as being just as viable as any other design in a cull, I feel that Battletech needs less of a cull and more a compartmentalization of the various eras.

Hear, hear!  A bit stronger emphasis on the separation in time of the various versions would help.. but isn't it kinda a given in this game that a BattleMech can sit buried up to its neck in mouldering requisition forms at some forgotten depot, and be started up again pretty much as though it walked off the assembly line yesterday - instead of two hundred years ago?

Or have I confused that scenario with the 'family heirloom' machines?  I dunno, I guess I just think that an old WWII German tank, even if you could get it running after making the replacement parts by hand, would be really expensive to maintain and not much of a contender on a modern battlefield. 

I guess I've always been under the impression that the natural senescence of any given BattleMech was handwaved away under the heading 'in the future, nothing related to a 'Mech goes bad from age'.

That makes the compartmentalization a bit harder, to my mind.  What would you suggest they do?  How would they better 'enforce' the extinction dates for a given piece of hardware?  It does make sense to do it. 

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Re: Poll: Sanctity of the Unseen/Reseen
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2012, 05:03:27 PM »

Anyway...

     While I chose the fourth option of including the unseen/reseen designs as being just as viable as any other design in a cull, I feel that Battletech needs less of a cull and more a compartmentalization of the various eras.

Hear, hear!  A bit stronger emphasis on the separation in time of the various versions would help.. but isn't it kinda a given in this game that a BattleMech can sit buried up to its neck in mouldering requisition forms at some forgotten depot, and be started up again pretty much as though it walked off the assembly line yesterday - instead of two hundred years ago?

That makes the compartmentalization a bit harder, to my mind.  What would you suggest they do?  How would they better 'enforce' the extinction dates for a given piece of hardware?  It does make sense to do it. 

Cent13

it is more like any machines that are in long term storage have been conditioned for that, as have the buildings, so as to be easily refurbished and made battlefield ready.  leave a mech in a gantry exposed to the elements for 200 years and it will be a rusted out shitbox.  leave a large chache of weapons and equipment on Helm for a punch of pissant mercs to find, in a facility designed by the DoME and you will at least be able to refurbish anything since the mechs and the facility were conditioned that way.

the compartmentalization is easy to pull off and is already being done to an effect through Random Assignment Tables found in Historicals and Era Reports.  In a great big throw-down game no one is going to care, but you try explain to your fellow players what that Seraph is doing in a Reunifacation War Scenario...  it is largely up to players to enforce each other,

 all Catalyst or it's successors can do is make sure that in artwork mechs appear in the proper era's which can be done with judicious editing something CGL is actually really good at (particularly compared to FASA)
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