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The IlClan
« on: February 10, 2013, 11:58:55 PM »

Hello.


As you may be aware, the upcoming crop of Dark Age files being worked on by Catalyst Game Labs will reportedly be capped by an upcoming ilClan sourcebook. At this point, there has been no major clue or hint given as to exactly who the ilClan will be; or, in fact, if the term refers to what one would normally presume it to (i.e. with a Clan victorious at Terra). If I'm not mistaken (and I may well be on this one), there seems to have at least been a clarification of who it won't be; no "dead" clans, and no Abjured Clans (as in, clans Abjured prior to the Wars of Reaving, such as the Nova Cats or the Wolves-in-Exile).

In any case, it seems that the events of this particular sourcebook will have a profound enough effect as to allow for the next great leap forward into the uncharted waters of the 3250 era.


If one were to assume that things are what they appear to be on the label (that we are indeed talking about a Clan taking, and holding, Terra), who would you consider to be the most likely candidate for the role of ilClan?


Personally, if there is to be such a dramatic shift, I would sooner see it coming from the Homeworlds (and/or a suitably prepared launchpad in Hansa space), bringing with it the kind of "off-camera" developments which would enable it to take the Inner Sphere by storm, and still have the werewithal to stay there once Terra has fallen.

Yes, the Wolves and Falcons are closest to Terra as of 3145; but I can't say I'd be overly excited about seeing either Alaric or Malvina secure the grand prize, plus I would imagine the re-built RAF giving both factions pause for thought once the Fortress walls come back down.

As I would see it, the Republic, Wolves, and Falcons would drive each other to exhaustion; leaving all three (and the Lyrans) vulnerable to a wave of invasion coming in from Hansa space, through and over the Rim Territories (which, unlike the Barrens' micro-states, would not have Clan-sponsored fortifications built up to act as speedbumps).

And given the kind of logistical planning which the Star Adders would put in to such a campaign (especially if they retained their position as the pre-eminent Homeworld Clan by 3145), they would be the Clan one would most expect to prepare the kind of resources needed to capture Terra and ensure that they could properly hold it.

(And from an out-of-universe perspective, I feel that rewarding the success of The Wars of Reaving by driving the surviving Homeworld Clans' narrative into the heart of the Inner Sphere would not only count as a more dramatic break from previous eras than simply having the Wolves or Falcons dget there; but could allow the kind of advancements already shown to have been "adopted" from the Society to feed into the long-term process of developing whatever new-generation technolgies we would see when 3250 rolls around.)

So, while I fully expect to be proved otherwise, I would consider the Star Adders to be my best bet for ilClan.
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Re: The IlClan
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2013, 12:42:44 AM »

I would agree wiht you on your hypothesis of the Star Adders, but how they get there will involve numerous twists, especially if Mr.Rome is involved.  If Ken gets the job, I see the Clan Spaniel taking the prize.
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Re: The IlClan
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2013, 12:43:15 AM »

I'd take 2 steps backward from 3250 and turn left at the moment I believe anything beyond the DA at the moment including ilClan are on hold until the Development team can assess the potential damage of it by all accounts first unveilings of the plans did not go too well

From what I understand which isn't much if honest more time is now going to be focused on DA materials

I also believe all he Homeworlds Clans were ruled out by Herb
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Really, as long as there is an unbroken line of people calling themselves "Clan Nova Cat," it doesn't really matter to me if they're still using Iron Wombs or not. They may be dead as a faction, but as a people they still exist. It's not uncommon in the real world, after all.

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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2013, 01:00:32 AM »

I asked about the Homeworld Clans in one of last year's BattleChats, and I read the answer as saying they were covered under the we-can't-talk-about-it-right-now heading; which I took to mean that they weren't being explicitly ruled out in public just yet.

(Looking back, I suppose it could be read the other way, too.)
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Re: The IlClan
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2013, 07:44:34 AM »

I like Clan Spaniel. My money is on Clan Wolverine.
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Re: The IlClan
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2013, 12:34:09 PM »

I'd take 2 steps backward from 3250 and turn left at the moment I believe anything beyond the DA at the moment including ilClan are on hold until the Development team can assess the potential damage of it by all accounts first unveilings of the plans did not go too well

I don't know that anything will necessarily change with the plans (which seemed like little more than the very earliest stages of pre-planning). From Herb's most recent comments, it appears more that they simply won't reveal any more details, as people (as usual) drastically overreacted to a few minor teasers. Additionally, if CGL changed plans based on the outcry of not even a majority of the active posters on the BT forums (the entire forum membership, not just active posters, is not even a statistically significant representation of the consumer/purchaser base)...well, they wouldn't ever get much in the way of any product out ever. Damage? Yeah, I think that's a gross misrepresentation. The usual whining and fear of anything even resembling change or forward growth? Yeah, but that's nothing new. This community (and most game communities...heck most cultures) is an old hand at being tantrum throwing children when their porridge isn't just right. From vague memory, I believe Herb still mentioned that the IlClan book was on in the most recent chat as well. And the ilClan book wasn't mentioned as being related to 3250 directly in the past, simply something leading towards that era.
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Re: The IlClan
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2013, 12:37:45 PM »

I dunno, murmerings are that when Herb Dropped the IlClan bomb last August the infighting oiver who it would be alone caused so much panic that everyone involved (including Herb himself) kind of gave herb a smack on the back of the head for dropping a bomb way too soon.  it is still in the air whether the ilClan is going to be pursued now or not as a result.

at least if I understand correctly
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Re: The IlClan
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2013, 12:55:25 PM »

I don't mind the idea of the ilClan, or a society run by the Clans with the Succession Lords a distant memory it would be something completely different which could be nice.

Problem is people are so married to their various factions it could get pretty sticky I myself am a Nova Cat, Federated Suns and Northwind Highlanders fan.  The Jihad pretty much killed the Highlanders - thanks Republic - crippled the Nova Cats - thanks Republic - and the DA screws the Federated Suns - thanks Caleb

so....

a change may be good in my opinion.
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Really, as long as there is an unbroken line of people calling themselves "Clan Nova Cat," it doesn't really matter to me if they're still using Iron Wombs or not. They may be dead as a faction, but as a people they still exist. It's not uncommon in the real world, after all.

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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2013, 02:12:13 PM »

I don't mind the idea of the ilClan, or a society run by the Clans with the Succession Lords a distant memory it would be something completely different which could be nice.

Problem is people are so married to their various factions it could get pretty sticky I myself am a Nova Cat, Federated Suns and Northwind Highlanders fan.  The Jihad pretty much killed the Highlanders - thanks Republic - crippled the Nova Cats - thanks Republic - and the DA screws the Federated Suns - thanks Caleb

so....

a change may be good in my opinion.

the Nova Cats in the Combine rebuild Alpha Delta, and Tau Galaxies in the interim, and use them in the invasion of the former Diereon District with Gusto.  they may not have warships, but they are resurgent, and possibly ascendant.
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Re: The IlClan
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2013, 02:30:35 PM »

I dunno, murmerings are that when Herb Dropped the IlClan bomb last August the infighting oiver who it would be alone caused so much panic that everyone involved (including Herb himself) kind of gave herb a smack on the back of the head for dropping a bomb way too soon.  it is still in the air whether the ilClan is going to be pursued now or not as a result.

at least if I understand correctly

If product development starts getting determined by the reaction of a overly loud minority of the forum...then I picked the right time to stop buying product. I can understand the issue with releasing teasers too early, or dropping too much information. That shouldn't really have the tiniest bit of impact on the product development, particularly when you are dealing with such a small sample size.
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Re: The IlClan
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2013, 02:56:38 PM »

I like Clan Spaniel. My money is on Clan Wolverine.

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Re: The IlClan
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2013, 04:44:17 PM »

If product development starts getting determined by the reaction of a overly loud minority of the forum...then I picked the right time to stop buying product. I can understand the issue with releasing teasers too early, or dropping too much information. That shouldn't really have the tiniest bit of impact on the product development, particularly when you are dealing with such a small sample size.

We pretty much ignore everybody. There's a reason why Herb and the bosses have a BattleTech Summit - it's to make decisions without the influence of the unwashed.

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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2013, 08:06:39 PM »

the Nova Cats in the Combine rebuild Alpha Delta, and Tau Galaxies in the interim, and use them in the invasion of the former Diereon District with Gusto.  they may not have warships, but they are resurgent, and possibly ascendant.

They renamed the 3 Galaxies that remained in the combine Alpha, Delta and Tau as a morale booster all 3 are little more than garrison Galaxies using SLDF era and modern DC Mechs.  The Nova Cats have few (if any Elementals since they don't produce them) and few have more than a couple more stars of OmniMechs they are also woefully unexperienced compared to the 3 units that left to the Republic which was why they got torn to bits during the 2nd DC/Dominion War.

In 3100s you're right they do appear to have rebuilt at least some of their bite with new OmniMech designs helping lead their charge ascendant I'm unsure, we'll just have to wait and see how it pans out, the Nova Cats could end up whole hog joining the Republic by 3145 seeking refuge from the hostile Combine.  If that were to happen bye bye Clan.

To be fair I wouldn't be completely surprised if that was the plan, the Wolf (in-Exile) and Nova Cats are sort of the spare end Clans in modern BattleTech during the Clan War they had their place then during the Jihad they were perfect ways to build Stone(r)'s power but now you have to wonder if they have a place

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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2013, 08:24:09 PM »

Katana Tormark would have had to screw them horribly then.  the Khans eyes in Heretics faith went wide and her reaction for Katana's request for just under half the clan's fighting force (implying 6 to 7 total galaxies) went from "Are you kidding?" to "Do you want a fourth galaxy?"
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2013, 08:51:57 PM »

Katana Tormark would have had to screw them horribly then.  the Khans eyes in Heretics faith went wide and her reaction for Katana's request for just under half the clan's fighting force (implying 6 to 7 total galaxies) went from "Are you kidding?" to "Do you want a fourth galaxy?"

I'll have to read that again I was under the impression they had 3 galaxies and she wanted most of them.  The Nova Cats did seem to have an ace up their sleeve but Katana had 2 aces and so they helped her.

7 galaxies would rival the Clan even at its strongest so I'd be surprised if they had that many but as I said need to read it again
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Really, as long as there is an unbroken line of people calling themselves "Clan Nova Cat," it doesn't really matter to me if they're still using Iron Wombs or not. They may be dead as a faction, but as a people they still exist. It's not uncommon in the real world, after all.
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