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Re: The problem with BT is...
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2012, 01:36:08 AM »



Just my two pence.     



Well-spent, if you ask me.  I agree on all counts.  Some folks are holding the game up to real-world standards and... it's a game.  Compromises have been made; it's a vision of the far-future as seen from the mid-1980s, made in the form of a tabletop game a body can begin, play and finish in a few hours.  'Realism' suffers accordingly.  Don't you guys understand granularity?  The Thirty-Meter Limit?

  There is a lot of stuff in the late 1980s they thought we'd have by now.  Ain't here.  There was a lot of stuff that showed up early this year that made some BT technology obsolete overnight.  I mean, really... noteputers?

I wrassled with a fan-made book for four years.  The dang thing ain't easy.  So ease up on the BT universe.  Not all of us find it so disagreeable.

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Re: The problem with BT is...
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2012, 01:39:21 AM »

You just hit upon one of my problems with ACs.  The artwork and drawings of mechs with ACs show them as single barreled, large bore cannons (usually).  What gives?  Burst or single shot?  Single barrel or Gatling multi-barrel?  Rifled or smoothbore?  TPTB MAKE A DECISION, PLEASE!

It's probably made by a number of different manufacturers whose sole guiding precept is: make it look ginchy.  And you know how it is with fashion - last year's AC with the radiator fins and the sparkly finish is out.  We're going with the Noveau Industrial look now.

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Re: The problem with BT is...
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2012, 04:38:38 PM »

This is not meant to be a serious thread.  It is meant to be a (mostly) tounge in cheek complaint thread pointing out the "problems" of BT.  Yes, the reasons for the "problems" are usually because of playability but we can still complain about them.  Its a free country (for now).  Unless you live in China or France. :P
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Re: The problem with BT is...
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2012, 05:49:21 PM »

Humph...I'm serious even when I'm not acting serious. Seriously.
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Re: The problem with BT is...
« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2012, 09:47:38 AM »

The problem with British Telecom is they are crap, unfortunatly where i live there is nothing better.
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Re: The problem with BT is...
« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2012, 03:14:10 PM »

Its a free country (for now).  Unless you live in China or France. :P

You must be confused...
China is the big country with freedom, France is the smaller country with freedom.
The rest of the world is just that but without freedom.

Where did you get that idea?
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Re: The problem with BT is...
« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2012, 10:56:50 AM »

Honestly, the biggest thing wrong with battletech is the same thing that is wrong with anything that has a large group of dedicated fans.  That problem is battletech fans themselves.  Whether it was bitching about project phoenix, hatred over the Dark Age, or why Katherine Steiner Davion had to wait till she was 108 to get stabbed in the throat, some of the most ardent fans are also some of the most unreasonably demanding.

one need only wander over to the official forums and say "Land Air Mech" and watch the fireworks.  Or ask about the Phantom Mech Ability.  Heck these days you can even ponder why the home clans would not embrace the Nova CEWS, CLPS, and Null signature systems.

If you want to know how truly bad it can get, one need only look at this example.  In 2004 I finally started getting into miniature building and painting.  I had a lance that was made of a Berserker (my first Mini ever!) Mad Cat, Enforcer III, and Rifleman.  that rifleman was the newest addition and a Project Phoenix Model.  I brought it to a random game in St Louis, and put it down on the table.  another player asked what mech that was and thought it was really cool.  when i said it was a new model rifleman he assumed I was proxying and asked what the mech really was.  when I pulled out TRO Project phoenix, he threw the mother of all shit-fits, tossed my book in the trash and broke the miniature, handing me an unseen and telling me he would not let me play unless i used a "REAL" rifleman mini.

does behavior like that welcome new players?  does behavior like that put a good face on the larger community?  I realize people like this are a minute portion of the larger Mech Head Community, but I still work my tail off every day to make sure these people are mitigated and minimized, so we can welcome as may players as possible.
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Re: The problem with BT is...
« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2012, 03:39:25 PM »

Yes, people like that are indeed the problem with any group of fans (Star Wars, Star Trek, Gundam, religion, etc).  They're less fans and more fanatics -- the just the sort of people who'd join the Word of Blake or its equivalent in their fandom.  I've spent far too much of my time battling such people -- and it's why I now avoid major forums like the plague.  I'm involved in things to have fun.  While I'm perfectly capable of picking them to pieces, I don't do it in order to disparage the system overall, and try to enjoy things for what they are without getting too caught up in what they are not.
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Re: The problem with BT is...
« Reply #38 on: June 08, 2012, 05:31:33 PM »

Yes, people like that are indeed the problem with any group of fans (Star Wars, Star Trek, Gundam, religion, etc).  They're less fans and more fanatics -- the just the sort of people who'd join the Word of Blake or its equivalent in their fandom.

Not sure how that comparison works. The Word of Blake was anything but monolithic and blindly devoted. Probably EVERYTHING but. It's one of the core reasons for their failure.
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Re: The problem with BT is...
« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2012, 03:24:45 PM »

Yep, they were, however, also a collection of hard-core crazies -- everyone who wanted to make everyone else follow their own beliefs, even though they couldn't, as a whole, decide upon what those beliefs were, but rather devolved into various factions.  It's like every fanatic with a pet view of how things should be got together, got pissed, and then fizzled out.

After all, there's more than one type or group of fanatics in any fandom.  They rarely agree on anything more than that most people aren't "real" or "true" fans -- and will proceed to lecture everyone else at the drop of a hat.

Isn't that pretty much what the WoB did?
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Re: The problem with BT is...
« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2012, 03:29:59 PM »

I hear ya guys. I don't really like change myself but inflexibility like the kind you find from certain folks in the BT community is just plain sad.
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Re: The problem with BT is...
« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2012, 05:17:29 PM »

But my way IS the best way.  You all are just going to have to get used to that fact.  Also I'm very popular, successful, powerful, I can talk to animals, my sweat is sold as an aphrodisiac, I've discovered a cure for cancer, and I know what rattles around in a can of spray paint. 8)
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Re: The problem with BT is...
« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2012, 06:11:28 PM »

No I'm SPARTACUS!
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Re: The problem with BT is...
« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2012, 12:56:32 AM »

Isn't that pretty much what the WoB did?

You and I view the Jihad very differently.  ;)

Probably easier to leave it at that.
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