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Re: Time Jump
« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2012, 05:50:03 PM »

Dread, though it is a shame to loose a contributor of your calibre from the BT community, I respect your views and your choice to share them so openly on the internet, where such views can often lead to the OP being vilified.

I must admit that I have never really looked hard at BT in such a way, merely using it as an escape, however, I don't read the official fiction much anymore as I find it too simple.  Your analysis of the roles of female characters was interesting though and I will take a more focused look in future.

Additionally, it will be interesting to ask my wife, who also plays, if she has noticed the same characterisations.
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Re: Time Jump
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2012, 05:56:50 PM »

I'll still contribute here and there (okay, mostly here, and not so much over at that more official type place) as a commentator. And no, I don't expect most of my views to be shared by the community. It's pretty clear I'm unhappy with the setting and the product lately. Rather than spend the next decade sniping about at other fans about "back in my day...", I made my reasonings clear here, and that's really all that needed to be done. So no, I'm not entirely disappearing.

Re: openness on the internet. Due in large part to the communities that brought me into the internet, I adapted a nearly fully visible presence online a long time ago. Pretty much any place that isn't BT related (as I was known by Dread Moores), I use my full name. After getting clean, honesty became not only a good policy, but my only option to remain so. If somebody wants to track me down, a screen name isn't going to slow them down. Using my own name forces me to consider more closely what I say, and whether I'm following the Greater Internet Fuckwad method. Oh, and if somebody wants to steal my credit...well, I hope they have more luck with it than I do.  ;D

And I constantly overanalyze games. I have a weird philosophy, something I haven't found many gamers to follow. Most folks are into gaming for the escape aspect or for fun and enjoyment. While I certainly appreciate those aspects of it, gaming and creation is one of the things that quite literally helps to keep me sane and well-adjusted. As a result, I do tend to take it more seriously than I generally should.
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Re: Time Jump
« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2012, 07:36:17 PM »

I must admit that I have never really looked hard at BT in such a way, merely using it as an escape, however, I don't read the official fiction much anymore as I find it too simple.  Your analysis of the roles of female characters was interesting though and I will take a more focused look in future.

+1! Dread your comments are thought provoking and I'm glad you'll be hanging around OBT. I spent the afternoon looking up cheesecake.  ;)
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Re: Time Jump
« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2012, 07:48:56 PM »

I want to see her ally with Julian Davion and Callendre Kell (another great Female Lead, neither cheesecake, nor dependent on Julian, nor one of thew boys in anything but the most superficial way)

Callendre was borderline on cheesecake for me, but not enough to be overly problematic. Perhaps surprisingly, I find myself agreeing that she doesn't fit the rest of the tropes mentioned earlier. I still didn't find her to be that great of a character though. She's meant more as a whirling dervish, which leads to more of a caricature than a full-fledged character. There's definite potential there though.


Callendre is only cheesecake in that she is a female character that was presented to provoke.  the most provocative thing presented about her appearence was her leather jacket and ever changing hair color, other wise she was described in my eyes as merely being fit (as befits a solider) and reasonably attractive (as Julian beats himself up for breaking up with her).  she is a whirling dervish for sure, a daredevil, a rouge.  she is confident and agressive when the situation calls for it.  yes these are qualities found in male characters, but they are not in my eyes inherently masculine either.
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Re: Time Jump
« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2012, 08:52:33 AM »

Yeah, I had pretty much the opposite reaction. As did the (few) female fans that I know that read any of the novels. The assault is completely unnecessary, horribly handled, and another of the many examples found in literature of exploiting rape as a convenient plot device. Obviously opinions will vary on this, but this is likely a point we won't agree on. Danai would be the character I was commenting about at the beginning. I'd also strongly disagree that the whole book was about her overcoming her sexual assault. I found that the assault was treated far too superficially, reactions (her own and others) were very inconsistent, and a very long research period with some treatment counselors or survivors groups would have been strongly recommended.


I'm not going to enter into the debate, but I do know that Ilsa Bick is a licensed psychiatrist who has dealt with such issues on a professional basis.
And is very unlikely to write for BattleTech again.
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Re: Time Jump
« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2012, 01:40:01 PM »

Can we ditch the overly visible misogyny already?

A number will probably scoff that this is coming from me, but I do my best to be sensitive to this sort of thing.  I can't say that I find issue with all the same things you have, but I don't feel your complaints are without merit.  I am rather new to the Catalyst family, but it is my intent to avoid such characterizations in the work I create. 

As for the whole "Danai should marry Caleb" nonsense, please don't hold the game or Catalyst accountable for everything spouted by a few kids on the internet.  Sadly, there are folks like that in every game community. 
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Re: Time Jump
« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2012, 02:12:28 PM »

I am rather new to the Catalyst family, but it is my intent to avoid such characterizations in the work I create. 

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Re: Time Jump
« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2012, 02:45:50 PM »

A number will probably scoff that this is coming from me, but I do my best to be sensitive to this sort of thing.  I can't say that I find issue with all the same things you have, but I don't feel your complaints are without merit.  I am rather new to the Catalyst family, but it is my intent to avoid such characterizations in the work I create. 

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Re: Time Jump
« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2012, 03:34:40 PM »

A number will probably scoff that this is coming from me, but I do my best to be sensitive to this sort of thing.  I can't say that I find issue with all the same things you have, but I don't feel your complaints are without merit.  I am rather new to the Catalyst family, but it is my intent to avoid such characterizations in the work I create. 

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You take fan opinion with a pinch of salt 70-80% of the time, if you allowed ever fan's opinion to trouble your work then you'd get nothing done.   Sometimes fan communities come up with gems sometimes nonesense.  I for one am glad I don't have to sift through all the opinion.

One thing the current Catalyst Devs have to have kudos from they're willing to go against public opinion and keep things to themselves for as long as possible without gauging fan opinion before release.  I've seen some developers are always dropping tib-bits into discussions to welt opinion and see if they are heading in the right direction.  Largely Catalyst have avoided doing that (this far)
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Re: Time Jump
« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2012, 03:58:24 PM »

It's one of the reason why Factcheckers and Playtesters exist. They have opinions, and provide feedback.
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Re: Time Jump
« Reply #40 on: October 13, 2012, 08:09:13 PM »

This is interesting from a thread on CBT

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Quote from: Rebel Yell on Today at 05:11:33 AM

    Since it's already an anagram, would that 3250=3025.   }:)


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« Reply #41 on: October 13, 2012, 09:34:52 PM »

Yeah I saw that. Does make sense and it is a nice touch!
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Re: Time Jump
« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2012, 08:28:17 AM »

It could also mean Herb is taking the piss again!!  Herb has a tendency to throw things in just to get a reaction it's like testing the waters without even doing anything
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Re: Time Jump
« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2012, 10:41:02 AM »

I see from Herb's latest post that Ben came up with that date (3250) after they banded about some others.
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Re: Time Jump
« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2012, 02:01:44 PM »

It could also mean Herb is taking the piss again!!  Herb has a tendency to throw things in just to get a reaction it's like testing the waters without even doing anything

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