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TRO fluff that confuses you
« on: June 19, 2012, 12:13:44 PM »

I was paging through 3058U and ran across this passage:

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For two centuries, the Supernova remained the same; however, the Nova Cat Touman needed ’Mechs requiring less resources to build and maintain. This task required the efforts from four of the Nova Cat castes. The designers made one fundamental change to the assault ’Mech, not counting weapon load outs and nearly maximized armor protection: the use of endo steel.

And that left me a bit mystified. The Supernova uses standard structure, engine, and gyro. It does use double heat sinks (which if one gives credence to ER: 2750, these upgraded heat sinks require an orbital endo steel facility to manufacture). However, the primary model uses nothing else but jump jets and ER large lasers, a type of weapon specifically noted that the resource starved Blood Spirits focused on using (due to their lower resource cost compared to autocannons and particle cannons). So what exactly is saving resources? The newer variants require an orbital endo steel facility (something that may already have been required for the double heat sinks), but endo steel is definitely more resource intensive to replace and repair. It also precludes the ability to make the new variants as field refits. Additionally, the new variants definitely require more resources by using ATMs, targeting computers, and and PPCs. So how exactly do these new variants save on resources?

The topic isn't specifically for this 'Mech, but I just thought it was a topic worth discussing. I'm sure there are other examples out there as well. This just happened to be the first one I noticed recently. Anybody else have other ones?
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Re: TRO fluff that confuses you
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2012, 12:53:54 PM »

I think it was research and development costs and time the Supernova was a proven chassis so they didn't have to spent precious time and resource on developing something new

Using all the castes
Warrior - what they want in a Mech in this case something other than pure lasers

trader - what they can get to arm it - if its something they can't build

Labourer - what they can actually build - what the factories can produce immediately on this case Supernova chassis
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Really, as long as there is an unbroken line of people calling themselves "Clan Nova Cat," it doesn't really matter to me if they're still using Iron Wombs or not. They may be dead as a faction, but as a people they still exist. It's not uncommon in the real world, after all.

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Re: TRO fluff that confuses you
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2012, 01:35:46 PM »

That's True if it has been around more than a decade they usually have all the kinks worked out. Also remember with Trials of Possession resources ,equipment or rarely scientists could be taken when the Clan needs it most. Remember Clan Smoke Jaguar mostly used Trials to get what they needed. In my Clan's opinion they could not make things they had to trial for everything.
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Re: TRO fluff that confuses you
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2012, 01:44:41 PM »

I think it was research and development costs and time the Supernova was a proven chassis so they didn't have to spent precious time and resource on developing something new

That doesn't seem to add up with the fluff though. Why put any R&D into building (effectively) a brand new Supernova that requires an endo steel chassis (something it never had before), advanced ammo weapons (something it never had before), and targeting computer production (something it never had before)? Even if the Cats left without the plans for the Supernova (doubtful, since they are the only ones that built it, AFAIK), how is it more resource intensive to get R&D to recreate a standard chassis, standard engine Supernova, than one with all the bells and whistles?

I don't disagree that changes to the Supernova were useful to the Clan, and perhaps even desired. What doesn't make sense is how a more advanced design, manufactured in a way it never has been before, with weapons it has never had before would end up being less resource intensive.
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Re: TRO fluff that confuses you
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2012, 04:26:07 PM »

Maybe they saw it as easier and less resources to upgrade the Supernova design, something they understand, than to research something new
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Re: TRO fluff that confuses you
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2012, 04:46:40 PM »

Really with the Endo Steel fram it comes down to "We have the chassis molds, how can we make it work with this different material, what points need reinforcment?  what points can the support be shaved thanks to the bulk."

it is not so much a "is this possible" issue as it is a "how can we make it work with what we got?" issue.

while construction may be more resource intensive, the idea is that by adding much more armor you are making a mech that has a greater chance to return to base then in the past 200 years, and it is cheaper to repair a machine then replace.
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