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TRO3025 1986 1st edition Lost Locust PPC armed Variant
« on: December 06, 2011, 05:26:43 PM »
Over on CBT forums there has been talk of a "lost" variant of the (unseen) Locust (Fluff text only) that was mentioned in TRO3025 1st edition 1986 printing, ISBN 0-931787-84-X, a Davion armed PPC variant,

as I have a couple of the old TRO3025 that came out with the unseen designs in them, I check But I do not have the early copy with the Battle History fluff text, does any one Here ?,

OH the fluff text is as follows :

During the Davion-Kurita battle over Royal, House
Davion introduced a new class of Locust mounting heavy
Magna PPC. Due to difficulties with the O/P 911 targeting
system and massive overheating, this version proved to
be an utter flop. The kick from their PPC actually knocked
down these small 'Mechs in combat. Forcing them to
withdraw from combat. Not surprisingly, House Davion
gave up its plans for this variant.


1 poster also mentioned that in the 1sr ed TRO3025 the Hatchetman had some fluff (removed in later eds) something about 2 heat sinks being fitted in the Hatchet ?, again can anyone confirm ?, even better if say a scan be put up say.

Dave.
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Re: TRO3025 1986 1st edition Lost Locust PPC armed Variant
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2011, 08:49:43 PM »
Sorry, no scan, but yes, the original Hatchetman fluff text did show a pair of heat sinks in the hatchet (why I don't know, it wasn't a hot running machine!).  Of course, the original TRO 3025 Hatchetman didn't have to spend tonnage on the hatchet, so it was a much more formidable beast than the ones in subsequent editions.

And yes, the PPC-Locust was in the that edition, but only as fluff.  Moving 8/12, it could have been done, but only with NO armor.  Even dropping the speed to 7/11 allowed for just a single ton of armor.

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Re: TRO3025 1986 1st edition Lost Locust PPC armed Variant
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2011, 09:46:55 PM »
Yikes that is some poor protection MA!
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Ghost of Fisher...
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2011, 10:26:54 PM »
...whispering "Speed is armor" in your ear?
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Re: TRO3025 1986 1st edition Lost Locust PPC armed Variant
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2011, 02:34:27 AM »
Though if only 1 ton of armor is carried (on a 7/11), while poor it's the same protection as the LCT-1M that was in the same TRO, so there is a precedent for Davion designed Locust variants to have high fire power & low armor protection.

Dave.
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Re: TRO3025 1986 1st edition Lost Locust PPC armed Variant
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2011, 05:12:38 AM »
Whisper speed is armor all you want we of the the Clans know that is a fallacy
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Re: TRO3025 1986 1st edition Lost Locust PPC armed Variant
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2011, 11:03:51 PM »
It's there...poor man's Hussar
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Re: TRO3025 1986 1st edition Lost Locust PPC armed Variant
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2011, 02:53:00 PM »
Quote from: Davion_Boy on December 06, 2011, 05:26:43 PM
1 poster also mentioned that in the 1sr ed TRO3025 the Hatchetman had some fluff (removed in later eds) something about 2 heat sinks being fitted in the Hatchet ?, again can anyone confirm ?, even better if say a scan be put up say.

I am a bit surprised by this as the Hatcheman had no Hatchet to begin with, it was just the AC/10 that was being used as a Hatchet.
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Re: TRO3025 1986 1st edition Lost Locust PPC armed Variant
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2011, 03:50:38 AM »
Quote from: Ice Hellion on December 08, 2011, 02:53:00 PM
Quote from: Davion_Boy on December 06, 2011, 05:26:43 PM
1 poster also mentioned that in the 1sr ed TRO3025 the Hatchetman had some fluff (removed in later eds) something about 2 heat sinks being fitted in the Hatchet ?, again can anyone confirm ?, even better if say a scan be put up say.

I am a bit surprised by this as the Hatcheman had no Hatchet to begin with, it was just the AC/10 that was being used as a Hatchet.

The quote I put up in the first post - was a quote that  had read, I've not seen a first ed. TRO 3025 - wish I had, But I have seen the RS for the HCT-3NH (?) the Hatchetman with no Hatchet & IIRC 3 extra heat sinks,

If any one could / would put up scans of the Locust & the Hatchetman from TRO 3025 first edition that would be great, as I know it's only fluff changes we are discussing here, rather that "hard" changes to the designs.

Dave.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2011, 03:55:59 AM by Davion_Boy »
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Re: TRO3025 1986 1st edition Lost Locust PPC armed Variant
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2011, 03:54:56 PM »
The strange thing is that my edition (a Spanish one :P) doesn't mention the PPC Locust but the Hatchetman has no hatchet.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: TRO3025 1986 1st edition Lost Locust PPC armed Variant
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2011, 09:52:29 PM »
Quote from: Ice Hellion on December 12, 2011, 03:54:56 PM
The strange thing is that my edition (a Spanish one :P) doesn't mention the PPC Locust but the Hatchetman has no hatchet.

Strange indeed as you say, I know many years ago that there were published stats for the Hachetman HCT-3NH with no hatchet, but I've never seen any TRO "fluff" to support the stats,

Dave.
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Re: TRO3025 1986 1st edition Lost Locust PPC armed Variant
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2011, 02:58:11 PM »
Quote from: Davion_Boy on December 12, 2011, 09:52:29 PM
Strange indeed as you say, I know many years ago that there were published stats for the Hachetman HCT-3NH with no hatchet, but I've never seen any TRO "fluff" to support the stats,
Dave.

The fluff said the AC/10 was used as a hatchet.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: TRO3025 1986 1st edition Lost Locust PPC armed Variant
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2011, 11:04:53 PM »
In the original rules set, there were no rules for a piece of equipment called a hatchet.  Instead, FASA had it where any 'Mech could pick up an arm or a leg or tree and use a makeshift club.  The Hatchetman was unique in that it had a specially designed hatched that it carried in the right arm.  So, in fact, the original design as a 48-ton 'Mech (45 tons plus the three-ton hatchet).  Since it was carried, it consumed no critical slots.  That first Hatchetman had more armor instead--and was far tougher than WizKids later ret-conned Hatchetman.  The AC-10 was always torso mounted and was never a club, at least in anything I ever read.

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Re: TRO3025 1986 1st edition Lost Locust PPC armed Variant
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2011, 12:06:06 PM »
I know the trees, piece of junk things.
For the rest, I will check once more my TRO once I get home.
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"In turn they tested each Clan namesake
in trial against the Ice Hellion's mettle.
Each chased the Ice Hellion, hunting it down.
All failed to match the predator's speed and grace.
Khan Cage smiled and said, "And that is how we shall be."

The Remembrance (Clan Ice Hellion) Passage 5, Verse 3, Lines 1 - 5

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Re: Ghost of Fisher...
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2011, 01:14:34 PM »
Quote from: CJvR on December 06, 2011, 10:26:54 PM
...whispering "Speed is armor" in your ear?

Until you fire your PPC a few times anyway  ;)
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