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General BattleTech => General Discussion => Topic started by: Blacknova on November 22, 2012, 08:51:42 PM
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Updated 28/02/2014
Thanks to Nerroth for his help
Based on Neufelds thread here:
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,24806.0.html
I have brought the coming releases over from the New Releases thread.
Additionally, thanks to Nerroth for doing the leg work for the latest update.
White= Noted on the BattleTech main page as coming soon
Green = Stated by Herb as being worked on in Battlechats or at Cons
RULES AND GAME AIDS
3250 box set
HexPack: Woods and Hills
PLOT BOOKS
Handbook: House Kurita
Field Manual: 3145
Era Digest: Dark Age
ilClan Sourcebook
Era Report: 3250
Historical: Early Succession Wars
Historical: Brush Wars 2
Historical: Third Succession War
An Era Report for the Succession Wars era
Note: Plans are to cover all Eras in Era Reports or Era Digests
TECH READOUTS AND RECORD SHEETS
FIELD REPORTS
2765 Field Report: FWLM
2765 Field Report: LCAF
2765 Field Report: Periphery
EXPERIMENTAL TECHNICAL READOUTS
XTRO: Gunslingers
XTRO: Primitives Volume 4-5
Note: More Succession War XTROs have also been mentioned
OTHER PDF ONLY
DTP: Irian
HTP: Towne
AToW adventures: Feral
OTHER OR UNSPECIFIED
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okay I am nominally in the "don't combine PDF exclusives into a mega dead tree format release" crowd. but honestly those Primitives are so awesome I feel like they should be combined into a TRO 2525 (shortly after the Cappelan Confederation introduced Modern tech into thier armies)
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Acccording to the latest BattleChat, the "new Historical, to be published between WotRE and ESW" is indeed Brush Wars II, so doesn't need to be listed twice in the above text.
Also, TRO:3145 CC can be taken off, since it's now available. (The other files should go DC > FS > FWL > LC > Clans > Republic in order of release, if all goes according to plan.)
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Acccording to the latest BattleChat, the "new Historical, to be published between WotRE and ESW" is indeed Brush Wars II,
WotRE?? ESW??
Sorry maybe its a little bit early in the morning.
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Wars of the Repulic Era is one too early for the other one
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Acccording to the latest BattleChat, the "new Historical, to be published between WotRE and ESW" is indeed Brush Wars II,
WotRE?? ESW??
Sorry maybe its a little bit early in the morning.
Wars of the Republic Era
Early Succession Wars
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Awesome, can't wait for more Brush Wars!
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aaaaaan I am spent!
http://bg.battletech.com/?p=4970
Seriously I love how the Atlas on the cover has a little MWO aesthetic to it. and they are doing a Mad Cat and Battlemaster for the Pemium Miniatures!
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A pic like that deserves to be shown!
(https://obtforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv108%2FNerroth%2FCAT3500B_BTIntroBoxSet_Cover_580wide_zps78b4b607.jpg&hash=7d8d43245c8231e3d3d4070ee82205714356766e)
I wonder if that new Timber Wolf sculpt will be easy to pose in a diorama based on the cover art for Alpha Strike...
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Wow... (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,29667.0.html)
(https://obtforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv108%2FNerroth%2FCAT35252-Field-Manual-3145-Cover_zpsa310d7bd.jpg&hash=82fc7ef9c6fe4458dbc4bc3bb20bff57ebde1d43)
ENEMIES AT THE GATES
It is the year 3145. Only thirteen years have passed since Gray Monday—the day that most of humanity’s interstellar communications grid suddenly and mysteriously collapsed. Plunged into darkness and fearing the worst, the leaders and armies of the Inner Sphere scrambled to act, some fearing the approach of invaders, others seeking to exploit the chaos. Now, armies are on the march, war has erupted on every front, and the Republic of the Sphere—once a sign of mankind’s hope for a brighter future—has retreated behind its fortress walls to prepare for the inevitable.
Field Manual: 3145 updates the military and political state of the Inner Sphere as it stands in the year 3145. This report includes a brief history and overview of recent developments in the BattleTech universe, as well as current TO&Es for the major ’Mech forces and mercenary commands employed by the realms and Clans of the Dark Age Inner Sphere. Special era-specific rules are also included, enabling players to create characters and forces for use in campaigns set in and after this critical point in BattleTech history.
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That cover is sick.
I'm not sure which book I like more: FM: 3145 or Historical: Wars of the Republic...
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Is it lonely up there on your pedestal?
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That cover is sick.
I'm not sure which book I like more: FM: 3145 or Historical: Wars of the Republic...
At least in Wars I know that my Clan is alive... Although I also know to expect a crotch kick
Although I approach 3145 with less enthusiasm as before I have to agree that cover looks sweet
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Is it lonely up there on your pedestal?
:P
Being involved it cool, but I "know" what these books are gonna cause a stir.
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I am still waiting to see how they turn the Malice into "An Annihilator on Steriods"
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Wow!
Is that indeed a Colossus on the cover of FM: 3145(to the right of the Malice)?
Ciao
Hessian
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It is indeed
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Wow!
Is that indeed a Colossus on the cover of FM: 3145(to the right of the Malice)?
Ciao
Hessian
Yup!
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A couple of sample pics (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,29771.msg692123.html#msg692123) from TRO:3145 Federated Suns have just gone up; the Atlas III and the MW:DA/AoD Black Knight.
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Hmmmmmmmmmm Interesting
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is it just me or does the Atlas get a little sexier with every iteration?
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Not sure i like the look of the new Black Knight, but i'm sure it'll grow on me.
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I appreciate what the Black Knight is trying to do... I am just curious what could be done to make it better, the 6b and 12 KNT models are so damned perfect!
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Make it an Omni... Like MW4 was starting to
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again though, why Omnify anything that through the years has just been improving on a perfect model. the Chassis, armor, engine have all been unchanged, it was the swap to double heat sinks that allowed either close combat brawling (6b with the large pulse lasers) or extended range and precision targeting (12)
even the 9 with the hatchet, additional laser and XL engine isn't BAD, just not as good as those three models.
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The cover art for TRO:3145 Federated Suns is up (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,29771.msg695305.html#msg695305). It seems like there won't be too long to wait until it's released.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmm Interesting
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looks like the old davion guards paintjob is coming back into vogue...
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TRO:3145 Federated Suns is now out (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,2209.msg695481.html#msg695481).
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:D thanks got my copy!
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And the FWL is up and open for business.
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FWL wins in the Battle armor and aerospace department, Jury is still out on the mechs. there is some really creative ideas and some "What the *BLEEP*" mechs
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I read people raving on the Marik Mechs and I'm going why. The two best are the
Jenner IIHavoc and the Quasimodo. The rest are meh as nearly all of the vehicles with the exception of the Red Kite.
FWL wins in the Battle armor and aerospace department, Jury is still out on the mechs. there is some really creative ideas and some "What the *BLEEP*" mechs
n this I totally agree with you.
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FWL wins in the Battle armor and aerospace department, Jury is still out on the mechs. there is some really creative ideas and some "What the *BLEEP*" mechs
Same DropShips Fighters and BA good Mechs mostly meh
Quad Omni nice though
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The Quasimodo is the best mech in there and i can't wait to try it out in a few weeks time.
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I loved the Havoc back in the ClickWarrior days and now that there is official record sheets YOU CAN BET YOUR SWEET ASS I am gonna be playing it at the Masters and Minions Gencon game. even if I get annihilated...
I am intruiged by the Neanderthal, Sarath, and Carronade
as far as the Anzu I just do not understand the Inner Spheres obsession with recreating the Clan Summoner
I do not get why people are going Ga-Ga over the Quasimoto.
The Stalker II and Juliano are creative and would probably work well together.
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I do not get why people are going Ga-Ga over the Quasimoto.
Clearly the awesome fluff has done it's job. ;)
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Alpha Strike, TRO:3145 FWL, and TRO:3145 LC can be removed from the list now.
(In the case of AS, the print edition hasn't surfaced just yet, but the PDF went live earlier today.)
For that matter, there may no longer be a plan to do a separate faction PDF for the Republic of the Sphere. It seems that, as of last reporting, the RAF material will all go into the print volume of TRO:3145 instead (which itself would presumably be sold as a PDF in its own right). It may be worth putting a disclaimer or something beside the Republic listing, just in case.
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3145 LC
All three Battle Armors are Gold
Winter Hawk- Pure crap after the Saxon.
DI Multipurpose- SAWEEET, I prefer the gunship but the main line isn'g bad.
DI Schmitt- say hello to the ultimate Urban Combat Tank
Kelswa- SERIOUSLY under-armored from what I was expecting after my experience in ClickWarrior. Fusion Engine makes it cheap but I would have sprung for a Light to pile on the armor, and add an armored motive system
Firestarter. the RAC model looks sexy.
Jaguar and Ursus, I LOVE these quads
Gauntlet- the Fedsuns get the Omni Centurion, the Lyrans get the Omni Bushwhacker. love the concept but not the configurations.
Scourge- my new Primary Heavy Mech
King Crab- RIENEEEEEEEEEEER HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARTH!
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The cover for TRO:3145 The Clans (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,31658.msg738593.html#msg738593):
(https://obtforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv108%2FNerroth%2FClans-Cover_zps6a809590.jpg&hash=4f0f77b2cd7ea3740c9900dc360cc32d62452928)
And a look at a bonus (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,31740.0.html) set to be included in the upcoming Tech Kit:
(https://obtforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv108%2FNerroth%2FBlueprints-poster-preview_zps65621004.jpg&hash=4e0ed01864d25925d9c5a9cfa81998ff450bd540)
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Shiney......
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I
WANT
THAT
BATTLEMASTER
POSTER!
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Oh, and this (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,31764.0.html) went up, too:
(https://obtforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv108%2FNerroth%2FCAT35133-TRO-3145-Cover_zps57203631.jpg&hash=9cbb0539471912254fd79cac6b4fdf5fd0b3cdf7)
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I don't like the Tripods but man that cover looks nice!!
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Nice, anyone know what RAF unit it is?
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Yes. :)
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Now, now....
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Nice, anyone know what RAF unit it is?
Hasati Sentinals, the Elite Brigade of the RAF is painted Black with Gold trim, no official word but from what I understand it was done to bring back the Kathil Uhlans paint job in Battletech.
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Nice, anyone know what RAF unit it is?
Hasati Sentinals, the Elite Brigade of the RAF is painted Black with Gold trim, no official word but from what I understand it was done to bring back the Kathil Uhlans paint job in Battletech.
Nice.
Always did like the Uhlans black and Gold.
Now i'm thinking i may have to paint some up.
Bugger!
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Now, now....
Aww...I can't rub it in a little? :P
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it's your site, as far as i am concerned you can make it a MLP forum tomorrow and ask I start every show with the Cupcake song.
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Looks like CGL will be busy this year.
http://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2013/08/01/catalyst-at-gen-con-2013/
Expect full coverage of all these Battletech products and more!
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Fire for Effect cover looks awesome
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it's your site, as far as i am concerned you can make it a MLP forum tomorrow and ask I start every show with the Cupcake song.
Wait, you have a cupcake song?! WTF?! Why haven't I heard it in one of your podcasts. I demand a ruling!
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OH DEAR GOD EVERYONE I AM SORRY!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmAcBK3AAd8
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I'll never get those 30 seconds of my life back
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Haha
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Nice, anyone know what RAF unit it is?
Hasati Sentinals, the Elite Brigade of the RAF is painted Black with Gold trim, no official word but from what I understand it was done to bring back the Kathil Uhlans paint job in Battletech.
My jaw has never dropped as much as when I first saw that cover art.
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Agreed. I heart the RAF so much, especially the Sentinels. They're pretty BAMF for a reason.
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I'll never get those 30 seconds of my life back
Think of all the lost cupcakes you could have made in that time.
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So, since I seem to be having trouble passing on the updated info, this is my take on how the list looks as of today:
Updated 07/08/2013
Based on Neufelds thread here:
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,24806.0.html
I have brought the coming releases over from the New Releases thread.
Additionally, thanks to Nerroth for doing the leg work for the latest update.
White= Noted on the BattleTech main page as coming soon
Green = Stated by Herb as being worked on in Battlechats or at Cons
RULES AND GAME AIDS
Introductory Box Set Update
Tech Kit
Strategic Kit
3250 box set
HexPack: Woods and Hills
PLOT BOOKS
Handbook: House Kurita
Historical: Wars of the Republic Era
Field Manual: 3145
Era Digest: Dark Age
Era Report: 3250
ilClan Sourcebook
Historical: Early Succession Wars
Historical: Brush Wars 2
Historical: Third Succession War
An Era Report for the Succession Wars era
Note: Plans are to cover all Eras in Era Reports or Era Digests
TECH READOUTS AND RECORD SHEETS
TRO:3145 (print edition)
TRO 3145 The Clans (PDF)
FIELD REPORTS
2765 Field Report: CCAF
2765 Field Report: DCMS
2765 Field Report: AFFS
2765 Field Report: FWLM
2765 Field Report: LCAF
2765 Field Report: Periphery
EXPERIMENTAL TECHNICAL READOUTS
XTRO: Gunslingers
XTRO: Primitives Volume 4-5
Note: More Succession War XTROs have also been mentioned
OTHER PDF ONLY
DTP: Irian
HTP: Towne
AToW adventures: Feral
OTHER OR UNSPECIFIED
Fire for Effect: BattleCorps Anthology #4
Apologies for any mistakes or errors found above.
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Thanks Nerroth, I have updated the first post. I have been somewhat lax in responding to your posts, my apologies.
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No problem.
So, should the GenCon products (http://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2013/08/01/catalyst-at-gen-con-2013/) come off the list once that convention starts, or should they wait until they become available on general release (in print and/or PDF)?
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Wait for general release.
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And now we have an TRO 3145 Clans available and it's awesome
Battle Armour
Vehicles
3 separate QuadVees
BattleMechs and lots of OMNIMECHS!!
No aerospace units at all
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The Tomahawk II... nononononononono
no
just no
NO!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEAOQT2kPJY
MINE!
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Not a fan of the Warwolf or Tomahawk. They are just re-hashed versions of the Timer Wolf and Dire Wolf, respectively. A little bit more pod space, but reliant on gimmicky armor (WW - Reactive) or Endo-Composte structure (Tomahawk). Oddly enough, both of these Omnis are made in the former Marik worlds held by the Wolf Empire.
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Woo hoo! :) I got it and liked the stats for the new Clan Mechs.
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Any thoughts yet on the three QuadVees in the new file, or is it best to wait until the rules covering them are published in FM:3145?
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I don't like the QuadVees because I don't under stand the need for them. Build real quad mechs and use the 20% of the weight wasted on treads and conversion gear for better weapons, armor or whatever. Everything that can be done in tank can be done by a quad mech
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Well, except fill the role of being a QuadVee, something that was already long noted as being a part of the Dark Age. They have to be there. So they are. It's not that different than the revised LAMs. (Which incidentally, I feel the same way about as you do towards the QuadVees.)
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I don't like the QuadVees because I don't under stand the need for them. Build real quad mechs and use the 20% of the weight wasted on treads and conversion gear for better weapons, armor or whatever. Everything that can be done in tank can be done by a quad mech
I don't like the wasted weight, I do like the use of both Endo Steel and Ferro Fibrous Armour on them
I also like the fluffed use the Hell's Horses see in them instead of a Star of Armour Tanks you can deploy a Binary of QuadMechs. There quite useful in a deceptive - very not Clan way.
Personally I'd cut down on the guns and add more armour
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I don't like the QuadVees because I don't under stand the need for them. Build real quad mechs and use the 20% of the weight wasted on treads and conversion gear for better weapons, armor or whatever. Everything that can be done in tank can be done by a quad mech
if you can take the TRO as rules, they can be transported as vehicles, and they can also fight as vehicles going into Hull Down over terrain and keep mobile. the torso of a Quad Vee is also a De Facto Turret whose mass is taken care of by the conversion equipment. Also compared to a tank that may require 4-7 crewmen a QV only requires 2 saving time and resources on training crewmen, something that the horses at least tkae very seriously for Vehicle crews.
all of that justification said, I agree with you, and unlike the LAMs the QuadVees are meant to be an inoperable concept anyway so relax.
Not a fan of the Warwolf or Tomahawk. They are just re-hashed versions of the Timer Wolf and Dire Wolf, respectively. A little bit more pod space, but reliant on gimmicky armor (WW - Reactive) or Endo-Composte structure (Tomahawk). Oddly enough, both of these Omnis are made in the former Marik worlds held by the Wolf Empire.
so in your mind every 100 ton Clan Omnimech is a re worked Dire Wolf? m I disagree with your assessment, thanks to the increase in podspace and pod tonnage you got a mech with the potential to out perform the Dire Wolf at every turn. by limiting the Heat sinks to the 12 native in the 300XL engine you gain the maximum amount of flexibility, and force pilots to look at their heat as well as their weapons when designing custom configurations.
I also am looking at War Wolf Configurations and trying to see your "Mad Cat by any other name" idea. 4 more tons of pod space and they tend to be devoted to one cannon and shoulder mounted support weapons. most of the time the WW is much more heat efficent then the n00b Trap that is the Mad Cat anyway.
no the mechs I do not appreciate are the Vulture III and Thor II. there is a series of mechs that did NOT need to happen and are just rehashes of older machines. While the Mad Cat and Vulture Mk IV pushed boundaries to improve on their progenitors these things are just "what players have been doing all along" like the Hellstar, and that is lame.
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My personal (player) opinion is that JP just nailed it.
The QuadVees offer up some interesting possibilities. On one hand they kinda skirt the edge (or blur the edge) of the clean box the Clans place their combat equipment in by messing with the BattleMech/Vehicle divide...
Then against so did the ProtoMech by blurring the lines between BattleMechs and Power Armor when it was introduced in the 3060s.
Against traditional opponents—especially if physical combat is avoided—the QuadVee could offer the Horses a significant edge. While they're likely to be reviled by Clans who can not accept the equipment, it probably won't stop them from using it (even to a limited degree if proven successful) like the ProtoMech. After all, the QuadVee is a way to utilize warriors who would otherwise be relegated to a PGC or worse.
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Quad Vees it seems are also designed to take full advantage of every single niche rule found in Tac and Strat Ops. between the laser heat sinks and the very fact that they TRANSFORM I am shocked they do not have the distracting quirk. I see some definite Time of War Potential as well for say Convy ambushes that have a pair of Quad Vees as escorts or some other.
it looks to be like Herb Beas went out of his way to create a sort of Anti LAM. a unit that straddled the line between two other types of units, but unlike LAMs which were unintentionally overpowered, the QuadVee is designed to be fun to play without overly crippling to the pace of the game.
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I'm looking forward to seeing how QuadVees will work in an Alpha Strike context.
Also, it's been confirmed (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,32168.0.html) over on the BT boards: there will be no faction-specific TRO for the Republic of the Sphere. The RAF (and any "associated factions") will be in the print edition of TRO:3145.
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I'm looking forward to seeing how QuadVees will work in an Alpha Strike context.
Also, it's been confirmed (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,32168.0.html) over on the BT boards: there will be no faction-specific TRO for the Republic of the Sphere. The RAF (and any "associated factions") will be in the print edition of TRO:3145.
ComStar and anyone else?
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Also, it's been confirmed (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,32168.0.html) over on the BT boards: there will be no faction-specific TRO for the Republic of the Sphere. The RAF (and any "associated factions") will be in the print edition of TRO:3145.
ComStar and anyone else?
Maybe... 8)
Seriously though, the RAF is BAMF IMHO (but I'm partial for other reasons) so you should definitely buy the TRO for the goodies.
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Also, it's been confirmed (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,32168.0.html) over on the BT boards: there will be no faction-specific TRO for the Republic of the Sphere. The RAF (and any "associated factions") will be in the print edition of TRO:3145.
That's rather disappointing. I was really looking forward to a full Republic TRO, not something shared.
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Also, it's been confirmed (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,32168.0.html) over on the BT boards: there will be no faction-specific TRO for the Republic of the Sphere. The RAF (and any "associated factions") will be in the print edition of TRO:3145.
That's rather disappointing. I was really looking forward to a full Republic TRO, not something shared.
It could be a stand alone, but combined with the new awesome pilot profiles it really is an awesome product worth picking up.
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Many things depend on the paperback TRO
1) How many of the designs will be plain repeats of the PDFs
2) will there be any further info/updates of already released designs
3) How much will it be? (which is also related to question 1) since I don't want to splash out on a bunch of stuff I already have and only a couple of new units. I generally buy TROs for the units/fluff which is why I've so far grabbed the 3145 PDFs - the timeline period at the moment has little interest to me - so exactly how much over and above the PDFs in this one is pretty important.
I see the PDFs as a bit of a double edged sword they've given us tons of new units in PDF form but if the paper version is full of repeats and a couple of new units then I can see it not doing as well as previous TROs.
Good thing is the yanks tend to get it before us brits so I'll just watch the forum chatter :P
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Prototyes was realy sly about it, not using everything from XTROs, giving us new never before seen stuff, altered artwork and tweaked stats.
I expect much the same from the print 3145 book.
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I'm a little confused on the timeline here. Am I mis-remembering, or was a TRO 3145 Republic said to be forthcoming, and just recently, they've said otherwise? If my memory is correct, that's the part that seems to irk me. It feels like a bait and switch. "Yeah, we just decide we wanted the print TRO ready for GenCon, so fuck you Republic fans." It kind of seems like maybe this could have been mentioned a while back. If it was, I'll withdraw the complaint. I freely admit that I'm not as up to date on the product timeline.
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It was always planned to have the Republic material in the 'print' TRO, which will also be released as a .pdf, along with selected material from the .pdf only ones.
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Thanks for clearing that up. Complaint withdrawn. :)
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So, who (if anyone) here will be going to GenCon, to see if CGL managed to get a few copies of TRO:3145 printed and brought to the convention?
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Sadly, I can't make it, but I might be at Dragon Con.
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So, who (if anyone) here will be going to GenCon, to see if CGL managed to get a few copies of TRO:3145 printed and brought to the convention?
I am at gencon now, i have a printed edition of 3145, and will be talking about it when i record the show tonight
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[turns to face JPArbiter]
Raises gun >:(
Hope you have fun...
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Having a terrible time, no one should go to Gencon EVER!
Please don't kill me
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Having a terrible time, no one should go to Gencon EVER!
Please don't kill me
Because of the terrible time we'll forgo the execution :P
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Having a terrible time, no one should go to Gencon EVER!
Please don't kill me
Because of the terrible time we'll forgo the execution :P
That doesn't mean a beating is not in order though :P
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Just no broken bones.
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Hello I was looking at the Fedsuns Tro 3145 on Sarna.net and I saw the Kruger Combat Car. A blast from the past this was first done in Battletechnology Magazine. In the fluff it says the Modern Kruger is a update of a much older vehicle from the Star League Era. This is a much stronger version of the original design. Here are three pics the first one is the original design the second is the updated design. See the differences. Then while I was looking through the Capellan Tro 3145 another blast came up the Liao Tank Destroyer also from Battletechnology Magazine. They are being sneaky and bringing in designs from the Battletechnology Magazine.
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Most interesting Gabriel. One wonders what else may be mined from the magazine.
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Well the Falcon and Osprey Battlemechs already made it in.
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BT's been doing that for a little while now the Liberator BattleMech from XTRO Boondocks was from that too as was the Scorpion LAM I think
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Pfff, the Liberator was from the MechWarrior RPG. It's ooooold.
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True dat, anyone make a list of BattleTechnology stuff and if it has been remade or canonized?
Might be a good thing to diverge this topic into its own thread. ;)
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Yes it would. Oh the Titan also and it's progeny The Titan ll also the Wolfhound. Time to spin this off into it's own thread.
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The enemies are at (http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/118960/BattleTech-Field-Manual-3145) the gates (http://www.battlecorps.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3231)!
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thanks! So much for homework! ;D
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Downloading now.
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I like it so far, and I have only read the fiction.
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I just saw the finished product. The art is friggin awesome!
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Off work sick so i've been reading it (just finished the FedSuns section) been good so far.
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I used to consider the Cappelans a joke and the Free Worlds League something that happens to other people...
What the hell?
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It's not a good time to be a son of the suns i guess.
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I used to consider the Cappelans a joke and the Free Worlds League something that happens to other people...
What the hell?
Every dog has his day?... ;)
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And now with full color maps. Updated download already available. I was wondering about that.
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I used to consider the Cappelans a joke and the Free Worlds League something that happens to other people...
What the hell?
Every dog has his day?... ;)
True, but the Capellan dog has been having his day since 3057, while the FedSuns has been on a downward spiral since the War of 3039.
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I used to consider the Cappelans a joke and the Free Worlds League something that happens to other people...
What the hell?
Every dog has his day?... ;)
True, but the Capellan dog has been having his day since 3057, while the fedSuns has been ona downward spiral since the War of 3039.
I don't buy the second part of that, the Fed Suns had been propping up the Lyran war machine. it was Davion Military planning that repelled Clan jade Falcon, it was a Davion Scion and his force that saved a Kurita, and it was the Federated Commonwealth that gathered up the second Star League to annihilate Clan Smoke Jaguar (a war whereby the Davion contributions kicked some major ass)
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He might be looking pure territorial gains...
IMO, I think the Suns suffered through to 3145 pretty well given Caleb's reign. It's not the Confederation's fault that they squirreled away more weapons than the Suns after the Jihad, or that the AFFS grew complacent in the years after the Victoria War.
Like a good Wall Street institution, the FedSuns is too big to fail. ;)...or is it? MadCap might get his way.
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Thank you Knightmare for bringing up the Victoria war, where all indications are they kicked the crap out of the Cappies.
looking at Victories in terms of territory gains is the wrong way to go, since the end of the Jihad there has been a rejection of the pursuit of the dream of the Star Leauge acknowledging that "This is what has gotten us into so much trouble." this has left war as a tool more for raw conquest, something the Suns has no interest in anymore.
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As long as the Free Worlds League can continue to expand back to its traditional borders all will be right with the world.
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.... yeaaaaaaaaaaaah about that
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Looks like we might be getting a PDF release (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,33216.msg779730.html#msg779730) for TRO: 3145 Republic of the Sphere after all.
Plus there should be a set of "Old is the New New" Record Sheets included in an upcoming unabridged RS file (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,33216.msg779758.html#msg779758) supporting the TRO:3145 print volume.
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To little to late for me, I have walked away from the game over this and went out and played 40k for the first time in years yesterday.
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I'm just kind of confused as to why a PDF of the "print" TRO, so you can pick up the quirks and such, wouldn't just be easier to do than "we'll be re-editing/formatting a Republic only TRO." This particular product has had a very strange, and rather off-putting, roll out. Print first exclusive, I guess I can get (though that seems rather antithetical to CGL's model for the last...rather long time). This one just seems wacky, and badly handled from a product management standpoint. I'll freely state I'm sure there are a thousand things going on behind the scenes that make it all make sense. But from out here, it's just confusing as all hell. Mixed messages abound.
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To little to late for me, I have walked away from the game over this and went out and played 40k for the first time in years yesterday.
O.o
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Ordered the current Space Marines Codex as well today.
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To little to late for me, I have walked away from the game over this and went out and played 40k for the first time in years yesterday.
(https://obtforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc09.deviantart.net%2Ffs70%2Fi%2F2012%2F196%2F0%2F8%2Fnever_give_up__noble_urbanmech____by_elprotection-d57etjk.jpg&hash=319c2d4961a2ef8719f917e62f9eff552733995e)
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Okay someone has too much time on their hands and DID NOT SHARE THE RUM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm just kind of confused as to why a PDF of the "print" TRO, so you can pick up the quirks and such, wouldn't just be easier to do than "we'll be re-editing/formatting a Republic only TRO." This particular product has had a very strange, and rather off-putting, roll out. Print first exclusive, I guess I can get (though that seems rather antithetical to CGL's model for the last...rather long time). This one just seems wacky, and badly handled from a product management standpoint. I'll freely state I'm sure there are a thousand things going on behind the scenes that make it all make sense. But from out here, it's just confusing as all hell. Mixed messages abound.
they could be experimenting with a new way to roll out. I mean lets face it the PDF TROs were a great way to get psyched, and at best out of the two dozen units we saw in each only about 5 or 6 made it in the print. the goal for CGL was for fans to buy the print book (when it hits shelves) and one or two PDFs of thier favorite factions. would they like it if everyone bought the whole set? of course, but thier sales goal was probably much more modest.
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I think Herb has mentioned over and over again that single faction books don't sell particularly well. I figure you have two choices. Keep creating combo-faction books like the FMs, or smaller single faction products like TRO 3145, but with some sort of combo-set for those who want a more complete book. By tossing in a few goodies a print-only product doesn't seem like a rip off IMO.
Personally, I think this was a better deal than say TRO 3055 or TRO 3067.
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See i'd be happy with that if they'd released all 8 books as PDF's but the fact that they've released 7 and then said 'if you want the 8th you have to buy it in DTF' has pissed me off, i've been replacing all my older books with pdf as i can afford it and only buying new stuff as pdf's, not good customer service all.
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See i'd be happy with that if they'd released all 8 books as PDF's but the fact that they've released 7 and then said 'if you want the 8th you have to buy it in DTF' has pissed me off, i've been replacing all my older books with pdf as i can afford it and only buying new stuff as pdf's, not good customer service all.
If that's your tipping point, then that's your tipping point. Does Warhammer sell all of their stuff in PDF? I haven't checked in many years.
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Given that minatures are a much larger part of their sales than they for CGL, I would imagine not.
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See i'd be happy with that if they'd released all 8 books as PDF's but the fact that they've released 7 and then said 'if you want the 8th you have to buy it in DTF' has pissed me off, i've been replacing all my older books with pdf as i can afford it and only buying new stuff as pdf's, not good customer service all.
If that's your tipping point, then that's your tipping point. Does Warhammer sell all of their stuff in PDF? I haven't checked in many years.
They've only just started selling the game books in pdf but so far all have been released at the same time as dtf.
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By tossing in a few goodies a print-only product doesn't seem like a rip off IMO.
I'm not sure that I think it's a rip-off, it just seems like an odd change. Print only isn't really something that has frequently been done by CGL in the past. Sure, there has been staggered release schedules and such, but print only products that never see a PDF version are very much the exception and not the rule over CGL's tenure. After this many years of conditioning myself and the rest of the fan base to have a PDF at some point (and a PDF of the actual print version, one that doesn't lack things found in the print version)...it does seem like a bit of a jarring change. It also feels like a policy shift that is a bit outdated (if it is in fact a policy shift...I have no clue). And total first world problems here, but for me as a PDF only fan, it just grates on me. I can get the Republic units but not the quirk rules (or some sort of rules, as I recall that being mentioned as not likely in the Republic PDF). I've set up my CGL material buying habits based on their historical stance on PDF/print products. It sounds like that stance may be changing, and I don't think that change is for the better. I'm not sure what that means for my future buying habits, outside of the fact that I won't be buying Field Manuals again. I forgot how dry and boring they really are. It's not the fault of the particular book, just the scope of what they have to cover.
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I have no actual knowledge of the plans for TRO 3145, but I'm guessing the change has to do with a change (or lack of change) in buying habits. It may be the new way things are done or a failure that doesn't continue (see print RS). The forumites can't keep BT afloat so this is probably a way to get the rest of the buyers to buy more.
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Still no sign of the TRO as a PDF then?
Or any of the PDF exclusives that have been coming soon for several months then?
Or Handbook Kurita? (how many years now?)
Its things like this that will drive people away and kill the game long term.
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Considering prior post-GenCon lulls and the recent line developer change/restructuring/whatever would be best to call it...it seems about situation normal. Big slam of products during the con build-up, lull afterwards, then a minor blitz towards the holidays.
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I know its disappointing Six but I have a feeling we are about to see the SL era Field Reports soon.
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Considering prior post-GenCon lulls and the recent line developer change/restructuring/whatever would be best to call it...it seems about situation normal. Big slam of products during the con build-up, lull afterwards, then a minor blitz towards the holidays.
Yeah, i know, just annoyed me more than normal this time (the whole TRO pdf/dtf thing) and Handbook Kurita still not being out.
I know its disappointing Six but I have a feeling we are about to see the SL era Field Reports soon.
Can't wait, as times gone on I seem to have become more and more interested in that time period.
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Surprised no Cappelan Field Report since there was that Preview almost a fortnight ago now
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If I had to guess, the Republic TRO and the RS PDF are clogging up the layout bottleneck. Hopefully once that's done, the FRs should come rolling out. The Kurita HB is probably low priority, as it's probably going to lose money.
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I'll be curious how the FRs do in terms of return on investment. I seem to recall prior posts talking about the Year of the Star League not being quite a smashing success.
Following on Mr. Horner's comments, I'd also imagine the Republic TRO is taking more time, as it isn't simply taking an existing design file from print and making the PDF. That's another of the confusing aspects of this particular product roll out. It now seems like more work than a PDF of the print would have required. How future TROs are handled, after this recent set up, will really be interesting to see.
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I do think they have been overly ambitious with the latest TRO, should either have done 1 book with everything in or stuck to what seems to have been the original plan and released them all as a faction specific series and then released a book when everything was out.
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I need to pull a complete reversal on prior statements about FM: 3145. I've had the time to sit down and go through about half of the book (not chronologically, as I've skipped about). It's good. It's really, really good. Full disclosure, after my initial exposure to BT (and devouring the FMs that existed at that time), I quickly figured out that FMs are, well, boring. Not at all with this one, on further review. Well done, writers. Well done, indeed.
P.S. Don't switch off the multi-faction FM format. It's soooo much nicer.
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TRO 3145 RotS Is out along with the two-volume Record Sheets (600+ pages of Sheets total) for the DTF-only TRO3145.
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TRO 3145 RotS Is out along with the two-volume Record Sheets (600+ pages of Sheets total) for the DTF-only TRO3145.
I just noticed this ones thread on BT page I wish they'd update it more often
So this one and Isle of Blessed sounds like good way to go 8)
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Hi i just got the 3145 Fed Suns tech readout. Awesome Well the Kruger Combat Car had very interesting info given on it. It is mentioned to have fought during the Star League and First Succession War eras. It has also made a name for itself in desert fighting. I love the modern look.
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Ooooh, more new stuff.
Capellans in 2765 (http://www.battlecorps.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3257) and an AtoW adventure (http://www.battlecorps.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3258) with a price that's a steal!
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Ooooh, more new stuff.
Capellans in 2765 (http://www.battlecorps.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3257) and an AtoW adventure (http://www.battlecorps.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3258) with a price that's a steal!
There both really great - the lengths the WoB went for ProtoMechs can't get past that!! What an adventure
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And props to Mad Cap for all his work on the FR.
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I loved the new Regiments and getting 2 instead of 1 WarShip was a nice surprise!
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People should be happy with the Black Lion I. MadCap did a stellar job on the FR. It's a great read, and he really made the CCAF pop IMO.
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People should be happy with the Black Lion I. MadCap did a stellar job on the FR. It's a great read, and he really made the CCAF pop IMO.
Yeah its a quality product, as i've said elsewhere the only (little) niggle for me is a lack of listings for the 'private military contractors' employed by the CCAF.
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It's an open field so you can invent your own set of private military contractors.
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Two new releases out. Field Report DCMS 2765 and Book 2 of the Chaos Irregulars.
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Two new releases out. Field Report DCMS 2765 and Book 2 of the Chaos Irregulars.
The EPub novels are also mostly $2.99, I may have bought a few...
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Cruiser class Cruiser... :o
even the field report makes fun of the naming convention.
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A couple of comments from Randall Bills this morning:
BOX SET
I just approved the white samples and printer proofs, so the box should be ready to ship from the printer in late January. That hopefully should put it on store shelves the end of March (might be early April, depending upon overseas shipping). And it'll be $59.99 just like the previous set.
Welcome to the forums!
Randall
NEW OFFICIAL MECH DESIGN SOFTWARE
One of my goals for 2014 is to get a program just like that released. Please don't take this as a "Randall says it's going to happen." Just know it is one of my top priorities for figuring out how to make it happen.
Thanks.
Randall
Modded to remove my stupidity.
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Umm, what products are these comments addressing?
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Second one is about Heavy Metal Pro 6, judging by the original thread over on BT's site.
I'm guessing the first one is about the boxed set.
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Wow, I was still asleep when I posted that. I'll fix it.
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hopefully that means Heavy Metal's exclusivity agreement is up for renegotiation, and CGL can say "SUCK IT!"
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hopefully that means Heavy Metal's exclusivity agreement is up for renegotiation, and CGL can say "SUCK IT!"
CGL will have trouble saying that IIRC, HM's exclusivity agreement is with Microsoft not CGL.
Dave.
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hopefully that means Heavy Metal's exclusivity agreement is up for renegotiation, and CGL can say "SUCK IT!"
CGL will have trouble saying that IIRC, HM's exclusivity agreement is with Microsoft not CGL.
Dave.
it would have been with FASA, since it is not a Computer GAME Microsoft should not have hold of it. this would also be why the Alpha Strike rule set will be used for Herobuilder in the near future (and hopefully AtOW.)
regardless I hope Rick Raisly all respect to the man, loses his exclusivity. HM has not served the Battletech player base well in over a decade. even CGL Demo agents do not use it, though they can not say that out loud.
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Everything is in its infancy, but some wheels are turning as Randall suggested.
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That should be extremely helpful in getting new products "on the shelf," if new software is really going to be available. :) I am hopeful they come up with something.
On a side note, it will be a bummer, not to be able to log into HMP's website and read all of the excuses for why 6.0 is so late. I got a good chuckle. Thanks for the memories.
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Looks like we have some new books coming out soon.
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,37290.0.html
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Nice, can't wait for the next Field Report 2765! ;)
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H:WotRE and FR2765:AFFS are now up (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,2209.msg870170.html#msg870170).
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New download smell! ;)
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Been off for a week gets put up the day I go back to work!!
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DragonLords Brigade...
that is all.
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Yay! Just got it!
H:WotRE and FR2765:AFFS are now up (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,2209.msg870170.html#msg870170).
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The AFFS book is more like what I wanted out of these Field Reports (big shock that the Feddies got that treatment, eh? ;-) ). On the plus size, they pretty much spell out their fleet arrangements. They also introduce us to some new branches of the AFFS which seem unique to this time period.
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The AFFS book is more like what I wanted out of these Field Reports (big shock that the Feddies got that treatment, eh? ;-) ). On the plus size, they pretty much spell out their fleet arrangements. They also introduce us to some new branches of the AFFS which seem unique to this time period.
Welshman does do some good work. ;D
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The AFFS book is more like what I wanted out of these Field Reports (big shock that the Feddies got that treatment, eh? ;-) ). On the plus size, they pretty much spell out their fleet arrangements. They also introduce us to some new branches of the AFFS which seem unique to this time period.
I really hope we get this style of Field Report at regular intervals throughout the succession wars, it'd be interesting to see when/how those units cease to exist.
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From what I remember, the FR's have not sold well enough to merit SW-era versions, but I could be wrong...just this once you understand?
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From what I remember, the FR's have not sold well enough to merit SW-era versions, but I could be wrong...just this once you understand?
With the WarShip goodness they were easy buys for me the units are an added bonus I'm not too bothered if there are no repeats during each war a single historical maybe to cap the Succession Wars would be enough we all know basically what happened in the 4th and largely the 3rd so it'd only be first and second really those are the two the hidden worlds disappear many worlds die and I'm guessing the vast majority of units will go too
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I am just greatful the Dorky Warship Name Fairy didn't come by and slap this.
I will never forgive the Cruiser Cruiser.
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I will never forgive the Cruiser Cruiser.
Amen
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I will never forgive the Cruiser Cruiser.
Amen
which is too bad cause it is a pretty awesome ship.
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Looking at the original reference it seems like some was being too literal. For some reason the writers in the SLSB had italicized the word cruiser like it was a name, when the text seem to be speaking in general terms that the TAF would send a cruiser class ship on a mission.
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I will never forgive the Cruiser Cruiser.
And here, I thought that was the greatest vessel class name ever.
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I will never forgive the Cruiser Cruiser.
And here, I thought that was the greatest vessel class name ever.
I like it
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the revised Introductory Box Set is now up for pre-order (http://bg.battletech.com/?p=5470).
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the revised Introductory Box Set is now up for pre-order (http://bg.battletech.com/?p=5470).
28 years later and we're still rehashing 3025. Sigh. How about "3145 Boxed Set?" "Jihad Boxed Set?" "Clan Boxed Set?"
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the revised Introductory Box Set is now up for pre-order (http://bg.battletech.com/?p=5470).
28 years later and we're still rehashing 3025. Sigh. How about "3145 Boxed Set?" "Jihad Boxed Set?" "Clan Boxed Set?"
Because the point of the Introductory Box set is just that, to INTRODUCE people to the core mechanics of the game.
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I think there's a fair debate to be made that maybe what is considered the "introductory" point for said box set might need to be re-evaluated. If you're going to push into ever more complex territory with the current timeline material, in terms of rules, then perhaps the intro to standard gap might not need to be a massive chasm. That, or a pretty drastic rules overhaul to step outside of the mid-90's design paradigm that seems to hold back some of CGL's game lines.
I would advise investing heavily in oxygen tank stock if you plan on holding your breath for that second one.
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60 bucks maybe too steep to introduce BattleTech to a new generation of fans. I really think they should computerize the RPG ala Mechwarrior and then board gamers can follow.
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60 bucks maybe too steep to introduce BattleTech to a new generation of fans. I really think they should computerize the RPG ala Mechwarrior and then board gamers can follow.
And how exactly would they do that without the actual rights to the property itself, let alone the rights for video game versions?
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It isn't in microsoft's interest or whoever else owns the rights to whatever that will grow the BattleTech universe? It benefits everyone who owns a piece. So gather them together and pitch the idea. I'm not proposing a video game per say like Mechwarrior as much as I am outlining a gaming aide. Computerized hex maps, with to hit values, explained if so desired for players to facilitate BattleTech RPG play. Cap it at company level (small unit) at first and go from there.
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does Microsoft have the liscence to "Gaming Aids" is the question, or is it strictly video games.
I would love to write another Business Article on this, but sadly I have not been able to accrue enough research data on it, despite making written requests to Topps and Microsoft.
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does Microsoft have the liscence to "Gaming Aids" is the question, or is it strictly video games.
Rick had to deal with Microsoft and Topps for the HMP license, so I'm guessing yes.
It isn't in microsoft's interest or whoever else owns the rights to whatever that will grow the BattleTech universe? It benefits everyone who owns a piece. So gather them together and pitch the idea.
It's a total guess here, but I'd imagine that CGL has already tried that route. Whether it be limited funds on their part, licensing issue from Topps/MS, or whatever, it clearly hasn't happened to date. Additionally, you already have a similar existing tool in MegaMek, which has to exist in a very weird limbo of fanproject but sorta-kinda-not. MS hasn't seen much value in using that license (beyond the existing MWO and MW:T) to date. I'm not really sure what has changed in the interim.
Don't get me wrong, I think the idea has strong merit. But the application of said idea? I'm not so sure that's a realistic expectation. On top of all of that, such a tool may very well infringe on the HMP license. In an ideal world, that license would be ending and some actual progress could be made on a such a helpful tool. Again, I wouldn't hold your breath. Even SSW has begun to fall behind and run out of steam, largely due to only a single person willing to put in the coding work (and some weird proprietary mindsets from the MM developers). Rick's own situation with HMP seems similar, in regards to available staff and time.
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the other side of it right now is that Microsofts entertainment softward department falls under the same aegis as Microsofts hardware group, which is regarded with derision by Micosoft Corporate. This is the department that came up with the Zune and Windows Phone. only the X Box has really been profitable, and even then under softweare sales only.
unless entertainment software can be ported to the X Box, Microsoft generally isn't interested, at least again from what I have researched.
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the revised Introductory Box Set is now up for pre-order (http://bg.battletech.com/?p=5470).
28 years later and we're still rehashing 3025. Sigh. How about "3145 Boxed Set?" "Jihad Boxed Set?" "Clan Boxed Set?"
Because the point of the Introductory Box set is just that, to INTRODUCE people to the core mechanics of the game.
The core mechanics of the game aren't complex. The units in 3050 don't use elaborate rules; they simply have different effects and range brackets. It's no more difficult to learn than picking up a 4th Edition D&D book and reading/playing. You don't buy 2nd Edition and work your way up, do you?
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Think of it this way. If you were trying to get into Magic: The Gathering, you need to start out with a modern starter deck. One which could use the most recent cards and explains the most recent rulings. The expansions can then be plugged into that deck.
Now what if your gaming store didn't sell any new sets? "The new stuff sucks. I only play with the stuff from 1997." They don't offer a starter deck for the new series; it's all 1997 stuff and reprints. How much do you think think the new expansions would sell? How would a player BECOME interested in them, if no other players even own the sets?
That's what CGL is doing with BattleTech, at the moment. They're spending time/money on an era which has already been covered and calling it "the" starting point for the universe. If you're a new player, you have to start with 3025. And everyone around you still plays 3025. How exactly would you get into the Republic Era, or 3145, or Clan play? Most wouldn't (and don't) bother with it. They go back to what's convenient, easy and nostalgic.
Not saying they SHOULDN'T print a 3025 intro set. Just that a "Dark Age Introductory Set" and "Clan Introductory Set" should be available.
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I have been toying with doing a BT to Leviathans style conversion. That would be a fast system that would be easy to use.
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Just because I think it might be overlooked, but I'm 98.7% sure the Intro Box is set in 3067, just before the start of the Jihad...given the 3067 Map included.
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So it is Intro tech only in 3067? That's...an even more unusual choice.
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Can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with Dread Moores. I know, I know, you can pick yourself up off the ground now. It seems that the BT universe of products; table top, video games, etc., is in a major contractual Gordian Knot. Those can be undone it just takes time, money (lots of money), and parties willing to cooperate (that would be where the piles of money come in handy). Look at Indian. It only took 60 or so years to get that property rights hair ball unwound; so see, there's hope. As for where to start starter sets when they DO get the situation settled? How about this; every era gets a starter set. Gasp, that would include the Jihad and Dark Age. Pick your poison and run with it. Everybody in your area running around the Terran Hegemony blowing away those would be brake away colonists? Then jump in with the Star League starter set. Everybody trying to figure out how to communicate because some toaster worshiping Blakists just nuked half the known universe? Here's the Jihad starter set. Oh, and set the price around $30 bucks or so and make the sets expandable like they used to be. I've still got my City Tech set (somewhere) with its IS mix of a Victor, an Orion, a Centurion, and a Javelin (though the record sheets included the Wolfhound). Oh, and a unified rules set would be nice, too. Maybe they could come up with something like a... I don't know what to call it so let's just call it a Compendium.
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I'm not sure the intro box is so era specific as most people think, but it does have a map set before the Jihad. Someone purchasing this set box still has the width & breadth of CGL books available for the entire Jihad, Dark Age, Year of the Star League, etc., without being forced into any specific era. With the MUL, the set is extremely flexible and if it is based circa-3067 ala before the Jihad, but also with a mention of the current timeline, then CGL's (not FanPro or FASA) entire product catalog is still pertinent.
Setting players right before the Jihad (with its proximity to the current year and variety of products) just makes good sense.
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I'm not sure the intro box is so era specific as most people think, but it does have a map set before the Jihad. Someone purchasing this set box still has the width & breadth of CGL books available for the entire Jihad, Dark Age, Year of the Star League, etc., without being forced into any specific era. With the MUL, the set is extremely flexible and if it is based circa-3067 ala before the Jihad, but also with a mention of the current timeline, then CGL's (not FanPro or FASA) entire product catalog is still pertinent.
Setting players right before the Jihad (with its proximity to the current year and variety of products) just makes good sense.
Agreed. But let's look at this from the mind of a new player. They get introduced through a Demo Agent, let's say. Demo Agent directs them to the boxed set through their FLGS. They get the boxed set, play some games under the intro rules, read a bit on the background and say "Let's go check out ER: 3062 (or whatever year that was) or the Jihad." And then the massive, massive learning gap rears its ugly head. Double heat sinks, going from three lasers to what, nine? Twelve? Four autocannons to 12, 14 with RACs? MASC, stealth armor, everything else. There's nothing in the intro rules that come even close to what you find simply in 3060, let alone the Jihad...or the Dark Age. While I understand the Starterbooks didn't sell and aren't coming back, you are left in the spot of having no "bridging" product. Do you really believe it to be reasonable and new user-friendly to step straight from the the Boxed Set into just Tournament-rules Total Warfare? You have seen Total Warfare, right? And let's be honest for a second here. Gamers love new stuff. They buy it, many times sight unseen, from companies they like. So when New Player Lisa finishes up her 20th battle using the Intro Box, she looks online and hears about this Era Report: 3145. She buys it, and immediately bogs down in a game that feels completely different and outside of what the Intro Box presented. Heck, let's make it even simpler, setting aside the massive, massive differences from Intro Box to 3145. Let's just go from Intro Box to ER: 3052. Ideally, ER: 3052, as a product on its own, should step New Lisa through the progression to be prepared to look into the tome that is Total Warfare.
But that presumes a great deal. That presumes New Lisa came into the game through an Agent, or found advice on the forums or social media to be specifically directed towards ER: 3052. What happens when the new player runs into one of the many grognards on those forums who says "Don't bother with anything beyond 3025?" Or they don't find the stepping stone product like 3052, and just grab up Total Warfare. Or a million other variations. So, Starterbooks don't sell. And we have a box set pushing a timeline focus close to the start of the Jihad. Why can't said boxed set simply be adapted to say "Here's what we're going to use as our introductory point now. Here's the 3050 Phoenix designs, and the simple rules for them. BTW, if you want some more info on a less complicated, but still highly active, period of raid-based warfare, check out ER: 3039 and the Introductory rules style. Or, if you want a more nuanced and complex timeline point just in the middle of massive interstellar war, pick up Jihad: Blake Ascending, or ER: 3145."
What exactly do you lose with a "3050/Level 2" starting point, to use an old term? You can absolutely gain from it, by keeping the learning curve post-Intro Box smaller while still offering all the same readily available access to the simpler Intro-rules level 3025 environment. I really think it's time to rethink exactly what that Boxed Set is created for. Is it simply another product to sell to the existing userbase, so the vets can have more minis cheap? Or is this really a product meant to bring a new player out of the shadows, get them on the table, and have them look at the newest product (that more likely than not, is going to be past the year 3050)? If it's the latter, I really think the implementation needs to be re-evaluated.
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For those who did pre-orders for the new Introductory Box Set they are now shipping. I received mine Saturday morning.
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does Microsoft have the liscence to "Gaming Aids" is the question, or is it strictly video games.
They have the license for non location-based software. Virtual World has the one for location-based software.
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Speaking of upcoming releases it appears as though a Historical First Succession War or Early Succession War is in development according to TPTB. Thoughts??
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I for one am looking forwards to it.
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I for one am looking forwards to it.
Same here see just how savage the succession lord units got
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Pretty savage...
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i hope there will be maps. I already have an inkling on the savagery from looking at the housebook maps, but wow, you guys should look at the numbers of worlds lost.
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i hope there will be maps. I already have an inkling on the savagery from looking at the housebook maps, but wow, you guys should look at the numbers of worlds lost.
A before and after would look good or maybe a map with destroyed by/how
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A before and after would look good or maybe a map with destroyed by/how
This, sir, would take too many pages. :D
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A before and after would look good or maybe a map with destroyed by/how
This, sir, would take too many pages. :D
Shame that an interactive map like the one WizKids did for the DA at the start would be cool too
The Nova Cats being declared ilClan wouldn't go a miss either (more wishful thinking)
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my preffered Dark Horse is still the Wolverines.
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No, has to be the Marlette Association, those bastards have been hiding since before the BattleMech was invented, biding their time and making their plans.
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All I know is that the same "fans" who spent years railing about how destructive the Jihad was, whining about how Battletech never used these kind of tactics...they better spend the same amount of time talking about how awful this book is.
Spoiler: The hypocrites won't.
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The 1st Succession War will make the Jihad seem like a small temper tantrum. Perhaps the tech scale "matches up" but the proliferation of weapons is way beyond anything the Jihad could muster.
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All I know is that the same "fans" who spent years railing about how destructive the Jihad was, whining about how Battletech never used these kind of tactics...they better spend the same amount of time talking about how awful this book is.
Spoiler: The hypocrites won't.
I'm one of those inbetweener fans disliked the Jihad to begin with but as it progressed my view on it changed and I saw it as a good thing. I still see the Republic and the events of the DA as being a mess especially the 'wall' protecting the republic
As for the Succession Wars I think the wanton destruction seen on New Dallas and during the Liberation campaign I'd expect the SSW to be more of the same
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on of my funniest moments was when the Story series "Betrayal of Ideals" came out written by Blaine Lee Pardoe. the same Blaine Lee Pardoe that wrote full a quarter of the Clan Backstory, including most of Clan Wolf's History and the little snippets of the Wolverines we go up[ to before that point, and people said he was going against the Canon he wrote.
We Battletech fans are dicks like that sometimes.
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Perhaps those people should have complained that, over the years between his 25% and writing Betrayal of Ideals, intervening writers had deviated from his original vision. :D
All I know is that the same "fans" who spent years railing about how destructive the Jihad was, whining about how Battletech never used these kind of tactics...they better spend the same amount of time talking about how awful this book is.
Spoiler: The hypocrites won't.
Presumably, at least some of those people were complaining that a post-Fall war should not resemble the Fall. So take heart that at least some of them are not hypocrites.
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OR maybe no one deviated at all and fans were just projecting thier own impressions and desires onto the IP
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OR maybe no one deviated at all and fans were just projecting thier own impressions and desires onto the IP
UNPOSSIBLE.
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And writers NEVER CHANGE THEIR MINDS or DEVELOP PLANS FURTHER. It's a widely believed fact! :D
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UNPOSSIBLE.
;D That's awesome.
No, has to be the Marlette Association, those bastards have been hiding since before the BattleMech was invented, biding their time and making their plans.
You magnificent bastard.
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You lot keep making me think there's a new release out!!
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No, has to be the Marlette Association, those bastards have been hiding since before the BattleMech was invented, biding their time and making their plans.
You magnificent bastard.
I am seriously going to start lobbying for this. Care to help me? I am sure we could convince Ken that it is a worthy cause.
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No, has to be the Marlette Association, those bastards have been hiding since before the BattleMech was invented, biding their time and making their plans.
You magnificent bastard.
I am seriously going to start lobbying for this. Care to help me? I am sure we could convince Ken that it is a worthy cause.
If you're going to do that can you try and get the Tikonov Free Republic back please?
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so check out the upcoming releases page over on BG.battletech.com
that is an aweful lot of irons in the fire.
TRO 3150 might be our first hint at ilClan Goodness.
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so check out the upcoming releases page over on BG.battletech.com
that is an aweful lot of irons in the fire.
TRO 3150 might be our first hint at ilClan Goodness.
I may have drooled on the keyboard a little.
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If only all of those coming releases would happen by December. I would love it.
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If only all of those coming releases would happen by December. I would love it.
First time I read that Beast I thought you said "on December 1st" I thought are you completely nuts worse time of year for it lol
Before December I could live with
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so check out the upcoming releases page over on BG.battletech.com
that is an aweful lot of irons in the fire.
TRO 3150 might be our first hint at ilClan Goodness.
Not to forget Technical Readout: Golden Century. That sounds promising to me too.
Just my 0,02 €.
Ciao
Hessian
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Probably, not an upcoming upcoming release but still something quite interesting (if only because I hope to get some answers from it).
http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/142901060011/first-succession-war-development
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Probably, not an upcoming upcoming release but still something quite interesting (if only because I hope to get some answers from it).
http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/142901060011/first-succession-war-development
Really interesting list, shame they only shared the 1 page.
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Probably, not an upcoming upcoming release but still something quite interesting (if only because I hope to get some answers from it).
http://catalystgamelabs.tumblr.com/post/142901060011/first-succession-war-development
Really interesting list, shame they only shared the 1 page.
Exactly my thoughts.
Perhaps in the near future.
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I am banging my god damned head on the table because that page does not have Lyran Commonwealth info on it.
also http://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2016/04/15/q-workshop-to-release-battletech-dice/
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I am banging my god damned head on the table because that page does not have Lyran Commonwealth info on it.
also http://www.catalystgamelabs.com/2016/04/15/q-workshop-to-release-battletech-dice/
Annoying isn't it? No Free Worlds League info either.
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There are Marik dice, no Liao or Steiner in the preview
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There are Marik dice, no Liao or Steiner in the preview
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Excellent, any idea what the units on them are?
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The pictures are HERE (https://www.facebook.com/QWdice/photos/?tab=album&album_id=10154035230775242). The contrastcolor for the purple dice is horrible and makes it difficult for me to make out the logos.
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Cheers, Marik Milita, Defenders of Andurien and Sirian Lancers and the 21st Centauri Lancers for the mercenary unit
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There are Marik dice, no Liao or Steiner in the preview
Someone does not pay attention to the Podcasts Twitter feed https://twitter.com/JPArbiter/status/722089469147373568
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There are Marik dice, no Liao or Steiner in the preview
Someone does not pay attention to the Podcasts Twitter feed https://twitter.com/JPArbiter/status/722089469147373568
I didn't know about the twitter, now following.
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should listen to the podcast too, considering I say follow the twitter on it every time.
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Catalyst Game Lab's Facebook page announced that the Battletech Manual and Technical Readout: Succession Wars is coming out in print soon. yay..
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There's this (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=60405.msg1393861#msg1393861) little tidbit.
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There's this (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=60405.msg1393861#msg1393861) little tidbit.
Good looking release list.
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So, Shattered Fortress is out in e-copy, suggesting that the Dark Age arcs are finally going to wrap up.
Any thoughts so far?
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So, Shattered Fortress is out in e-copy, suggesting that the Dark Age arcs are finally going to wrap up.
Any thoughts so far?
Waiting for the hard copy, but am interested to see what people who have the pdf think.
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While I am solidly stuck in BattleTech's past forever postulating alternate settings it is nice to see some new products rolling out. Please let me know if any of the new stuff has an impact on us old die hards. ;)
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I was about 40 pages in when I went to bed last night and I was left with a conclusion that about three factions are doing well, and none of them have leaders I care for.
The bad karma for the Federated Commonwealth's victories doesn't seem to have worn off for the writers, so House Davion and House Steiner are still getting the crappy end of the stick.
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After buying and reading Touring the Stars: Tortuga Prime, I find myself revisiting an old puzzle. I’m mostly thinking out loud here, trying to hash out the sequence of events that led to the birth of arguably the Inner Sphere’s most notorious corsair haven. Going all the way back to the original Periphery 1e sourcebook, we find their origin story treated to a sparse paragraph:
The Tortuga Dominions are a result of the Reunification War ... During the latter stages, the Federated Suns 237th Light Cavalry Regiment was all but destroyed in a wasteful penetration raid against the Taurian outpost of Sterope. Unable to hold their positions and unwilling to be thrown into the vicious fray elsewhere, the 237th opted to jump outward into the unknown.
And in broad strokes, this matches what we get in the TtS pdf:
The planet was discovered and settled in 2588 by deserters from the AFFS’s 237th Light Cavalry Regiment and their dependents after they fled the Reunification War.
And yet: in a wrap-up of the events of 2587 (including the Battle of Montour), the account of Operation BULL RUN in Historical: Reunification War goes out of its way to declare that Sterope was ‘newly colonised’. With the SLDF et. al. camped on their doorstep, the TCA wouldn’t — couldn’t! — have had much to spare for garrisoning a remote start-up colony. (Sterope didn’t reach its status as a major resource and manufacturing hub until well after the War, it would seem.) The TCN had been all but annihilated at Montour. The 237th should have had all but a walkover when they hit Sterope — and yet, somehow, an entire regiment got their asses handed to them, to the point where the TtS notes that upon colonising Tortuga Prime, their remaining ’Mech forces were a ‘demi-battalion’. How did they get such a hiding, and who did the job?
(There’s also the question of ‘who in Sagan’s name were the 237th Light Cavalry in the first place?’ As far as I can tell, the AFFS didn’t have a Light Cavalry formation before, during, or after the RW, and indeed joining the Star League meant that between donating troops to the SLDF and just plain Cameron-mandated RIFs, they’d just gone through a radical downsizing. And why did they take their dependents along on what was supposed to be an objective strike?)
There’s also the issue of how the heck did these guys remain a viable menace for so long? The loss of a mere three of their remaining ’Mechs in 2604 was enough to prompt the overthrow and murder of their then-leader. I won’t go into the details of the absolute Charlie-Foxtrot that was their civilian ‘economy’ over the ensuing centuries — sorry, folks, you’ll have to buy your own copy to get all the dirt on that part ;) — but there’s no way they should’ve been able to maintain anything resembling modern war-machines, let alone ’Mechs, and yet by the 31st century they’re nearly a regimental-sized force! Did they somehow steal whole job-lots of replacement ’Mechs from the FS/TC and somehow not get butchered in the process? How did they not simply wither away, curl up and die within a century of settling Tortuga? Hoooowwww?
Curse you, FASAnomics!
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A few general comments as someone who really tries to make every bit of canon material count. Many times writers overlook bits and pieces they just don't remember or are too insignificant to weave together not cause they are bad people, they just forget. I am sure it is just an oversight due to human error.
That being said the 'Federated Suns 237th Light Cavalry Regiment' reference you make I am familiar with. My solution here would be to call them an ad hoc unit assembled for the express purpose of raiding the Taurian Concordat during the war. Perhaps staffed with folks who didn't want any part of the SLDF which I can see and perhaps the AFFS didn't want them either. As I recall my history the Federated Suns is just coming out of a Civil War, right? Perhaps these are Mechwarriors whose loyalty is in doubt. From their unit name it sounds like they are a lightweight unit so they'd be ideal as raiders.
The second issue seems to be the importance of Sterope which too me is the easiest to explain. Regardless of what status it held as an outpost or new colony the Taurians really put up a fight. I mean if you are fighting over asteroids in space it seems likely they'd contest a planet of minor importance that falls with in their borders. Marking their defenses up as tough seems to be accurate. Enter our ad hoc raiders I described above and perhaps they aren't as focused on their enemy as they should be. Thinking about their shabby treatment at home and would it take that much resistance to really make them say 'screw this'!
Third their survival into the 31st century is a lot more complex but I am going to chalk it up to lucky banditry. Certainly the SLDF would have wiped them out along the way if they knew their homeworld so I am guessing they never did. Picking their targets well they could have outlasted the Star League and even gotten aid from Amaris (Periphery BattleMech Divisions). From their on out the Succession Wars is a fertile ground for their survival. And the depths that the AFFC had to go to in 3042 to eliminate them indicated they had learned well from their ancient Taurian adversaries.
Hopefully Irose can chime in here, he is my Periphery expert! ;)
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A few general comments as someone who really tries to make every bit of canon material count. Many times writers overlook bits and pieces they just don't remember or are too insignificant to weave together not cause they are bad people, they just forget. I am sure it is just an oversight due to human error.
That being said the 'Federated Suns 237th Light Cavalry Regiment' reference you make I am familiar with. My solution here would be to call them an ad hoc unit assembled for the express purpose of raiding the Taurian Concordat during the war. Perhaps staffed with folks who didn't want any part of the SLDF which I can see and perhaps the AFFS didn't want them either. As I recall my history the Federated Suns is just coming out of a Civil War, right? Perhaps these are Mechwarriors whose loyalty is in doubt. From their unit name it sounds like they are a lightweight unit so they'd be ideal as raiders.
Canonically, the Davion Civil War ended in 2540, more than a generation before the RW started; even if a trooper was freshly-enlisted into the Varnay forces just before they were driven into exile in the CapCon, he’d have been nearing retirement age by the time of the Reunification War. Checking HB:HD, Roger Varnay tried to return from exile in the CapCon in 2565, but he was intercepted: his naval forces (and their CC ‘volunteer advisors’) were smashed over Kigamboni, and his ground forces (including partisans within the FS itself) were wiped out ‘nearly to a man’ on Wappingers. The few to escape the massacre spent the rest of their days hiding and fleeing from Prince Alexander’s security forces, and Roger himself fled back to the CC and complete irrelevance, so our hypothetical trooper’s son (if taken during the battle of Wappingers) would be pushing forty by the time of the Sterope debacle. And Alexander Davion explicitly used the formation of the SLDF to dump a large proportion of the AFFS’ accumulated incompetents, no-hopers and ‘attitude’ problems into olive-drab uniforms, which almost certainly would have included anyone still waving the Varnay banner.
Don’t get me wrong: for the purposes of my work(s), I’m leaning towards assuming they were Varnayist holdouts. Indeed, my working theory is that they’re the composite remains of three regiments captured and amalgamated after Wappingers for the AFFS to use as a ‘suicide squad’ of sorts, diehards who never gave up hope of escaping or continuing their fight... even if twenty-three years is still a long-ass time to wait to make their prison-break! (Either that or they were ex-AFFS troops recruited into privately-sponsored mercenary formations, perhaps ‘household’ formations loyal to the new Duke of New Syrtis — whoever that was in 2587, since Cassandra Davion-Varnay was long dead — that then got amalgamated back into the AFFS as ‘contractors’ or ‘reinforcements’.) I was just hoping we might find some more canonical data, is all. :-\
The second issue seems to be the importance of Sterope which too me is the easiest to explain. Regardless of what status it held as an outpost or new colony the Taurians really put up a fight. I mean if you are fighting over asteroids in space it seems likely they'd contest a planet of minor importance that falls with in their borders. Marking their defenses up as tough seems to be accurate. Enter our ad hoc raiders I described above and perhaps they aren't as focused on their enemy as they should be. Thinking about their shabby treatment at home and would it take that much resistance to really make them say 'screw this'!
Perhaps true... but still, even a regiment of, say, Swordsmans and Wolverines is still a regiment, and to suffer 70% losses against what sounds like militia and fixed defences... God, were they all asleep when the Taurians showed up? Did they manage to crash their DropShips into each other or something? Did someone get lucky with a nuke or two?
Third their survival into the 31st century is a lot more complex but I am going to chalk it up to lucky banditry. Certainly the SLDF would have wiped them out along the way if they knew their homeworld so I am guessing they never did. Picking their targets well they could have outlasted the Star League and even gotten aid from Amaris (Periphery BattleMech Divisions). From their on out the Succession Wars is a fertile ground for their survival. And the depths that the AFFC had to go to in 3042 to eliminate them indicated they had learned well from their ancient Taurian adversaries.
I doubt Amaris would have bothered with Tortuga — too small and unpredictable to be worth bothering with — but in my set-up they have outside assistance from a non-canon state, even to the point of outright donations of massive infrastructure projects and literally millions of slaves. Not to mention that it’s also been established in-story that many military-production corporations in the IS simply bribe many pirate-groups to leave their assets alone by ‘misplacing’ a company or so of BugMechs their way every few years, since it’s far cheaper than having to wrangle with insurance companies after raiding shenanigans.
And I wouldn’t put too much weight on the outcome of the 3042 operation by the 9th RCT. That unit was newly-formed and sent to Tortuga for some ‘live-fire training’. They were half-trained, under-coordinated and just plain sloppy, and they still cleared the place out, even if it cost them most of a regiment doing it.
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Well they don't have to be Varnay supporters, they could be from one of the other Marches like the Terran March of the Rostovs or the Outworld March. That last March lying so near the Concordat and Tortuga which we know little during the Civil War leaves a lot of possibilities. Could be dissent was never outright crushed here but the formation of the 'Federated Suns 237th Light Cavalry Regiment' may be an effort to deal with distrusted loyal opposition.
Plus the Federated Suns have a proud history of establishing independent regiments. ;)
Taurian defenses were often well thought and is it really hard to believe that the 237th got pure intelligence on Sterope. Who knows what happened from a Concordat warship lying in weight to a well placed nuke? I doubt massive human wave attacks as the population just isn't there for that. Military Outposts serve different functions (listening post, trade forts, etc.) along frontiers throughout history so maybe if you see what Sterope has aside from location (water, food, resources?) you can determine a bit more.
How did Tortoga avoid the Star League anyway? Perhaps the Draconis Combine and/or the Capellan Confederation used Tortuga as a place for Hidden units to strike at the Davion Outback??
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It would be nice if the Davion Civil War novel book come out.
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It would be nice if the Davion Civil War novel book come out.
+1! Is that a thing? Would love to see Alexander Davion squaring off against his rivals for the throne.
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Newest BattleTech freebie (April Fools)
https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech/products/battlerun-ii-the-quest-for-the-thing (https://store.catalystgamelabs.com/collections/battletech/products/battlerun-ii-the-quest-for-the-thing)
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Lol, good stuff Dragon Cat! Did everyone see the BattleTech Kickstarter joke? The UrbanMech LAM looked pretty damn good!
https://www.reddit.com/r/battletech/comments/ftazv3/the_urbanmech_lam_the_future_of_battletech_at/
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Lol, good stuff Dragon Cat! Did everyone see the BattleTech Kickstarter joke? The UrbanMech LAM looked pretty damn good!
https://www.reddit.com/r/battletech/comments/ftazv3/the_urbanmech_lam_the_future_of_battletech_at/
They actually looked pretty good would die in droves but looked good
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If anyone is interested the new Touring the Stars Kaumberg is a good read
It details Kaumberg (no surprises there) and how its ruled like the others do and how the world fits uniquely into the universe. From standing up to the Rim Worlds raiders, to dealing with the Succession Wars, the FedCom Civil War and Jihad and then the Archonette backlash that followed decent read.
I find it amusing that the original House of Lords on Kaumberg who ruled the world originally each ruled for 5 years before another was elected. That same Kaumberg was the world tasked with tracking down and eliminating the Democracy Now movement.
While I know that the House of Lords each were born into the position the fact that they shared responsibility for the world is cool. Same with defence of the world given that the KPG are made up of elements of all the Lords forces. The world also has a decent sized navy which is given as part of the product i.e number of cutters, frigates, aircraft carriers etc.
I also like that they've sort of self assumed responsibility to help the worlds around them with the KPG deploying to help because House Steiner uses its main regiments to face off against its more powerful neighbours on other borders.
And the cherry ontop multiple variants of industrial/primitive Mechs. Well well worth it.
Herb (and the others involved), I really enjoyed this one thank you.
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Also I just finished Thermo Police again another great product it has a unique unit that is here to Serve and Protect
Honestly I won't spoil it but there's Police action, humanitarian missions, bandit hunting, wild beasts to deal with
It tracks the unit from the fall of the Star League to the current era where the Snow Ravens are making their mark on it
And it has a beast in it which is called the Krieghund and it sounds awesome!
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TRO Golden Centry is out, IlClan volume IV is out also.
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I am looking forward to Friday as I finally get to see an update on the Hanseatic League and the Imperio del Escorpion
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I am looking forward to Friday as I finally get to see an update on the Hanseatic League and the Imperio del Escorpion
Same
TRO Golden Century is a gem to, really like it
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there are few models that I think could be restored with newer tech. just love TRO Golden Century!!!
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I wanted more out of TRO Golden Century. Was looking for early OmniMechs but sadly no Coyote or Sea Fox precursors to their modern analogs.
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Skimmed Hanseatic Crusade and I was disturbed by the WoB influence and am now pleased that the Scorps squashed it flat (I hope)
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Yeah, looks good. Won't have time for a while but already bought a copy. Master Arminas will squee. :)
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I believe as he does that the Scorpions didn't get far enough away.
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I wanted more out of TRO Golden Century. Was looking for early OmniMechs but sadly no Coyote or Sea Fox precursors to their modern analogs.
I thought the early OmniMechs were great i wasn't too chuffed several used old art but it keeps price down so acceptable
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I wanted more out of TRO Golden Century. Was looking for early OmniMechs but sadly no Coyote or Sea Fox precursors to their modern analogs.
I thought the early OmniMechs were great i wasn't too chuffed several used old art but it keeps price down so acceptable
Haven't bought it yet as i'm not sure i'd get much use out of it, what designs are in it?
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Fox
Minsk
Vision Quest
Drift Shag (Falcon-based)
Mercury II
Pulverizer
Storm Giant
Kintaro-based Mech
Warhammer-based Mech (Masawuu?)
Gunslinger-based Mech
Omnifighters
Issedon (Spad-based)
Ogotai
Goth (Gotha-based)
Warships
Corone
Molniya
Peregrine
That's from top of my head.
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A lot of XL Engines pervading most designs. I thought that the Drift Shag was an Ice Hellion creation.
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It's based on the Falcon mech
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So the Corone, Molniya, and Peregrine have finally been shown? Are they any good? And do they explain why they are no longer in the Clan Fleets?
MA
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Yes, they are there. Small ships i.e. Corvettes smaller than a Vincent. In many cases designs were not completely killed off. There are fluffy openings!
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To add to what Tak said- the 6 Molniya have all been destroyed or scrapped. The Corone had 6 in the class. The last 2 were scrapped. However the design was given steroids and served as the basis for the Nightlord. There Peregrine is vague. 2 ships are mentioned but there is no indication how many were built. They also mention how they served in the Jihad.
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The Molniya was my favourite of the 3 scrapped because the Wolves had a bad use of them.
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Golden Century wolves naval wise were idiots.
Naval Warriors were disgruntled since regular Warriors wanted armored Transport and got their way..
Clan get Safcon, why heck would you need a WarShip? (love'em but still, it's Clan rituals)
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I'm really surprised as the Crusade built poltical stem that desired logistics didn't pop up like transports to conduct what eventually was Revival. Then again it is the Clans...
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I'm more incline that writers of the fluff for the three remaining (1st) WarShips had to explain what happened to the ships.
Given CGL's and many players bias towards the game balance of how WarShips have on universe is bias for mechs. Aka, they don't want them in the universe except in fluff.
Don't get me wrong, i love Mechs, i think their too heavy handed and causing them to be rare things and driven into extinction. That's why these three remaining ships are removed. If wasn't for the fact the Peregrine was mentioned in later years during the Wars of Reaving, all these ships would been toast.
I'm grateful for everyone who does does the Fanfiction stuff to keep them alive.
I'm actually little annoyed that most new new mini-TRO is filled with only Mechs, only ONE is actually a new new design.
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Warships could have been used to amplify the power of the BattleMech. The way in which the universe became a Mech myopic rather than Mech centric disappoints me.
I feel that there are way too many Mech designs as well.
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Warships could have been used to amplify the power of the BattleMech. The way in which the universe became a Mech myopic rather than Mech centric disappoints me.
I feel that there are way too many Mech designs as well.
Hopefully, you and the rest of your guys can get the band back together do a update AU or new one with more of a balance.
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The reason the current line of products features so many old designs is to sell minis from the new Kickstarter that makes a lot of sense to me
There's more than one new desig over all of them maybe one per product though im not sure
Warships could have been used to amplify the power of the BattleMech. The way in which the universe became a Mech myopic rather than Mech centric disappoints me.
I feel that there are way too many Mech designs as well.
I agree the First Succession War product, the Star League product and even the Jihad all proved quite clearly you could have WarShips and BattleMechs having a ball in the same battle
One thing I think they should have done is instead of Stoners "sheild" "bubble" "wall" whatever is use an in game mechanic WarShips. The Republic deploy a couple of dozen of them overnight several in every system and each time a Succession state send units in they obliterate them the succession states use nukes so do the Republic back to wall time comes back to wall measures
With the memories of the Jihad and enemies on all sides people would have stopped hitting the republic
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That's interesting. I wish they had been able do that.
Next coming should be novel/Novella, Icon of War