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Re: What would you like
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2014, 01:54:06 PM »

The "Variants", "Upgrades" and "Capabilities" sections mostly talk about stats, not history, and they're definitely not limited to Clan Invasion equipment.

Interesting point, though... maybe the "introductory" box doesn't need to fit the plot of current products. It could cherry-pick equipment from all periods.
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Re: What would you like
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2014, 03:50:07 PM »

No, not PDFs. I mean physically printed miniatures and books available at game stores. Historicals assume you know the rules to BT already and have some familiarity with the game. Take the rule book from the Boxed Set and combine it with a Historical + miniature pack from that era.

Given the lengthy service life of most BattleMech designs I'd think we wouldn't need era specific miniature starter packs. A range of starter packs should be sufficient to cover all eras. All we would really need to provide would be the appropriate AS Cards and TW RS in each Era Set.

This would help keep costs down, increase product flexibility (the miniature sets) and keep both the mini sets and the era sets as self contained boosters. 

Players interested in era-specific minis would have to purchase them from IWM, but that's not a big issue.
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Re: What would you like
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2014, 05:53:34 PM »

No, not PDFs. I mean physically printed miniatures and books available at game stores. Historicals assume you know the rules to BT already and have some familiarity with the game. Take the rule book from the Boxed Set and combine it with a Historical + miniature pack from that era.

Given the lengthy service life of most BattleMech designs I'd think we wouldn't need era specific miniature starter packs. A range of starter packs should be sufficient to cover all eras. All we would really need to provide would be the appropriate AS Cards and TW RS in each Era Set.

This would help keep costs down, increase product flexibility (the miniature sets) and keep both the mini sets and the era sets as self contained boosters. 

Players interested in era-specific minis would have to purchase them from IWM, but that's not a big issue.


Seems like the Boxed Set should be moving up as the era advances. 3025 should have been out of print 20 years ago, or at least confined to special editions and limited production runs. The Boxed Set should always reflect the current era.
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Re: What would you like
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2014, 04:12:31 PM »

Would you be against having a single box set incorporate all the easily digested items from all eras; and then push more complex things like C3i and Variable Speed Pulse into your proposed Era/Field Reports/Manuals?
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Re: What would you like
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2014, 06:01:34 PM »

Would you be against having a single box set incorporate all the easily digested items from all eras; and then push more complex things like C3i and Variable Speed Pulse into your proposed Era/Field Reports/Manuals?

That seems sensible. Probably like a merging of "Introductory" and "Standard" tech into the same "Level 1" system we used to have. Putting things like artillery, C3, etc. in the "advanced" category.
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Re: What would you like
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2014, 10:01:01 AM »

They've been doing this already and will be continuing to do it as they fill in some of the back history with Historicals, Era Digests and the FR2765 PDFs

No, not PDFs. I mean physically printed miniatures and books available at game stores. Historicals assume you know the rules to BT already and have some familiarity with the game. Take the rule book from the Boxed Set and combine it with a Historical + miniature pack from that era.

you seem to be laboring under the false assumption that Battletech is a Miniatures Centric game, when it is not.  We are not 40K and Catalyst does not have anywhere near the infrastructure to be LIKE 40K
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Re: What would you like
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2014, 11:38:18 PM »


you seem to be laboring under the false assumption that Battletech is a Miniatures Centric game, when it is not.  We are not 40K and Catalyst does not have anywhere near the infrastructure to be LIKE 40K

Please, do educate me, then, sir. How does one play BT without miniatures?
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Re: What would you like
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2014, 12:26:21 AM »


you seem to be laboring under the false assumption that Battletech is a Miniatures Centric game, when it is not.  We are not 40K and Catalyst does not have anywhere near the infrastructure to be LIKE 40K

Please, do educate me, then, sir. How does one play BT without miniatures?
game has been out for 20 years and you don't know the answer to that question?  Cardboard cutouts?  home made markers?

how about strait from the source.  page 9 of Total Warfare.

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BattleTech at its core is a board game; players move pieces
on a hex-grid mapsheet. Unlike tabletop miniatures games,
which use three-dimensional (3-D) terrain and rulers to
approximate movement and combat, the core BattleTech
game rules use specific, codified movement and combat
ranges within a mapsheet’s hex grid.

so long as you can differentiate what mechs are on the field and what direction you are facing, you can use checkers or chess pieces or coins with a serial number on a sticky note.
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Re: What would you like
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2014, 12:39:33 AM »

It never occurred to me, honestly. Nobody I game with would use coins or chess pieces on a BT board, or participate in a game that had them. All of them (including myself) were WYSIWYG type gamers. If you had an Atlas, you needed to have an Atlas mini of some type. Tossing a rook from your chess board would take us out of the game, mentally. Kind of like playing MtG with blank proxy cards. You could do it, but good luck finding a group that's into it. (At least in my area.)

Maybe it's different in other parts of the country and I live in a vacuum. ::shrug:: Hopefully BT is still being played. :)
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Re: What would you like
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2014, 09:55:15 AM »

you do, out here you play with what you want and what you can get your hands on.  sure I may have minis and lots of them, but it is kind of hard to experiment with the Gambit, the Stalker II, Juliano, or Scourge when no mini's exist for them.

for us mechancis trump art every time.
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Re: What would you like
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2014, 04:22:21 PM »

you do, out here you play with what you want and what you can get your hands on.  sure I may have minis and lots of them, but it is kind of hard to experiment with the Gambit, the Stalker II, Juliano, or Scourge when no mini's exist for them.

for us mechancis trump art every time.

I don't think that's the intention of the developer, however. Otherwise they could have abandoned the notion of 'Mech packs with Alpha Strike and just said, "we're not a miniature-based game." And yet they underwent the expenditure. It's obviously a core portion of the game. You can sub out sticks or pennies or whatever, but I've never come across anyone who felt the game should be played that way.
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Re: What would you like
« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2014, 12:25:13 AM »

They have really worked to emphasis how they aren't necessary in Total Warfare, compared to other editions. That's a good thing, as clearly, minis are not a core part of their business. For IWM, sure. For CGL? Not really.

I'm pretty sure it was their intention to make it clear it is not a necessary part of the game. It is in their core rulebook, after all. That's a good thing, as WYSIWYG has never been very prevalent in the BT community, unlike other tabletop games. I remember being in CGL events at cons (GenCon included) that used proxying. Plus, minis are ridiculously expensive, and I kind of find IWM's quality really lackluster. Then again, I'm a poor example. I never got into this game for minis. I hate everything about dealing with them, and frequently paid my players to assemble and paint them. :)
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Re: What would you like
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2014, 02:49:26 AM »

As I see it, Alpha Strike is a miniatures game, hence the cards in the Lance Packs.

BattleTech does not require miniatures, but any they provide are an added bonus.
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Re: What would you like
« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2014, 01:04:04 PM »

They have really worked to emphasis how they aren't necessary in Total Warfare, compared to other editions. That's a good thing, as clearly, minis are not a core part of their business. For IWM, sure. For CGL? Not really.

Huh? Can you cite where they "worked to emphasize" anything of the sort? There's an entire, 12-page, illustrated section on "PAINTING MINIATURES" in Total Warfare. I get that people have some attachment to using proxies, but how that's being superimposed over the rule book, I have no idea. In fact, using counters in place of 'Mechs is only mentioned once in the book, that I've read.

Comparing that to an 18-page section on painting, I wouldn't say that any effort was made to deviate from BT being associated with miniatures. The line JPArbiter quoted had nothing to do with minis, in fact. It was about using hex-based terrain vs. the 3-D environments sold by some of the companies mentioned elsewhere or built by the player. Hence the title of that section, "3-D TERRAIN VS PAPER MAPS."

You CAN use counters or pennies or whatever else. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, whatsoever. Minis are expensive and not everyone has hundreds of $$$ to buy a full set. But it's a stretch to say BT is intended to be played without minis. That's why I had suggested a small "Era Pack" of plastic minis for each era. For example, the Clan Invasion would have one of each OmniMech. The Jihad could have a "Celestials" special edition or "Word of Blake" mini-set. If you can't afford $15 for one mini, it might be affordable to pay $30 for 12 and get some real bang for your buck.
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Re: What would you like
« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2014, 02:25:09 PM »

As I see it, Alpha Strike is a miniatures game, hence the cards in the Lance Packs.

BattleTech does not require miniatures, but any they provide are an added bonus.

I think i need to try Alpha Strike.
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