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drakensis

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Re: Would you have followed Kerensky's Exodus?
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2012, 02:48:01 AM »

1. Probably. Kerensky's cult of personality is strong.
2. No. I've either done my duty to the League or in the latter case am more loyal to my House Lord than Kerensky.
3. Hmm. On the one hand the First Succession War is pretty bad, but there are places that are relatively unscathed. On the other, the Pentagon Civil War is something I can't avoid if I go. I'd rather take my chances with the 1SW.
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Re: Would you have followed Kerensky's Exodus?
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2012, 01:07:34 PM »

but looking over the other books it was very clear to me that the Cameron Family had enough respect and will to force the Succession States to tow their line of thought.  Camerons say cut your forces, the Succession States did it (perhaps not as much as the Cameron family wanted but they did cut down forces)

And the advanced tech and the war tools to avoid fighting against the 5 Successor States at once.
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Re: Would you have followed Kerensky's Exodus?
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2012, 01:34:00 PM »



Although saying that why Jerome Blake and Kerensky didn't work together to keep the Hegemony together and with a leader is a good question?


that IS the good question, and it is pretty clear that had they worked together one of two things would have happened

1) no clans, no word of blake, and a revived Terran hegemony and a state of at least low intensity warfare between six houses and not five

2) massive intersteller war ala succession wars all over agasin that would have left every state shattered and balkanized into 15 some odd successor states not 6.

Aleksander Kerensky leaving with the SLDF was a moral failure because he gutted the Terran Hegemony's army, left worlds unable to defend themselves who were not interested in assimilating into other cultures.  This defiance is seen all the way into the Jihad.  if you read those books you find many worlds in the Word of Blake Protectorate retained their sense of history, and knew that the houses claim to their world and interposing their culture was always bupkiss.  they joined the Word willingly cause they were different, or at least promised a difference.
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Re: Would you have followed Kerensky's Exodus?
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2012, 01:53:15 PM »

2) massive intersteller war ala succession wars all over again that would have left every state shattered and balkanized into 15 some odd successor states not 6.

Either that, or Age of War II.

Aleksander Kerensky leaving with the SLDF was a moral failure because he gutted the Terran Hegemony's army, left worlds unable to defend themselves who were not interested in assimilating into other cultures.  This defiance is seen all the way into the Jihad.  if you read those books you find many worlds in the Word of Blake Protectorate retained their sense of history, and knew that the houses claim to their world and interposing their culture was always bupkiss.  they joined the Word willingly cause they were different, or at least promised a difference.

Nailed it.
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Re: Would you have followed Kerensky's Exodus?
« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2012, 06:51:25 PM »

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He noticed a painting of a bald man in a uniform. "So who were you, I wonder."

Lane mentioned, "That's General Alexander Kerensky, Lord-Protector of the Star League. He defeated the Usurper Amaris in the great Civil War. Then when the Successor States began fighting among themselves for the remains of the Star League, rather than let his forces become yet another faction, he led them on a great Exodus out of the Inner Sphere. Legend says that they're out there somewhere, and one day they'll return and reunite the Inner Sphere."

"Deserting his duty?" Boomer said. "Leaving the people he's supposed to protect? Why would you want the modocker back? Target practice?"
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Re: Would you have followed Kerensky's Exodus?
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2012, 12:40:45 AM »



2) massive intersteller war ala succession wars all over agasin that would have left every state shattered and balkanized into 15 some odd successor states not 6.

Aleksander Kerensky leaving with the SLDF was a moral failure because he gutted the Terran Hegemony's army, left worlds unable to defend themselves who were not interested in assimilating into other cultures.  This defiance is seen all the way into the Jihad.  if you read those books you find many worlds in the Word of Blake Protectorate retained their sense of history, and knew that the houses claim to their world and interposing their culture was always bupkiss.  they joined the Word willingly cause they were different, or at least promised a difference.

massive interstellar war could have still happened had a Blake/Kerensky combo been successful I don't think the League would have survived the change.

Kerensky leaving - I totally disagree.  The Terran Hegemony for all its vaunted strengths was battered and almost beaten by the Liberation campaign - looking over Liberation of Terra points to dozens of worlds that were dead already.  Worlds and units were already being courted by the Succession States AND the Casper net was a total and utter mess - because Amaris used it.  They could not have stood up to all 5 Realms at once.

If Kerensky had stayed the First Succession War would have been even nastier in my opinion, the House Lords would have fallen on the Hegemony and Terra at its centre would have no option to opt out and remain neutral.  None of the worlds would have been spared.

Because of the defiance these worlds still felt during the Jihad I think you would have had a hundred more New Dallas if the SLDF has stayed - every single world would be telling the Inner Sphere to screw themselves because the SLDF Army and Navy were on their way even if they were tied up at another brush fire.

Kerensky leaving did gut these worlds but it also made sure they were not all turned into charred rubble by the incoming Succession Worlds, most of them knew - we can't stand up to this, we surrender - only the really stubborn ones died.  Kerensky leaving was a Tactical Retreat for the longer Strategic Game if Kerensky had found a safe haven he could have comeback.  Unfortunately the Exodus didn't work as he planned
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Re: Would you have followed Kerensky's Exodus?
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2012, 12:55:39 AM »

I voted no.

I'm not trying to start an argument, but can somebody show me where it is written that that the Star League ended definitively when the Grand Council was dissolved by the House Lords? All of them were still governed by the Star League Accords, even if the Grand Council was not in session.

Thus, Kerensky was still bound by Star League oaths. Thus, he violated those oaths with his Exodus, regardless of what he thought of the situation.

Stefan Amaris was a shrewd judge of character. Maybe, in his drive to destroy the Cameron legacy, he foresaw the possibility that Kerensky might not have been able to 'take the heat' and pushed Kerensky into an Exodus-type scenario?
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Re: Would you have followed Kerensky's Exodus?
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2012, 05:48:06 AM »

The Star League was never officially ended as all five Successor Lords was claiming the rule of it.

In practise the destruction of the Bureau of Star League Affairs during the late 2760s and 2770s, the dissolution of the High Council in 2781, the Exodus in 2784 and the transformation of the Ministry of Communications into ComStar in 2786 essentially ended the Star League as an entity but there was no official dissolution of it, just of its agencies.
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