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« on: October 03, 2007, 12:14:56 PM » Quote
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What technology is available to the different successor states exactly? Especially as far as advanced weapons (ER, Pulse, Ultra, so forth) and construction items?
Reason I ask is because I find it difficult to believe that all of those things are located completely in the Terran Republic. Sure, most of the production capacity for those types of things is probably located there, but I doubt that all of the production was restricted to there. And certainly factories in other Successor States were given access to said technology and have some idea on how it works since they did design 'Mechs and other stuff around it?
Not saying everyone has to have access to everything (in fact it would be more fun if they didn't), but each should have access to some different things.
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2007, 01:16:17 PM » Quote
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I believe we discussed this sometime in the past I dont remember what the verdict was Tak might have the notes somewhere
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2007, 01:33:44 PM » Quote
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Exact information on this topic we have not created but all the Houses have access to these advanced technologies. There is stuff like HPG, LF Batteries, and other high tech toys they don't have although somebody might be researching them in some dark room. Double Heat Sinks are probably among the most available to the Houses but are probably uncommon overall. Among high tech SL stuff that the Houses probably have or perhaps even produce since the fall Double Heat Sinks is a good candidate. Common sense says the more advanced something is the less likely they have it.
I've already started to indicate that hard core Marik supporters won't use PPCs as they are a Terran favorite. So the FWL would be unlikely to have the ER PPC in any numbers.
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2007, 02:26:21 PM » Quote
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Also, while we are sort of on the topic, what about ComStar? Is anything like it around, and if not who is managing the HPG networks, and especially rebuilding the network since iirc it was fairly damaged at the end of the uprising? Assuming that each house now controls its own network how has this effected communications between nations?
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2007, 02:38:35 PM » Quote
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You want to look at Fanbook 2 - Project Phoenix and Fanbook 3 - Mercenary Guild. In Corporate Profiles of each book is an update on the Department of Communications and then ComStar.
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2007, 02:56:31 PM » Quote
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Ah, I hadn't noticed that before. Thanks.
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2007, 03:14:13 PM » Quote
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NP, it is on 123 of the Phoenix PDF and 254 of the Merc Guild PDF. FYI.
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2007, 04:13:55 AM » Quote
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Back on the topic of availability of level 2 tech with the houses.
If we are not going the way of technology extinction like with the canon, I figure that we would see the Successor States gain access to advanced tech, some of it quite quickly. As you said they probably have most access to Double Heat Sinks, and I figure this would be something that they would work very hard to expand production of asap. I also think they would probably have access to production of FF and ES, though most likely in much lesser amounts. Still, they would work to expand the production of those too.
As far as advanced weapons, I would figure that it would be mostly energy weapons that they would have problems getting/reproducing. Because I said so, no real reason to think that. But it would be interesting if each of the houses had access to one or two advanced weapons (in limited numbers at first) from more or less the beginning. Would also allow different factions to develop different level 2 tech weapons so that each side has weapons with different capabilities.
I was figuring that something like this would be nice:
Kurita: SSRM2, and would put efforts toward developing SSRM4 and SSRM6's
Davion: Either LB-10X (just screams that davion wants it) or the UAC5. Personally I favor the LB-10X. Alternately, give them access to special standard AC munitions.
Liao: I would like to see them get TAG and Arrow IV, or maybe NARC and Narc guided munitions. Later, give them other specialty LRM munitions.
Marik: ER Large Laser (to make up for their weakness in PPC's) or UAC5.
Steiner: These guys could concievably do the electronics of GECM or Active Probe, but I think they would rather have either Gauss Rifle or Medium and Small Pulse Lasers.
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2007, 04:27:49 AM » Quote
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Interesting thoughts. I like your development list. Tech will decline over time as canon time line (at least that is what is planned) but we will strive to be innovative in spite of knowledge loss.
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2007, 11:50:27 AM » Quote
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One thing that I forgot to mention, I think that XL engines should probably remain exclusive to the Terran Republic, as well as some other things. MASC would be a good one to keep exclusive, but I could see House Kurita going to great lengths to get that since they favor mobility. ER PPC would be another good exclusive thing for them (in addition to their newer PPC developments) since it produces enough extra heat that without DHS's it is more of a burden than a boon. Another thing would be that since they probably have the most advanced electronics capabilities, they could potentially come up with some targeting type system, either the traditional Targeting Computer or C3 system, or maybe some variation on that.
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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2007, 01:07:44 PM » Quote
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This sounds like a good add for the 1st Succession War Atlas Volume I - Fanbook Number 5 which will be appearing after TRO 2800. We should remember however it will be a quick up and down. Sabotage by enemy spies (not only other Successor States but the Republic would act to preserve its technological edge) and war damage (especially to the jumpship fleets of the Houses) should be massive by this time hampering research efforts as well as production. Here is the basic list I use for design challenges set in 2785.
Star League Level 2:
Anti-Missile System
Arrow IV Missile System
ER Large Laser
ER PPC
Gauss Rifle
Ultra AC 5
LB 10-X
One Shot Missile Packs
Small Pulse Laser
Medium Pulse Laser
Large Pulse Laser
Streak SRM 2
Swarm LRMs
Thunder LRMs
Artemis IV FCS
Beagle Active Probe
Guardian ECM Suite
MASC
Narc Missile Beacon
CASE
Double Heat Sinks
EndoSteel
Ferro-Fibrous
XL Engine (not yet developed for aerospace fighters)
New Republic Level 2:
SN PPC
Light PPC
Headhunter Missiles
For Terra I was going to have them work on XL Engines for Aerospace Fighters, Heavy PPC, Streak Short Range Missiles (4 & 6), ER Medium and Small Lasers, other ACs and LB-Xs. These are progressions of existing stuff they already have even though again I'm not saying it will reach production. Perhaps advanced electronics like the C3 and the Targeting Computer are being toyed with but I would not have them discovered.
For all the Houses I see no problem with them acquiring One Shot Missile Packs, EndoSteel, Ferro Fibrous and Double Heat Sinks. Some of these would be easier to produce then others. EndoSteel I believe needs space facilities to be manufactured something that keeps getting wrecked in the war. The CASE is another system that might valued by Davion, Steiner and Marik. Individuals ain't important in Kurita or Liao space. XL engines while not produced by the Great Houses might be salvaged in some fashion and installed in a custom fashion.
Kurita: Missiles; Streak SRM 2s, LRM Munitions, Artemis IV, and MASC
Davion: Autocannons; UAC5, LB-10X, and Anti-Missile System (counter DC)
Marik: Lasers; ER Large Laser, Small, Medium and Large Pulse Lasers
Liao: Artillery; Arrow IV, TAG, and ER PPC (stolen from Terra or Marik)
Steiner: Big Guns; Gauss Rifles, ER PPC, and LB 10-X
Keep in mind this technology would be uncommon to rare among the Houses appearing most likely with VIPs, elite units, and a few lucky others.
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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2007, 02:46:24 PM » Quote
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That sounds perfectly reasonable.
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2007, 04:36:33 PM » Quote
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Sorry pipe in so late.
Question: Is there time frame for the technology to be lost? This is the Succession Wars. MOST of what is considered Level 2 was lot by all. With exception of Terra itself.
Has there been any thoughts on how stuff will go clinking off (availablity i mean.)
New tech goes POOF! just like that. It won't be the desperate Succession Wars if they didn't lose them!
Rare mechs more sought off as they have unique tech left in them. Struggle to do repairs when Endo Steel isn't made anymore etc.
Also, How will now, since with existence of the Terran Republic & Houses deal with these changes. If Tech starts going out, and it looks like Terra STILL has theirs. Three things are (possibly) going to happen.
Tech Raids: Beside fact they want Terran Republic worlds, they'll want all tech they can get as things get more desperate. Their still using NUKES in 1st Succession War.
Republic losing tech: Its small, it might be mighty technologly but it don't have numbers fend off everyone forever. Allies or not. Everyone wants something. Worlds with critical techs for republic may end up being taken and destroyed. (As dumb as it sounds to killing the goose after it lays the golden eggs.)
Republic hiding its tech: Its possible, like Comstar, that with noticing everyone is losing its tech, could end up hiding its techs or make look like its gone too.
I'm not saying Shatter's universe will end up this way, its differently than originals. However it maybe good thing to thinking about.
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only problem I see with the republic lossing tech over time is that means Earth has been taken out and that means the republic is beheaded.
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2007, 08:37:42 PM » Quote
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The Republic can lose its technical advantages through heavy destructions, look at what happened during the first Succession Wars.
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