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Re: Technology Availability
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2009, 03:51:10 PM »

only problem I see with the republic lossing tech over time is that means Earth has been taken out and that means the republic is beheaded.
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Re: Technology Availability
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2009, 03:52:34 PM »

The Republic can lose its technical advantages through heavy destructions, look at what happened during the first Succession Wars.
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Re: Technology Availability
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2009, 03:56:32 PM »

Not all high-tech manufacturing facilities are located on Terra. There are surrounding worlds that have these facilities and they don't have to be occupied to lose their manufacturing capabilities. A well-timed quick raid with a WMD will take care of that.
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Re: Technology Availability
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2009, 03:56:47 PM »

Or nuked.
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Re: Technology Availability
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2009, 03:57:18 PM »

Has anyone brought up the collateral damage all of this would have cost? Loss of life of course, loss of a manufacturing facility, ok, total loss of a technology, questionable at best.
What company that can supply military hardware would put all its knowledge of building, and manufacturing of said equipment in one place? None. Just look at the list of known manufactures in BT. Some of these companies are from the 19th Century.
That main facilities were destroyed is viable, but wouldn’t the people attacking at least try to make sure that they have the pertinent knowledge of this technology before they destroy it. Of course that would not always be possible but not once have I read where a certain House had been able to keep the knowledge and manufacturing capabilities of Star League era equipment.
On a smaller scale one could look to WWII as Russia moved a major portion of their war manufacturing capabilities east before the Germans onslaught. Then were able to rebuild their industrial base.
Last of my points: It was not the SLDF that built the weapons of war; they paid manufactures to do everything for them. The SLDF could never have stayed ahead of the Great Houses without the trick of making all of the Houses believe in the Star League and all that is involved in such a political base. The manufacturing was developed, tested, and produced within the Great Houses sphere of influence. But not one of the Great Houses was able to capture or retain information or the ability to build say a targeting computer that worked with the advanced nero-helmet of the MechWarriors.

Ok just to show that I am not totally negative on this point and that I can understand the Star League would do its best to make sure that the technology they have is secret and only to be used by them. Also that they would do their best to make sure as little as possible was left when they left on the Exodus. As they did with the data cores also that they would take as much with them such as specialty products such as crystals, focusing lens, etc. which would cause a major supply issue. Possibly the Star League made sure a majority of their equipment was developed from different House areas and only assembled in certain areas. You know like; “made in the USA” products are sold today. This would not be cost efficient but could help in many other ways.

The Star League Core is gone and a copy not to be found for many years, and who is to say it is an original copy and not a placed duplicate. Still that all but a few morsels were left behind seems a bit much. Still this is fiction and one cannot drag ones self up by the boot straps if everything is handed to one on a silver plater
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Re: Technology Availability
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2009, 03:57:40 PM »

Interesting ideas.

For the nukes things, I think the reasoning of the different Lords is "I have the technology available elsewhere, so I can nuke this place and decrease the capacity of my enemy to use it any longer".

If you apply this several times, you get a situation where all the advanced technology has been destroyed, the tech core pillaged and the R&D teams killed.

And as for the Terran Hegemony superiority, they invested heavily in new technology (State sponsored researches discovered the Myomer or the BattleMech) and sold the rights to Hegemony controlled companies.
Even if they had employees of the different Houses and had factories in the different Successor States (increasing the resources available to the Hegemony), they were rather loyal.
This plus the high security level prevented most loses of technological advantage.

Thanks to my previous comment, I hope it is clearer how you can still have made in the Hegemony products while using factories in foreign realms: they are Hegemony companies on Hegemony ground thanks to treaties with the different States.
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Re: Technology Availability
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2009, 03:57:59 PM »

What was the decision on the tech availability of the various successors states?

I ask as for example the Lyran Commonwealth have (had?) a factory on Son Hoa in the cannon universe producing advanced Highlanders and Emporers until the 2nd succession war.
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Re: Technology Availability
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2009, 03:58:21 PM »

The factory on Son Hoa is there, I believe it is mentioned in Fanbook 3 Mercenary Guild as being raided by Murat's Marauders.
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Re: Technology Availability
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2009, 04:00:03 PM »

Quote from: Takiro on October 04, 2007, 01:07:44 PM
XL Engine (not yet developed for aerospace fighters)
According to RTO3075 the TH had XL-engines for ASF. It is really the best place for IS-XL tech other than perhaps the odd special ability mech or vehicle.
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Re: Technology Availability
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2009, 04:01:49 PM »

Right i had a chance to look at TRO:3050U and a small part of TRO:3058 and i have the following advanced tech available to the following states:-

Taurian Concordat - Beagle Probe, Ferro Armour, Streak 2.
Lyran Commonwealth - Ultra 5 AC, Streak2, Ferro Armour, Case, Gauss, DHS, ERLL, XL.
Capellan Confederation - Ferro
Free Worlds League - Ferro

Thats from 6 designs built outside of the Terran State, 6 from 3050U and 2 from 3058, all were destroyed or out of production by the end of the 2nd war.
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Re: Technology Availability
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2009, 04:03:25 PM »

I did see that a SL Royal Aerospace Fighter did have XL Engines according to TRO3075. Guess I will have to adjust my thinking on that.

Six can you give us the designs and books they appear in. Double Heat Sinks are widely available IMO. Taurians with a Beagle Probe? Not sure about that.
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Re: Technology Availability
« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2009, 04:03:47 PM »

Taurian Concordat - Cyrano VTOL factory on New Vandenberg destroyed in 2840 and Maultier APC factory on Sterope no date on its destruction though.

Lyran Commonwealth - Sentinel-3L factory on Hesperus II no date on when production shifted to the lower tech -3K. Highlander-732 on Son Hoa which you know about, Rapier-100 factory on Tharkad no date on when production was suspended and Night hawk-2Q factory on Vendrell destroyed by a FWL nuke in 2945.

Capellan Confederation - Rogue-133E factory on Capella destroyed in 2797.

Free Worlds League - Gotha-500 factory on Stewart production ended during 1st succession war.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Technology Availability
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2009, 04:06:03 PM »

Quote from: Rainbow 6 on November 04, 2008, 05:00:40 PM
Taurian Concordat - Cyrano VTOL factory on New Vandenberg destroyed in 2840 and Maultier APC factory on Sterope no date on its destruction though.


I could only check the info from TRO 3058 Upgrade but the Maultier was rediscovered by the Taurians in 3019 and they were not able to duplicate its advanced technology immediately.
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Re: Technology Availability
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2009, 04:06:30 PM »

Quote from: Rainbow 6 on November 04, 2008, 05:00:40 PM
Taurian Concordat - Cyrano VTOL factory on New Vandenberg destroyed in 2840 and Maultier APC factory on Sterope no date on its destruction though.




There is no evidence that the Maultier was built in the TC prior to the 31st Century.  As Ice said when several were found the design was put into production sometime before the 4th SW.
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Re: Technology Availability
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2009, 04:21:26 PM »

My fault when i saw that it said the design was re-discovered i assumed it ment they had found an old production line, so the Taurians didn't have the streak 2 in production during the 1st succession war.
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