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Threat Assessments 2785
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Hi guys i've been talking to Takiro and he's asked me to start a thread about SLDF era weapons cache's, repair depots & WMD production facilities so if anyone's got any info please share. 
 
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Hey thanks Six. As I was saying we should think of targets besides mech factories in a Succession War setting. Star League Caches might be a concern especially for the Terrans. WMD facilities constructing weapons for use against you might be another. Fuel Depots that supply the Navies of the InnerSphere and are the life blood of interplanetary travel. Any other stuff we are missing? 
 
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What about agricultural/foodstuff supply depots and distribution centers? Medical research facilities? Attacking these may be seen as excessively cruel and most likely violating the Ares Conventions, but their destruction would certainly hamper the effectiveness of the Terran state. Just a thought...
 
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Hmm, I doubt "poisoning the well" is a strategy at this time. It is enough to target jumpships carrying supplies which is another good target for the Succession War. Jumpships themselves. Is there anywhere else besides Shipyards and Fuel Depots (I think we covered them) to find those targets? Also remember when considering the targets you are the Terrans. I give you permission to think bad thoughts about what you can blow up but don't get too nuts. 
 
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Military HQ's & Academies would be a good idea, cut of the head and the body dies & destroy the ability to replenish any losses. 
 
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Or an "objective raid" to grab or rescue the faculty, staff, students, & material from some of the military academies in the member states- especially ones affiliated with the SLDF.
 
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Good hit Muttley! What was that planet the Minnesota Tribe hit and freed all those prisoners? Realms like the Capellan Confederation, Draconis Combine, and to a far lesser extent the Free Worlds League might hold dissidents in Reeducation Camps located around the InnerSphere. The Star League was a popular organization and had many supporters who still might agitate for the Last Cameron.

Side note, how about prisons in the Periphery for SLDF personnel captured during the Uprising? Kind of a US Vietnam angle I'm going for here.
 
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Quote from: Takiro on April 18, 2009, 02:47:17 PM
Side note, how about prisons in the Periphery for SLDF personnel captured during the Uprising? Kind of a US Vietnam angle I'm going for here.


Would the Periphery states even take prisoners?  If they did I think they would have released them by 2770 at the latest.  While the Periphery states wanted their independence from the SL, they were repulsed by what Amaris did:
The periphery divisions that Amaris had ordered to protect the Republic had refused the order. Their reasons were many, but the most common one was revulsion for what Stefan Amaris had done. The warriors in the divisions had wanted independence from the Star League, not the death of innocents SLSB p. 87

Then add in:
Even the people of the Peripherym themselves not yet recovered from the ravages of war, felt compassion for the billions in the Hegemony and gave what they could. SLSB p. 95

Based on that I think the people of the periphery (in general - there would be exceptions) would not want to hold prisoners but would have released them so that they could fight to free their homeworlds from Amaris.
 
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Richmond I believe.
 
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What was that planet the Minnesota Tribe hit and freed all those prisoners?



Quote from: muttley on April 18, 2009, 03:38:42 PM
Richmond I believe.


Indeed. Richmond was the last world the Tribe hit. Before that they "visited" Svelvik, Trondheim and Jarett.

 
 
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Thanks guys. Your probably right about the Periphery now that I think about it Irose. Maybe a unit marooned somewhere in the Periphery and likely assumed dead but not taken prisoner. 
 
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Rereading the SLSB, there were no SLDF acadamies outside the FS & LC but theres nothing to stop us from having a few visiting professors at Sun Zang or Princefield.

And of course, SLDF personnel might have been "interned" by some of the houses... the chaos around the coup period would allow SAFE or ISF or Mask to "disappear" some Royal unit personnel or techs.

Or how about survivors of the 19th Striker of the ELH handed over to the ISF after their destruction on Amity?
 
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Actually Proserpina in the Draconis Combine along the Davion border did have a Star League Academy. However any SLDF personnel were likely returned or expelled while Kerensky was in the InnerSphere. No House would want to tick off the SLDF. Camps would be for natives who actively or were suspected of aiding the Last Cameron. Amity is actually in the FWL.
 
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Handed over or grabbed by SAFE while Escape & Evading after the destruction of their regiment? (Even more fun given the current relationships)

Oops on Prosperina- didn't verify on a map which House it was in during the SL era.  Just checked the Kurita Sourcebook- among other things it helps if I spell it correctly as Takiro did...   But why on Earth would a Cameron go to school way out there?
 
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Quote from: muttley on April 18, 2009, 10:33:57 PM
Handed over or grabbed by SAFE while Escape & Evading after the destruction of their regiment? (Even more fun given the current relationships)

Oops on Prosperina- didn't verify on a map which House it was in during the SL era.  Just checked the Kurita Sourcebook- among other things it helps if I spell it correctly as Takiro did...   But why on Earth would a Cameron go to school way out there?

  To my knowledge none did but if you make the Cameron family like the Davions or the Kuritas there are a lot of them and as members of the ruling house they may pop up all over the Sphere in diplomatic and economic functions or in the millitary.  Also remember going to school "abroad" may have the same attraction in thier eyes as it would in ours.  The Combine during the SL may simply be "exotic".  Look at it this way take your favorite house; list all the things you like about the culture, now imagine you are "Joe Shmoe-Cameron" 3018th line for the throne yopu have some assets and some family backing and can go pretty much any college your grades can get you in.  Now you've always liked (insert House)... What do you do?
  Of course this is why Amaris probably would not have been able to wipe out the entire ruling line.  There are just too many of them. 
  But lets not go there.
 
 
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What about the repair installations?
 
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It seems all worlds in the inner sphere have a small repair/logistics base (the ability to repair/rearm between a lance and a company of mechs), but some worlds have repair bases able to handle and battalion or more of mechs at any one time. 
 
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What about the repair installations?


Not at this time Ice, I would think they are far too numerous to be considered with. Right now you'd probably just target the means of production.
 
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Which are probably as numerous or even more.
Targeting the big repair installations could give one a small advantage.
 
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Negative, think about what your saying. Repair Bays are like Mechanic Shops albeit there might not be as many but Mech Factories are like Assembly Lines which are much less in number.
 
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Negative, think about what your saying. Repair Bays are like Mechanic Shops albeit there might not be as many but Mech Factories are like Assembly Lines which are much less in number.


I was thinking about the big ones, like the one pictured in TRO 3025 not the small Repair Bays.
 
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Right your thinking 3025 when large Repair Bays are attractive targets and not for destruction but capture. In 2785 these bays are much more plentiful and tactical rather than strategic concerns. It is likely most worlds have them and other high technology could devalue their target status.
 
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Right your thinking 3025 when large Repair Bays are attractive targets and not for destruction but capture. In 2785 these bays are much more plentiful and tactical rather than strategic concerns. It is likely most worlds have them and other high technology could devalue their target status.


Re-read the repair bay write up in TR3025- these were key targets, throughout the entire SW era. 
 
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Correct they were present on nearly every planet and were primery targets in any planetary invasion.

After all remove the defending units logistics and they'll be easyer to destroy in the field. 
 
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I believe Mech Repair Bays are Tactical targets rather than Strategic because they are found on tons of planets at this time. They aren't like a Mech factory on perhaps 1 out of every 10 systems say. There for I wouldn't include them.
 
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2009, 11:40:20 PM »
Hi guys i've been talking to Takiro and he's asked me to start a thread about SLDF era weapons cache's, repair depots & WMD production facilities so if anyone's got any info please share.
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2009, 11:40:51 PM »
The Galtor Library, Helm Memory Core, New Dallas Memory Core, Camelot Command & Gabriel come to mind immediately
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2009, 11:41:23 PM »
Hey thanks Six. As I was saying we should think of targets besides mech factories in a Succession War setting. Star League Caches might be a concern especially for the Terrans. WMD facilities constructing weapons for use against you might be another. Fuel Depots that supply the Navies of the InnerSphere and are the life blood of interplanetary travel. Any other stuff we are missing?
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2009, 11:41:46 PM »
What about agricultural/foodstuff supply depots and distribution centers? Medical research facilities? Attacking these may be seen as excessively cruel and most likely violating the Ares Conventions, but their destruction would certainly hamper the effectiveness of the Terran state. Just a thought...
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2009, 11:42:06 PM »
Hmm, I doubt "poisoning the well" is a strategy at this time. It is enough to target jumpships carrying supplies which is another good target for the Succession War. Jumpships themselves. Is there anywhere else besides Shipyards and Fuel Depots (I think we covered them) to find those targets? Also remember when considering the targets you are the Terrans. I give you permission to think bad thoughts about what you can blow up but don't get too nuts.
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2009, 11:42:33 PM »
Military HQ's & Academies would be a good idea, cut of the head and the body dies & destroy the ability to replenish any losses.
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2009, 11:45:48 PM »
Or an "objective raid" to grab or rescue the faculty, staff, students, & material from some of the military academies in the member states- especially ones affiliated with the SLDF.
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2009, 11:46:09 PM »
Good hit Muttley! What was that planet the Minnesota Tribe hit and freed all those prisoners? Realms like the Capellan Confederation, Draconis Combine, and to a far lesser extent the Free Worlds League might hold dissidents in Reeducation Camps located around the InnerSphere. The Star League was a popular organization and had many supporters who still might agitate for the Last Cameron.

Side note, how about prisons in the Periphery for SLDF personnel captured during the Uprising? Kind of a US Vietnam angle I'm going for here.
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Quote from: Takiro on April 18, 2009, 02:47:17 PM
Side note, how about prisons in the Periphery for SLDF personnel captured during the Uprising? Kind of a US Vietnam angle I'm going for here.


Would the Periphery states even take prisoners?  If they did I think they would have released them by 2770 at the latest.  While the Periphery states wanted their independence from the SL, they were repulsed by what Amaris did:
The periphery divisions that Amaris had ordered to protect the Republic had refused the order. Their reasons were many, but the most common one was revulsion for what Stefan Amaris had done. The warriors in the divisions had wanted independence from the Star League, not the death of innocents SLSB p. 87

Then add in:
Even the people of the Peripherym themselves not yet recovered from the ravages of war, felt compassion for the billions in the Hegemony and gave what they could. SLSB p. 95

Based on that I think the people of the periphery (in general - there would be exceptions) would not want to hold prisoners but would have released them so that they could fight to free their homeworlds from Amaris.
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2009, 11:47:02 PM »
Richmond I believe.
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Quote from: Takiro on April 18, 2009, 02:47:17 PM
What was that planet the Minnesota Tribe hit and freed all those prisoners?



Quote from: muttley on April 18, 2009, 03:38:42 PM
Richmond I believe.


Indeed. Richmond was the last world the Tribe hit. Before that they "visited" Svelvik, Trondheim and Jarett.

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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2009, 11:47:50 PM »
Thanks guys. Your probably right about the Periphery now that I think about it Irose. Maybe a unit marooned somewhere in the Periphery and likely assumed dead but not taken prisoner.
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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2009, 11:48:11 PM »
Rereading the SLSB, there were no SLDF acadamies outside the FS & LC but theres nothing to stop us from having a few visiting professors at Sun Zang or Princefield.

And of course, SLDF personnel might have been "interned" by some of the houses... the chaos around the coup period would allow SAFE or ISF or Mask to "disappear" some Royal unit personnel or techs.

Or how about survivors of the 19th Striker of the ELH handed over to the ISF after their destruction on
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