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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2009, 04:32:33 PM »

Military Production 2785:-

Draconis Combine:-

Sabaku Kaze Heavy Scout Hover Tank - Dabih - Source TRO:3075 pg.202
Daimyo HQ 67-K - Luthien -Source TRO:3075 pg.204
Sabre SB-27 Light Aerofighter - Galedon - Source TRO:3075 pg.212
Tokugawa Heavy Tank - Luthien (plus other sites not named) - Source TRO:3058 pg182 - note production started SW1.
Skulker Wheeled Scout Tank - Alshain - TRO:3039 pg24
Class 135-K "Lifesaver" Coolant Truck - Luthien - TRO:3039 pg38
Bulldog Medium Tank - Proserpina - TRO:3039 pg68
LRM/SRM Carrier - Alshain - TRO:3039 pg72
Jenner JR7-D Light Battlemech - Luthien - TRO:3039 pg112 (Also at Ozawa after world falls to DC, note 1st mech designed & built in the inner sphere after the exodus)
Panther PNT-9R Light Battlemech - Alshain - TRO:3039 pg114
Dragon DRG-1N Heavy Battlemech - Luthien ( plus other un-named worlds) - TRO:3039 pg142 (note the most common mech in the DCMS)
Quickdraw QKD-4G Heavy Battlemech - Luthien - TRO:3039 pg144
Charger CGR-1A1 Assault Battlemech - Luthien - TRO:3039 pg156
Shilone SL-17 Medium Aerofighter - Chatham - TRO:3039 pg210
Slayer SL-15 Heavy Aerofigher - Dover - TRO:3039 pg214
Locust LCT-1V Light Battlemech - Alshain - Objective Raids pg?
Archer ARC-2R Heavy Battlemech - Satalice - TRO3039 pg296
Stinger-LAM STG-A5 Land Air Mech - Irece - TRO3025 pg126

Federated Suns:-

Sabre SB-27 Light Aerofighter - Panpour? (jalastar aerospace) - Source TRO:3075 pg 212
Centurion CNT-1D Light Aerofighter - Panpour -TRO:3075 pg230
Lightning LTN-G15 Medium Aerofighter - Un-named world - TRO:3075 pg250
Cestus CTS-6Y - Kathil - TRO:3058 pg214
Fury Assault Tank - Britol - TRO:3050 pg178
Goblin Medium Tank - New Syrtis - TRO:3039 pg58
Manticore Heavy Tank - Panpour - TRO:3039 pg74
Blackjack BJ-1 Medium Battlemech - Kathil - TRO:3039 pg128
Enforcer ENF-4R Medium Battlemech - New Avalon - TRO:3039 pg134
Dervish DV-6M Medium Battlemech - New Avalon - TRO:3039 pg140
JagerMech JM6-S Heavy Battlemech - Talon - TRO:3039 pg148
Meteor Heavy Strike Fighter - Panpour - TRO:3039 pg182 (Later copied accross the inner sphere)
Corsair Medium Aerofighter - Multipule un-named sites - TRO:3039 pg200
Stuka STU-K5 Heavy Aerofigher - Demeter/New Avalon - TRO:3039 pg220 (New Avalon factory just opening)
Locust LCT-1M Light Battlemech - New Avalon - TRO:3050 pg54
Wasp-1A Light Battlemech - New Avalon - TRO3039 pg283
Phoenix Hawk PXH-1 Medium Battlemech - New Avalon - TRO3039 pg286
Griffin GRF-1N Medium Battlemech - Talon/Marduk - TRO3039 pg287
Wolverine WVR-6R Medium Battlemech - Marduk - TRO3039 pg290
Rifleman RFL-3N Heavy Battlemech - Talon - TRO3039 pg293
Marauder MAD-3R Heavy Battlemech - Kathil - TRO3039 pg298
Longbow LGB-0W Assault Battlemech - Crofton - TRO3039 pg301
Nightstar NSR-9J Assault Battlemech - Kathil - TRO3058

Lyran Commonwealth:-

Sabre SB-27 Light Aerofighter - Donegal? (lockheed/CBM) - source TRO:3075 pg 212
Lightning LTN-G15 Medium Aerofighter - Tharkad - TRO:3075 pg250
Thunderbird TRB-D46 Heavy Aerofighter - Gibbs - TRO:3075 pg286
Chameleon CLN-7V Medium Battlemech - Hesperus II - TRO:3058 pg132
Night Hawk NTK-2Q Light Battlemech - Vendrell - TRO:3058 pg204
Starslayer STC-2C Medium Battlemech - Loxley - TRO:3058 pg210
Emperor EMP-6A Assault Battlemech - Son Hoa - TRO:3058 pg224
Marksman Heavy Artillery Vehicle - Melissia - TRO:3050 pg172 (not 100% sure of this one as the text doesn't make it clear)
Sentinel STN-3L Medium Battlemech - Hesperus II - TRO:3050 pg194
Flashman FLS-8K Heavy Battlemech - Hesperus II - TRO:3050 pg214(possible production started before Renault-Primes factory on Wasat was destroyed)
Highlander HGN-732 Assault Battlemech - Son Hoa - TRO:3050 pg220
Rapier RPR-100 Heavy Aerofighter - Tharkad - TRO:3050 pg244 (Royal version also built)
Condor Heavy Hover Tank - Pandora - TRO:3039 pg60
Manticore Heavy Tank - Hesperus II - TRO:3039 pg74
Commando COM-2D Light Battlemech - Coventry - TRO:3039 pg102
Firestarter FS9-H Light Battlemech - Skye - TRO:3039 pg110
Orion ON1-K Heavy Battlemech - Hesperus II - TRO:3039 pg152 (production ending, maybe replaced by Zeus? Which begain production in 2787)
Stalker STK-3F Assault Battlemech - Twycross - TRO:3039 pg162
Atlas AS7-D Assault Battlemech - Hesperus II - TRO:3039 pg168
Seydlitz SYD-21 Light Aerofighter - Skye - TRO:3039 pg190
Lucifer LCF-R15 Medium Aerofighter - Donegal - TRO:3039 pg208
Chippewa CHP-W5 Heavy Aerofigher - Dell - TRO:3039 pg216 (i can't find Dell on the map, TRO says its a LC system)
Falcon FLC-4N Light Battlemech - Hesperus II - TRO:3039 pg248
Locust LCT-1S Light Battlemech - Furillo - TRO:3050 pg54
Stinger STG-3R Light Battlemech - Coventry - TRO:3039 pg282
Wasp WSP-1A Light Battlemech - Furillo - TRO3039 pg283
Phoenix Hawk PXH-1 Medium Battlemech - Coventry TRO3039 pg286
Griffin GRF-1N Medium Battlemech - Hesperus II TRO3039 pg287
Rifleman RFL-3N Heavy Battlemech - Pandora/Twycross - TRO3039 pg293
Archer ARC-2R Heavy Battlemech - Hesperus II/Alarion/Carlisle - TRO3039 pg296
Marauder MAD-3R Heavy Battlemech - Alarion/Carlisle - TRO3050 pg174
Nightstar NSR-9J Assault Battlemech - Loxley - TRO3058
Thunder Hawk TDK-7K Assault Battlemech - Loxley - TRO3058
Vulcan VL-2T Medium Battlemech - Coventry - TRO3039 (? plans captured from FWL)
Drachen Medium Battle Tank - Pandora - On this site.

Free Worlds League:-

Sabre SB-27 Light Aerofighter - un-named world - TRO:3075 pg212
Icarus II ICR-1S Medium Battlemech - Stewart - TRO:3075 pg260
Eagle EGL-R6 Heavy Aerofighter - Atreus - TRO:3075 pg264 (note according to the entry this is the primary fighter of the Free Worlds Milita)
Lynx LNX-9Q Medium Battlemech - Solaris VII - TRO:3058 pg212
Guillotine GLT-3N Heavy Battlemech - Irian - TRO:3050 pg210
Gotha GTHA-500 Medium Aerofighter - Stewart - TRO3050 pg238
Harasser Missile Platform - Irian - TRO:3039 pg28 (built at start of SW, 2 other factories added after worlds captured by FWL?)
Pegasus Scout Hover Tank - Keystone - TRO:3039 pg44 (production started 1st SW, 3 other factories added later.)
Hermes II HER-2S Medium Battlemech - Irian - TRO:3039 pg122
Trebuchet TBT-5N Medium Battlemech - Stewart - TRO:3039 pg138
Quickdraw QKD-4G Heavy Battlemech - Savannah - TRO:3039 pg144
Orion ON1-K Heavy Battlemech - Kalidasa - TRO:3039 pg152 (started building the design as it was phased out by DefHes)
Awesome AWS-8Q Assault Battlemech - Savannah - TRO:3039 pg154
Defender Medium Strike Fighter - Amity - TRO:3039 pg180 (Later copied accross the inner sphere)
Cheetah F-10 Light Aerofighter - Atreus/Amity/Marik - TRO:3039 pg192
Stingray F-90 Medium Aerofighter - Westover - TRO:3039 pg206 (Also Andurien, after world captured by FWL?)
Flea FLE-4 Light Battlemech - ? - TRO:3039 pg242 (built by Earthworks Inc.)
Locust LCT-1V Light Battlemech - Stewart/Gibson pg54 TRO3050
Stinger STG-3R Light Battlemech - Keystone/Calloway VI pg282
Wasp WSP-1A Light Battlemech - Kalidasa - TRO3039 pg283
Phoenix Hawk PXH-1 Medium Battlemech - Keystone TRO3039 pg286
Griffin GRF-1N Medium Battlemech - Keystone TRO3039 pg287
Shadow Hawk SHD-2H Medium Battlemech - Calloway VI - TRO3039 pg289
Wolverine WVR-6R Medium Battlemech - Thermopolis/Gibson - TRO3039 pg290
Rifleman RFL-3N Heavy Battlemech - Thermopolis - TRO3039 pg293
Thunderbolt TDR-5S Heavy Battlemech - Keystone - TRO3039 pg295
Archer ARC-2R Heavy Battlemech - Calloway VI - TRO3039 pg296
Warhammer WHM-6R Heavy Battlemech - Emris IV/Tematagi - TRO3039 pg297 & Handbook House Marik pg134
Marauder MAD-3R heavy Battlemech - Gibson/Wallis - TRO3050 pg174
Goliath GOL-1H Assault Battlemech - Stewart - TRO3039 pg299
Longbow LGB-0W Assault Battlemech - Emris IV/Loburg - TRO3039 pg301
Galleon Light Tank - Irian - TRO3025 pg182
Spider SDR-5V Light Battlemech - Tematagi - TRO3039 (plans captured at start of Operation Avalanche)
Vulcan VL-2T Medium Battlemech - Tematagi - TRO3039 (plans captured in raid on Northwind)
Battleaxe BAX-2M Heavy Battlemech - Keystone/Wallis - On this site.
Marechal Light Tank series - Solaris VII - On this site.

Capellan Confederation:-

Sabre SB-27 Light Aerofighter - un-named world -TRO:3075 pg212
Firebee FRB-2E Light Battlemech - Exedor - TRO:3075 pg242
Koschei KSC-4I Heavy Battlemech - Tikonov - TRO:3075 pg244
Lightning LTN-G15 - Medium Aerofighter - Sarna/St. Ives/Texlos - TRO:3075 pg 250
Thunderbird TRB-D36 Heavy Aerofighter - Axton - TRO:3075 pg 286
Pillager PLG-3Z Assault Battlemech - St. Ives - TRO:3058 pg 228
Rogue RGU-133E Light Aerofighter - Capella - TRO:3050 pg232
Swift Wind Scout Car - Indicass - TRO:3039 pg12
Bulldog Medium Tank - Ares - TRO:3039 pg68
Clint CLNT-2-3T Medium Battlemech - Bell - TRO:3039 pg120
Catapult CPLT-C1 Heavy Battlemech - Corey - TRO:3039 pg146
Victor VTR-9B Assault Battlemech - St. Ives/Styk/? - TRO:3039 pg158 (built at 3 HildCo factories)
Stalker STK-3F Assault Battlemech - Shiro III - TRO:3039 pg162
Angel Light Strike Fighter - Lopez - TRO:3039 pg174 (According to the TRO its a FWL design but the factory is in the CC?) (Later copied accross the inner sphere)
Corsair Medium Aerofighter - Axton - TRO:3039 pg200 (TRO entry says it a FS world but in 2785 its in the CC)
Locust LCT-1V Light battlemech - Ares - TRO3039 pg281
Wasp WSP-1A Light Battlemech - Shiro III - TRO3039 pg283
Crusader CRD-3R Heavy Battlemech - Asuncion/Bernardo - TRO3039 pg294
Battlemaster BLR-1G Assault Battlemech - Corey - TRO3039 pg300
Shrike Medium HoverTank - Sian - On this site.

Magistracy of Canopus:-

Sabre SB-27 Light Aerofighter - Canopus IV? (Magistracy Metals) - TRO:3075 pg212
Locust LCT-1V Light Battlemech - Canopus IV - TRO3039 pg281
Stinger STG-3R Light Battlemech - Canopus IV - TRO3050 pg58
Wasp WSP-1A Light Battlemech - Canopus IV - TRO3050 pg60
Shadow Hawk SHD-2H Medium Battlemech - Dunianshire TRO3039 pg289

Taurian Concordat:-

Sabre SB-27 Light Aerofighter - Pinard? (Pinard Protectorates) - TRO:3075 pg212
Thunderbird TRB-D36 Heavy Aerofighter - Perdition - TRO:3075 pg286
Cyrano Scout VTOL - New Vandenberg - TRO:3050 pg158
J. Edgar Light Hover Tank - Perdition - TRO:3039 pg30
Locust LCT-1V Light Battlemech - Taurus/MacLeod's Land - TRO3050 pg54
Stinger STG-3R Light Battlemech - MacLeod's Land/New Vandenberg - TRO3050 pg58
Wasp WSP-1A Light Battlemech - Taurus/Perdition - TRO3050 pg60
Griffin GRF-1N Medium Battlemech - Illiushin - TRO3039 pg287
Thunderbolt TDR-5S Heavy Battlemech - Pinard/Taurus - TRO3050 pg160
Archer ARC-2R Heavy Battlemech - New Vandenberg - TRO3039 pg296
Warhammer WHM-6R Heavy Battlemech - Pinard/Taurus - TRO3039 pg287
Marauder MAD-3R heavy Battlemech - Taurus/New Vandenberg/Pinard - TRO3050 pg174
Pack Mule - Transport VTOL - New Vandenberg - On this site.

Outworlds Alliance:-

Locust LCT-1V - Light Battlemech - TRO3039 pg281 & TechManual
Stinger STG-3R - Light Battlemech - TRO3050 pg58
Wasp WSP-1A - Light Battlemech - TRO3050 pg60



LRM/SRM Carrier - These were built at numerious factories around the inner sphere but no information is given.
Manticore Heavy Tank - This design was built at a number of factories accross the inner sphere in addition to the sites above.
 
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2009, 04:33:22 PM »

Size of house militaries...

We have the exact strength of the LC army 122 regiments, uncertain if this includes the 17 mercenary regiments since the Tamar Tigers were listed and they were officially mercenaries. IMPO those 122 regiments do not include mercenary units so the LCAF combined strength should be about 140 regiments.
We have a fairly accurate estimate of the entire DC army size as < 150 regiments, of which some 17 are mercenary units.
The FS managed to raise a 50 regiment invasion force mearly with the units they managed to pry loose from their peacetime bases, IMPO strongly suggesting an available force over 150 regiments with only about 14 mercenary regiments among them. A big but troubled army.
There are no hard facts on the CC and FWL military, however I would rate the FWL about equal, but not quite, to the LC and the CC lower, perhaps 110 regiments total. Also the FWL have a only about 10 mercenary regiments compared to the CC 19 making the CC house army significantly smaller than the other houses, while the CC figure might seem low they did have enormous problems just halting a 10 regiment drive despite the FS being mostly inactive on it's other front.

I think a edict of 2650 limit of around 40 regiments seems a good balance. When it was revoked the houses built up to about double that and later in the race the CC fell a bit behind while the industrial giants of the FWL and LC bulked up better. The FS and DC might not have the industry of those two but they have been cheating for much longer.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2009, 04:34:20 PM »

Found a hard fact on the 2650 military limits on p53 Periphery SB OE.

The Rim Worlds official limit was 12 Mech regiments and 8 conventional regiments.
It was admitted to be 30 mech regiments and 10 conventional regiments in 2766. The real strength was three times those numbers.

EDIT:

Also there were many references to old designs in TRO3058, most being built in new locations but a few references to old facilities:
Vendrell - reopened p101
Loxley - restarted? p103
Son Hoa - destroyed p142

And one from TRO3060:
Victoria - SL facility reopened p76, 112, 126
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2009, 04:35:06 PM »

I looked up that 129 number in HLSB and it is a very interesting. Page 51 under Recent History, second paragraph. "From an all time high in 2799" seems to indicate the CCAF may have grown during the early years of the war.

122 Mech Regiments for the LCAF seems to be arrived at from indications given on page 51 of the HSSB. Under Terms of Exhaustion , the fourth paragraph. It mentions 12 full regiments from the LCAF being wiped out completely and the other 110 suffering heavy casualties.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2009, 04:35:38 PM »

While we're on the subject- from rereading the original SL sourcebook, I don't think all the Periphery 'Mech Divisions were destroyed by the SLDF before the Coup.  They started with 50, but none aof the survivors accepted the order from Amaris to defend the RWR.  I'd assume they were destroyed in the 1st SW but do we want any kicking around?
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2009, 04:36:11 PM »

Quote from: muttley on March 16, 2009, 03:39:39 AM
While we're on the subject- from rereading the original SL sourcebook, I don't think all the Periphery 'Mech Divisions were destroyed by the SLDF before the Coup.  They started with 50, but none aof the survivors accepted the order from Amaris to defend the RWR.  I'd assume they were destroyed in the 1st SW but do we want any kicking around?



The survivors of the periphery mech divisions formed the post SL era periphery militaries.  This will be handled in FM:P
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2009, 04:36:49 PM »

Quote from: Takiro
I looked up that 129 number in HLSB and it is a very interesting. Page 51 under Recent History, second paragraph. "From an all time high in 2799" seems to indicate the CCAF may have grown during the early years of the war.
In numbers perhaps, hard to see it growing in strength particulary as it got it's ass kicked so hard by the FWL. With the opening of the war focusing mainly on naval supremacy there is a bit of room for continued growth though. More likely the CC made the old mistake of forming new units rather than bringing the existing ones up to full strength - a bad deal for both.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2009, 04:37:19 PM »

Quote from: Takiro on March 16, 2009, 02:31:01 AM
I looked up that 129 number in HLSB and it is a very interesting. Page 51 under Recent History, second paragraph. "From an all time high in 2799" seems to indicate the CCAF may have grown during the early years of the war.


FM:CC retconned this  p.32 the 129 regiments is now a prewar figure
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2009, 04:37:50 PM »

Right i've added another techreadouts worth of equipment to the list, but i've got a couple of questions, one about possible construction sites for the Nightstar & Thunder Hawk added above.

The other is what (in this universe) are we doing about designs that were in the final stages of R & D when the succession war broke out? Design's like the Falcon Hawk, Dragon Fire, War Dog & Devastator.

Ok something else i've noticed, according to the Galleon entry (TRO:3058) it entered production in 2895 on Holt, according to the Harasser's entry (TRO:3039) the Harasser was deployed at the start of the 1st succession war to compliment the Galleon's captured at the fall of the star league. Which version of the Galleon's availability are we going to use?
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2009, 04:38:20 PM »

And in TRO 3025, the Galleon served in the battles of the Amaris' Coup.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2009, 06:10:34 PM »

There were certain vehicles in TRO 3025 and 3026 that were indeed available during the 1st Succession War. I'll have to get the list. However these vehicles are the exception and not the rule as many were developed later, apparently.

Designs in R&D are just that 6.

Thanks for the info Irose. That doesn't necessarily contradict and could even show a Liao military reformation circa 2799. Folding units together, disbanding others, etc.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2009, 06:11:08 PM »

I will post it tomorrow.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2009, 06:12:39 PM »

I'm looking through my notes for FM TR 2785. Luckily the result of those can be seen on pg 169 of the latest PDF.

RANDOM VEHICLE ASSIGNMENT TABLE: TERRAN REPUBLIC 2785
2D6 Light Vehicles Medium Vehicles Heavy Vehicles Assault Vehicles
2 Gabriel Recon Hovercraft (5) Chaparral Mobile Artillery (50) Hi-Scout Drone Carrier (60) LT-MOB-25 Mobile Long Tom Artillery (95)
3 APCs* (10) Thor Armored Fighting Vehicle (55) Demon Wheeled Tank (60) LT-MOB-25 Mobile Long Tom Artillery (95)
4 Ripper VTOL (10) Chaparral Mobile Artillery (50) Marksman Mobile Artillery (65) Rhino LRM Carrier (80)
5 Beagle Hovertank (15) Thor Armored Fighting Vehicle (55) Magi Anti-Infantry Vehicle (70) Puma Heavy Tank (95)
6 Heavy APCs* (20) Zephyr Hovertank (40) Burke PPC Carrier (75) Fury Heavy Tank (80)
7 Rotunda (20) Goblin Medium Tank (45) VLN-K65N Vn Lucknr Hvy Tk (75) Fury II Heavy Tank (80)
8 Nightshade VTOL (25) Zephyr Hovertank (40) Demon Wheeled Tank (60) Rhino LRM Carrier (80)
9 Cyrano VTOL (25) Goblin Medium Tank (45) Marksman Mobile Artillery (65) Puma Heavy Tank (95)
10 Lightning Hovertank (35) Zephyr Hovertank (40) Magi Anti-Infantry Vehicle (70) Fury Heavy Tank (80)
11 Lightning Hovertank (35) Goblin Medium Tank (45) Padilla Heavy Artillery Tank (75) Fury II Heavy Tank (80)
12 Maultier Hover APC (15) Kanga Hover/Jump Tank (50) Coblitz Main Battle Tank (70) Alacorn MK VI Heavy Tank (95)
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2009, 06:13:17 PM »

Nice list, only 1 problem that i can see and that is the Hi-Scout Drone Carrier which entered service in 3000 with the LCAF.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2009, 06:13:51 PM »

One thing that is becoming apparent as i troll through the TRO's is that in 2785 most military production is within the former Terran Hegemony.

Also i wonder why the Lyran Commonwealth didn't make use of Captured Rim Worlds factories?
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