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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2009, 06:15:15 PM »
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One thing that is becoming apparent as i troll through the TRO's is that in 2785 most military production is within the former Terran Hegemony.

Also i wonder why the Lyran Commonwealth didn't make use of Captured Rim Worlds factories?
Well the TH industry produced for the 300 division SLDF, the house plants for the 200 regiment house militas so it is hardly surprising that most military hardware was Terran made.

I doubt the SLDF left much behind of the official Rim military industry but used it for parts in their efforts to repair the TH. Also most of the major facilities would be outside the regular Rim worlds and the LC never even annexed the entire Rim.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2009, 06:16:08 PM »
Here is a file I found a while ago.
I hope it helps.

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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2009, 06:21:51 PM »
Second part.

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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2009, 06:22:26 PM »
Quote from: CJvR on March 18, 2009, 03:28:18 PM
I doubt the SLDF left much behind of the official Rim military industry but used it for parts in their efforts to repair the TH. Also most of the major facilities would be outside the regular Rim worlds and the LC never even annexed the entire Rim.


Well the rim worlds factory that produced the Rampage (ISP2) is listed as destroyed in 2767 yet during the jihad Defience Industries were able to refit it starting in 3070 and have it producing 3 design's by 3075, Mongoose II, Zeus & Banshee (TRO3075). So if it could be repaired that fast after 300 years why didn't the Lyran Commonwealth put it back into production in 2785?

I've 6 12 hour shifts this week so i'll finish my list from the TRO's on friday.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2009, 06:23:20 PM »
Quote from: Takiro on March 15, 2009, 04:30:29 PM
Okay guys I’m drawing up some of the best indicators for force strength in the InnerSphere as we speak. That being the SLDF assignment list in 2764. Although I can’t find it exact somewhere there is a reference of 2 to 1 superiority for the SL Regular Army. Appreciate if some one could find that quote. Anyway got some other interesting things to share.

First up the Arms Control Timeline of the Star League and the questions I think it raises -
2650 The Star League passes its famous arms control edict limiting the number of troops each House could raise. (SLSB pg. 69)
Question 1; How many troops did each House have on average?
2752 During the Spring meeting of the High Council passed an Amendment to the Edict of 2650 which doubles the original allowance. They did so without Kerensky's authorization which was required by law. To pay for this military expansion they levied taxes on the Periphery the following year. (SLSB pg. 69)
Question 2; How many troops did each House have on average after the Amendment?
Question 3; Were the Houses who were previously fighting the 3rd Hidden War violating these limits prior?
Question 4; With under 30 years to the end of the Star League did the Houses ever reach these limits?
Question 5; If so how quickly did they?
2766-7 The Amaris Coup effectively blurs the legal powers of the Star League making enforcement of Arms Restrictions entirely implausible in my view. Also the Star League (Loyalist Regiments) and possibly even the Amaris Empire (mercenaries) is going to consume a large amount of equipment.
Question 6; Will this conflict impact the Houses buildup?
Question 7; When do the Houses cutoff Kerensky and the SLDF?
Question 8; 2779 or later?
2781 The High Council effectively dissolves the Star League which ends any arms control measures. This gives the Houses four years of unrestricted expansion.
Question 9; What can they accomplish in this time period?


Question 7 - Not near my books but there's a reference in the Starslayer entry of TRO:3058 that basically says the LCAF was receiving its Starslayers whilst kerensky's SLDF was not due to the Steiner buricratic delays. Not sure if it has dates but might be an indication of what was happening accross the inner sphere.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2009, 06:25:35 PM »
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Well the rim worlds factory that produced the Rampage (ISP2) is listed as destroyed in 2767 yet during the jihad Defience Industries were able to refit it starting in 3070 and have it producing 3 design's by 3075, Mongoose II, Zeus & Banshee (TRO3075). So if it could be repaired that fast after 300 years why didn't the Lyran Commonwealth put it back into production in 2785?
Probably because they were to busy upgrading and refitting their own mech plants with the new SL tech, and later in the war to busy just keeping them running. After the disasterous loss of Hesperus and Coventry in the Jihad the Lyrans were desperate enough to look under every rock and that is when they spent the time and effort needed to fix this plant.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2009, 06:26:08 PM »
Very informative lists Ice. Thanks

Ciao
Hessian
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2009, 06:26:44 PM »
I do not know if it is 100% accurate but I have it also for Clans and for every big piece of hardware.

To get back to the Starslayer, problems in production prevented Blue Shot to produce it before 2774.
Blue Shot used the excuse of not knowing where the SLDF units were to delay shipments (the LCAF receiving them in time).
The first shipments arrived in 2781 after the end of the Amaris' Coup and the activation of penalty clauses for not filling the contract.

Robert Steiner II is probably the main reason behind these problems but would all the Houses act like this?
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2009, 06:27:15 PM »
Well the LCAF faces many obstacles at this time. Personnel lose due to the Amaris Coup and a war on the Rim chief among them. No doubt Lyran nationalistic traits (Social Generals) would reemerge hampering their effectiveness further. The Archon is likely a part of the problem at the time but Commonwealth industry is likely torn in two supporting Kerensky and Robert.

BTW, special thanks to Irose for finding this reference.


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They passed an amendment to Michael Cameron's Edict of 2650 which now permitted each member-state's House Military to double in size. It was rumored that Kerensky was enraged to learn that the Star League mech regiments would no longer outnumber House Regiments two to one in the military forces stationed in each realm.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2009, 06:27:50 PM »
Quote from: Ice Hellion on March 22, 2009, 04:55:50 PM
I do not know if it is 100% accurate but I have it also for Clans and for every big piece of hardware.

To get back to the Starslayer, problems in production prevented Blue Shot to produce it before 2774.
Blue Shot used the excuse of not knowing where the SLDF units were to delay shipments (the LCAF receiving them in time).
The first shipments arrived in 2781 after the end of the Amaris' Coup and the activation of penalty clauses for not filling the contract.

Robert Steiner II is probably the main reason behind these problems but would all the Houses act like this?


Well both Kurita & Marik refused to let SLDF troops use bases in there territory so i'd be amazed if they allowed any military shippments. As for Steiner, Liao & Davion if they think they can get away with it then, yeah i think they would.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #40 on: July 31, 2009, 06:33:11 PM »
Actually the League did let the SLDF use facilities in their space up to a certain date. Kurita was the only one that completely denied them access.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2009, 06:34:18 PM »
Wasn't right up until the ELH made it around to the FWL and raided the Hegemony.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2009, 06:35:00 PM »
Fanbook 2 - Project Phoenix has Kenyon ejecting the SLDF in 2770. I forget when the ELH fought and were destroyed on Amity (a fWL) however.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #43 on: July 31, 2009, 06:35:24 PM »
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785: Research Clearinghouse
« Reply #44 on: July 31, 2009, 06:36:09 PM »
Interesting info found by Irose.
This means that previously, the SLDF 'Mech forces in the different Houses outnumbered the local units by two to one.
And you have to add to this, the units located in the Terran Hegemony.

I think that using the Deployment List found in the Star League Sourcebook, we could have a rough estimate of the respective forces of everyone.
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