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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2010, 08:40:55 AM »
Takiro

Yuppers, the Boot Camps are the secondary method of Lyran military education.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2010, 08:41:19 AM »
Ice Hellion

Quote from: Takiro on July 19, 2009, 09:43:14 PM
Right Six, I would contend that each of the Commonwealth's founding states (Donegal Protectorate, Skye Federation, and the Tamar Pact) had their own military academies. The Tamar Pact was established in 2235, the Federation of Skye in 2299, and the Protectorate of Donegal in 2314. The Lyran state was founded in 2341 meaning each of these proto-states had ample time to create their own institutions.

I still don't have a date specific for the establishment of the Nagelring but I'd assume it was a Steiner creation cause of the name. Likely it was established after the capital was moved to Tharkad in 2407.  It along with the Sanglamore became Star League facilities.

This goes against what is written in House Steiner Sourcebook, the Lyran Alliance Field Manual and the Handbook House Steiner.
You can find in all three of them that Nagelring is the oldest military academy in the Commonwealth/Alliance and that it was founded by the SLDF.

Maybe we could insist a bit more on the use of mercenaries and boot camps.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2010, 08:41:39 AM »
Takiro

So the SLDF was established when? 2570s right? That means the other academies were founded afterwards. Perhaps part of a radical reform project the Archon signed off on.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2010, 08:41:59 AM »
Rainbow 6

It would explain the lack of an academy on Arcturus & Donegal.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2010, 08:42:22 AM »
Takiro

Well remember those entries that Ice is referring to begin in 3025. Donegal and Arcturus could be the oldest right now but their disbandment would cause the Nagelring to become the oldest.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2010, 08:42:45 AM »
Rainbow 6

Disbandment or the Dracs dropping a nuke on each of them  Wink
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2010, 08:43:26 AM »
Or maybe the Nagelring was like Albion in the FS- an FS facility designated as an official SLDF military academy.  The SLSB says that Sanglamore, the Nagelring & Albion were the "only accredited SLDF military academies built outside the Terran Hegemony" (p. 109)   Note this claims the SL built Albion, even though other sources say it was originally a FS academy.

The HSSB says the Nagelring "was originally an official Star League Academy" P.122
FM:LA and HBHS only say the the Nagelring was "once an SLDF training facility"

So with a little handwaving, the Nagelring can be the premier LC academy that was founded when Tharkad became the capital of the Commonwealth and that the SL later designated it an official SLDF academy.  Combine that with the destruction of the other LC academies - such as Arcturus, Tamar, Donegal etc during the SWs, the Nagelring becomes the oldest LC academy in 3025.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #67 on: February 03, 2010, 08:43:45 AM »
Takiro

Hey gang I'm still working on this as we speak. Been trying to delve into a overview for the LCAF but I'm not sure if we have enough yet. The academies I think are all set and Irose's last suggestion sounds fine by me. We have plenty of angles on the Arcturan Guard (the unofficial unit of Tamar), the Tamar Hussars (one of the few noble forces to be considered line), the Lyran Regulars (the hidden units of the LCAF), and the Royal Guards (just the four regiments of the Archon's elite).

About the Lyran Guard being the primary contingent of the LCAF. I think I'm fine with the formation being so large but is it so snotty. I mean really I see this as being the core of the traditional Lyran forces embracing the contraversial practices (Social General). They have been hard to break especially since some Archon's favor such practices like the one before Jennifer. Of course this isn't the rule as perhaps some commands are quite capable but on the whole I think they some up what it means to be a Lyran soldier especially outside the Star League philosophy. I see a possible native backlash in their ranks to such new ideas.
 
I'd also like to get more thoughts on the Skye Rangers. Why wasn't this unit disbanded after the Civil War like the Tamar unit we guess at may have been? Their relationship to the Steiners? Especially since the day of rage during the Reunification War. To the nearby Terrans? Certainly Skye and Terra have had close relations as I can think of at least one occasion where they (Royal families) intermarried. Is this why the Commonwealth almost disbanded during the League?
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #68 on: February 03, 2010, 08:44:09 AM »
Ice Hellion

Okay for the Lyran Guards.
As for the Skye Rangers, what about politics? You know showing to the people of Skye that "their" soldiers stand with the Lyran Commonwealth (even if it is not totally true) and such.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #69 on: February 03, 2010, 08:44:33 AM »
Takiro

Free Skye
When did this organization take root?
Does it date back to Marsden Coup in 2375?

Skye Rangers
Originally the army of the Federation of Skye according to FM LA pg 99 with hundreds of years history. My question is still how?? Why wasn't this unit disbanded? In 2375 Robert Marsden staged a coup to seize control of the Commonwealth. One of the worlds that resisted was Skye and yet the Rangers avoided oblivion. The Lyran Civil War which began in 2501 and lasted to 2505 is a second reason to finish their history long before now but didn’t happen. Why? Even more puzzling is the fact that Tamar had more of a militant philosophy and their forces didn’t survive (although my research indicates that the Tamar Tigers were formed before the Civil War).

Territorial Losses
One area of research that came back negative as the Federation of Skye lost no founding worlds to either the Draconis Combine to Free Worlds League during the Age of War.

House Lestrade
Rose to power in 2506 after the Lyran Civil War when they were awarded title to Skye by Archon Robert Steiner for loyal service. In 2591 their unconditional fidelity came to an end with the ‘Day of Rage’.

Failed Dissolution
During the Star League era, 2643 to be exact, the Decentralist Movement nearly dissolved the Commonwealth which was thought to be unnecessary in this new age of peace. Any connection to Skye?

Marriage to the Camerons?
SLSB pg 25 - 2370s Lord Raymond the fourth Director-General of the Hegemony married Katherine McQuiston. Prior to this, relations between Skye and Terra had been cool (the Motherine Doctrine and the Symra Ambush) but many hoped that would change. However the couple was soon involved in a scandal when the neglected wife turned to Raymond’s brother Brian for attention. The affair was discovered shortly before Raymond’s death and nearly ended the Cameron dynasty. However, Brian Cameron beat the charges and became the fifth Director. In 2399 he married Katherine McQuiston.
SLSB pg 27 – The ties between the Hegemony and the Lyran Commonwealth had always been close, and her brother’s (Lady Judith) to one of the Commonwealth’s famous McQuistons had made that bond even stronger.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #70 on: February 03, 2010, 08:44:59 AM »
Quote from: Takiro on August 01, 2009, 10:34:57 PM
Free Skye
When did this organization take root?
Does it date back to Marsden Coup in 2375?

Can't find anything specific but I figure they are more recent - late 3rd SW maybe.


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Skye Rangers
Originally the army of the Federation of Skye according to FM LA pg 99 with hundreds of years history. My question is still how?? Why wasn't this unit disbanded? In 2375 Robert Marsden staged a coup to seize control of the Commonwealth. One of the worlds that resisted was Skye and yet the Rangers avoided oblivion. The Lyran Civil War which began in 2501 and lasted to 2505 is a second reason to finish their history long before now but didn’t happen. Why? Even more puzzling is the fact that Tamar had more of a militant philosophy and their forces didn’t survive (although my research indicates that the Tamar Tigers were formed before the Civil War).

Maybe the Skye Rangers largely sided with Robert Marsden and not the Duke of Skye- HSSB p. 11 says the Marsden had many contacts in the military and they formed a core of an army loyal to him.  Also he could have rebuilt the Rangers as a PR move to try and foster good will with the Federation of Skye.

Also in 2471 Archon Michael Steiner married Regina McQuiston, last of the McQuiston Line which would help tie Skye to the Steiners- so maybe the Rangers sided with Robert Steiner during the Civil War.

Interestingly HSSB p. 26 mentions that the Duke of Skye's "house units" fought against Steiner in the Civil War- maybe these house units were different from the Rangers.  It also says that units from Tamar fought against the Robert- maybe the Tamar forces were the equivalent of the Rangers and they were disbanded after the war as a result of fighting against the Archon.

The Tamar Tigers (originally the Tamar Hussars) first received mechs in 2465 HSSB p. 45
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #71 on: February 03, 2010, 08:45:17 AM »
FirstStarLord

Quote from: lrose on August 02, 2009, 01:22:42 AM
Interestingly HSSB p. 26 mentions that the Duke of Skye's "house units" fought against Steiner in the Civil War- maybe these house units were different from the Rangers.  It also says that units from Tamar fought against the Robert- maybe the Tamar forces were the equivalent of the Rangers and they were disbanded after the war as a result of fighting against the Archon.

You mean like the Duke's Own Huscarls? I remember them being mentioned in Operation: Audacity. By the 3050's they were an infantry unit, but back in the day they might have had mechs.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #72 on: February 03, 2010, 08:45:34 AM »
Takiro

Interesting guys. I've never heard of that unit before FSL. Huscarls make sense though since it means House Guards.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #73 on: February 03, 2010, 08:45:59 AM »
Ice Hellion

Quote from: lrose on August 02, 2009, 01:22:42 AM
Can't find anything specific but I figure they are more recent - late 3rd SW maybe.

But this does not mean that the Lyran Commonwealth should not look closely at the "feelings" of the Skye people (which always seemed quite proud of their history and such).

Quote from: lrose on August 02, 2009, 01:22:42 AM
Maybe the Skye Rangers largely sided with Robert Marsden and not the Duke of Skye- HSSB p. 11 says the Marsden had many contacts in the military and they formed a core of an army loyal to him.  Also he could have rebuilt the Rangers as a PR move to try and foster good will with the Federation of Skye.

A possible explanation.

Quote from: FirstStarLord on August 02, 2009, 02:30:03 AM
You mean like the Duke's Own Huscarls? I remember them being mentioned in Operation: Audacity. By the 3050's they were an infantry unit, but back in the day they might have had mechs.

Could you be more specific as I never read that book?
Thanks.
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Re: Threat Assessments 2785 Notes
« Reply #74 on: February 03, 2010, 08:46:24 AM »
FirstStarLord
Quote from: Ice Hellion on August 02, 2009, 04:18:44 PM
Could you be more specific as I never read that book?
Thanks.

We don't know too much about them. It was stated in the book that elements of the Huscarls (a battalion of infantry) were supporting a Lyran Marshal who plotted to capture Hesperus II and use its factories to support the moribund Free Skye movement. The Grey Death Legion were on Hesperus at that time, and they uncovered the plot and defeated the Marshal and his rebel forces (which consisted of elements from a number of commands in the Skye Rangers and the Lyran Guards).

The Huscarls are said in the text to be the Duke of Skye's personal guard.
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