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ComStar Advanced Concepts #000: Other Clanbusters
« on: February 09, 2020, 09:06:23 PM »
With the Clan Invasion Kickstarter nearing frution this year I really hope we get a more detailed look at the climatic battle that end it all - at least for 15 years. Tukayyid was a titanic struggle between the Warriors of Kerensky and the heroic ComGuards who must have had their share of interesting lostech. The scenario book entitled Tukayyid featured some of these Clanbusters but suredly there must have been others. Maybe they were less prevelant or super clandestine in nature to be overlooked but how else does one defeat Trueborn Clan Warriors armed with hyper advanced technology?

Let me start you off with a super good example of this concept from Bradshaw, link below.

https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=3838.msg48608#msg48608

As you can see this UrbanMech featuring two PPCs and Double Heat Sinks instead of a AC/10 which I called 'Lightning Rod' or 'UrbanThunder' is a simple but highly effective upgrade that would have even shocked the Clans at this time. Of course, I'd like to see this and other competitors get all the fluff they deserve here explaining their role in the titanic struggle for Terra.

As ComStar has a vast amount of Star League technology to draw upon almost anything is possible. What of an Exterminator with working Null Signature System? Upgraded LAM units? You can justify an awful lot here and I'd like to see you try!

This contest and the Great Ost-pansion will continue the entire month of February before the stroke of midnight Eastern Time US on Leap Day sends to March.
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #000: Other Clanbusters
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2020, 05:00:08 AM »
Aside rom the King Crab and Black Knight (maybe), the ComGuards clanbusters are a joke. The Hussar lacks ammo and the other two are just too weak. IS Pulse Lasers are not 'Clanbuster' weapons. Gauss Rifles and ER PPCs are the closest that the IS forces can get to busting Clans and yet still not close enough. The thing that hurts the Clans the most is the IS forces numerical superiority. Eventually quantity will defeat quality.
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #000: Other Clanbusters
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2020, 09:41:27 AM »
Quote from: Abele on February 10, 2020, 05:00:08 AM
Aside rom the King Crab and Black Knight (maybe), the ComGuards clanbusters are a joke. The Hussar lacks ammo and the other two are just too weak. IS Pulse Lasers are not 'Clanbuster' weapons. Gauss Rifles and ER PPCs are the closest that the IS forces can get to busting Clans and yet still not close enough. The thing that hurts the Clans the most is the IS forces numerical superiority. Eventually quantity will defeat quality.

100% agree. Hussar they claim the LBX was great for anti-vehicle screening Clans didn't use vehicles on Tukayyid. HATE IS Pulse lasers.
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #000: Other Clanbusters
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2020, 10:07:22 AM »
I'll do a few designs then fluff them out later.

Hunchback HBK-5CB

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Mass: 50 tons
Chassis: Standard Biped
Power Plant: 300 XL
Cruising Speed: 64.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 97.2 kph
Jump Jets: None
     Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     2 ER PPC
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3046
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-F-D-D
Cost: 9,334,500 C-bills

Type: Hunchback
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 1,421

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    5
Engine                        300 XL                9.5
Walking MP: 6
Running MP: 9
Jumping MP: 0
Double Heat Sink              15 [30]                 5
Gyro                                                  3
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor                  168                  10.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            16        24   
     Center Torso (rear)               7     
     R/L Torso               12        19   
     R/L Torso (rear)                  5     
     R/L Arm                 8         16   
     R/L Leg                 12        24   

Weapons              Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage
ER PPC                   RT        3        15      7.0   
ER PPC                   LT        3        15      7.0   
2 Double Heat Sinks      RT        6        -       2.0   
Double Heat Sink         LT        3        -       1.0   
Quickdraw QKD-5CB

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Mass: 60 tons
Chassis: Standard Biped
Power Plant: 300 XL
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Jump Jets: Standard
     Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     2 Medium Laser
     2 SRM 6
     2 Large Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown

Introduction Year: 3051
Cost: 11,912,960 C-bills
Battle Value: 1,541

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    6
Engine                        300 XL                9.5
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 5
Double Heat Sink              13 [26]                 3
Gyro                                                  3
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Ferro)          170                   9.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            20        25   
     Center Torso (rear)               8     
     R/L Torso               14        20   
     R/L Torso (rear)                  5     
     R/L Arm                 10        16   
     R/L Leg                 14        23   

Weapons              Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage
Large Laser              LA        2        8       5.0   
Large Laser              RA        2        8       5.0   
Medium Laser             LT        1        3       1.0   
Medium Laser             RT        1        3       1.0   
SRM 6                    RT        2        4       3.0   
SRM 6                    LT        2        4       3.0   
SRM 6 Ammo (15)          RT        1        -       1.0   
SRM 6 Ammo (15)          LT        1        -       1.0   
CASE                     RT        1        -       0.5   
CASE                     LT        1        -       0.5   
2 Jump Jets              RT        2        -       2.0   
2 Jump Jets              LT        2        -       2.0   
Jump Jet                 CT        1        -       1.0   
Double Heat Sink         RA        3        -       1.0


Thug THG-11CB

Stripped 320 XL Engines from Manta Fast Attack Submarines

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Mass: 80 tons
Chassis: Endo Steel Biped
Power Plant: 320 XL
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Jump Jets: None
     Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     2 Gauss Rifle
     2 SRM 6
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown

Introduction Year: 3051
Cost: 18,001,200 C-bills
Battle Value: 1,949

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure            Endo Steel              4
Engine                        320 XL               11.5
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Double Heat Sink              10 [20]                 0
Gyro                                                  4
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor                  237                  14.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            25        36   
     Center Torso (rear)               14   
     R/L Torso               17        26   
     R/L Torso (rear)                  8     
     R/L Arm                 13        24   
     R/L Leg                 17        31   

Weapons               Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage
Gauss Rifle                RA        7        1       15.0 
Gauss Rifle Ammo (16)      RA        2        -       2.0   
Gauss Rifle                LA        7        1       15.0 
Gauss Rifle Ammo (16)      LA        2        -       2.0   
SRM 6                      RT        2        4       3.0   
SRM 6 Ammo (15)            RT        1        -       1.0   
CASE                       RT        1        -       0.5   
SRM 6                      LT        2        4       3.0   
SRM 6 Ammo (15)            LT        1        -       1.0   
CASE                       LT        1        -       0.5   


Grasshopper GHR-CB

Utilizes 350XL from stripped and decommissioned Excalibur BattleMechs.

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Mass: 70 tons
Chassis: Standard Biped
Power Plant: 350 XL
Cruising Speed: 54 kph
Maximum Speed: 86.4 kph
Jump Jets: Standard
     Jump Capacity: 150 meters
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 ER Large Laser
     8 Medium Laser
     1 Flamer
     1 TAG
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown

Introduction Year: 3051
Cost: 17,224,457 C-bills
Battle Value: 1,963

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    7
Engine                        350 XL                 15
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8
Jumping MP: 5
Double Heat Sink              15 [30]                 5
Gyro                                                  4
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Ferro)          215                    12

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            22        34   
     Center Torso (rear)               10   
     R/L Torso               15        23   
     R/L Torso (rear)                  7     
     R/L Arm                 11        21   
     R/L Leg                 15        30   

Weapons                   Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage
ER Large Laser                RT        2        12      5.0   
Medium Laser                  CT        1        3       1.0   
Medium Laser                  RT        1        3       1.0   
2 Medium Lasers               RA        2        3       2.0   
2 Medium Lasers               LA        2        3       2.0   
2 Medium Lasers               LT        2        3       2.0   
Flamer                        RA        1        3       1.0   
TAG                           HD        1        0       1.0   
Remote Sensors/Dispenser      RT        1        -       0.5   
Remote Sensors/Dispenser      LT        1        -       0.5   
Active Probe                  RT        2        -       1.5   
ECM Suite                     LT        2        -       1.5   
2 Jump Jets                   LL        2        -       2.0   
2 Jump Jets                   RL        2        -       2.0   
Jump Jet                      CT        1        -       1.0   
Double Heat Sink              RT        3        -       1.0      
   
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #000: Other Clanbusters
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2020, 04:54:07 PM »
Glad to see some ideas Bradshaw!

I agree that numbers overwhelm the Clan Invader here but I think the ComGuard could have done some refits for the battle which could have better served them.
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #000: Other Clanbusters
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2020, 06:20:23 PM »
Looking through sarna there are already quite a few more clan busters that were revealed later from TRO 2750 designs
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #000: Other Clanbusters
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2020, 07:27:15 PM »
Got some examples?
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #000: Other Clanbusters
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2020, 10:12:26 AM »
K I was wrong the only one that was added after the Tukayyid book was the THE-N1 Thorn
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #000: Other Clanbusters
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2020, 04:06:09 PM »
Quote from: Bradshaw on February 11, 2020, 10:12:26 AM
K I was wrong the only one that was added after the Tukayyid book was the THE-N1 Thorn

That is a good one or at least better than the base Thorn design from 2750 which the Clans would have eaten alive.

So add the THE-N1 Thorn to the ComGuard Clanbuster list which includes BL9-KNT Black Knight, CHP-3N Champion, HSR 400-D Hussar, KGC-001 King Crab, and WVE-9N Wyvern from the Tukayyid Scenario Pack along with our dual PPC UrbanMech.

Any other concepts? Looks like a lot of Technical Readout 2750 stuff, hint hint. :)
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #000: Other Clanbusters
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2020, 04:25:27 PM »
Why wouldn't they just have Royal variants. I know they came out later in real life, but they would make sense for them to have now in Canon as well. Its the reason I chose other traditional designs. I have one other design I thought of I'll get that and fluff done maybe tomorrow with day off or Thursday at latest.
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #000: Other Clanbusters
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2020, 07:57:56 PM »
Royal SLDF variants would be available after the discovery of the New Dallas or Hegemony Memory Core. This happens sooner in our setting but not before Tukayyid.

What are some ComGuard preferred Mechs Tukayyid??
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #000: Other Clanbusters
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2020, 12:52:30 PM »
I mean how many 'Mechs were left with Comstar and none were Royal? The fluff in canon about their reveal never made much sense.


Chameleon CLN-CB

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Mass: 50 tons
Chassis: Standard Biped
Power Plant: 300 XL
Cruising Speed: 64.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 97.2 kph
Jump Jets: Standard
     Jump Capacity: 180 meters
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     1 ER PPC
     4 Medium Laser
     4 Small Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown

Introduction Year: 3051
Cost: 9,850,500 C-bills
Battle Value: 1,580

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    5
Engine                        300 XL                9.5
Walking MP: 6
Running MP: 9
Jumping MP: 6
Double Heat Sink              14 [28]                 4
Gyro                                                  3
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Ferro)          169                   9.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            16        24   
     Center Torso (rear)               8     
     R/L Torso               12        20   
     R/L Torso (rear)                  4     
     R/L Arm                 8         16   
     R/L Leg                 12        24   

Weapons              Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage
ER PPC                   RA        3        15      7.0   
2 Medium Lasers          CT        2        3       2.0   
Medium Laser             LT        1        3       1.0   
Medium Laser             RT        1        3       1.0   
2 Small Lasers           LT        2        1       1.0   
2 Small Lasers           RT        2        1       1.0   
Double Heat Sink         RT        3        -       1.0   
Double Heat Sink         LT        3        -       1.0   
2 Jump Jets              RL        2        -       1.0   
2 Jump Jets              LL        2        -       1.0   
Jump Jet                 RT        1        -       0.5   
Jump Jet                 LT        1        -       0.5   
Last of my ideas just need to fluff them out now
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #000: Other Clanbusters
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2020, 07:08:44 PM »
The Chameleon is a good one that hits on the Vlar 300 XL Engine stockpile storyline to pull off.
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #000: Other Clanbusters
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2020, 01:34:12 PM »
Well this challenge was as successful as concrete warships. Never got around to fluffing them will save the designs for future challenges of said battlemechs
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #000: Other Clanbusters
« Reply #14 on: February 29, 2020, 08:12:21 AM »
Yeah it seems that no one was really pulled in by this one which is a shame. I will keep it opened though as I may just throw some designs in especially as the kickstarter comes closer and closer. Maybe more interest in the battle then.
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