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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #001: Best Large Pulse Laser Platform
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2019, 06:36:54 AM »
The Durendal is definitely opposite thinking for the Large Pulse Laser concept. Big and slow if it gets the Clans to fight where it desires than you certainly have something but its sort of a one trick pony. Lets say you get your wish and the Clans fight you in a city setting. The Hatchet is a dishonorable physical weapon to them not to mention if they lose or even come close to losing their gonna cry about it and never want to fight one of these things fair ever again. Plus you get into a ranged fight and your dead. I hear ya the Large Pulse is short ranged, and your right this does belong here. Is this a more effective weapons platform than a smaller faster Mech though?

Not bad Abele with those Lancelot mods. The first one is a bit much though with 4 Large Pulses and only 28 Heat Sinked so your too far gone on the overheat scale for me. The second one is more practical and meets my first design in terms of speed with Large Pulses. Would you rather have this 60 tonner or my original 35?

I was playing with an 80 tonner last night with a 400 XL Engine, 16 Double Heat Sinks, max armor, EndoSteel, which was armed with three Large Pulse Lasers. Fast but I don't know if a 27 point hitting assault Mech is really worth it??
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #001: Best Large Pulse Laser Platform
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2019, 08:10:55 AM »
Quote from: Takiro on October 22, 2019, 06:36:54 AM
The Durendal is definitely opposite thinking for the Large Pulse Laser concept. Big and slow if it gets the Clans to fight where it desires than you certainly have something but its sort of a one trick pony. Lets say you get your wish and the Clans fight you in a city setting. The Hatchet is a dishonorable physical weapon to them not to mention if they lose or even come close to losing their gonna cry about it and never want to fight one of these things fair ever again. Plus you get into a ranged fight and your dead. I hear ya the Large Pulse is short ranged, and your right this does belong here. Is this a more effective weapons platform than a smaller faster Mech though?


The Durendal is definitely a one trick pony- I admitted that in the fluff.  That said if the Comstar forces honor the Batchall - i.e. declare their actual forces- I am not sure how the Clans would respond to getting torn up by the Durendal.  I don't think using a physical attack is enough to get the Clans to give up the Batchall or fight all out. 

That said I don't know if this is more effective then a faster mech.  I can see the Durendal being assigned to dedicated Urban defense units- much like the idea behind the Urbanmech or Hatchetman.  On an open battlefield this design is toast. 
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #001: Best Large Pulse Laser Platform
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2019, 10:20:38 AM »
As the ComGuards forces rebuild following the singularly largest battle in recent history. Many of their more advanced designs are being removed from protective details and moved into the armies rearming and training on Tukayyid. Purchasing, trading and removing from mothballs many designs. The ComGuards have designated two designs as pacifiers. Removing the ballistic weapons commonly seen on both the Hunchback and Urbanmech and instead upgrading with them with their large stockpile of Large Pulse Lasers.

Hunchback HBK-5CS

Code: [Select]
Mass: 50 tons
Chassis: Standard Biped
Power Plant: 200 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Jump Jets: Standard
     Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 Small Laser
     2 Medium Laser
     2 Large Pulse Laser

Cost: 3,860,875 C-bills

Type: Hunchback
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 1,192

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    5
Engine                        200 Fusion            8.5
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 4
Double Heat Sink              13 [26]                 3
Gyro                                                  2
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor                  160                    10

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            16        26   
     Center Torso (rear)               5     
     R/L Torso               12        20   
     R/L Torso (rear)                  4     
     R/L Arm                 8         16   
     R/L Leg                 12        20   


Right Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm, Lower Arm, Hand
Left Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm, Lower Arm, Hand

Weapons
and Ammo               Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage
2 Large Pulse Lasers      RT        4        10      14.0 
Medium Laser              RA        1        3       1.0   
Medium Laser              LA        1        3       1.0   
Small Laser               CT        1        1       0.5   
2 Double Heat Sinks       RT        6        -       2.0   
3 Double Heat Sinks       LT        9        -       3.0   
2 Jump Jets               RL        2        -       1.0   
2 Jump Jets               LL        2        -       1.0      


UrbanMech UM-CS59

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Mass: 30 tons
Chassis: Standard Biped
Power Plant: 60 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 21.6 kph
Maximum Speed: 32.4 kph
Jump Jets: Standard
     Jump Capacity: 60 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     2 Large Pulse Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3050
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-D-D
Cost: 1,732,900 C-bills

Type: UrbanMech
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Tonnage: 30
Battle Value: 625

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                    3
Engine                        60 Fusion             1.5
Walking MP: 2
Running MP: 3
Jumping MP: 2
Double Heat Sink              10 [20]                 0
Gyro                                                  1
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor                  105                   6.5

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            10        15   
     Center Torso (rear)               5     
     R/L Torso               7         11   
     R/L Torso (rear)                  3     
     R/L Arm                 5         10   
     R/L Leg                 7         14   


Right Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm
Left Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm

Weapons
and Ammo              Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage
Large Pulse Laser        LT        2        10      7.0   
Large Pulse Laser        RA        2        10      7.0   
2 Jump Jets              CT        2        -       1.0   
4 Double Heat Sinks      RT        12       -       4.0   
3 Double Heat Sinks      LT        9        -       3.0   
Double Heat Sink         RA        3        -       1.0      

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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #001: Best Large Pulse Laser Platform
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2019, 04:04:47 PM »
Well the Large Pulse Laser would definitely have applications in an urban environment. It is pretty impressive to note that a direct shot from an Large Pulse will not even penetrate the armor of an Elemental. They would be an unholy terror against standard infantry and conventional armor though perhaps reducing collateral damage to the surrounding area.

Your Hunchback and UrbanMech (not yet on that design gang) are nice accomplices to the Durendal if ComStar goes all city fighter Bradshaw. You just need a Heavy Mech to run all the weight classes. The UrbanMech (and to a lesser extent the Hunchback) is almost the exact opposite of my original Pulsator concept. Do you think speed isn't that important when trying to use these weapons??
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #001: Best Large Pulse Laser Platform
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2019, 09:44:57 PM »
Quote from: Takiro on October 23, 2019, 04:04:47 PM
Do you think speed isn't that important when trying to use these weapons??

I think it depends on how you plan to deploy the mech.  If you want to use it in open territory then speed is more important.  If the mech is designed to fight in a city then it is less important.
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #001: Best Large Pulse Laser Platform
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2019, 11:21:29 PM »
Quote from: lrose on October 23, 2019, 09:44:57 PM
Quote from: Takiro on October 23, 2019, 04:04:47 PM
Do you think speed isn't that important when trying to use these weapons??

I think it depends on how you plan to deploy the mech.  If you want to use it in open territory then speed is more important.  If the mech is designed to fight in a city then it is less important.

Exactly normally I would want speed to get within range but these designs are built to sit around hpgs and protect targets. At most pacify rowdy mobs and bandits
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #001: Best Large Pulse Laser Platform
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2019, 06:05:10 AM »
Alrighty then, are there any other concepts for the InnerSphere Large Pulse? Uses we have overlooked? Platforms to be considered?
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #001: Best Large Pulse Laser Platform
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2019, 12:08:17 AM »
Quote from: Takiro on October 25, 2019, 06:05:10 AM
Alrighty then, are there any other concepts for the InnerSphere Large Pulse? Uses we have overlooked? Platforms to be considered?

Just wanted to bump this again to see if we have any other concepts in the wings. Still grading the Spiders which may get some major work done tomorrow. Remember comments and entries are all welcomed here!
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #001: Best Large Pulse Laser Platform
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2019, 09:41:35 AM »
Got a few ideas just haven't sat down and flushed them out yet
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #001: Best Large Pulse Laser Platform
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2019, 10:47:42 AM »
A variant seen in testing alongside its sister variant the 115. This variant stays true to the original weapon load of the 114. Instead it replaces the traditional Large Laser with a Pulse variant for an increased accuracy in its dogfighting scenarios. Due to the increased load in the nose the designers have split the LRM 10 into 2 separate LRM 5 systems and moved them into the designs wings. To make up for the increase in weapon tonnage a ton of armor was dropped but replaced by Ferro-Aluminum to maintain its armor coverage.

Zero ZRO-115b

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Mass: 35 tons
Frame: Unknown
Power Plant: 140 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 64.8 kph
Maximum Speed: 97.2 kph
Armor: Ferro-Aluminum
Armament:
     1 Large Pulse Laser
     1 Medium Laser
     2 LRM 5

Cost: 1,783,670 C-bills
Battle Value: 871

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        140 Fusion              5
Safe Thrust: 6
Max Thrust: 9
Structural Integrity:         6                       
Heat Sinks:                   10 [20]                 0
Fuel:                         400                   5.0
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Ferro)          161                     9

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                    49   
     Wings                 40/40   
     Aft                     32   


Weapons
and Ammo              Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV
Large Pulse Laser       NOS       7.0      10     9    9    0    0 
Medium Laser            NOS       1.0      3      5    0    0    0 
LRM 5                   RWG       2.0      2      3    3    3    0 
LRM 5 Ammo (24)         FSLG      1.0      -      -    -    -    - 
LRM 5                   LWG       2.0      2      3    3    3    0 

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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #001: Best Large Pulse Laser Platform
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2019, 11:20:54 AM »
Last for me unless inspiration strikes.

Seldom talked about is the massive losses suffered on Tukayyid by Comstars conventional fighter forces. Taking a design from the Terran Hegemony database and upgrading it with modern day technologies has brought back the infantryman's favorite friend the ground support conventional fighter the Warthog. Armed with a Large Pulse Laser to mow down apposing infantry. The design is armed with twin LRM 5's for engaging opposing fighters or other targets at long ranges. If those aren't sufficient to do the job twin SRM 4s loaded with inferno rounds will literally rain down the fire upon opponents heads.


Warthog A-20

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Mass: 50 tons
Frame: Unknown
Power Plant: 200 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 Large Pulse Laser
     2 LRM 5
     2 SRM 4
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3050
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-D-D
Cost: 1,846,708 C-bills

Type: Warthog
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Tonnage: 50
Battle Value: 529

Equipment                                          Mass
Engine                        200 Fusion             13
Safe Thrust: 4
Max Thrust: 6
Structural Integrity:         0                       
Heat Sinks:                   0                       0
Fuel:                         960                   6.0
Cockpit                                               5
Armor Factor                  50                    3.5

                           Armor   
                           Value   
     Nose                    16   
     Wings                 12/12   
     Aft                     10   


Weapons
and Ammo              Location   Tonnage  Heat   SRV  MRV  LRV  ERV
Large Pulse Laser       NOS       7.0      10     9    9    0    0 
LRM 5                   RWG       2.0      2      3    3    3    0 
LRM 5                   LWG       2.0      2      3    3    3    0 
SRM 4                   RWG       2.0      3      4    0    0    0 
SRM 4                   LWG       2.0      3      4    0    0    0 
Recon Camera            RWG       0.5      -      -    -    -    - 
Recon Camera            LWG       0.5      -      -    -    -    - 
LRM 5 Ammo (48)         FSLG      2.0      -      -    -    -    - 
ECM Suite               FSLG      1.5      -      -    -    -    - 
SRM 4 Ammo Inferno (50)         FSLG      2.0      -      -    -    -    - 
TAG                    NOS       1.0     
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #001: Best Large Pulse Laser Platform
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #001: Best Large Pulse Laser Platform
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2019, 07:48:00 PM »
First off, love the ComStar picture. Where did you find that?

I figured you were going to give me a strafing machine and that may have its place here but I found your Warthog a tad bit too slow. Also does the ComGuard even use conventional fighters? It is an interesting concept.

Your Zero is a better option in my opinion.
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #001: Best Large Pulse Laser Platform
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2019, 10:08:27 PM »
Warthog is a slow plane. But Yeah after it was done not 100 percent happy with it. Picture was made by a guy on Facebook page all he did was change the robe to white and superimposed the costar logo on it. Wanted to show it but not create new thread so thought humorous to put here.
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Re: ComStar Advanced Concepts #001: Best Large Pulse Laser Platform
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2019, 08:21:56 PM »
Good pic bud, might use it in a fanbook.

Any other ideas folks??

How about this newer canon design??

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