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Perhaps the first Elemental?
« on: February 20, 2010, 09:12:37 PM »

wolfcannon Perhaps the first Elemental? « on: September 23, 2006, 04:52:38 PM »

Perhaps the first Elemental?

Star League trooper in Empire Class powered
Armor with DuSak 150 laser rifle, circa 2750
Originally appeared in Stardate magazine vol 3 number 4

Takiro Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #1 on: September 23, 2006, 11:25:12 PM »

Hmm, very interesting. The Nighthawk is the only canon SL battlearmor perhaps this could have been another prototype. Any fluff?

wolfcannon Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #2 on: September 23, 2006, 11:32:12 PM »

ask Irose he said he has some of the magazines, i just posted it here of the defunct losttech website, btw i found it in the web archive.

lrose Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #3 on: September 23, 2006, 11:57:06 PM »

I don't have that issue of Star Drive- just the one with the mini-mechs

Takiro Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #4 on: September 24, 2006, 12:10:24 AM »

darn, I'd like to get more info

wolfcannon Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #5 on: September 24, 2006, 12:24:28 AM »

me too.  looks really cool.  i would say its at least a medium weight class for power armor, targeting system/w built in HUD system, hydrallic lines and a possible cooling jacket connection.

Walegrin Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #6 on: September 24, 2006, 12:25:14 AM »

Quote from: Takiro on September 24, 2006, 12:10:24 AM
darn, I'd like to get more info

Me too.  Though I've always looked to some of the 'hard-shell' deep diving suits for possible elemental/powered armor inspiration.

Walegrin Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #7 on: September 24, 2006, 12:42:41 AM »

Did a bit of quick google searching and couldn't find anything other than a few assorted wikipedia articles about the magazine as a whole. Sad

MechRat Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #8 on: September 24, 2006, 12:49:20 AM »

I've got the issue. It's called "Empire Class Heavy Infantry Armor" (ECHIA). If there's no objection or copyright infringement, I can scan the article and post it. Otherwise I will re-type it in a post. Let me know.

Walegrin Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #9 on: September 24, 2006, 12:53:49 AM »

*drools*  Pretty please?

I wish I had the older 'tech related mags.  Though I am happy with my assorted MFNA mags and most of the old 'Future Wars' run.

And welcome to Shattered Dawn Mechrat!

MechRat Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #10 on: September 24, 2006, 01:00:27 AM »

Thanks for the welcome!
I have most of the StarDrive/StarDate issues (that I know of) and I think all but two of the BattleTechnology magazines. I can't scan it tonight, it's getting late (1:00am) here and I've got to sign off and get some sleep soon. I can have it done by Tuesday at the latest. I just need to know how to upload the file. (With Takiro's permission, of course...  Grin)

wolfcannon Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #11 on: September 24, 2006, 07:17:23 AM »

im sure that Takiro wouldnt mind   Shocked  damn i would so like to see that.

Takiro Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #12 on: September 24, 2006, 08:10:15 AM »

I'd love to see it MechRat and welcome aboard. Permission is certainly granted if you'd like to post it here. We all know where it is from so credit isn't a problem.

As for uploading the file, retyping it is probably the best way. So if you'd like to do it or send it via e-mail to me or another willing we can type it up. I would appreciate a look at this interesting design.

And welcome aboard there MechRat. Good to have you.

wolfcannon Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #13 on: September 24, 2006, 08:14:14 AM »

hey mechrat could you say upload the pictures to most of these mechs that are in the stardrive mags?

Knightmare Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #14 on: September 24, 2006, 09:18:11 AM »

Quote from: MechRat on September 24, 2006, 01:00:27 AM
Thanks for the welcome!
I have most of the StarDrive/StarDate issues (that I know of) and I think all but two of the BattleTechnology magazines. I can't scan it tonight, it's getting late (1:00am) here and I've got to sign off and get some sleep soon. I can have it done by Tuesday at the latest. I just need to know how to upload the file. (With Takiro's permission, of course...  Grin)

Hi Mechrat,

No worries on the copyright. You're neither attempting to make profit from the scan, nor attempting to claim the work as your own. You're scanning for informational purposes only. Feel free to post the information, or send to e-mail it.
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Re: Perhaps the first Elemental?
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2010, 09:17:39 PM »

MechRat Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #15 on: September 24, 2006, 11:29:46 AM »

Profit?? Oh man, I totally forgot about that!! Well, there goes my plan for world economic domniation through the illegal sale of old BT documents... (just kidding  Grin)

wolfcannon: No problem. I'll scan all the Mech pictures in the issues that I have. Give me a little bit of time - maybe a week or so.

Takiro: Thanks for the welcome! Retyping the article is OK with me, but how would I upload the scanned pictures?

wolfcannon Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #16 on: September 24, 2006, 11:44:12 AM »

thanks the only pic i have is of the junior, the rest didnt download.

Takiro Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #17 on: September 24, 2006, 01:14:29 PM »

I geuss MechRat we will have to with attachment here. Just click on Additional Options.....

And you should see the attachment box.

Or you'd like send it to me via e-mail, digitdoger@aol.com, and I'll do my best to post it.

MechRat Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #18 on: September 24, 2006, 09:37:17 PM »

No problem... 128Kb - looks like I'll have to keep it somewhat small. What is the best format - .jpg, .tif, .bmp? I can also convert it to PDF if needed. I'll do a few test scans tomorrow at work and see what I get for resolution vs. file size.

I have the following issues: StarDate Volume 3, Numbers 2, 4, 5, StarDrive Volume 1, Number 1 as well as about 10 copies of BattleTechnology. The exact issues of those I will have to check later. What exactly do y'all need out of  the StarDate/Drive issues? Let me know and I'll do what I can...  Smiley

wolfcannon Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #19 on: September 24, 2006, 09:46:35 PM »

mechrat if you have any pics of the ultra lights that would help and pics of some of the other mechs that came from the star drive mags.   also if you have any of these

DVE-5B DEVASTATOR An upgraded demolisher that utilizes the original miniature's extra pieces.
its in this issue of BattleTechnology Issue 0102 (#2), October 3027
also the Wolfman Battlemech is in there.  i really need the pic.

SHILLELAGH Kurita medium missile tank.

PREDATOR Liao medium tracked tank killer.

SNIPER Self Propelled Mobile artillery and ammo vehicle.

VIKING Hydrofoil watercraft.(this i have but no pic)

QUICKSILVER A high-speed unarmed scout hover.

GREMLIN A wheeled armored car.

also any fluff on the power armor wouldnt hurt

Takiro Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #20 on: September 24, 2006, 09:49:15 PM »

JPEG works well but a PDF might be advisable. Everyone will just have to download it first to see rather than a JPEG.

First up I'd like to see more stuff on the Emperor.

Next the Devastator Tank if you got that one.

After that it is all gravy for me. It would be a cool little addition to our website to outline everything we could from these interesting mags. That could be a daunting task however and it depends how much you'd like to do.

I for one thank you for your current efforts and once again would like to say, welcome aboard!

Walegrin Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #21 on: September 24, 2006, 09:58:08 PM »

Quote from: Takiro on September 24, 2006, 09:49:15 PM
I for one thank you for your current efforts and once again would like to say, welcome aboard!

I'll second Takiro.

wolfcannon Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #22 on: September 24, 2006, 10:01:28 PM »

mechrat welcome to these boards and have fun while your here

MechRat Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #23 on: September 24, 2006, 10:16:27 PM »

OK - got the shopping list.  Smiley

Thanks again to all for the welcome.

Takiro: are you looking to upload all of the design articles (Mech, vehicle, Aero, etc.) from the magazines I have, or was there more?

I like what you've got going on here. I have to say though that I'm most familiar with the 3rd Succession War/3025 era. I will have to do some reading to understand what was happening in the canon timeline as well as designs that were available. That way I can better participate here. I do realize that you're venturing into non-canon area, but this will give me somewhere to start.

Does anyone have a "short list" of canon designs that were available during this time? This way I don't have to go reading through all the TROs to pick out each one. Also, are the designs in the magazines open for use here? I have a mercenary unit that I created a long time ago that I'd like to use here. I just want to get the fluff, Mechs, vehicles, etc. "historically accurate" Smiley And yes, I am a merc through and through... Anything is possible with time and money. It just depends on how much time and money you want to spend. (P.S.: see sig line below) Grin

Takiro Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #24 on: September 24, 2006, 11:17:41 PM »

Try this link we had in the 7th Design Challenge for vehicles of the time.

http://www.btshattereddawn.com/forums/index.php?topic=63.0

Walegrin just gave me this link might be helpful, thanks.

http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~lacasse/factionlist/

And here is a good file for Mechs.

Enjoy!
* BattleMech Design.doc (107 KB - downloaded 8 times.)

MechRat Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #25 on: September 25, 2006, 11:13:23 PM »

Takiro,

Thanks, got the file and it will help! Are we limited to posting SL era designs here? I've got a 3025 design I'd like to submit for general ha-has.

Takiro Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #26 on: September 25, 2006, 11:17:36 PM »

Go right ahead. You don't need permission from me. Can't wait to see it!

MechRat Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #27 on: September 25, 2006, 11:25:41 PM »

Great! What is the best way to post the design? I created it using either Drawing Board or Battlemech Designer, I can't remember, and I can't see the file right now because I'm on my Mac and the program is on my PC.

Takiro Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #28 on: September 25, 2006, 11:32:54 PM »

Well I reduced the file size but it is still way too big. 899 KBs. Maybe if we split it into three seperate pages.

Takiro Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #29 on: September 25, 2006, 11:36:10 PM »

No still too big. 333 KBs. Darn. Any ideas.
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Re: Perhaps the first Elemental?
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2010, 09:24:01 PM »

MechRat Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #30 on: September 25, 2006, 11:39:15 PM »


None right now. My brain is starting to shut down and I need to get some sleep. 5:00am comes much too soon.  Sad I'll re-scan it tomorrow at a lower resolution and send it later that night. Retyping articles and scanning the pictures seems to be a better route.

Takiro Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #31 on: September 25, 2006, 11:42:18 PM »

Me to I'll ask Knightmare to post this somewhere. I hate to do a lower res scan. This really looks great. Awesome job!

Takiro Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #32 on: September 28, 2006, 07:45:26 PM »

Wanted to get back to you about this guys. We are going to establish an archive page for these mags on our site with full credit torwards their original authors. If you have some copies and want to scan them we will put them up. How does that sound?  Wink More details to follow.  Grin

Walegrin Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #33 on: September 29, 2006, 01:25:54 AM »

Quote from: Takiro on September 28, 2006, 07:45:26 PM
Wanted to get back to you about this guys. We are going to establish an archive page for these mags on our site with full credit torwards their original authors. If you have some copies and want to scan them we will put them up. How does that sound?  Wink More details to follow.  Grin

Good plan there! Smiley

MechRat Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #34 on: September 29, 2006, 10:22:16 PM »

As long as proper credit is given for the authors, I'm all for it! I'll do what I can and scan my issues. It will take some time, but I think it will be worth it for all those who don't have access. I'll be looking for the guidelines for posting.

Takiro Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #35 on: September 29, 2006, 10:46:01 PM »

Yeah I think it will be the best way to go. Full credit shall certainly be given. They will be free downloads available to all those interested.

That is great MechRat. I don't want to volunteer anyone else but Irose and Wolfcannon have some old BT magazines. Perhaps they would be willing and able to help out.

How about we call this section the BattleTech Magazine Archive.

First off what Magazines do you guys have? Knowing that would greatly help in starting us on this project.

For my part I have some old MechForce magazines.

MechRat Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #36 on: September 29, 2006, 11:05:06 PM »

I have BattleTechnology and StarDate/StarDrive magazines. I previously posted the StarDate/Drive issues I have and I will review what BT issues I have and post them here. Are we intending to scan and post the issues as a whole, or just specific articles. In the StarDate/Drive magazines, only a portion is devoted to BT.

The section name is fine by me...

Takiro Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #37 on: September 29, 2006, 11:08:04 PM »

Well we are a BattleTech site so probably just the BT stuff from StarDate/Drive issues unless someone else has an objection.

lrose Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #38 on: September 30, 2006, 05:45:59 AM »

I have complete run of Battletechnology plus the Star Drive issue with the Ultra Lights and the Space Gamer issue with the Cestus.  I think Takiro has the copy of the Cestus article that I scanned in.  If not I still have it around here somewhere.

MechRat Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #39 on: September 30, 2006, 07:11:41 AM »

Quote from: lrose on September 30, 2006, 05:45:59 AM
I have complete run of Battletechnology plus the Star Drive issue with the Ultra Lights and the Space Gamer issue with the Cestus.  I think Takiro has the copy of the Cestus article that I scanned in.  If not I still have it around here somewhere.

Hmmm, based on this, it would be redundant if I tried to scan my BT issues. For now I'll concentrate on my Star Drive issues until I hear otherwise.

wolfcannon Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #40 on: September 30, 2006, 04:55:06 PM »

Sounds good to me mechrat   Smiley

wolfcannon Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #41 on: February 25, 2007, 02:18:42 AM »

did anyone ever find the article on this?

Takiro Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #42 on: February 25, 2007, 12:35:07 PM »

Yeah I believe MechRat e-mailed it to me but it is too large to post. I'll e-mail you what I got.

MechRat Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #43 on: February 25, 2007, 04:23:18 PM »

Takiro,

If you can't find it, I still have my copy.  Wolfcannon, I can email it to you if need be.


wolfcannon Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #44 on: February 26, 2007, 07:32:01 AM »

cool thanks
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Re: Perhaps the first Elemental?
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MechRat Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #45 on: February 27, 2007, 12:02:36 PM »

Wolfcannon,

Did you get the file from Takiro? Everything OK?

Takiro Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #46 on: February 27, 2007, 04:25:13 PM »

I did send it.

MechRat Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #47 on: February 27, 2007, 04:27:16 PM »

Excellent.
Thanks Takiro.

wolfcannon Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #48 on: February 28, 2007, 08:21:40 PM »

yes got.  trying to compress it to fit here
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wolfcannon Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #49, #50, &  on: March 04, 2007, 10:13:49 AM »



i hope this works



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 here is all three armor suites.    hope you enjoy.
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Takiro Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #52 on: March 04, 2007, 11:35:34 AM »

Nice job fitting all of that. Smiley For those who want to read the article (if you can't read the text) just PM and I'll e-mail it to you.  Wink Thanks Wolfcannon.

wolfcannon Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #53 on: March 04, 2007, 09:25:50 PM »

a pleasure Takiro  Grin

wolfcannon Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #54 on: April 14, 2009, 12:20:08 PM »

Code:

Body Armor
A necessary addition for modern infantry
StarDate 3/4 
 
 On today's modern battlefield an infantry man without body armor is as vulnerable as a turtle without a shell. With lasers, phased pulse weapons and rapid fire solid projectile weapons infantrymen must have some form of protection against shrapnel and aimed fire. The following profiles will detail three forms of infantry armor in use today.

Infantry Armor Type    Damage Divisor       Tech (Rating)     Availability        Introduced (Date)      Cost (C-Bills, each)

Nine Lives Mk. III        1                Both (D)           B-C-B               2305                       800*
Phoenix LSA               2                IS (D)              X-E-E               3020                    40,000**
Emperor Class            3E               IS (E)               E-F-F               2745                     100,000

* identical to Ablative/Flak, standard, TacOps, p. 317
** has identical Infantry Stealth Modifiers as Sneak Suit, Camo, TacOps, p. 318

wolfcannon Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #55 on: April 14, 2009, 12:53:43 PM »

Nine Lives Mk. III light personal armor
StarDate 3/4


This armor is among the most common found in use today. The trooper in the profile is shown without the light headcover that is normally used. As is obvious, this light protective suit is designed to be used in combat that is being carried out in a friendly atmospheric medium. The armor is built out of layers of Kevlar, boron fiber, titanium mesh and ceramic. The entire suit weighs approximately 14 kilos without helmet and boots.

The boots seen in this illustration are built by Dexter B.A. They are able to provide protection in most infantry combat situations and this specific pair is designed for use in rocky terrain. The boots weigh 2.2 kilos.

The trooper seen here is equipped with a Cerian M-28 phased pulse rifle in the 52 watt range. The rifle uses a rechargeable burst pack that allows for almost 6 full hours of combat. The power pack can be seen on the trooper's left thigh. The rifle weighs 9.1 kilos. The power pack weighs 2.0 kilos.

The sidearm shown is an HK OTM 11 mm autoloader. The magazine carries 18 rounds and weighs 4 kilos.

The illustration also shows that the trooper is equipped with a Zeiss image enhancer which is housed on the forward portion of the right thigh. The optics weigh 9 kilograms.

Mech Warrior:   Reduces damage by 1/2 all damage from slug
throwing weapons and stops 1 point of energy weapon damage.
Absorbs 30 points of damage and protects the torso and limbs.

wolfcannon Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #56 on: April 14, 2009, 12:59:18 PM »

Phoenix LSA (Light Scout Armor)
StarDate 3/4

The second illustration shows a suit of the now infamous Phoenix LSA (Light Scout Armor). This armor, in this color scheme, was used when Kevins 2nd Assault Commando exterminated the population on Thompsons Haven. The illustration here was made from a set of security photographs that were taken when the troopers assaulted the hospital.

Phoenix designed this armor specifically for use by assault forces who have to have maximum mobility but still want the protection offered by body armor. The original design was taken from work forwarded by Sternhaven Mesky. As with other Mesky designs, this one seems to have been adopted by every outlaw group and rebel mercenary outfit in space. While not produced in great numbers (the armor has to be grown from a culture vat, hence the low production and high cost), the LSA suits are well liked by all who use them.

During a recent interview, Col. Galt of Galt's Grenadiers was asked why he had expended so much of his recent income on advanced body armor for his infantry troopers instead of replacement parts for his 'Mechs.

Galt's reply, “Mechs are only as good as their support. Would you want to be runnin' around in a fire fight with body armor that is second rate and hot ta boot? I want my men, all of em, to come out of battle like they went in, alive!"

This unique armor is a living organism, composed of vat grown ceramics and quartz crystal. Additionally, the armor has two unique abilities. The first is the ability to work out armor camouflage in the same manner as a chameleon. The second is the ability to diffuse and deflect laser fire.

The inherent cammo capabilities that are grown in allow troopers to move quickly through either urban or jungle terrain with almost perfect cover. The only areas where this armor is ineffective is in either all white (as seen in the drawing, this trooper is standing in a white hospital corridor) or all black, such as is found in deep space. When either of these conditions is found the suit appears as it does in the illustration.

The laser protection capability is not yet understood. What appears to happen is that the suit absorbs the beam and returns the coherent light as a massive diffused light flash. In essence, a soldier hit by a laser burst becomes a human flashbulb. For this reason, all soldiers working with or in close proximity with LSA equipped troops are required to wear blackout goggles, such as those the soldier illustrated is wearing.

In our illustration the soldier has removed his rangefinding/amplification set from his helmet and has stored his R/A set in a chest pouch. These clip-on R/A sets weigh .30 kilos.

His primary weapon is a Majik M11B1, commonly known as a Streetsweeper. This shrapnel firing weapon is found in units assigned to urban control and containment. The Model B1 is able to fire 40 flechette rounds per magazine, with each round carrying 50-70 hypervelocity flechettes. This weapon, like most solid projectile weapons, weighs only 3.1 kilos.

The sidearm the trooper is carrying is a Morgan Anns laser. This light sidearm is used mostly by scouts because of its ability to confuse the targeting systems on most 'Mechs. The Morgan laser weighs 4.21 kilos.

This suit of body armor, as illustrated, weighs 19.225 kilograms. This means that this trooper, who is wearing full armor, is carrying 26.83 kilograms of equipment.

Mech Warrior:   Reduces by 1/2 all damage taken from slug
throwing weapons and stops 5 points of energy weapon dam-
age.  Absorbs 30 points of physical damage and is not affected
by energy weapons damage.  It protect the entire body.

wolfcannon Re: Perhaps the first Elemental? « Reply #57 on: April 14, 2009, 01:05:09 PM »

Emperor Class Heavy Infantry Armor (ECHIA)
StarDate 3/4

Designed and manufactured during the last 20 years of the Star League, ECHIA has come to be known as the standard against which all other armor is measured. This fighting suit is the finest enhanced armor ever built, and of course, the price of a functioning suit of ECHIA runs in excess of most medium 'mechs.

GS engineers and technicians designed these fighting suits to be next generation of armored fighting craft. The ECHIA came in three different designs including the Command, Recon, and Trooper models. Our illustration shows a Trooper model. This 1 ton fighting suit functions along the same lines as the Caterpillar F-11 cargo lift, with the exception of the auto gyros which enable the fighting suit to propel the user across the battlefield at speeds in excess of 30 kmph. (Note: Very few of these armored fighting suits exist. In fact, no Command suits are known to remain in working order and only 2 Recon suits are known to exist. Of the 2000 Trooper models built, about 10 remain, these being scattered among existing units.)

The armor on this Trooper has been recharged, giving it the full protection offered by the polished titanium armor covered by 1 em. reactive units. The Eugenics 2000 laser rifle is powered off the reactor mounted in the rear of the suit.

In addition to the laser, the Trooper model offers the occupant manual control of the reactive armor for use against direct infantry assaults. This means that the person wearing this armor can decide to blow off some of the covering reactive armor, which creates a storm of ceramic shrapnel.

And if it comes down to it, the operator can use almost anything as a weapon, either throwing the object or using it like a club. These objects can weigh up to 700 lb. If you grab hold of anything that weighs more than this, the suit becomes unstable.

Mech Warrior: Reduces by 3/4 all damage taken from slug
throwing weapons and stops 3 points of energy weapons dam-
age.  It protects the entire body.   Adds +5 MP's to any move-
ment on foot.  Has 4 heats sinks-use BattleTech heat scale.
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