Topic: FX-1 Fox Quad Mech (Read 601 times)

JPArbiter · « **on:** July 12, 2013, 10:20:24 AM »

High Test and I have two Competing ideals for a Light Quad for our Elysium Universe. It really boils down to his uses all standard tech (with the exception of a Light PPC and a Quad Turret) meanwhile I use Endo Steel and Double Heat sinks to get a little more kick out of an engine. so we are putting it up to the masses. Is the extra point of MP worth the increase in C Bills and Battle Value?

High Tests Design

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Fox FX-1

Mass: 25 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Quad
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 1,964,583 C-Bills
Battle Value: 757

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 175 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 75.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 118.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Light PPC
    2  Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      47 points                2.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                175                       7.00
    Walking MP: 7
    Running MP: 11
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 FRL, 1 RLL, 1 RRL
Gyro:               Standard                                               2.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: H+UL+LL+F    R: H+UL+LL+F
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  80                  5.00

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     8            11        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  4         
                                           L/R Torso     6            9         
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  3         
                                       L/R Front Leg     6            8         
                                        L/R Rear Leg     6            8         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 (T) Medium Lasers                          LT        6         2         2.00
(T) Light PPC                                LT        5         2         3.00
Quad Mech Turret                             LT        -         1         0.50
                                            Free Critical Slots: 27

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Fox FX-1E

Mass: 25 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Quad
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Dark Ages
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E
Production Year: 3132
Cost: 2,122,917 C-Bills
Battle Value: 756

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 200 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 86.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 129.6 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Light PPC
    1  Medium Laser
    1  TAG
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    47 points                1.50
    Internal Locations: 2 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 FLL, 2 FRL, 2 RLL, 2 RRL
Engine:             Fusion Engine                200                       8.50
    Walking MP: 8
    Running MP: 12
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               2.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: H+UL+LL+F    R: H+UL+LL+F
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  72                  4.50

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            8         
                                        Center Torso     8            8         
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  4         
                                           L/R Torso     6            8         
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  2         
                                       L/R Front Leg     6            8         
                                        L/R Rear Leg     6            8         

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(T) Medium Laser                          RT        3         1         1.00
(T) TAG                                        RT        -         1        1.00
(T) Light PPC                                RT        5         2         3.00
Quad Mech Turret                             RT        -         1         0.50
                                            Free Critical Slots: 10

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      2    Points: 8
8          2       2       1       0      1     0   Structure:  2
Special Abilities: ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

ATN082268 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 15, 2013, 06:13:29 AM »

Quote from: JPArbiter on July 12, 2013, 10:20:24 AM

High Test and I have two Competing ideals for a Light Quad for our Elysium Universe. It really boils down to his uses all standard tech (with the exception of a Light PPC and a Quad Turret) meanwhile I use Endo Steel and Double Heat sinks to get a little more kick out of an engine. so we are putting it up to the masses. Is the extra point of MP worth the increase in C Bills and Battle Value?

High Tests Design

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Fox FX-1 Mass: 25 tons Tech Base: Inner Sphere Chassis Config: Quad Rules Level: Experimental Tech Era: Clan Invasion Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E Production Year: 3070 Cost: 1,964,583 C-Bills Battle Value: 757 Chassis: Unknown Standard Power Plant: Unknown 175 Fusion Engine Walking Speed: 75.6 km/h Maximum Speed: 118.8 km/h Jump Jets: None Jump Capacity: 0 meters Armor: Unknown Standard Armor Armament: 1 Light PPC 2 Medium Lasers Manufacturer: Unknown Primary Factory: Unknown Communications System: Unknown Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown ================================================================================ Equipment Type Rating Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Structure: Standard 47 points 2.50 Engine: Fusion Engine 175 7.00 Walking MP: 7 Running MP: 11 Jumping MP: 0 Heat Sinks: Single Heat Sink 10 0.00 Heat Sink Locations: 1 FRL, 1 RLL, 1 RRL Gyro: Standard 2.00 Cockpit: Standard 3.00 Actuators: L: H+UL+LL+F R: H+UL+LL+F Armor: Standard Armor AV - 80 5.00 Internal Armor Structure Factor Head 3 9 Center Torso 8 11 Center Torso (rear) 4 L/R Torso 6 9 L/R Torso (rear) 3 L/R Front Leg 6 8 L/R Rear Leg 6 8 ================================================================================ Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 (T) Medium Lasers LT 6 2 2.00 (T) Light PPC LT 5 2 3.00 Quad Mech Turret LT - 1 0.50 Free Critical Slots: 27
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Fox FX-1E Mass: 25 tons Tech Base: Inner Sphere Chassis Config: Quad Rules Level: Experimental Tech Era: Dark Ages Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E Production Year: 3132 Cost: 2,122,917 C-Bills Battle Value: 756 Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel Power Plant: Unknown 200 Fusion Engine Walking Speed: 86.4 km/h Maximum Speed: 129.6 km/h Jump Jets: None Jump Capacity: 0 meters Armor: Unknown Standard Armor Armament: 1 Light PPC 1 Medium Laser 1 TAG Manufacturer: Unknown Primary Factory: Unknown Communications System: Unknown Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown ================================================================================ Equipment Type Rating Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Structure: Endo-Steel 47 points 1.50 Internal Locations: 2 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 FLL, 2 FRL, 2 RLL, 2 RRL Engine: Fusion Engine 200 8.50 Walking MP: 8 Running MP: 12 Jumping MP: 0 Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 10(20) 0.00 Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT Gyro: Standard 2.00 Cockpit: Standard 3.00 Actuators: L: H+UL+LL+F R: H+UL+LL+F Armor: Standard Armor AV - 72 4.50 Internal Armor Structure Factor Head 3 8 Center Torso 8 8 Center Torso (rear) 4 L/R Torso 6 8 L/R Torso (rear) 2 L/R Front Leg 6 8 L/R Rear Leg 6 8 ================================================================================ Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (T) Medium Laser RT 3 1 1.00 (T) TAG RT - 1 1.00 (T) Light PPC RT 5 2 3.00 Quad Mech Turret RT - 1 0.50 Free Critical Slots: 10 BattleForce Statistics MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 2 Points: 8 8 2 2 1 0 1 0 Structure: 2 Special Abilities: ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

I don't think the difference in cost between the two designs is significant, so I'd say the extra speed is worth the extra cost. Although the 1E is faster, I think the Tag makes it more versatile. If you're going for just armor and firepower, the 1 has the 1E beat. From just a damage perspective, I'd pick the 1 over the 1E.

shwagpo · « **Reply #2 on:** July 15, 2013, 03:16:52 PM »

To be completely honest, I think a militia would have room for both models. The faster design with TAG would give artillery and missile carrying armor increased accuracy, however on the same note the slightly slower version packs an extra medium laser that gives it a little more direct engagement potential. I think it mostly depends on the terrain and supporting elements which one would be better equipped for the job.

In all honesty, what I would do, is endo steel on both, and see if the same engine could work, so they could deploy in tendem. This way, your support units have the opportunity to make their presence known while slightly increasing the damage potential with an added medium laser in the mix from a lancemate. I think if you went that route, the added expense of both the endo steel and bigger engine, in the end, would be worth the 250k c-bills each with them deploying as pairs. Keeping the speed profiles the same would be incredibly important in any engagement where the TAG has to do good work.

JPArbiter · « **Reply #3 on:** July 15, 2013, 11:21:21 PM »

I might write the FX-1 as an early production model to prove the frame and concept, and the 1E as the main production model.

XaosGorilla · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2013, 04:23:53 AM »

kinda comes down to a number of things.

1: Procurement, if you are ordering a relatively small number (say 20 or 30), the FX1E is faster, more upgradeable, higher tech, and only marginally more expensive. Unless you are on an extremely tight budget, it is probably the better choice. If however, you are ordering them by the thousands or tens of thousands, then that small per unit cost difference makes a difference... Doubt you are on a tight budget if you are ordering 5k to 15k though...

2: Intended operators. If this machine is intended for inexperienced drivers than the FX1E is again, the better choice. The DHS make it impossible to overheat the machine, and for most lights speed is life. As an aside, doesn't the -1MP due to heat also cause the running movement to be recalculated (or am I confusing my rule sets)? If so, then 7/11 -1 is 6/9. Such things can be important.

3: Production. Usually lower tech is easier to produce. Can be handy if your faction has either limited or vulnerable production facilities. Keep in mind that the most vulnerable process is the measure of how easily production (and possibly repair) can be disrupted.

4: Maintenance. How good are your techs, and the training system that produces them? If any guy who graduates from your states' tech school is fully capable of maintaining the FX1E, then that is probably the better option. If not, lower tech is usually easier to maintain...

5: Placed here because I'm sure I missed something.....

Interestingly, as a "What would I do?" exercise. I'd put the TAG on the FX1 in place of 1 ML, LPPC+ML=8 heat, add 2 for running (=10) and no overheat.

The FX1E has WAY more cooling, LPPC+(MLx2)=11 heat, add 2 for running (=13) still no overheat. Should we maybe put ERMLs in there (still only 15+2 heat)

If I could squeeze one more ton outta the 1E that would make me so happy (third ERML or TAG). Maybe a small cockpit? This though, starts to redesign the machine...

Hope that helps...

JPArbiter · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2013, 10:20:33 AM »

the EDF is a relativly small top heavy formation (our signature mechs are the Wolverine, Rampage, and a Custom 75 Ton Omnimech called the Lioness) consisting of a front line military of 16 combined brigades that are equipped with about 50 battlemechs, two support divisions that have a reinforced Regiment between them (a Combat Engineers Division and Artillery Division) and planetary Militas possessing about a reinforced company of mechs each. the Fox is decidedly a Low Capacity Operation, with about 1,000 ordered.

The Elysium Federation is designed to be the "High Tech" Deep Periphery State. Endo Steel, XL engines, and Double Heat sinks are easy. Some weapons tech is not developed due to cost and lack of solid use (for example Heavy Gauss Rifles Exotic LRM launchers, LBX and Ultra AC 2s, though we make RAC 2s). ER Lasers are on this list because Light PPCs and ERPPCs cover the range we need.

XaosGorilla · « **Reply #6 on:** July 17, 2013, 02:33:04 PM »

I was hoping to help you clarify your own thought process... You did however ask for an opinion, and I didn't really give you one. Apologies for that.

Seems to me that you are building a quality over quantity force while attempting to limit costs (bang for the buck). The more advanced FX1E while not maximized, is still better for this as it is more forgiving of a novices' mistakes. This helps keep both the machine and warrior in one piece. The extra cooling allows for other upgrades (or even lateral upgrades) as time goes on. Should the need and opportunity arise (say, captured enemy equipment) the stronger cooling system allows for more effective operation under such circumstances.

I would go with the FX1E, If I can afford to.

If not, I would instead put TAG on the FX1 in place of the second ML, and make that the standard issue Fox quad.

Hope that helped.

JPArbiter · « **Reply #7 on:** July 17, 2013, 09:19:40 PM »

no problem I thought you were digging for a little context.

bang for the buck is exactly what we are going for.

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