Topic: Optimizing the Crusader (Read 18956 times)

Ice Hellion · « **Reply #30 on:** April 19, 2021, 03:43:03 PM »

Quote from: Takiro on April 18, 2021, 09:58:51 AM

Inspired by this contest I just posted my refurbished IIC Clan version. It didn't quite fit here under the rules so I posted it in its own thread. Love to hear what you think!

https://www.ourbattletech.com/forum/index.php?topic=3999.0

Give me MML

fabulousorcboy · « **Reply #31 on:** April 19, 2021, 03:49:49 PM »

Agreed, MML is ideal for an LRM/SRM carrier like the Crusader, and the only MML Crusader (the 6M) is pretty substandard. A 3/5/5 speed and light PPCs instead of Medium Lasers? Ew.

Takiro · « **Reply #32 on:** April 20, 2021, 05:41:07 AM »

Yeah unfortunately MMLs are unavailable at this time.

Abele · « **Reply #33 on:** April 20, 2021, 07:19:40 PM »

Quote from: fabulousorcboy on April 19, 2021, 03:49:49 PM

Agreed, MML is ideal for an LRM/SRM carrier like the Crusader, and the only MML Crusader (the 6M) is pretty substandard. A 3/5/5 speed and light PPCs instead of Medium Lasers? Ew.

You mean something more like this

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Crusader CRD-6M2

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Production Year: 3074
Dry Cost: 11,813,450 C-Bills
Total Cost: 12,041,450 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,291

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 260 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor w/ CASE
Armament:
    4  MML-7s
    3  ER Medium Lasers
    1  Guardian ECM Suite
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     104 points                6.50
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             260                       7.00
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             12(24)                    2.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 192                 12.00
    CASE Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT                                             1.00

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           28        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  7         
                                           L/R Torso     15           23        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20        
                                             L/R Leg     15           25        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ER Medium Laser                              HD        5         1         1.00
Guardian ECM Suite                           CT        0         2         1.50
2 MML-7s                                     RA        8         8         9.00
ER Medium Laser                              RA        5         1         1.00
2 MML-7s                                     LA        8         8         9.00
ER Medium Laser                              LA        5         1         1.00
@MML-7 (LRM) (34)                            RT        -         2         2.00
@MML-7 (SRM) (28)                            RT        -         2         2.00
@MML-7 (LRM) (34)                            LT        -         2         2.00
@MML-7 (SRM) (28)                            LT        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 6

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 13
4          4       4       2       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: ECM, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, SRM 3/1/0, LRM 0/1/1, IF 1

fabulousorcboy · « **Reply #34 on:** April 21, 2021, 01:43:47 PM »

Sweet!

I might tweak it by dropping the ECM, side-grading the 4xMML7 to 3xMML9 and then add Artemis, and finally put all the ammo in a single torso to save on one 1/2ton CASE. That would let you upgrade to Artemis with the loss of just one double heat sink, and then we can compare ideal LRM/SRM load-outs (I prefer slightly more LRM tonnage, because only insane and suicidal folks would try to get close to an SRM-boat), but 17 LRM flights in a single game is plenty -- the ratio only matters in longer campaigns.

Takiro · « **Reply #35 on:** April 21, 2021, 03:18:36 PM »

Unfortunately gonna have to DQ that one but I see what you guys mean. MMLs are real Omni (Modular) Missile Launchers and that is cool stuff.

Takiro · « **Reply #36 on:** April 22, 2021, 04:56:50 PM »

Quote from: Takiro on April 11, 2021, 10:06:28 PM

Figure that all entries have to be completed and posted on these forums by Friday April 23rd 2021 by 11:59 PM which should give you all a full two weeks for this contest, good luck!!

Remember folks this contest ends tomorrow, only 31 hours left to go!

Ice Hellion · « **Reply #37 on:** April 22, 2021, 05:02:57 PM »

Quote from: Takiro on April 22, 2021, 04:56:50 PM

Quote from: Takiro on April 11, 2021, 10:06:28 PM
Figure that all entries have to be completed and posted on these forums by Friday April 23rd 2021 by 11:59 PM which should give you all a full two weeks for this contest, good luck!!

Remember folks this contest ends tomorrow, only 31 hours left to go!

I just finished my stuff.

Ice Hellion · « **Reply #38 on:** April 22, 2021, 05:04:32 PM »

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Welcome Michael, I am glad to welcome the 3048 Solaris Games Grand Champion and instructor, for those who can’t see a thing, of the Starlight Stables. I am sure that after the series of downs of 3040s and with you training them, they will get back to where they belong: the top.

Thanks Lucky. I am doing my best to ensure that and my boys are eager to get to the 3053 Solaris Games.

I have been told that you might have a few aces in your sleeves.

The secret is work hard, fight hard and play hard. We don’t need tools to beat those in front of us. It is the man in the machine that makes the difference.

That’s quite a motto you’ve got Michael. Is that the new one for the Starlight Stables? Before you answer me, let me tell you, we will be back after a short commercial break.

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So Michael, you were about to tell me everything about Starlight Stables and its dirty secrets, weren’t you?

We don’t have any, we are proud and honourable ‘MechWarriors.

You sound like a Kuritan Stable.

I challenge you to a ‘Mech duel for this insult.

Relax, relax. I am no ‘MechWarrior, I am just your host. So let’s get back to our main topic: the next season.
I have heard that a lot is going in the local ‘Mech industry. Did you hear the same?

Yes sure. With all the advanced technology available and all these veterans flooding from destroyed units, things are getting interesting with upgrades or new designs being rushed into production.

Our local industry has been known to be quite inventive, wouldn’t you agree Michael?
Hold on we will get back after a short break.

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Welcome back to Solaris Wrestling Entertainment, our weekly show to know everything about Solaris Games.
I am your host Lucky Iron and tonight I am with Michael Romney of Starlight Stables and we are talking about the Solarian ‘Mech industry.
This makes me think Michael, did you see the latest designs by Innovative Design Concepts? One of them made its stock rise by 10% as if the stock markets had seen something in it. I am talking about their customisation of the Crusader, the CRD-4IDC.

Yes but I am not sure if the stocks rose because of how good it is or because it packs only former Lyran Commonwealth weapons and systems.

Aren’t you a bit hard on it Michael?

Do you think so? They took a Crusader, a flexible ‘Mech and turned it into a pure close combat one.

But this was it was meant to do for the Star League when it was first designed, wasn’t it?

True Lucky but this is a bit too much. They dropped all long-range weapons and the machine guns and moved the SRM-6 to the arms. To that, they added in the left torso a beast with a Defiance 'Mech Hunter AC/20, each ammo weapons being tied to 2 tons of ammo shielded in CASE. They also reworked the cooling system replacing all the freezers by Double ones. But the real jewel is something else.

Please Michael, don’t make us wait too long.

They use a TSM to increase its strength and speed when it runs hot enough.

Before you go any further, let’s have a break.

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Now Michael, the question I wanted to ask you is whether or not this TSM thing is efficient. I have heard a lot of thing about it but is it really working at all or in this peculiar ‘Mech?

This is a tricky question. On a battlefield, I would say no as it doesn’t have enough ammo to keep its TSM active over long periods of time. In an arena, it is simply a matter of running and firing everything, something that can be done by almost any ‘MechWarrior. Hitting anything is something else.

I have heard that it is complicated to keep it active. How does it work here?

Simple just drop one Laser or one SRM-6. However the trick won’t work once you exhausted all your ammo for the AC/20. This is a ‘Mech suited for arena fights and nothing else.

Do you think it will work well this year?

In the hands of a capable ‘MechWarrior, it could do something but in most hands, it will be a call for disaster.

Well thanks Michael for sharing your thoughts with us and let me wish you good luck to Starlight Stables for next year.

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Solaris Gaming Retrospective 3053, a publication of Solaris Broadcasting Corporation
Even if Kagiso Itu was of Canopian origin, she and and her Tacit Ronin were part of the Oonthrax Stables. In 3053, she was just out of the Top 20, adding to the overall ranking of her stable. She displays a brutal approach to fighting and uses all or nothing tactics trying to end her fights as quickly as possible thanks to the sheer brutality of her CRD-4IDC Crusader.

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Crusader CRD-4IDC

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Production Year: 3052
Dry Cost: 7 207 310 C-Bills
Total Cost: 7 281 310 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1 614

Chassis: Crucis-B Standard
Power Plant: Magna 260 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 43,2 km/h (54,0 km/h)
Maximum Speed: 64,8 km/h (86,4 km/h)
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Riese-500 Standard Armor w/ CASE
Armament:
    1 Defiance Industries/Defiance 'Mech Hunter Autocannon/20
    2 TharHes Industries/TharHes Maxi SRM-6s
    2 TharHes Industries/Intek Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Innovative Design Concepts
    Primary Factory: Solaris VII
Communications System: Garret T11-b
Targeting and Tracking System: Garret A6

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     104 points                6,50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                260                      13,50
    Walking MP: 4 (5)
    Running MP: 6 (8)
    Jumping MP: 0 
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0,00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3,00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3,00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
    TSM Locations: 6 RT
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 192                 12,00
    CASE Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT                                             1,00

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           29        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     15           24        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     10           19        
                                             L/R Leg     15           24        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Autocannon/20                                LT        7         10       14,00
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1,00
SRM-6                                        RA        4         2         3,00
Medium Laser                                 LA        3         1         1,00
SRM-6                                        LA        4         2         3,00
@AC/20 (5)                                   RT        -         1         1,00
@SRM-6 (30)                                  RT        -         2         2,00
@AC/20 (5)                                   LT        -         1         1,00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 19

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 16
4          5       5       0       0      3     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: TSM, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, AC 2/2/0, SRM 2/2/0

Ice Hellion · « **Reply #39 on:** April 22, 2021, 05:05:36 PM »

Overview
TharHes Industries participated in the development of the CRD-4IDC by providing some systems and putting Innovative Designs Concepts into contact with other former Steiner companies. This was obvious from the start but also when it got the rights to produce another Crusader upgrade. This is how the CRD-4X1 was born, keeping the spirit of the arena fighter but turning it into a ‘Mech useful for military operations.

Capabilities
Thanks to the capacity to build things from the beginning, it was possible to use much more advanced technologies than in previous intents.
An Extra-Light Engine and an Endo-Steel chassis provides more than enough free weight to upgrade the weapons and to put a MASC to give the new Crusader more speed, one in par with lighter designs or Clan Heavy ‘Mechs, coupled with enough Jump Jets to move it 90 meters away.
The weapons were completely changed to go along the CRD-4IDC with an AC/20 backed up by 4 LRM-5 and 2 Medium Lasers split evenly into each arm. The ammo being put in the right torso shielded in a CASE.

The foreseen tactics was to soften up the target with the missiles before quickly closing in thanks to the MASC and destroying the selected ‘Mech with a few shots of the AC/20 and the Medium Lasers.

In a typical Steiner move, the different systems are manufactured by different companies, ensuring cooperation and prosperity through trade like what happened with the Wolfhound.

Battle History
The 2nd Crucis Lancers are adept at combat drops and used their expertise on raids against the Clans rear area. One such occasion was a raid on the Steel Viper occupied word of Twycross, famous for being the first place where Clans were defeated by Inner Sphere forces.
Using the cover of the Diabolis Sandstorm, the 2nd Crucis Lancers got on planet but was dispersed due to the harsh winds and had to begin a retreat towards a evacuation zone with Steel Viper forces getting close in.
This is when Leftenant Sithembile Umcizi decided to stay behind her men to cover their withdrawal, disobeying direct orders not to do so. She stayed in a pass of the Sharktooth Mountains asking for a fair fight. She managed to hold the pass for one hour taking out two Clan ‘Mechs before running out of ammo and being forced to withdraw thanks to the extra speed provided by her ‘Mech and the protection provided by the firepower of several DropShips taking off.

Variants
The CRD-4X2 reverses the paradigm of the CRD-4X1 by replacing the Defiance ‘Mech Hunter AC/20 by a Poland Main Model A Gauss Rifle. This turns the close combat fighter with some long range capacity (the CRD-4X1) to a more flexible design with more direct firepower and able to slowly snipe its opponents from afar.

Deployment
The two CRD-4X are being requested by different units eager to replace Victors by another ‘Mech or eager to protect their support units with a ‘Mech able to work along with them while having some heavy punch at closer ranges. Because of its success, TharHes Industries has troubles fulfilling all the orders.

Notable ‘MechWarriors
Hauptmann Sithembile Umcizi is the daughter of Miko Umcizi, former captain of the Alpha Company, 1st Battalion, 5th Crucis Lancers. Like her father before , she pilots a Crusader christened Shaka and decorated in traditional Zulu style. It is the hope of her superior officers that her recent promotion to Hauptmann in the 2nd Crucis Lancers will temper her a little after her duels on Twycross.

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Crusader CRD-4X1

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Production Year: 3052
Dry Cost: 12 725 900 C-Bills
Total Cost: 12 815 900 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1 637

Chassis: Zettle Metal Light Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Magna 260 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43,2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64,8 km/h (86,4 km/h)
Jump Jets: Odin's Own 34z
    Jump Capacity: 90 meters
Armor: Riese-500 Standard Armor w/ CASE
Armament:
    1 Defiance Industries/Defiance 'Mech Hunter Autocannon/20
    2 TharHes Industries/Intek Medium Lasers
    4 Coventry Metal Works/Coventry Five-Tube LRM-5s
Manufacturer: TharHes Industries
    Primary Factory: Tharkad
Communications System: Garret T11-b
Targeting and Tracking System: Garret A6

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   104 points                3,50
    Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 CT, 3 RT, 5 LA, 3 RA, 1 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             260                       7,00
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6 (8)
    Jumping MP: 3 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LL, 1 RL                                   3,00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0,00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3,00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3,00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 192                 12,00
    CASE Locations: 1 RT                                                   0,50

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           33        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     15           24        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20        
                                             L/R Leg     15           21        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Autocannon/20                                LT/LA     7         9/1      14,00
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1,00
2 LRM-5s                                     RA        4         2         4,00
MASC                                         RA        -         3         3,00
Medium Laser                                 LA        3         1         1,00
2 LRM-5s                                     LA        4         2         4,00
@LRM-5 (48)                                  RT        -         2         2,00
@AC/20 (15)                                  RT        -         3         3,00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 1

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 16
5/2j       4       5       2       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, AC 2/2/0, LRM 1/1/1, IF 1

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Crusader CRD-4X2

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Production Year: 3052
Dry Cost: 12 743 060 C-Bills
Total Cost: 12 863 060 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2 006

Chassis: Zettle Metal Light Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Magna 260 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 43,2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64,8 km/h (86,4 km/h)
Jump Jets: Odin's Own 34z
    Jump Capacity: 90 meters
Armor: Riese-500 Standard Armor w/ CASE
Armament:
    1 Defiance Industries/Poland Main Model A Gauss Rifle
    2 TharHes Industries/Intek Medium Lasers
    4 Coventry Metal Works/Coventry Five-Tube LRM-5s
Manufacturer: TharHes Indusries
    Primary Factory: Tharkad
Communications System: Garret T11-b
Targeting and Tracking System: Garret A6

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   104 points                3,50
    Internal Locations: 1 HD, 1 CT, 2 RT, 4 LA, 4 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             260                       7,00
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6 (8)
    Jumping MP: 3 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 1 CT, 1 LL, 1 RL                                   3,00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0,00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3,00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3,00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 192                 12,00
    CASE Locations: 1 RT                                                   0,50

                                                      Internal       Armor      
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           33        
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     15           24        
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     10           20        
                                             L/R Leg     15           21        

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MASC                                         RT        -         3         3,00
Gauss Rifle                                  LT        1         7        15,00
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1,00
2 LRM-5s                                     RA        4         2         4,00
Medium Laser                                 LA        3         1         1,00
2 LRM-5s                                     LA        4         2         4,00
@LRM-5 (48)                                  RT        -         2         2,00
@Gauss Rifle (8)                             RT        -         1         1,00
@Gauss Rifle (16)                            LT        -         2         2,00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 2

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 20
5/2j       3       4       3       0      3     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, LRM 1/1/1, IF 1

Takiro · « **Reply #40 on:** April 22, 2021, 07:53:09 PM »

Interesting stuff as always Ice!

Twenty eight hours left to go in this contest folks.

Takiro · « **Reply #41 on:** April 23, 2021, 11:36:16 AM »

Just about twelve hours left to go!

Takiro · « **Reply #42 on:** April 23, 2021, 08:54:51 PM »

Three hours!

Takiro · « **Reply #43 on:** April 24, 2021, 05:10:39 AM »

Ok folks, that concludes another contest. No more entries please. Thanks for your participation!

Ice Hellion · « **Reply #44 on:** April 25, 2021, 01:28:46 AM »

Quote from: Takiro on April 22, 2021, 07:53:09 PM

Interesting stuff as always Ice!

Twenty eight hours left to go in this contest folks.

You got the ancestors of the CRD-8S.
For once that I go Steiner

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